Re: Re: soy lecithin/soybean oil is safe for hypos or not

http://www.lowcarbfriends.com/bbs/main-lowcarb-lobby/285471-there-lc-bread-witho\

Subject: Re: soy lecithin/soybean oil is safe for hypos or not

Just being devil's advocate here Fragrance ...if whole grains form a regular

part of your diet, you might find that giving them a miss would give you more

energy? Carbs can be very energy sapping.

Trish

>

> Yes, there are lots of products which contain " traces of soy " . And my

> favourite brand of whole grain bread is also included. And I can hardly

> give it up cause their propotion of nutrients is so perfect even with

> Omegas, different vitamins and fibers. And it is processed food! If I'd

> like to have whole grain food and avoid soy completely, I'll have to buy

> the whole grain of raw materials and cook them myself. As a hypo with

> limited energy, I am too lazy to do such a thing. ( I am even lazy with

> basal temp follow-ups.)

December 28, 2009

Some info; Re: Soy free and Gluten free.

ut-soy.html

http://soyallergy.bibleclue.com/soyfreefood.html

http://www.sixfoodintolerance.com/2009/10/unsafe-soy-free-food-list-unsafe.html

Roni

<>Just because something

isn't seen doesn't mean it's

not there<>

From: fragrance_seen <fragrance_seen@...>

Subject: Re: soy lecithin/soybean oil is safe for hypos or not

Date: Sunday, December 27, 2009, 11:40 PM

Thanks, Chuck.

You know, yes, as said, there are lots of products which contain

" traces of soy " . And my favourite brand of whole grain bread is also

included. And I can hardly give it up cause their propotion of nutrients

is so perfect even with Omegas, different vitamins and fibers. Yes, it

is processed food. If I'd like to have whole grain food and avoid soy

completely, I'll have to buy the whole grain of raw materials and cook

them myself.

Fragrance

December 29, 2009

That's exactly right, and that's the reason a low or no carb diet works. The

body takes the stored fat first when it doesn't have new carbs to turn into

energy and turns the fat into the energy it needs. Of course if someone goes too

far, and diets to the point of not enough stored fat left in the body then it

will start using protein and lastly muscle. By the way, it's important to take a

high dose multivitamin pill every day when you are on a diet.

Roni

<>Just because something

isn't seen doesn't mean it's

not there<>

From: <res075oh@...>

Subject: Re: soy lecithin/soybean oil is safe for hypos or not

Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 10:02 AM

Actually my previous post is inaccurate or misleading; sorry. While you

can't live without carbohydrates you can live without _eating_ them; as

your body can break down proteins [and fats?] into carbs.

Regards,

..

>

> Posted by: " Trish " fielddot@...

>

<mailto:fielddot@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20soy%20lecithin%2Fsoybean%20oil%\

20is%20safe%20for%20hypos%20or%20not>

> trishruk <trishruk>

>

> Mon Dec 28, 2009 2:58 am (PST)

>

> Just being devil's advocate here Fragrance ...if whole grains form a

> regular part of your diet, you might find that giving them a miss

> would give you more energy? Carbs can be very energy sapping.

>

> Trish

>

------------------------------------

December 29, 2009

as long as you don't cut out complex carbs and Only cut out simple carbs.

Cutting out complex/high energy carbs is dangerous and harmful if you want a

health body. complex carbs provide many vitamins and minerals and fiber and

energy for your Brain. your Brain functions off of glucose.

simple carbs are junk foods and refined products.

nancie

From: Roni Molin

Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 11:22 AM

Subject: Re: Re: soy lecithin/soybean oil is safe for hypos or

not

That's exactly right, and that's the reason a low or no carb diet works. The

body takes the stored fat first when it doesn't have new carbs to turn into

energy and turns the fat into the energy it needs. Of course if someone goes too

far, and diets to the point of not enough stored fat left in the body then it

will start using protein and lastly muscle. By the way, it's important to take a

high dose multivitamin pill every day when you are on a diet.

Roni

<>Just because something

isn't seen doesn't mean it's

not there<>

From: <res075oh@...>

Subject: Re: soy lecithin/soybean oil is safe for hypos or not

Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 10:02 AM

Actually my previous post is inaccurate or misleading; sorry. While you

can't live without carbohydrates you can live without _eating_ them; as

your body can break down proteins [and fats?] into carbs.

Regards,

..

>

> Posted by: " Trish " fielddot@...

>

<mailto:fielddot@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20soy%20lecithin%2Fsoybean%20oil%20i\

s%20safe%20for%20hypos%20or%20not>

> trishruk <trishruk>

>

> Mon Dec 28, 2009 2:58 am (PST)

>

> Just being devil's advocate here Fragrance ...if whole grains form a

> regular part of your diet, you might find that giving them a miss

> would give you more energy? Carbs can be very energy sapping.

>

> Trish

>

------------------------------------

December 29, 2009

-

sorry but you are incorrect. you can't live without Complex Carbs which are

whole grains; veggies and fruits. these foods provide much needed minerals,

vitamins and fiber.

What you can live without is Simple or refined carbs aka junk foods aka refined

processed carbs.

From:

Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 10:02 AM

Subject: Re: soy lecithin/soybean oil is safe for hypos or not

Actually my previous post is inaccurate or misleading; sorry. While you

can't live without carbohydrates you can live without _eating_ them; as

your body can break down proteins [and fats?] into carbs.

Regards,

..

>

> Posted by: " Trish " fielddot@...

>

<mailto:fielddot@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20soy%20lecithin%2Fsoybean%20oil%20i\

s%20safe%20for%20hypos%20or%20not>

> trishruk <trishruk>

>

> Mon Dec 28, 2009 2:58 am (PST)

>

> Just being devil's advocate here Fragrance ...if whole grains form a

> regular part of your diet, you might find that giving them a miss

> would give you more energy? Carbs can be very energy sapping.

>

> Trish

>

December 29, 2009

That's correct. However, starting with essentially no carbs for a week or two to

rid your body of the excess carbs that were being taken in will not harm

someone. Even then, green salads and veggies are o.k. to be eaten. After that

whole grains can be added a little at a time back into the diet so as not to

overwhelm the body with carbs again. Of course on

maintenance, by that time a person knows how many carbs they can eat without

gaining weight..

Roni

<>Just because something

isn't seen doesn't mean it's

not there<>

From: <res075oh@...>

Subject: Re: soy lecithin/soybean oil is safe for hypos or not

Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 10:02 AM

Actually my previous post is inaccurate or misleading; sorry. While you

can't live without carbohydrates you can live without _eating_ them; as

your body can break down proteins [and fats?] into carbs.

Regards,

..

>

> Posted by: " Trish " fielddot@...

>

<mailto:fielddot@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20soy%20lecithin%2Fsoybean%20oil%\

20is%20safe%20for%20hypos%20or%20not>

> trishruk <trishruk>

>

> Mon Dec 28, 2009 2:58 am (PST)

>

> Just being devil's advocate here Fragrance ...if whole grains form a

> regular part of your diet, you might find that giving them a miss

> would give you more energy? Carbs can be very energy sapping.

>

> Trish

>

------------------------------------

December 29, 2009

Nancie, I have to disagree with your adding fruit into what you just posted.

Fruit is fructose, and it metabolizes pretty quickly. Berries are fine,

cantaloupe is good and doesn't have too many carbs, etc. There are other fruits

that metabolize slower.

There is a hypoglycemic index pamphlet with the carb count of foods and how fast

they

metabolize. For someone wanting to go on a diet, it's a handy thing to have.

Roni

<>Just because something

isn't seen doesn't mean it's

not there<>

From: nancie barnett <deifspirit@...>

Subject: Re: Re: soy lecithin/soybean oil is safe for hypos or

not

Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 11:47 AM

-

sorry but you are incorrect. you can't live without Complex Carbs which are

whole grains; veggies and fruits. these foods provide much needed minerals,

vitamins and fiber.

What you can live without is Simple or refined carbs aka junk foods aka refined

processed carbs.

From:

Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 10:02 AM

Subject: Re: soy lecithin/soybean oil is safe for hypos or not

Actually my previous post is inaccurate or misleading; sorry. While you

can't live without carbohydrates you can live without _eating_ them; as

your body can break down proteins [and fats?] into carbs.

Regards,

..

>

> Posted by: " Trish " fielddot@...

>

<mailto:fielddot@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20soy%20lecithin%2Fsoybean%20oil%20i\

s%20safe%20for%20hypos%20or%20not>

> trishruk <trishruk>

>

> Mon Dec 28, 2009 2:58 am (PST)

>

> Just being devil's advocate here Fragrance ...if whole grains form a

> regular part of your diet, you might find that giving them a miss

> would give you more energy? Carbs can be very energy sapping.

>

> Trish

>

December 30, 2009

berries and melon are fruit.

From: Roni Molin

Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 2:42 PM

Subject: Re: Re: soy lecithin/soybean oil is safe for hypos or

not

Nancie, I have to disagree with your adding fruit into what you just posted.

Fruit is fructose, and it metabolizes pretty quickly. Berries are fine,

cantaloupe is good and doesn't have too many carbs, etc. There are other fruits

that metabolize slower.

There is a hypoglycemic index pamphlet with the carb count of foods and how fast

they

metabolize. For someone wanting to go on a diet, it's a handy thing to have.

Roni

<>Just because something

isn't seen doesn't mean it's

not there<>

From: nancie barnett <deifspirit@...>

Subject: Re: Re: soy lecithin/soybean oil is safe for hypos or

not

Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 11:47 AM

-

sorry but you are incorrect. you can't live without Complex Carbs which are

whole grains; veggies and fruits. these foods provide much needed minerals,

vitamins and fiber.

What you can live without is Simple or refined carbs aka junk foods aka refined

processed carbs.

From:

Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 10:02 AM

Subject: Re: soy lecithin/soybean oil is safe for hypos or not

Actually my previous post is inaccurate or misleading; sorry. While you

can't live without carbohydrates you can live without _eating_ them; as

your body can break down proteins [and fats?] into carbs.

Regards,

..

>

> Posted by: " Trish " fielddot@...

>

<mailto:fielddot@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20soy%20lecithin%2Fsoybean%20oil%20i\

s%20safe%20for%20hypos%20or%20not>

> trishruk <trishruk>

>

> Mon Dec 28, 2009 2:58 am (PST)

>

> Just being devil's advocate here Fragrance ...if whole grains form a

> regular part of your diet, you might find that giving them a miss

> would give you more energy? Carbs can be very energy sapping.

>

> Trish

>

December 30, 2009

I have to disagree with you, roni. From a medical provider's perspective and

from someone who has worked professionally and personally with a medical

nutritionist, a diet that doesn't include complex carbs is not a healthy diet. A

healthy diet includes all the food grps, whx included complex carbs, veggies and

fruit. the key is Moderation. Any fruit can be eaten in moderation as with any

veggie and any whole grain [ allergies aside].

From: Roni Molin

Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 2:39 PM

Subject: Re: Re: soy lecithin/soybean oil is safe for hypos or

not

That's correct. However, starting with essentially no carbs for a week or two to

rid your body of the excess carbs that were being taken in will not harm

someone. Even then, green salads and veggies are o.k. to be eaten. After that

whole grains can be added a little at a time back into the diet so as not to

overwhelm the body with carbs again. Of course on

maintenance, by that time a person knows how many carbs they can eat without

gaining weight..

Roni

<>Just because something

isn't seen doesn't mean it's

not there<>

From: <res075oh@...>

Subject: Re: soy lecithin/soybean oil is safe for hypos or not

http://recipes.howstuffworks.com/food2.htm

Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 10:02 AM

Actually my previous post is inaccurate or misleading; sorry. While you

can't live without carbohydrates you can live without _eating_ them; as

your body can break down proteins [and fats?] into carbs.

Regards,

..

>

> Posted by: " Trish " fielddot@...

>

<mailto:fielddot@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20soy%20lecithin%2Fsoybean%20oil%20i\

s%20safe%20for%20hypos%20or%20not>

> trishruk <trishruk>

>

> Mon Dec 28, 2009 2:58 am (PST)

>

> Just being devil's advocate here Fragrance ...if whole grains form a

> regular part of your diet, you might find that giving them a miss

> would give you more energy? Carbs can be very energy sapping.

>

> Trish

>

------------------------------------

December 30, 2009

LOL, yes I know, but the point is that their glycemic index value is much lower

than some other types of fruit. I'm hypoglycemic and my husband was a diabetic,

but essentially we had to eat the same way, and keep the simple sugars down.

Fructose (fruit sugar is a

simple suger.

Roni

<>Just because something

isn't seen doesn't mean it's

not there<>

From: nancie barnett <deifspirit@...>

Subject: Re: Re: soy lecithin/soybean oil is safe for hypos or

not

Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 11:47 AM

-

sorry but you are incorrect. you can't live without Complex Carbs which are

whole grains; veggies and fruits. these foods provide much needed minerals,

vitamins and fiber.

What you can live without is Simple or refined carbs aka junk foods aka refined

processed carbs.

From:

Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 10:02 AM

Subject: Re: soy lecithin/soybean oil is safe for hypos or not

Actually my previous post is inaccurate or misleading; sorry. While you

can't live without carbohydrates you can live without _eating_ them; as

your body can break down proteins [and fats?] into carbs.

Regards,

..

>

> Posted by: " Trish " fielddot@...

>

<mailto:fielddot@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20soy%20lecithin%2Fsoybean%20oil%20i\

s%20safe%20for%20hypos%20or%20not>

> trishruk <trishruk>

>

> Mon Dec 28, 2009 2:58 am (PST)

>

> Just being devil's advocate here Fragrance ...if whole grains form a

> regular part of your diet, you might find that giving them a miss

> would give you more energy? Carbs can be very energy sapping.

>

> Trish

>

December 30, 2009

Even with the low carb plans you only exclude fruits for a short period.

They encourage you to get carbs from fruit and veggies.

CW

-- Re: soy lecithin/soybean oil is safe for hypos or

not

http://www.briancalkins.com/simplevscomplexcarb.htm

Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 10:02 AM

Actually my previous post is inaccurate or misleading; sorry. While you

can't live without carbohydrates you can live without _eating_ them; as

your body can break down proteins [and fats?] into carbs.

Regards,

..

>

> Posted by: " Trish " fielddot@...

> <mailto:fielddot@gmail

com?Subject=%20Re%3A%20soy%20lecithin%2Fsoybean%20oil%20is%20safe%20for%20hyp

s%20or%20not>

> trishruk <trishruk>

>

> Mon Dec 28, 2009 2:58 am (PST)

>

> Just being devil's advocate here Fragrance ...if whole grains form a

> regular part of your diet, you might find that giving them a miss

> would give you more energy? Carbs can be very energy sapping.

>

> Trish

>

------------------------------------

December 30, 2009

Nancie, I agree with you except for the fact that fruit is not a complex carb.

It is a simple carb.

Roni

<>Just because something

isn't seen doesn't mean it's

not there<>

From: <res075oh@...>

Subject: Re: soy lecithin/soybean oil is safe for hypos or not

http://www.realfoodnutrients.com/db/Carbs/carbcounter.htm

Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 10:02 AM

Actually my previous post is inaccurate or misleading; sorry. While you

can't live without carbohydrates you can live without _eating_ them; as

your body can break down proteins [and fats?] into carbs.

Regards,

..

>

> Posted by: " Trish " fielddot@...

>

<mailto:fielddot@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20soy%20lecithin%2Fsoybean%20oil%\

20is%20safe%20for%20hypos%20or%20not>

> trishruk <trishruk>

>

> Mon Dec 28, 2009 2:58 am (PST)

>

> Just being devil's advocate here Fragrance ...if whole grains form a

> regular part of your diet, you might find that giving them a miss

> would give you more energy? Carbs can be very energy sapping.

>

> Trish

>

------------------------------------

December 30, 2009

Yes, carbs from fruit and vegetables are not created equal and you have to be

careful which ones you choose.

There are pamplet books that can be carried around with you (they're small) to

help make the best choices if you are hypoglycemic, diabetic or just trying to

cut down on carbs to lose weight.

Roni

<>Just because something

isn't seen doesn't mean it's

not there<>

From: <res075oh@...>

Subject: Re: soy lecithin/soybean oil is safe for hypos or

not

Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 10:02 AM

Actually my previous post is inaccurate or misleading; sorry. While you

can't live without carbohydrates you can live without _eating_ them; as

your body can break down proteins [and fats?] into carbs.

Regards,

..

>

> Posted by: " Trish " fielddot@...

> <mailto:fielddot@gmail

com?Subject=%20Re%3A%20soy%20lecithin%2Fsoybean%20oil%20is%20safe%20for%20hyp

s%20or%20not>

> trishruk <trishruk>

>

> Mon Dec 28, 2009 2:58 am (PST)

>

> Just being devil's advocate here Fragrance ...if whole grains form a

> regular part of your diet, you might find that giving them a miss

> would give you more energy? Carbs can be very energy sapping.

>

> Trish

>

------------------------------------

December 30, 2009

yes fructose is a simple sugar but it breaks down to glucose. I think we are

splitting hairs here. My father was a IDDM aka insulin dependant diabetic and he

was able to eat all kinds of fruits in moderation. I have many diabetics in my

practice and they all can eat all kinds of fruit in moderation, even watermelon.

[ whx has the highest sugar content ratio in it}

The treatment of diabetes has evolved and so has their diets and the type of

foods they are allowed to eat.

From: Roni Molin

Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 7:10 PM

http://recipes.howstuffworks.com/food2.htm

Subject: Re: Re: soy lecithin/soybean oil is safe for hypos or

not

LOL, yes I know, but the point is that their glycemic index value is much lower

than some other types of fruit. I'm hypoglycemic and my husband was a diabetic,

but essentially we had to eat the same way, and keep the simple sugars down.

Fructose (fruit sugar is a

simple suger.

Roni

<>Just because something

isn't seen doesn't mean it's

not there<>

From: nancie barnett <deifspirit@...>

Subject: Re: Re: soy lecithin/soybean oil is safe for hypos or

not

Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 11:47 AM

-

sorry but you are incorrect. you can't live without Complex Carbs which are

whole grains; veggies and fruits. these foods provide much needed minerals,

vitamins and fiber.

What you can live without is Simple or refined carbs aka junk foods aka refined

processed carbs.

From:

Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 10:02 AM

Subject: Re: soy lecithin/soybean oil is safe for hypos or not

Actually my previous post is inaccurate or misleading; sorry. While you

can't live without carbohydrates you can live without _eating_ them; as

your body can break down proteins [and fats?] into carbs.

Regards,

..

>

> Posted by: " Trish " fielddot@...

>

<mailto:fielddot@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20soy%20lecithin%2Fsoybean%20oil%20i\

s%20safe%20for%20hypos%20or%20not>

> trishruk <trishruk>

>

> Mon Dec 28, 2009 2:58 am (PST)

>

> Just being devil's advocate here Fragrance ...if whole grains form a

> regular part of your diet, you might find that giving them a miss

> would give you more energy? Carbs can be very energy sapping.

>

> Trish

>

December 30, 2009

as long as it is not for an extended period of time, although I personally

disagree with the notion of low carb diets and so does my partners in practice.

there are many journal articles that have been published that show that low carb

diets are not healthy. so that is bias.

From: Crystal

Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 7:13 PM

Subject: Re: Re: soy lecithin/soybean oil is safe for hypos or

not

Even with the low carb plans you only exclude fruits for a short period.

They encourage you to get carbs from fruit and veggies.

CW

-- Re: soy lecithin/soybean oil is safe for hypos or

not

Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 10:02 AM

Actually my previous post is inaccurate or misleading; sorry. While you

can't live without carbohydrates you can live without _eating_ them; as

your body can break down proteins [and fats?] into carbs.

Regards,

..

>

> Posted by: " Trish " fielddot@...

> <mailto:fielddot@gmail

com?Subject=%20Re%3A%20soy%20lecithin%2Fsoybean%20oil%20is%20safe%20for%20hyp

s%20or%20not>

> trishruk <trishruk>

>

> Mon Dec 28, 2009 2:58 am (PST)

>

> Just being devil's advocate here Fragrance ...if whole grains form a

> regular part of your diet, you might find that giving them a miss

> would give you more energy? Carbs can be very energy sapping.

>

> Trish

>

------------------------------------

December 30, 2009

First of all I just read that article and it did not say fruit was a simple

carb. all it mentioned was Fruit Juice, which is Not the same as a piece of

fruit.

This is what I was taught by a Medical Nutritionist who happens to have a PhD

in nutrition. Why should I question her. she knows more about this than I do. I

took nutrition in graduate school but not to the extent then she did..

so I guess we shall have to respectfully agree to disagree.

From: Roni Molin

Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 7:15 PM

http://www.briancalkins.com/simplevscomplexcarb.htm

Subject: Re: Re: soy lecithin/soybean oil is safe for hypos or

not

Nancie, I agree with you except for the fact that fruit is not a complex carb.

It is a simple carb.

Roni

<>Just because something

isn't seen doesn't mean it's

not there<>

From: <res075oh@...>

Subject: Re: soy lecithin/soybean oil is safe for hypos or not

Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 10:02 AM

Actually my previous post is inaccurate or misleading; sorry. While you

can't live without carbohydrates you can live without _eating_ them; as

your body can break down proteins [and fats?] into carbs.

Regards,

..

>

> Posted by: " Trish " fielddot@...

>

<mailto:fielddot@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20soy%20lecithin%2Fsoybean%20oil%20i\

s%20safe%20for%20hypos%20or%20not>

> trishruk <trishruk>

>

> Mon Dec 28, 2009 2:58 am (PST)

>

> Just being devil's advocate here Fragrance ...if whole grains form a

> regular part of your diet, you might find that giving them a miss

> would give you more energy? Carbs can be very energy sapping.

>

> Trish

>

------------------------------------

December 30, 2009

ooops should read that is my bias....

From: nancie barnett

Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 7:37 PM

Subject: Re: Re: soy lecithin/soybean oil is safe for hypos or

not

as long as it is not for an extended period of time, although I personally

disagree with the notion of low carb diets and so does my partners in practice.

there are many journal articles that have been published that show that low carb

diets are not healthy. so that is bias.

From: Crystal

Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 7:13 PM

Subject: Re: Re: soy lecithin/soybean oil is safe for hypos or

not

Even with the low carb plans you only exclude fruits for a short period.

They encourage you to get carbs from fruit and veggies.

CW

-- Re: soy lecithin/soybean oil is safe for hypos or

not

Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 10:02 AM

Actually my previous post is inaccurate or misleading; sorry. While you

can't live without carbohydrates you can live without _eating_ them; as

your body can break down proteins [and fats?] into carbs.

Regards,

..

>

> Posted by: " Trish " fielddot@...

> <mailto:fielddot@gmail

com?Subject=%20Re%3A%20soy%20lecithin%2Fsoybean%20oil%20is%20safe%20for%20hyp

s%20or%20not>

> trishruk <trishruk>

>

> Mon Dec 28, 2009 2:58 am (PST)

>

> Just being devil's advocate here Fragrance ...if whole grains form a

> regular part of your diet, you might find that giving them a miss

> would give you more energy? Carbs can be very energy sapping.

>

> Trish

>

------------------------------------

December 30, 2009

I have a problem with that site because they are trying to sell you their

product. so, for me that is a Red Flag and yet another site to be suspicious of.

Not all medical providers are equal. those that try to see you a product while

touting their beliefs are highly suspicious, IMHO

From: Roni Molin

Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 7:22 PM

http://www.realfoodnutrients.com/db/Carbs/carbcounter.htm

Subject: Re: Re: soy lecithin/soybean oil is safe for hypos or

not

Yes, carbs from fruit and vegetables are not created equal and you have to be

careful which ones you choose.

There are pamplet books that can be carried around with you (they're small) to

help make the best choices if you are hypoglycemic, diabetic or just trying to

cut down on carbs to lose weight.

Roni

<>Just because something

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not there<>

From: <res075oh@...>

Subject: Re: soy lecithin/soybean oil is safe for hypos or

not

Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 10:02 AM

Actually my previous post is inaccurate or misleading; sorry. While you

can't live without carbohydrates you can live without _eating_ them; as

your body can break down proteins [and fats?] into carbs.

Regards,

..

>

> Posted by: " Trish " fielddot@...

> <mailto:fielddot@gmail

com?Subject=%20Re%3A%20soy%20lecithin%2Fsoybean%20oil%20is%20safe%20for%20hyp

s%20or%20not>

> trishruk <trishruk>

>

> Mon Dec 28, 2009 2:58 am (PST)

>

> Just being devil's advocate here Fragrance ...if whole grains form a

> regular part of your diet, you might find that giving them a miss

> would give you more energy? Carbs can be very energy sapping.

>

> Trish

>

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December 30, 2009

The primary studies I've seen that claimed to be studying low carb and

came up with negative results switched carbs for fats where much of the

fats selected were trans fats (partially hydrogenated fats) a serious

compounding factor that rendered the entire study useless.

A paleo diet, generally considered low carb, has however from 20 to 40

percent of calories from carbs on average year around with a fiber

content 3-4 times greater than an identical quantity of what one might

buy at the local farmer's market. Paleo man also didn't eat grain fed

beef and loved the brain and marrow, very rich sources of good omega3s

and saturated fats.

The issue of fructose is generally that paleo man got much more of it in

the late summer and fall when they needed to fatten up to survive the

winter and genetically adapted to prefer it. Today's access to very

very high fructose products and the natural genetices that prefers this

has defeated normal evolutionary adaptions. Additionally, hybridization

and breeding of fruits have produced sweeter and larger varieties so

EVEN if one eats fruit in moderation and in season, they will get much

more fructose than they should naturally get.

Finally, doctors and even a nutritionists are the LAST place I would go

for diet advice, the last place. Doctors know almost zilch about

nutrition/diet and nutritionists are so filled with corporate sponsored

propaganda that their advice is completely useless. The food pyramid is

a corporate exercise in lobbying and influence peddling.

Steve

On 12/29/2009 8:37 PM, nancie barnett wrote:

> as long as it is not for an extended period of time, although I personally

disagree with the notion of low carb diets and so does my partners in practice.

there are many journal articles that have been published that show that low carb

diets are not healthy. so that is bias.

>

> From: Crystal

> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 7:13 PM

> Subject: Re: Re: soy lecithin/soybean oil is safe for hypos

or not

>

> Even with the low carb plans you only exclude fruits for a short period.

> They encourage you to get carbs from fruit and veggies.

> CW

>

> -- Re: soy lecithin/soybean oil is safe for hypos or

> not

> Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 10:02 AM

>

> Actually my previous post is inaccurate or misleading; sorry. While you

> can't live without carbohydrates you can live without _eating_ them; as

> your body can break down proteins [and fats?] into carbs.

>

> Regards,

>

> .

>

>>

>> Posted by: " Trish " fielddot@...

>> <mailto:fielddot@gmail

> com?Subject=%20Re%3A%20soy%20lecithin%2Fsoybean%20oil%20is%20safe%20for%20hyp

> s%20or%20not>

>> trishruk<trishruk>

>>

>> Mon Dec 28, 2009 2:58 am (PST)

>>

>> Just being devil's advocate here Fragrance ...if whole grains form a

>> regular part of your diet, you might find that giving them a miss

>> would give you more energy? Carbs can be very energy sapping.

>>

>> Trish

>

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> http://www.briancalkins.com/simplevscomplexcarb.htm

December 30, 2009

Processed fruits is usually carb dense, but natural unprocessed fruit is

much lower in carbs on a per gram basis (by weight). Fresh raw fruit

(not dried or processed) is a complex carb AND is generally not very

high in fructose on a per gram basis.

Search http://www.nutritiondata.com/ for the top foods with fructose.

Steve

On 12/29/2009 8:15 PM, Roni Molin wrote:

> Nancie, I agree with you except for the fact that fruit is not a complex carb.

It is a simple carb.

>

>

> Roni

> <>Just because something

> isn't seen doesn't mean it's

> not there<>

>

> From: <res075oh@...>

> Subject: Re: soy lecithin/soybean oil is safe for hypos or

not

> Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 10:02 AM

>

> Actually my previous post is inaccurate or misleading; sorry. While you

> can't live without carbohydrates you can live without _eating_ them; as

> your body can break down proteins [and fats?] into carbs.

>

> Regards,

>

--

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December 30, 2009

Just for the record, I question everyone, everything, and every

assumption. There are no gods in the medical profession regardless of

their self perception.

The scientefic " elite " use to " know " the world was flat, that blood

letting was an acceptable cure for a lot of illnesses, that people of

color were a lessor race(s), etc. There's no reason to think that

moderen elites are not still filled with lots of similar foolishness.

The nutritional " truth " of 50 years ago is no doubt just as different as

the nutritional " truth " will be 50 years from now.

I never accept the " appeal to authority " argument.

Steve

On 12/29/2009 8:53 PM, nancie barnett wrote:

> First of all I just read that article and it did not say fruit was a simple

carb. all it mentioned was Fruit Juice, which is Not the same as a piece of

fruit.

> This is what I was taught by a Medical Nutritionist who happens to have a

PhD in nutrition. Why should I question her. she knows more about this than I

do. I took nutrition in graduate school but not to the extent then she did..

> so I guess we shall have to respectfully agree to disagree.

>

> From: Roni Molin

> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 7:15 PM

> http://www.briancalkins.com/simplevscomplexcarb.htm

> Subject: Re: Re: soy lecithin/soybean oil is safe for hypos

or not

>

> Nancie, I agree with you except for the fact that fruit is not a complex carb.

It is a simple carb.

>

>

> Roni

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December 30, 2009

If one stops eating carbs cold turkey, the liver will deliver glycogen

to compensate as it does between means. However, once the sugar runs

out, the body will start processing fats and go into ketosis. The brain

works perfectly well in ketosis, in fact I believe it works better.

There are a couple of benefits to ketosis and I think that paleo man

live in ketosis part of every year. One is that while ketosis is less

efficient at using the calories in fat, the energy that is extracted

takes less oxygen within the metabolism process resulting in lower

exhales of Co2 and higher tissue oxygen saturation, a very positive

thing. Additionally, after one cuts back on carbs, insulin levels in

the blood start dropping and once they get below a certain threshold and

stay there, hunger generally goes away. People that go on a very

low-carb or no carb diet can we go through a period of feeling bad,

sometimes cloudy thinking, and generally symptoms of withdrawal. Once

that is past energy levels become significant and thinking becomes

clearer. I've seen this result reported over and over again from people

that start up a paleolithic diet with an emphasis towards the low-carb.

The shakeout period with withdrawal symptoms going from high carb

low-carb takes several days to two weeks.

The body can indeed convert protein to glucose so that if one goes on a

low carb diet, they need to replace carbs with fats or they may miss

some of the benefits of low carb. Eating too much protein will increase

glucose levels but the rise is much slower than consuming carbs.

Steve

On 12/29/2009 10:01 PM, wrote:

> Carbs are not energy sapping; in fact they are the main source of the

> major fuel for your body. Trying to operate your brain without carbs is

> like trying to run your automobile without fuel: You're not really

> going to get anywhere. We have to have carbs; what we need to do is to

> limit the simple carbs and increase complex carbs for most of us. Whole

> grains have both complex and simple carbs IIRC, but the ratio is higher

> than with many processed carbs. A slice of white bread isn't really

> good for you unless you're starving.

>

> Our bodies can convert protein to carbs if necessary; I don't know about

> fats but I suspect the same. If you don't eat carbs your body will make

> them. If you're starving I think your body will break down your muscles

> to keep your body alive; eating itself so to speak. Although I suspect

> the fat would go first.

>

> There's lots of info on the internet. Here's a quote from a Google search:

> .

>>

>> *What is the *Purpose* of *Carbohydrates*?** *

>>

>> *Carbohydrates* are the main source of blood glucose, which is a

>> major fuel for all of the body's cells and the only source of energy

>> for the brain, nervous system and red blood cells.

>>

>> *What are the benefits of *Carbohydrates*?*

>>

>> * They protect your muscles and* *assist in optimum brain function.

>>

>> * They regulate the amount of sugar circulating in your *body*.

>>

>> * They provide nutrients for friendly bacteria in intestinal tract

>> that aid in digestion.

>>

>> * They assist in body's absorption of calcium.

>>

>> * They help in lowering cholesterol level and regulate blood pressure.

>>

> .

> Luck,

>

> PS: I may have sent this to the list before it was complete; if so

> sorry for the dup messages.

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> <http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbohydrate>

December 30, 2009

There is a very active zero carb email list on somewhere. I've

not joined it yet and have the actual list name squirreled away somewhere.

The wiki reference is without much merit I don't think. I don't think

one can go back 20,000 years in time and find paleo man eating pasta,

wheat, potatoes, rice, corn, etc.

The estimates for the carb content (including 146 grams of fiber a day)

of Australian aboriginal diets, which was paleo until about 150 years

ago, run between 20 and 40% max and included some 800+ types of foods.

Try going to the farmers markets and selecting even 10% of that count

over the course of a year.

Steve

On 12/29/2009 10:21 PM, wrote:

> Well, that's what I thought too; but then I ran into this quote on

> Wikipedia:

> .

> .

>>

>> Nutrition and foods

>>

>> In fact, human beings can live without eating foods with

>> carbohydrates. The human body changes protein into carbohydrates, and

>> so if a human being eats only food with protein, they can still live a

>> healthy life. People of some cultures eat food with very little

>> carbohydrates, but they still remain healthy. Still, carbohydrates are

>> the most common source of energy for the human body. Protein and fats

>> build tissue and cells in the body. Carbohydrates are better for

>> energy, so eating them allows more protein and fat to be used for

>> tissue and cell building.

>>

>> Researches in the United States and Canada have shown that people get

>> about 40% to 60% of energy from carbohydrates. However, studies

>> suggest that people should eat carbohydrates to get at least 55% to

>> 75% of energy from carbohydrates.

>>

>> Some foods have high carbohydrates in them. These foods include breads

>> <http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bread>, pastas, potatoes

>>

<http://simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Potatoe & action=edit & redlink=1>,

>> bran and cereals.

>>

> .

> I'm no expert so I don't know who is correct.

>

> Regards,

>

> .

>

>> Posted by: " nancie barnett " deifspirit@...

>>

<mailto:deifspirit@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20soy%20lecithin%2Fsoybean%20oil%20i\

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>> aspenfairy1<aspenfairy1>

>>

>> Tue Dec 29, 2009 11:47 am (PST)

>>

>> -

>> sorry but you are incorrect. you can't live without Complex Carbs

>> which are whole grains; veggies and fruits. these foods provide much

>> needed minerals, vitamins and fiber.

>> What you can live without is Simple or refined carbs aka junk foods

>> aka refined processed carbs.

>>

>> From:

>> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 10:02 AM

>> hypothyroidism

>> <mailto:hypothyroidism%40>

>> Subject: Re: soy lecithin/soybean oil is safe for

>> hypos or not

>>

>> Actually my previous post is inaccurate or misleading; sorry. While you

>> can't live without carbohydrates you can live without _eating_ them; as

>> your body can break down proteins [and fats?] into carbs.

>>

>> Regards,

>>

--

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December 30, 2009

you're correct. Our bodies actually turn carbs, fat, and protein into

glucose to be used for energy. Muscle comes after all else is used up. (i.e:

starvation). I know we need carbs as well as protein, fat and fiber for healthy

bodies. However, some people can't tolerate too many carbs and others overdo the

amount they take in. It's quite valuable healthwise to understand what carbs

actually are, and what they do for us.

Roni

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From: <res075oh@...>

Subject: Re: soy lecithin/soybean oil is safe for hypos or not

Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 9:01 PM

Carbs are not energy sapping; in fact they are the main source of the

major fuel for your body. Trying to operate your brain without carbs is

like trying to run your automobile without fuel: You're not really

going to get anywhere. We have to have carbs; what we need to do is to

limit the simple carbs and increase complex carbs for most of us. Whole

grains have both complex and simple carbs IIRC, but the ratio is higher

than with many processed carbs. A slice of white bread isn't really

good for you unless you're starving.

Our bodies can convert protein to carbs if necessary; I don't know about

fats but I suspect the same. If you don't eat carbs your body will make

them. If you're starving I think your body will break down your muscles

to keep your body alive; eating itself so to speak. Although I suspect

the fat would go first.

There's lots of info on the internet. Here's a quote from a Google search:

..

>

> *What is the *Purpose* of *Carbohydrates*?** *

>

> *Carbohydrates* are the main source of blood glucose, which is a

> major fuel for all of the body's cells and the only source of energy

> for the brain, nervous system and red blood cells.

>

> *What are the benefits of *Carbohydrates*?*

>

> * They protect your muscles and* *assist in optimum brain function.

>

> * They regulate the amount of sugar circulating in your *body*.

>

> * They provide nutrients for friendly bacteria in intestinal tract

> that aid in digestion.

>

> * They assist in body's absorption of calcium.

>

> * They help in lowering cholesterol level and regulate blood pressure.

>

..

Luck,

PS: I may have sent this to the list before it was complete; if so

sorry for the dup messages.

..

>

> Posted by: " Trish " fielddot@...

>

<mailto:fielddot@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20soy%20lecithin%2Fsoybean%20oil%\

20is%20safe%20for%20hypos%20or%20not>

> trishruk <trishruk>

>

> Mon Dec 28, 2009 2:58 am (PST)

>

> Just being devil's advocate here Fragrance ...if whole grains form a

> regular part of your diet, you might find that giving them a miss

> would give you more energy? Carbs can be very energy sapping.

>

> Trish

>

> >

> > Yes, there are lots of products which contain " traces of soy " . And my

> > favourite brand of whole grain bread is also included. And I can hardly

> > give it up cause their propotion of nutrients is so perfect even with

> > Omegas, different vitamins and fibers. And it is processed food! If I'd

> > like to have whole grain food and avoid soy completely, I'll have to buy

> > the whole grain of raw materials and cook them myself. As a hypo with

> > limited energy, I am too lazy to do such a thing. ( I am even lazy with

> > basal temp follow-ups.)

------------------------------------

December 30, 2009

It's amazing what can tweak our memories of learning. You are right on with the

paleo diet and how it has evolved with farming and food processing that goes on

today. I guess our bodies though don't read so they just eat sugar where they

find it, fruit, dairy, grains, veggies. The natural brakes on all of this are

gone and we need to use our mental brakes

to eat healthfully.

Roni

<>Just because something

isn't seen doesn't mean it's

not there<>

>

> From: <res075oh@...>

> Subject: Re: soy lecithin/soybean oil is safe for hypos or

> not

> Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 10:02 AM

>

> Actually my previous post is inaccurate or misleading; sorry. While you

> can't live without carbohydrates you can live without _eating_ them; as

> your body can break down proteins [and fats?] into carbs.

>

> Regards,

>

> .

>

>>

>> Posted by: " Trish " fielddot@...

>> <mailto:fielddot@gmail

> com?Subject=%20Re%3A%20soy%20lecithin%2Fsoybean%20oil%20is%20safe%20for%20hyp

> s%20or%20not>

>> trishruk<trishruk>

>>

>> Mon Dec 28, 2009 2:58 am (PST)

>>

>> Just being devil's advocate here Fragrance ...if whole grains form a

>> regular part of your diet, you might find that giving them a miss

>> would give you more energy? Carbs can be very energy sapping.

>>

>> Trish

>

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