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Re: PORK

> However, I believe the " antibody " issue has to do with something

> inherent in even fresh, lean pork. Just like how Type B's don't do

> well with chicken.

Forgive this question but is this " antibody " ingested or does it occur

naturally in pork. I love pork and have not been eating it since following

the " o " plan. It is marketed here in Canada as the other white meat. I

know it is much leaner than it used to be. Also pigs have a very bad

reputation for being, well, pigs, but the farmers here have put out

advertisements that it is now no worse than chicken and definitely leaner

than beef. Would there be different growing standards depending what

Country one is in?

Not to belabor this topic but just curious.

[Guest guest]

Interesting article. Makes you want to make sure that you buy organic pork.

>From: Tammrae <tammrae@...>

>Reply-egroups

>egroups

>Subject: RE: Pork

>Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 02:16:36 -0700

>

>I'm a B lurker on this list, married to an O. Regarding pork, not only

>is it an omnivorous animal and therefore loaded with toxins (you get

>more and more of them the further up the food chain you go...whatever

>they eat gets into their flesh within about 4 hours of consumption,

>whereas cattle and other herbivores take about 24 hours due to much

>longer digestion and removal of toxic wastes in the several stomachs)

>but many if not most U.S. farmers are now feeding weanling pigs the

>blood of their own kind (called Spray Dried Plasma Protein). This kind

>of thing got the English in trouble with Mad Cow disease, and the scary

>thing is that some U.S. ranchers are now feeding calves SDPP because it

>uses a waste byproduct to put quick flesh on weaned calves...can you say

>profit? No wonder Europe won't accept U.S. export meat. New Zealand does

>not permit SDPP to be fed to cattle, so my husband and I are trying to

>find a source of trustworthy beef from New Zealand. Personally, the

>thought of consuming the flesh of an animal that is being fed swine or

>bovine blood (the medium of disease) really horrifies me, especially

>swine, which are very close genetically to humans. There should be more

>controls on this experimentation, since we appear to be the guinea pigs.

>

>Tammrae

>

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Sure thing...for information on Spray Dried Plasma Protein, visit

http://www.americanprotein.com/discoveries/summer98/plasma.html

http://www.asas.uiuc.edu/midwestern/press/mofish.html

http://www.soymeal.org/worldlitarticles/veumtlandcoworkers1996.html

http://www.porkmag.com/nutr08.htm

http://www.ducoa.com/animalplasma.html

And here is what New Zealand (a country noted for higher and stricter

standards in agriculture than the U.S. displays)

has to say about the standards for importation of plasma feed products:

http://www.maf.govt.nz/AnimalIHS/ihs/fodplaic.usa.htm

We have friends there that raise cattle so I have asked them questions

as well...they tell us that while it is legal under strict rules to

import SDPP into New Zealand, it is illegal to sell an animal that has

eaten it. SDPP can only be fed to animals that are consumed by the

people who raise them (called " homekill " ).

For information on how omnivorous swine process flesh compared with

herbivores, I recommend the book GOD'S KEY TO HEALTH AND HAPPINESS by

Elmer A. phson (a book that demonstrates why the biblical laws

regarding food were healthy ones then and now).

Hope that helps!

Tammrae

Message: 11

Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 10:56:08 -0400

From: " r " <sparrow@...>

Subject: Re: RE: Pork

T,

you might want to post a source for your info. as someone might jump

down

your throat.

;.)

[Guest guest]

thanks, your answer finally makes some sense.

[Guest guest]

Jeez, guys, I am so sorry I asked the question about pork, it seems to have

caused alot of problems! Next time, I'll just figure it out for myself.

Thanks.

[Guest guest]

Thanks, I feel much better, and not quite so guilty. I still have not

started eating pork again. too far to the store that has the right kind!!

:-) Char

[Guest guest]

chi33663@... wrote:

> Jeez, guys, I am so sorry I asked the question about pork, it seems to have

> caused alot of problems! Next time, I'll just figure it out for myself.

> Thanks.

>

The problem wasn't your question :-)

And if you go figure it out for yourself we'll get bored with nothing to

talk about :-)

--

Steve - Cheltenham, UK

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In love and light we are

In darkness we are no less

[Guest guest]

Don't be sorry you asked a question. Sometimes it generates lively

discussion and most of the time it's handled politely. Don't let the actions

and opinions of one person (who has now been banned from the list) influence

your asking. It was obvious, at least to me, that EVERYTHING was something

to find fault with as far as this person was concerned. So keep asking, it's

how we all learn. And I think you'll find that most of us are very polite

people.

Tabitha

[Guest guest]

I make pork tenderloin roasts all the time.

Yumm!

Becky

> I noticed pork was on the authorized food list, with the exception

of

> lean ham. I looked up the nutritional stats, and it looks like

lean

> pork, like tenderloin would be ok. Not too high in calories or fat

> and has like 29 grams of protein per serving. What do you all

think?

>

> Jill

[Guest guest]

There is a pointed lack of pork in NT. I've heard that this was in deference to

Enig who

does not eat pork. I've also heard that is not true. At any rate, I find it

amusing that

virtually the most widespread traditional meat was, on the basis of either

politics or culture,

left out of a book that eschews diet dictocracy and PC nutrition.

There is clearly not a consistent bias against pork in NT however, because lard

is made from pork

by definition...and lard is practically sacred in NT.

--- Therese <rkissel@...> wrote:

> Since adding more meat to our diet, I am trying to also get a variety

> of meats. I bought some pork loins the other day at the Wedge and

> thought I'd see if there was a recipe in NT.

> I had never noticed before, but there is NO section on pork! Is there

> a reason for this? Does NT consider pork bad or something? Am I

> missing something?

>

> Therese

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Lard may be sacred in NT, but I had to search the WAP website to find a

recipe for lard pie crust! Mother came through.

Kathy

> > Since adding more meat to our diet, I am trying to also get a variety

> > of meats. I bought some pork loins the other day at the Wedge and

> > thought I'd see if there was a recipe in NT.

> > I had never noticed before, but there is NO section on pork! Is there

> > a reason for this? Does NT consider pork bad or something? Am I

> > missing something?

> >

> > Therese

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

In regard to pork, in NT, Sally talks about pork and the old testament laws

about it. She says some believe pork causes cancer and some believe that

only the meat causes cancer and not the lard. She, however, says that many

traditional societies used pork and were healthy. I know she herself eats

bacon, because when asked what she eats for breakfast when she goes out to

eat, she includes bacon with her eggs. Dr. Jordan Rubin wrote the book

" Patient Heal Thyself " . He writes about pork and other scavengers such as

shellfish. He says shellfish help purify the environment but they

themselves accumulate pathogens and other contaminants. Many caretakers of

ponds and other bodies of water know the best way to purify a freshwater

pond or lake is to throw loads of scallops in and wait a few days. The lake

will be purified and the scallops will float to the top. He says the same

is true of other scavengers. A study at Hopkins University was

conducted where they compared all the clean and unclean foods from the old

testament by making a culture and adding the meat of the food being tested.

Below 75% was considered toxic and above 75% was considered nontoxic.

According to this study, all the unclean foods from the old testament tested

toxic and all the clean foods tested nontoxic. This had me going for a

while and I wondered what to do about it. I then read Matt. 15:10-20. I am

a Christian so this seemed to be the answer for me. I believe Dr. Rubin is

Jewish. In Matt. Jesus says " It is not what goes into a person's mouth that

makes him RITUALLY unclean; rather what comes out of it makes him unclean "

I guess everybody has to make their own decisions on this matter. Maybe

that's why Sally did not write more about it.

pork

> Since adding more meat to our diet, I am trying to also get a variety

> of meats. I bought some pork loins the other day at the Wedge and

> thought I'd see if there was a recipe in NT.

> I had never noticed before, but there is NO section on pork! Is there

> a reason for this? Does NT consider pork bad or something? Am I

> missing something?

>

> Therese

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I am a christian, But I believe the old testament laws for clean and unclean

animals still stand and will not knowingly eat them. I don't think everyone

here wants to get into a theological argument so I will let it stand at

that. Dr. Mercola has touted a new book called The Maker's Diet coming out

soon that shows scientifically why the Bible makes perfect sense for health.

I ordered it and look forward to reading it.

Shari

pork

>

>

> > Since adding more meat to our diet, I am trying to also get a variety

> > of meats. I bought some pork loins the other day at the Wedge and

> > thought I'd see if there was a recipe in NT.

> > I had never noticed before, but there is NO section on pork! Is there

> > a reason for this? Does NT consider pork bad or something? Am I

> > missing something?

> >

> > Therese

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

--- Shari Wagner <asejmlae@...> wrote:

> Dr. Mercola has touted a new book called The Maker's Diet coming out

> soon that shows scientifically why the Bible makes perfect sense for health.

> I ordered it and look forward to reading it.

> Shari

Theology and science are two very separate things, and the fastest way to find

sloppy science is

to look for somebody who is blending the two (witness Dr Howell).

Likewise, the fastest

way to find sloppy theology is to look for somebody who is blending the two.

I'd say that such a book sounds like par for the course for Dr Mercola.

I don't there's anything wrong with theology or with science. It's just the

attempts to comingle

them that drive me batty. I'd argue, in fact, that such attempts run counter to

the entire notion

of faith.

[Guest guest]

Discussing whether or not we should mix theology and science is probably

like arguing whether or not to allow gay marriages. Everybody will have

their own opinion depending on their life experience with religion and God.

I will, however, mention one point of interest that I wish I would have paid

more attention to when I first heard it. I don't remember the details of

the story such as what century it happened etc. Apparently there was a

plague and many people were dying. At the time, church and state were

pretty much the same thing. The leaders decided to look in the bible to get

an answer as to what they should do about the horrible plaque. The bible

said they should seperate the sick from the well and so they did. That was

what finally ended the plague.

Re: pork

> --- Shari Wagner <asejmlae@...> wrote:

> > Dr. Mercola has touted a new book called The Maker's Diet coming out

> > soon that shows scientifically why the Bible makes perfect sense for

health.

> > I ordered it and look forward to reading it.

> > Shari

>

> Theology and science are two very separate things, and the fastest way to

find sloppy science is

> to look for somebody who is blending the two (witness Dr Howell).

Likewise, the fastest

> way to find sloppy theology is to look for somebody who is blending the

two.

>

> I'd say that such a book sounds like par for the course for Dr Mercola.

>

> I don't there's anything wrong with theology or with science. It's just

the attempts to comingle

> them that drive me batty. I'd argue, in fact, that such attempts run

counter to the entire notion

> of faith.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you all so much for your insights and opinions on pork!

I appreciate ALL of your opinions! I hope that some of the comments

on pork were " friendly debates " and not people getting down on each

other!

Therese

[Guest guest]

Regarding The Other White Meat

Science says:

" In late 1978, Dr. Masuo Doi, a veterinarian with the Food Safety and

Quality Service, studied a disorder in some young hogs that had arrived

at a Packing Plant in Albany, N.Y. from several Midwestern states. The

USDA's pathologist reported that the damage in the pig's brain was

similar to the damage observed in the brains of sheep afflicted with

scrapie, essentially the same disease as Mad Cow Disease (BSE) in cows. "

from an article by Dr. Lorraine Day MD at:

www.mercola.com/2001/mar/14/mad_cow_disease2.htm

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Religion says in the Old Testament that The Other White Meat is unclean

and may not be eaten.

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Religion comingled with Science

Ellen White who started the Christian Science rellgion wrote in 1865:

" Swine's flesh above all other flesh meats, produces a bad state of the

blood. Those who eat freely of pork can not help but be diseased...The

eating of pork has produced scrofula, leprosy and cancerous tumors. Pork

eating is still causing the most intense suffering to the human race.

(1865) "

From Dr. Day in the abovementioned Mercola article.

[Guest guest]

Just wondering on this: If people, like Jews, eschew pork, do they also eschew

lard and any related products, i.e. summer sausage (commonly held together by

lard) ? Might seem obvious but gotta ask! Thanks,

Sara

Regarding The Other White Meat

Science says:

" In late 1978, Dr. Masuo Doi, a veterinarian with the Food Safety and

Quality Service, studied a disorder in some young hogs that had arrived

at a Packing Plant in Albany, N.Y. from several Midwestern states. The

USDA's pathologist reported that the damage in the pig's brain was

similar to the damage observed in the brains of sheep afflicted with

scrapie, essentially the same disease as Mad Cow Disease (BSE) in cows. "

from an article by Dr. Lorraine Day MD at:

www.mercola.com/2001/mar/14/mad_cow_disease2.htm

[Guest guest]

Depends on the Jewish person. Most of the ones I know LOVE bacon and

ham but still claim to eschew pork. Like it's different somehow. Hey, we're all

human. What did you give up for Lent? Basically if you are ORTHODOX, you

don't eat pork, period. Otherwise, it's situational. Many reformed Jews don't

even go there with the pork thing. Then it boils down to KOSHER RULES for

which there is no middle ground. To keep kosher, one must make quite a few

sacrifices.

A good friend of mine who happens to be Jewish, and with whom we are

celebrating Passover next week, said they once lost his uncle. Turns out they

found him out late at night, paralyzed, staring at a sign. It said: " FREE HAM " .

I hope God sorts all this out....

Will

[Guest guest]

We encourage patients to start with fish and chicken, but they can incorporate pork and/or beef as they can tolerate. The pork and beef are usually tolerated at about the same time but each patient is different. Like anything else, we recommend that they go slowly with any new foods.

pork

Hello,For those dietitians/clinics that do not allow red meat in the first 6 month/year post-op, do you allow "white" meat pork, ie tenderloin. Thanks for the input. M. Charlier, MPH, RD, LD

[Guest guest]

Pork is very hard to digest, plus, in spite of modernity, it can still be

full of parasites, dead or alive.

Pork is one of the things the Old Testament forbade...pigs and hogs eat

almost anything, even other pigs and hogs, and I'm sure at that time it was one

unsavory dirty thing. Some people still go by the law to avoid pork, because

it was " unclean " and therefore not very good for us, figuring that God knew

what was and is best for us to eat.

The guy who came up with the " Maker's Diet " for his own healing has a bit

about pork and how bad it is for us. A shame, because who can live without

bacon???

a

[Guest guest]

I can. Since the day I quit meat, chicken, eggs and dairy, I have never looked

back with cravings or desire for any of it. Sugar and white flour were much

harder for me to leave behind, but the animal products don't tempt me at all.

Nina

Re: Pork

Pork is very hard to digest, plus, in spite of modernity, it can still be

full of parasites, dead or alive.

Pork is one of the things the Old Testament forbade...pigs and hogs eat

almost anything, even other pigs and hogs, and I'm sure at that time it was one

unsavory dirty thing. Some people still go by the law to avoid pork, because

it was " unclean " and therefore not very good for us, figuring that God knew

what was and is best for us to eat.

The guy who came up with the " Maker's Diet " for his own healing has a bit

about pork and how bad it is for us. A shame, because who can live without

bacon???

a

[Guest guest]

Jeanne,

I don't eat ALOT of pork products, but can't imagine doing completely without

them. What! No bacon, canadian bacon, sausage, chops, roasts, ham, ribs...!

But I guess I would try if I was convinced it was the right thing to do. I have

always wondered about the Jewish tradition of avoiding pork. But then, they

have rules against mixing beef and milk even in the same room (let alone the

same stomach)! I remember someone asking Sally once why there aren't pork

recipes in NT and I think that she said something about although she does eat

pork, it's safety has not been determined. I think it may be a cancer risk or

something. I will be interested to hear what other better-informed people have

to say.

Kathy

[Guest guest]

Jeanne,

I've always been told that pork is not good to eat

because of their diet (they are natural scavengers,

and will eat just about anything).

--- jeannekrieg <jeanne_simons@...> wrote:

> I have read in numerous articles that you should not

> eat pork but none

> of the articles have really gotten into why. I

> rather enjoy pork and

> will buy 1/2 hog once or twice a year from an

> organic grass fed farm

> that I also buy eggs, beef, and chicken from.

>

> Anyone care to comment on this?

> Jeanne

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

You're a better man than I, Nina! I am also living without bacon,

but I confess, while I don't miss all animal products, I miss bacon.

Isn't that wierd?

I'm hoping to get used to it.

a

> I can. Since the day I quit meat, chicken, eggs and dairy, I have

never looked back with cravings or desire for any of it. Sugar and

white flour were much harder for me to leave behind, but the animal

products don't tempt me at all.

>

> Nina

>

> Re: Pork

>

> Pork is very hard to digest, plus, in spite of modernity, it can

still be

> full of parasites, dead or alive.

>

> Pork is one of the things the Old Testament forbade...pigs and

hogs eat

> almost anything, even other pigs and hogs, and I'm sure at that

time it was one

> unsavory dirty thing. Some people still go by the law to avoid

pork, because

> it was " unclean " and therefore not very good for us, figuring that

God knew

> what was and is best for us to eat.

>

> The guy who came up with the " Maker's Diet " for his own healing has

a bit

> about pork and how bad it is for us. A shame, because who can live

without

> bacon???

>

> a