Guest guest Report post Posted August 27, 2000 thanks, and sorry about the re: line; basic pork, like pork roast I don't think is usually processed, that used to be most of my meat, just wondered, thanks again Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 27, 2000 I just checked Steve Shapiro's " reasons " list and he says Bacon/Ham/Pork: Avoid for A and AB because of an antibody reaction Avoid for O and B because they are A-like (also an antibody thing) Take care, Tabitha List updated 3/00 and a link can be found on the website at www.er4yt.org Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 27, 2000 Thanks, I will go read more Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 27, 2000 I can vaguely remember reading somewhere that pork triggers a Type A reaction in the bloodstream, definitely something an " O " would not want. Other than that, pork is just loaded with saturated fat!! Ugh!! Kathleen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 27, 2000 Well that " crap " as you put it, about it being loaded with nitrates and antibiotics, came from Dr. D-land. And what I posted came from Steve Shapiro's page about the A-like and antibody reactions. If you have other research to share, please cite your sources...and SIGN YOUR NAME NEXT TIME if it means enough to you to bring it up. Tabitha I specified in my first post that I was talking only on my best instincts and in my second post I specified where I got my information. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 27, 2000 chi33663@... wrote: > > thanks, and sorry about the re: line; basic pork, like pork roast I don't > think is usually processed, that used to be most of my meat, just wondered, > thanks again > From here: http://www.dadamo.com/forum/convert1/config-c1.pl?read=446 " Pork is probably inherrently OK for most type O's, but it has got to be one of the most antibiotic and nitrate laden meats there is, and I like to see even meat eaters make better choices. Wild boar (if you could get it!) would be OK. " -- Steve - Cheltenham, UK --------- In love and light we are In darkness we are no less Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 27, 2000 you guys are talking out of your hats...get facts first please... yes, it triggers A-like reactions...no it is not loaded with saturated fats anymore, no, it is not a processed product anymore than any other meat... please research first...misconceptions are brutal to fix. and our community becomes tainted and polluted with ...well...crap. thanks just a concerned lurker. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 27, 2000 or home grown pork! you are still talking about things you don't know about. organically grown meats are not laden with anything but what you feed them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 27, 2000 r wrote: > > or home grown pork! you are still talking about things you don't know > about. organically grown meats are not laden with anything but what you > feed them. > Well now we have an expert who is so willing to jump down peoples throats at quotes from other sources (in this case Dr D) perhaps all misconception and our errant ways will be corrected. -- Steve - Cheltenham, UK --------- In love and light we are In darkness we are no less Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 27, 2000 relax... pork is not the bad guy...bad info is and you didn't site your sources either! i am my own source...i raise them...remember us farmers? we give you the stuff on your plate! so go back to bed and take a pill. unsigned as i choose. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 27, 2000 ps...Dr. D-land, as you so aptly put it is not always correct as we all know. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 27, 2000 Just a quick response to all of this pork talk.My friend raises her own pigs and I've never had a problem with the meat I get from her,the only shots she gives them are their iron shots( I asked a vet why and discovered that the little buggers are actually born anemic),I know what they eat since I help feed them and I also grew up on a farm so I truly appreciate the work that TRUE organic farmers have to do.The stuff you get in stores(even health food stores) may be shot full of " vitamins " under the premise of keeping the entire herd healthy( which can be eliminated if space is given and the pigs aren't packed in like sardines).My rule is Eliminate Slowly from your diet the things on the Avoid List then if needed eat small portions of your favorite aviods to see if your body reacts, the detox process takes approx 3 months, depending on metabolism. I don't eat pork as much as I used to but if I want a small taste I know it's ok. All hail Farmers hey do truly fill my plate and yours : ) no disrespect or puns intended. Blessed Be, a Delano Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 28, 2000 Kathleen wrote: >I can vaguely remember reading somewhere that pork triggers a Type >A >reaction in the bloodstream, definitely something an " O " would not >want. Other than that, pork is just loaded with saturated fat!! Ugh!! Hi Kathleen, My aunt, who has always loved pork, had a heart attack 10 years ago and had to do research on which pork cuts she was allowed to eat. The parts of the pig that are considered lean and contain no more saturated fat than chicken breast are: Tenderloin, leg (fresh), shoulder, loin chop. (All of these cuts should be properly trimmed of fat.) As for Type O's, Dr. D is going on the assumption that most of the people on his program do not raise their own pigs. He's assuming that we buy our meat at the grocery store or from a meat market, and he's letting us know that this meat (processed, preserved and shot full of God-knows-what) is not good for us. He issues the same warnings about beef. Obviously, if you raise pigs and can walk out back, kill your dinner, and eat it the same day, you have a different situation. However, I believe the " antibody " issue has to do with something inherent in even fresh, lean pork. Just like how Type B's don't do well with chicken. " r, " perhaps you should take a pill. I can't for the life of me figure out what caused you to dump on the list the way you did. A rational farmer's perspective would have been very helpful. Lynn Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 28, 2000 I'm a B lurker on this list, married to an O. Regarding pork, not only is it an omnivorous animal and therefore loaded with toxins (you get more and more of them the further up the food chain you go...whatever they eat gets into their flesh within about 4 hours of consumption, whereas cattle and other herbivores take about 24 hours due to much longer digestion and removal of toxic wastes in the several stomachs) but many if not most U.S. farmers are now feeding weanling pigs the blood of their own kind (called Spray Dried Plasma Protein). This kind of thing got the English in trouble with Mad Cow disease, and the scary thing is that some U.S. ranchers are now feeding calves SDPP because it uses a waste byproduct to put quick flesh on weaned calves...can you say profit? No wonder Europe won't accept U.S. export meat. New Zealand does not permit SDPP to be fed to cattle, so my husband and I are trying to find a source of trustworthy beef from New Zealand. Personally, the thought of consuming the flesh of an animal that is being fed swine or bovine blood (the medium of disease) really horrifies me, especially swine, which are very close genetically to humans. There should be more controls on this experimentation, since we appear to be the guinea pigs. Tammrae Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 28, 2000 Does that mean that nonprocessed pork is okay? .. >I think pork is an avoid because most forms of pork I ever knew about are >processed in some way and Dr. D talks about processed meats being no no's >for >everyone if I recall. Just my theory though. I've also heard that it's >incredibly hard to digest. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 28, 2000 Yum >Other than that, pork is just loaded with saturated fat!! Ugh!! _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 28, 2000 lets hope so. why are you so defensive at correction of mis information Steve? you like to shoot your mouth off about things but don't accept correction when you are wrong ? people should not take ANYONE's word for fact unless it is backed up and they seem to take you at your word so easily...is this a case of the blind leading the stupid? people! get a brain between you all. what makes Steve an expert on all this stuff is that YOU let him carry you down whatever river he deems appropriate and you swallow it all...hook line and sinker...grow up. this is the real world...where are the credentials behind what you are accepting as truth? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 28, 2000 you all seem to take off down the river on the first boat available...what is that? sorry but i was taught better. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 28, 2000 absolutely and if Dr D needs to correct his info about ASS U MING what we are eating then so be it. we are from all walks of life not just cities where they evidently don't have good meats available. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 28, 2000 T, you might want to post a source for your info. as someone might jump down your throat. ;.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 28, 2000 i have never had any problem at all with non processed pork or any other meat but i always buy and raise organic meats... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 28, 2000 In Australia organic meats are meats that have no hormones injected into them and no pesticides and are fed organic food. When I was growing up a couple of my uncles had pig farmes and all they fed them were scraps, veg. Now this is called organic. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 28, 2000 r wrote: > > lets hope so. why are you so defensive at correction of mis information > Steve? I am not being defensive about mis-information but being annoyed at your attitude in your postings to this list and also suggesting that seen as you were a farmer with first hand experience of raising pigs you could impart some of your knowledge and expertise, hopefully, in a way that would not offend people on this list. We all have different sources for information, different experiences of what is right for us. It is up to each of us as responsible members of this list to respect other peoples views, and if we disagree to say so in a polite manner. Abusive members can of course be banned from the group by the moderator, an action that is usually kept to the last resort as nobody wants to see people removed without good reason and without giving them a chance to change and express themselves in a reasonable manner. This whole situation seems to be based around one topic, something that is obviously dear to you as it would appear to also be your lively hood. Perhaps you could post on this subject in the same manner and with the same intellectual thought as seen in your other posts and not with such heated emotion. > you like to shoot your mouth off about things but don't accept > correction when you are wrong ? I am not aware that I have ever done this and if I had would hope someone would tell me in a reasonable way. As you have been so quick this time to have a go at list members I wonder why, if I have been so guilty before, have you not said anything before to me (or others). > people should not take ANYONE's word for > fact unless it is backed up and they seem to take you at your word so > easily...is this a case of the blind leading the stupid? people! get a brain > between you all. what makes Steve an expert on all this stuff is that YOU > let him carry you down whatever river he deems appropriate and you swallow > it all...hook line and sinker...grow up. this is the real world...where are > the credentials behind what you are accepting as truth? > I usually try and only offer sources of information so that people can read and make there own choices...I am not an expert as I have stated on this list before I have only been thanked for providing the links to those sources, what people do with the information is up to them I do not force my opinion on others...they have a mind/ brain of there own to use. As this diet is based on the ER4YT book by Dr D'Adamo then that is the primary source of information, otherwise there would be no point to this list. People have called for the moderator to take action because of your attitude and the content of your messages, as the moderator of this group I kindly ask that you refrain from attacking other list members. If you persist then you leave little choice to be banned from the group a sad call to have to make but for the sake of everyone else on the list. I hope this can be resolved in a sensible manner without resorting to such actions. Any further discussion will take place off the list so as not too fill the list with unnecessary and off topic posts. -- Steve - Cheltenham, UK --------- In love and light we are In darkness we are no less Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 28, 2000 Thank you Steve!!! I come to this site every day eager to learn and as a student of Holistic Health, to share my little knowledge on natural health whenever possible. I also joined this group to better my health; today after reading the messages concerning PORK I got a pain in the upper part of my stomach which I only get in very stressful situations and have not had for many years...I would be very grateful situations like this one will never happen again! As for pork, I have stopped eating it many years ago because it produces bouts of acne as soon as I ingest it; the same thing happens to my 25 yr. old son. We are O type blood with South American Indian/Portuguese-Spanish ancestry. Thanks again for your kindness and the unlimited resources you put at our hands. , Austin, TX Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 28, 2000 RE: Pork > > profit? No wonder Europe won't accept U.S. export meat. New Zealand does > not permit SDPP to be fed to cattle, so my husband and I are trying to > find a source of trustworthy beef from New Zealand. Personally, the That is interesting as a food store chain here on Vancouver Island sells New Zealand beef and lamb almost exclusively. I thought it was odd that they would not support the Canadian farmer but perhaps this explains it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites