pork

[Guest guest]

We have a saying around our house and it goes like this,

A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still.

You all might want to check this out www.hado.net/Messages_from_Waterbook.html.

It is fascinating and very enlightening. The book explains how thoughts, words

and even music can change the molecular structure of the water molecules in our

bodies which are 70% + water. It shows water taken from some of the most

polluted rivers in the world and how the molecular structure was changed by

having a monk pray over the water. My purpose in bringing this up is that, by

praying over your food, you are changing the very essence of it. I recently had

lead poisoning and needed to take a certain product to remove the heavy metals

from my system but in the past, this product had caused an allergic reaction. My

naturopath said I had to take it and suggested I pray over it and ask that

anything harmful to my body be taken away. I did that and had no allergic

reaction whatsoever.

Nina Moliver <ninalynn@...> wrote:

I honor everybody's food choices and everybody's right to make them. I

apologize for having offended anybody.

Nina

RE: Pork

Well Alobar, you've gone and done it now, you've lit Nina's fuse but good

this time.

I'm with you. Nothing like a mouthful of pork, at least when that's what I

want. In fact I think it's about time to light up my big ol' charcoal smoker

again and slow cook some ribs.

If there's one thing I get good and sick and tired of, it's vegetarians who

can't keep their mouth shut and must proselytize us all to their religion,

and that's what it is alright, a religion.

Nina this is straight at you: You've been coming in here for a while now

getting slowly more militant about your vegetarianism, and now you've really

showed yourself but good by connecting meat eating to the destruction of the

planet and everything else you don't like including Bush. You sound

like you're beginning to foam at the mouth.

You can eat anything you want to as far as I'm concerned, but when you start

calling me a planet destroyer because of my diet, you have crossed the line.

It never fails to amaze me that when a militant vegetarian comes into a

forum like this, for a while a few meat eaters will apologize or make

excuses about eating meat. The vegetarian then becomes more bold until

finally they ALWAYS come out of the closet with all their rhetoric like you

just did. It also is almost always true that most of the meat eaters won't

say much at all about it because we tend to have an attitude of letting

others do as they wish. But not vegetarians, nooooo!!!! They have to go and

call all of us meat-eaters demented butchers who are destroying all that's

holy!

The wildest part of this is that it's always the vegetarians who spout hate

and intolerance, while they accuse us meat eaters of being violent.

You've shown yourself for the extremist that you are, and I suspect your

influence here will wane. You are the kind of vegetarian who gives

vegetarianism a bad name.

Oh I'm sure you're going to have a good comeback for this, and will spew

your venom all over me, just like you did to Alobar. I won't respond,

because one encounter with a nut is enough. Besides, if you do, I'll know I

got your goat.

Pork; it's what's for dinner, right after I finish this steak. Oh and hand

me one of those chicken wings. Hey is that fish over there?...

Daddybob

---------------------------------

[Guest guest]

This response doesn't make meat eaters look any better than

vegetarians. ACtually, I am not a vegetarian, but I have often been

mistaken for one because I eat so little meat. It's amazing how I

get attacked for my food choices when I am not even the one to bring

the food up. People question why I am not having meat, or why I

substited a veggie dish at a restaurant. I don't question their plate

of food, but the meat out of the mal, and suddenly people get

defensive! I have found that many meat-eaters are the ones who

attack and find it a personal affront that I chose to have a meatless

meal. It's weird to me. They back off when I tell them I am not a

vegetarian, BUT WHAT IF I WAS? I would have to suffer the onslaught

further?? I have a friend who is a vegetarian and actually AVOIDS

telling people or discussing it at all costs because of the grief she

gets about it. I felt bad one day when I invited her to a party with

me and a couple of people really were mean to her when THEY are the

ones that asked about her eating a habits (I think they were trying

to pick up on her at first even). She got those original comments

about " time to light up the grill " or " im gonna eat a bloody side of

cow " etc. SAd. And not very original. I have to hear it so often and

I only CUT BACK on meat. Sheesh.

So actually, meat eaters are just as guilty about name calling. In my

limited life experience, the most hateful and intolerable people were

not vegetarians. They can be found everywhere, no matter what your

eating habits are. As a matter of fact, some were fanatical religious

people. Now THERE is hypocrisy at its finest.

I have read many things about how factory meat corps are detrimental

to the environment. I don't thinnk its something she made up to

insult anyone. I have read it in my different books. But the first

time I found about it was when that cattle rancher was on Oprah

Winfrey. I cant remember his name now, but he wrote that book The

Mad Cowboy and the beef industry tried to sue Oprah and him. Does

anyone remember that? Of course that got my attention and I read the

bood which led me to look further into it.

So maybe you are the kind of meat-eater that gives US a bad name.

__________________________________________________

>

> Well Alobar, you've gone and done it now, you've lit Nina's fuse

but good

> this time.

>

> I'm with you. Nothing like a mouthful of pork, at least when

that's what I

> want. In fact I think it's about time to light up my big ol'

charcoal smoker

> again and slow cook some ribs.

>

> If there's one thing I get good and sick and tired of, it's

vegetarians who

> can't keep their mouth shut and must proselytize us all to their

religion,

> and that's what it is alright, a religion.

>

> Nina this is straight at you: You've been coming in here for a

while now

> getting slowly more militant about your vegetarianism, and now

you've really

> showed yourself but good by connecting meat eating to the

destruction of the

> planet and everything else you don't like including Bush.

You sound

> like you're beginning to foam at the mouth.

>

> You can eat anything you want to as far as I'm concerned, but

when you start

> calling me a planet destroyer because of my diet, you have

crossed the line.

> It never fails to amaze me that when a militant vegetarian comes

into a

> forum like this, for a while a few meat eaters will apologize or

make

> excuses about eating meat. The vegetarian then becomes more bold

until

> finally they ALWAYS come out of the closet with all their

rhetoric like you

> just did. It also is almost always true that most of the meat

eaters won't

> say much at all about it because we tend to have an attitude of

letting

> others do as they wish. But not vegetarians, nooooo!!!! They have

to go and

> call all of us meat-eaters demented butchers who are destroying

all that's

> holy!

>

> The wildest part of this is that it's always the vegetarians who

spout hate

> and intolerance, while they accuse us meat eaters of being

violent.

>

> You've shown yourself for the extremist that you are, and I

suspect your

> influence here will wane. You are the kind of vegetarian who gives

> vegetarianism a bad name.

>

> Oh I'm sure you're going to have a good comeback for this, and

will spew

> your venom all over me, just like you did to Alobar. I won't

respond,

> because one encounter with a nut is enough. Besides, if you do,

I'll know I

> got your goat.

>

> Pork; it's what's for dinner, right after I finish this steak. Oh

and hand

> me one of those chicken wings. Hey is that fish over there?...

>

> Daddybob

>

>

>

>

> --------------------------------------------------------------------

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>

[Guest guest]

Donnamarie, thank you for your support - I am on vacation, will

write more when I return - the author's name is Lyman and his

book is Mad Cowboy.

Blessings,

Nina

> This response doesn't make meat eaters look any better than

> vegetarians. ACtually, I am not a vegetarian, but I have often

been

> mistaken for one because I eat so little meat. It's amazing how I

> get attacked for my food choices when I am not even the one to

bring

> the food up. People question why I am not having Tmeat, or why I

> substited a veggie dish at a restaurant. I don't question their

plate

> of food, but the meat out of the mal, and suddenly people get

> defensive! I have found that many meat-eaters are the ones who

> attack and find it a personal affront that I chose to have a

meatless

> meal. It's weird to me. They back off when I tell them I am not

a

> vegetarian, BUT WHAT IF I WAS? I would have to suffer the

onslaught

> further?? I have a friend who is a vegetarian and actually AVOIDS

> telling people or discussing it at all costs because of the grief

she

> gets about it. I felt bad one day when I invited her to a party

with

> me and a couple of people really were mean to her when THEY are

the

> ones that asked about her eating a habits (I think they were

trying

> to pick up on her at first even). She got those original comments

> about " time to light up the grill " or " im gonna eat a bloody side

of

> cow " etc. SAd. And not very original. I have to hear it so often

and

> I only CUT BACK on meat. Sheesh.

>

> So actually, meat eaters are just as guilty about name calling. In

my

> limited life experience, the most hateful and intolerable people

were

> not vegetarians. They can be found everywhere, no matter what your

> eating habits are. As a matter of fact, some were fanatical

religious

> people. Now THERE is hypocrisy at its finest.

>

> I have read many things about how factory meat corps are

detrimental

> to the environment. I don't thinnk its something she made up to

> insult anyone. I have read it in my different books. But the

first

> time I found about it was when that cattle rancher was on Oprah

> Winfrey. I cant remember his name now, but he wrote that book The

> Mad Cowboy and the beef industry tried to sue Oprah and him. Does

> anyone remember that? Of course that got my attention and I read

the

> bood which led me to look further into it.

>

> So maybe you are the kind of meat-eater that gives US a bad name.

>

> __________________________________________________

> >

> > Well Alobar, you've gone and done it now, you've lit Nina's

fuse

> but good

> > this time.

> >

> > I'm with you. Nothing like a mouthful of pork, at least when

> that's what I

> > want. In fact I think it's about time to light up my big ol'

> charcoal smoker

> > again and slow cook some ribs.

> >

> > If there's one thing I get good and sick and tired of, it's

> vegetarians who

> > can't keep their mouth shut and must proselytize us all to

their

> religion,

> > and that's what it is alright, a religion.

> >

> > Nina this is straight at you: You've been coming in here for a

> while now

> > getting slowly more militant about your vegetarianism, and now

> you've really

> > showed yourself but good by connecting meat eating to the

> destruction of the

> > planet and everything else you don't like including

Bush.

> You sound

> > like you're beginning to foam at the mouth.

> >

> > You can eat anything you want to as far as I'm concerned, but

> when you start

> > calling me a planet destroyer because of my diet, you have

> crossed the line.

> > It never fails to amaze me that when a militant vegetarian

comes

> into a

> > forum like this, for a while a few meat eaters will apologize

or

> make

> > excuses about eating meat. The vegetarian then becomes more

bold

> until

> > finally they ALWAYS come out of the closet with all their

> rhetoric like you

> > just did. It also is almost always true that most of the meat

> eaters won't

> > say much at all about it because we tend to have an attitude

of

> letting

> > others do as they wish. But not vegetarians, nooooo!!!! They

have

> to go and

> > call all of us meat-eaters demented butchers who are

destroying

> all that's

> > holy!

> >

> > The wildest part of this is that it's always the vegetarians

who

> spout hate

> > and intolerance, while they accuse us meat eaters of being

> violent.

> >

> > You've shown yourself for the extremist that you are, and I

> suspect your

> > influence here will wane. You are the kind of vegetarian who

gives

> > vegetarianism a bad name.

> >

> > Oh I'm sure you're going to have a good comeback for this, and

> will spew

> > your venom all over me, just like you did to Alobar. I won't

> respond,

> > because one encounter with a nut is enough. Besides, if you

do,

> I'll know I

> > got your goat.

> >

> > Pork; it's what's for dinner, right after I finish this steak.

Oh

> and hand

> > me one of those chicken wings. Hey is that fish over there?...

> >

> > Daddybob

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > -----------------------------------------------------------------

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> ----------

> >

[Guest guest]

I get my pastured, organic pork products right from the farm. I have

met the farmers and the pigs and they consistantly produce healthful,

flavorful products. They make a monthly delivery to the twin cities

or

you can find them at your natural food cooperative. Cheaper delivered

than at the store!

See their wwwebsite at:

http://www.prairiefare.com/pastureshp.htm

Enjoy,

Bill

[Guest guest]

When it gets freezer burned.

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of Kathy

Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2005 3:11 PM

Subject: pork

anyone know how long pork is good in your freezer?

Kathy-jo kaje62@...

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[Guest guest]

james: I began washing my leaf lard enfleurage today. .. I put

my nose to the delicate scent and took a big sniff. It smelled just

like......

PORK. No floral, no nothing but pure, oinking, squealing HOG.

Just a thought on different fats for enfluerage.

I used to work for EMU ranchers, the people I worked for sold their bird fat

(I believe).

Emu is very hydrating & scent free.

it's worth checking out. heres a # for emu ranchers in MN 8003684246

the less refined fats would work well I'm thinking but I'm not sure how well

the fat would travel.

BEST OF LUCK!

[Guest guest]

Actually, she discusses health concerns about eating pork. On page 32 of

Nourishing Traditions she says there have been studies showing disconcerting

changes in blood chemistry after eating pork. She also says that in labs pork

is one of the best mediums for growth of cancer cells.

Are you suggesting she is not saying what she really means?

I'm interested to hear your thoughts.

-e

>

> The reason Sally Fallon doesn't include pork in her Nourishing Traditions

cookbook is out of respect for Enig, who is Jewish.

>

> I don't know Dr. Mercola's reasons.

>

> Some people claim that pigs, shellfish and other meats are unclean because

they consume garbage. However, all bodies chemically transform what they eat

into substances their bodies can use to make their meat. That doesn't mean

you'd be eating any garbage of any kind. Any toxins they consume are detoxified

just like our bodies.

>

> Cheers, Bee

>

[Guest guest]

Isn't pork the meat of the Okinowans? They are extremely healthy and outlive us

all!

________________________________

From: martinesaraaimee <martinekuhlman@...>

Sent: Sun, June 20, 2010 4:30:29 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: pork

Actually, she discusses health concerns about eating pork. On page 32 of

Nourishing Traditions she says there have been studies showing disconcerting

changes in blood chemistry after eating pork. She also says that in labs pork

is one of the best mediums for growth of cancer cells.

Are you suggesting she is not saying what she really means?

I'm interested to hear your thoughts.

-e

>

> The reason Sally Fallon doesn't include pork in her Nourishing Traditions

cookbook is out of respect for Enig, who is Jewish.

>

> I don't know Dr. Mercola's reasons.

>

> Some people claim that pigs, shellfish and other meats are unclean because

they consume garbage. However, all bodies chemically transform what they eat

into substances their bodies can use to make their meat. That doesn't mean

you'd be eating any garbage of any kind. Any toxins they consume are detoxified

just like our bodies.

>

> Cheers, Bee

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Actually, she discusses health concerns about eating pork. On page 32 of

Nourishing Traditions she says there have been studies showing disconcerting

changes in blood chemistry after eating pork. She also says that in labs pork

is one of the best mediums for growth of cancer cells.

+++Hi e,

I don't necessarily agree with Sally since she has gotten some things wrong,

like any of us who are human. Many studies are flawed too.

What happens in a laboratory doesn't happen in the body.

By the way, Sally only refers to one study (not studies), footnote 117, which

states:

117. Personal communication, Dr. Olympia Pinto, Rio de Janeiro, etc.

It doesn't state " how the blood changed " and it is well-known that good healthy

foods would create healing and detoxifying reactions in the blood.

If pork were so unhealthy then how could Dr. Jan Kwasniewski's Optimal Diet cure

people of cancer, heart disease, diabetes, asthma, obesity, etc. for over 30

years in Poland, since he recommends a lot of pork? See:

http://homodiet.netfirms.com/

Bee

[Guest guest]

Mercola has several articles on the dangers of eating pork.

This is just one of them. He says in one of his articles that even when cooked

thoroughly you can get some virus or bug from pork.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/07/12/are-there-deadly-s\

uperbugs-in-your-pork.aspx

I know my family would like to be able to have another source of meat but I'm

not sure about pork.

Thanks,

Cassandra

[Guest guest]

****A lot of people change their minds and sometimes frequently.

I would agree with Susie that we each need to use our own good judgement - which

would include your own research and personal beliefs.

I do not eat pork or shell fish, for my own personal religious beliefs and I do

not believe they are healthy. I find that I can do the diet just fine without

them. But, again, there are some things that we just need to make up our own

minds about.

> >

> > Mercola has several articles on the dangers of eating pork.

> > This is just one of them. He says in one of his articles that even when

cooked thoroughly you can get some virus or bug from pork.

> >

> >

> >

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/07/12/are-there-deadly-s\

uperbugs-in-your-pork.aspx

> >

> > I know my family would like to be able to have another source of meat but

I'm not sure about pork.

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Cassandra

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I have also heard that some people object to eating pork because its amino acid

profile is very similar to human meat.

Generally, I would think that if pork were really bad for us, Dr. Krasniewski

would not have had such success with his Optimal Diet.

I do agree that we each need to use our own good judgment.

Pam Maltzman

> > >

> > > Mercola has several articles on the dangers of eating pork.

> > > This is just one of them. He says in one of his articles that even when

cooked thoroughly you can get some virus or bug from pork.

> > >

> > >

> > >

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/07/12/are-there-deadly-s\

uperbugs-in-your-pork.aspx

> > >

> > > I know my family would like to be able to have another source of meat but

I'm not sure about pork.

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > > Cassandra

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Check out this podcast. The first topic covered is pork consumption. You

may find it interesting.

http://chriskresser.com/the-highly-effective-but-little-known-treatment-for-chro\

nic-sinusitis

On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 3:52 PM, DianeW <diane.witte@...> wrote:

> **

>

>

> Hi, all. I've had a pork roast in my freezer for awhile and I've finally

> decided to do something with it. Since I've never cooked pork before I

> went to the NT book and found nothing for pork. So I went to the WAPF

> site and found an article written by Sally Fallon last fall on pork.

> http://www.westonaprice.org/food-features/pork

> <http://www.westonaprice.org/food-features/pork> According to this

> article, pork needs to be smoked, cured or marinated in vinegar before

> consuming, otherwise it causes fatigue and undesirable changes in our

> blood.

> Then I went to the files section here and found a recipe posted by Will

> last month for pork roast that didn't include smoking, curing or

> marinating.

> Not sure what to do. Any thoughts, anyone?

> Thanks,Diane

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Diane,

I can't speak to the health issues many people take with to pork.

I can only speak to the pork roast Will noted, because I made it. I

started with very high quality pork. And, as he probably described,

cooked it in a slow cooker for 8 hours on low, placing it on a bed of

chopped onion, and with a bit of water, salt, pepper, and two bay

leaves. it was fantastic, and I felt great after consuming it. Like

many things, I wonder if moderation is the key. I'll have to read

more about consuming pork, but still recommend it. Served with mashed

yams and greens - wow.

Rebekah

On Feb 25, 2012, at 3:52 PM, DianeW wrote:

> Hi, all. I've had a pork roast in my freezer for awhile and I've

> finally

> decided to do something with it. Since I've never cooked pork before I

> went to the NT book and found nothing for pork. So I went to the WAPF

> site and found an article written by Sally Fallon last fall on pork.

> http://www.westonaprice.org/food-features/pork

> <http://www.westonaprice.org/food-features/pork> According to this

> article, pork needs to be smoked, cured or marinated in vinegar before

> consuming, otherwise it causes fatigue and undesirable changes in our

> blood.

> Then I went to the files section here and found a recipe posted by

> Will

> last month for pork roast that didn't include smoking, curing or

> marinating.

> Not sure what to do. Any thoughts, anyone?

> Thanks,Diane

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the ideas, everyone. It was yesterday's meal.

Kathy, your recipe was almost what I did. I soaked it in vinegar (white)

for about 12 hours Sat. night. Then I followed the recipe Will posted

last month, which is what you said, Kathy, with the addition of thyme

but no ACV. (A different recipe than what you said, Rebekah. Next time,

maybe I'll use a crockpot.) I roasted it in an electric roaster for

about 1.5 hours. It was good, except the vinegar flavor was very strong

- on the outside, mostly. Luckily, the inside was less strong, and it

was pretty tasty. I don't think I marinated it properly, or maybe it

needed to be rinsed better or soaked in water for awhile before

roasting? Would ACV have a less strong flavor on the meat?I don't want

that strong a vinegar flavor in the future.

>

> I eat pork, but marinate it when I can. I think it's a good idea. You

can just pour a little ACV over it and then prepare any recipe. I often

then just put salt and pepper, garlic, rosemary and a little olive oil

(Italian style) on it and slow roast it in the oven. Great with mashed

potatoes and a green vegetable.

>

> Kathy

>

[Guest guest]

Yeah, I don't want a strong vinegar flavor either. I don't know if white vinegar

is any better or worse than ACV in that respect, but do make sure it is organic,

otherwise it is likely made from GMO corn.

I don't use much vinegar- maybe only a quarter of a cup and perhaps you could

reduce your marinating time a bit. I wouldn't recommend rinsing or soaking in

water. The other option (too late now, but for next time?) would be to marinate

with vinegar and then make a BBQ sauce for the meat which would only be enhanced

by the flavor of the vinegar.

Kathy