pork

[Guest guest]

thanks, and sorry about the re: line; basic pork, like pork roast I don't

think is usually processed, that used to be most of my meat, just wondered,

thanks again

[Guest guest]

I just checked Steve Shapiro's " reasons " list and he says

Bacon/Ham/Pork:

Avoid for A and AB because of an antibody reaction

Avoid for O and B because they are A-like (also an antibody thing)

Take care,

Tabitha

List updated 3/00 and a link can be found on the website at www.er4yt.org

[Guest guest]

Thanks, I will go read more

[Guest guest]

I can vaguely remember reading somewhere that pork triggers a Type A reaction

in the bloodstream, definitely something an " O " would not want. Other than

that, pork is just loaded with saturated fat!! Ugh!!

Kathleen

[Guest guest]

Well that " crap " as you put it, about it being loaded with nitrates and

antibiotics, came from Dr. D-land. And what I posted came from Steve

Shapiro's page about the A-like and antibody reactions. If you have other

research to share, please cite your sources...and SIGN YOUR NAME NEXT TIME if

it means enough to you to bring it up.

Tabitha

I specified in my first post that I was talking only on my best instincts and

in my second post I specified where I got my information.

[Guest guest]

chi33663@... wrote:

>

> thanks, and sorry about the re: line; basic pork, like pork roast I don't

> think is usually processed, that used to be most of my meat, just wondered,

> thanks again

>

From here: http://www.dadamo.com/forum/convert1/config-c1.pl?read=446

" Pork is probably inherrently OK for most type O's, but it has got to be

one of the most antibiotic and nitrate laden meats there is, and I like

to see even meat eaters make better choices. Wild boar (if you could get

it!) would be OK. "

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Steve - Cheltenham, UK

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[Guest guest]

you guys are talking out of your hats...get facts first please...

yes, it triggers A-like reactions...no it is not loaded with saturated fats

anymore, no, it is not a processed product anymore than any other meat...

please research first...misconceptions are brutal to fix. and our community

becomes tainted and polluted with ...well...crap.

thanks

just a concerned lurker.

[Guest guest]

or home grown pork! you are still talking about things you don't know

about. organically grown meats are not laden with anything but what you

feed them.

[Guest guest]

r wrote:

>

> or home grown pork! you are still talking about things you don't know

> about. organically grown meats are not laden with anything but what you

> feed them.

>

Well now we have an expert who is so willing to jump down peoples

throats at quotes from other sources (in this case Dr D) perhaps all

misconception and our errant ways will be corrected.

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Steve - Cheltenham, UK

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In darkness we are no less

[Guest guest]

relax...

pork is not the bad guy...bad info is and you didn't site your sources

either! i am my own source...i raise them...remember us farmers? we give you

the stuff on your plate!

so go back to bed and take a pill.

unsigned as i choose.

[Guest guest]

ps...Dr. D-land, as you so aptly put it is not always correct as we all

know.

[Guest guest]

Just a quick response to all of this pork talk.My friend raises her own pigs

and I've never had a problem with the meat I get from her,the only shots she

gives them are their iron shots( I asked a vet why and discovered that the

little buggers are actually born anemic),I know what they eat since I help

feed them and I also grew up on a farm so I truly appreciate the work that

TRUE organic farmers have to do.The stuff you get in stores(even health food

stores) may be shot full of " vitamins " under the premise of keeping the

entire herd healthy( which can be eliminated if space is given and the pigs

aren't packed in like sardines).My rule is Eliminate Slowly from your diet

the things on the Avoid List then if needed eat small portions of your

favorite aviods to see if your body reacts, the detox process takes approx 3

months, depending on metabolism. I don't eat pork as much as I used to but

if I want a small taste I know it's ok.

All hail Farmers hey do truly fill my plate and yours : ) no disrespect or

puns intended.

Blessed Be,

a Delano

[Guest guest]

Kathleen wrote:

>I can vaguely remember reading somewhere that pork triggers a Type

>A >reaction in the bloodstream, definitely something an " O " would not

>want. Other than that, pork is just loaded with saturated fat!! Ugh!!

Hi Kathleen,

My aunt, who has always loved pork, had a heart attack 10 years ago

and had to do research on which pork cuts she was allowed to eat.

The parts of the pig that are considered lean and contain no more

saturated fat than chicken breast are:

Tenderloin, leg (fresh), shoulder, loin chop. (All of these cuts

should be properly trimmed of fat.)

As for Type O's, Dr. D is going on the assumption that most of the

people on his program do not raise their own pigs. He's assuming

that we buy our meat at the grocery store or from a meat market, and

he's letting us know that this meat (processed, preserved and shot

full of God-knows-what) is not good for us. He issues the same

warnings about beef. Obviously, if you raise pigs and can walk out

back, kill your dinner, and eat it the same day, you have a different

situation.

However, I believe the " antibody " issue has to do with something

inherent in even fresh, lean pork. Just like how Type B's don't do

well with chicken.

" r, " perhaps you should take a pill. I can't for the life of me

figure out what caused you to dump on the list the way you did. A

rational farmer's perspective would have been very helpful.

Lynn

[Guest guest]

I'm a B lurker on this list, married to an O. Regarding pork, not only

is it an omnivorous animal and therefore loaded with toxins (you get

more and more of them the further up the food chain you go...whatever

they eat gets into their flesh within about 4 hours of consumption,

whereas cattle and other herbivores take about 24 hours due to much

longer digestion and removal of toxic wastes in the several stomachs)

but many if not most U.S. farmers are now feeding weanling pigs the

blood of their own kind (called Spray Dried Plasma Protein). This kind

of thing got the English in trouble with Mad Cow disease, and the scary

thing is that some U.S. ranchers are now feeding calves SDPP because it

uses a waste byproduct to put quick flesh on weaned calves...can you say

profit? No wonder Europe won't accept U.S. export meat. New Zealand does

not permit SDPP to be fed to cattle, so my husband and I are trying to

find a source of trustworthy beef from New Zealand. Personally, the

thought of consuming the flesh of an animal that is being fed swine or

bovine blood (the medium of disease) really horrifies me, especially

swine, which are very close genetically to humans. There should be more

controls on this experimentation, since we appear to be the guinea pigs.

Tammrae

[Guest guest]

Does that mean that nonprocessed pork is okay?

..

>I think pork is an avoid because most forms of pork I ever knew about are

>processed in some way and Dr. D talks about processed meats being no no's

>for

>everyone if I recall. Just my theory though. I've also heard that it's

>incredibly hard to digest.

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Yum

>Other than that, pork is just loaded with saturated fat!! Ugh!!

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lets hope so. why are you so defensive at correction of mis information

Steve? you like to shoot your mouth off about things but don't accept

correction when you are wrong ? people should not take ANYONE's word for

fact unless it is backed up and they seem to take you at your word so

easily...is this a case of the blind leading the stupid? people! get a brain

between you all. what makes Steve an expert on all this stuff is that YOU

let him carry you down whatever river he deems appropriate and you swallow

it all...hook line and sinker...grow up. this is the real world...where are

the credentials behind what you are accepting as truth?

[Guest guest]

you all seem to take off down the river on the first boat available...what

is that? sorry but i was taught better.

[Guest guest]

absolutely and if Dr D needs to correct his info about ASS U MING what we

are eating then so be it. we are from all walks of life not just cities

where they evidently don't have good meats available.

[Guest guest]

T,

you might want to post a source for your info. as someone might jump down

your throat.

;.)

[Guest guest]

i have never had any problem at all with non processed pork or any other

meat but i always buy and raise organic meats...

[Guest guest]

In Australia organic meats are meats that have no hormones injected into

them and no pesticides and are fed organic food. When I was growing up a

couple of my uncles had pig farmes and all they fed them were scraps, veg.

Now this is called organic.

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r wrote:

>

> lets hope so. why are you so defensive at correction of mis information

> Steve?

I am not being defensive about mis-information but being annoyed at your

attitude in your postings to this list and also suggesting that seen as

you were a farmer with first hand experience of raising pigs you could

impart some of your knowledge and expertise, hopefully, in a way that

would not offend people on this list.

We all have different sources for information, different experiences of

what is right for us. It is up to each of us as responsible members of

this list to respect other peoples views, and if we disagree to say so

in a polite manner. Abusive members can of course be banned from the

group by the moderator, an action that is usually kept to the last

resort as nobody wants to see people removed without good reason and

without giving them a chance to change and express themselves in a

reasonable manner. This whole situation seems to be based around one

topic, something that is obviously dear to you as it would appear to

also be your lively hood. Perhaps you could post on this subject in the

same manner and with the same intellectual thought as seen in your other

posts and not with such heated emotion.

> you like to shoot your mouth off about things but don't accept

> correction when you are wrong ?

I am not aware that I have ever done this and if I had would hope

someone would tell me in a reasonable way. As you have been so quick

this time to have a go at list members I wonder why, if I have been so

guilty before, have you not said anything before to me (or others).

> people should not take ANYONE's word for

> fact unless it is backed up and they seem to take you at your word so

> easily...is this a case of the blind leading the stupid? people! get a brain

> between you all. what makes Steve an expert on all this stuff is that YOU

> let him carry you down whatever river he deems appropriate and you swallow

> it all...hook line and sinker...grow up. this is the real world...where are

> the credentials behind what you are accepting as truth?

>

I usually try and only offer sources of information so that people can

read and make there own choices...I am not an expert as I have stated on

this list before I have only been thanked for providing the links to

those sources, what people do with the information is up to them I do

not force my opinion on others...they have a mind/ brain of there own to

use. As this diet is based on the ER4YT book by Dr D'Adamo then that is

the primary source of information, otherwise there would be no point to

this list.

People have called for the moderator to take action because of your

attitude and the content of your messages, as the moderator of this

group I kindly ask that you refrain from attacking other list members.

If you persist then you leave little choice to be banned from the group

a sad call to have to make but for the sake of everyone else on the

list.

I hope this can be resolved in a sensible manner without resorting to

such actions. Any further discussion will take place off the list so as

not too fill the list with unnecessary and off topic posts.

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Steve - Cheltenham, UK

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[Guest guest]

Thank you Steve!!!

I come to this site every day eager to learn and as a student of Holistic

Health, to share my little knowledge on natural health whenever possible. I

also joined this group to better my health; today after reading the messages

concerning PORK I got a pain in the upper part of my stomach which I only get

in very stressful situations and have not had for many years...I would be

very grateful situations like this one will never happen again!

As for pork, I have stopped eating it many years ago because it produces

bouts of acne as soon as I ingest it; the same thing happens to my 25 yr. old

son. We are O type blood with South American Indian/Portuguese-Spanish

ancestry.

Thanks again for your kindness and the unlimited resources you put at our

hands.

, Austin, TX

[Guest guest]

RE: Pork

> > profit? No wonder Europe won't accept U.S. export meat. New Zealand does

> not permit SDPP to be fed to cattle, so my husband and I are trying to

> find a source of trustworthy beef from New Zealand. Personally, the

That is interesting as a food store chain here on Vancouver Island sells New

Zealand beef and lamb almost exclusively. I thought it was odd that they

would not support the Canadian farmer but perhaps this explains it?