Re: Fibro pain

October 5, 2005

Molly and Kathy . . .

You BOTH make ME feel old . . . Both of you are my

daughter's age!

Hugs,

Rogene

October 5, 2005

Age is what we do with it, I guess!!!

> Molly and Kathy . . .

>

> You BOTH make ME feel old . . . Both of you are my

> daughter's age!

>

> Hugs,

>

> Rogene

October 5, 2005

No, I have the equivalent of an HMO. I doubt it. I will look into it. We

simply couldn't

afford to pay it out of our pocket, unfortunately.

> >>>>>> I have a strange one to add to this, for anyone suffering with

> >>> fibro pain.

> >>>>>> As you know, I have been fibro-pain free for several years.

> >>> Just last week

> >>>>>> I developed the same debilitating pain I had been free of for

> >>> so long.

> >>>>>> Freaked, I saw Dr. Leu today. My estrogen has been high in the

> >>> past so I

> >>>>>> was put on an aromatase inhibitor a couple of weeks ago to

> >>> bring it down.

> >>>>>> Evidently, it brought my estrogen down too low, which triggered

> >>> menopausal

> >>>>>> symptoms -- hot flashes and night sweats, which I had not

> >>> previous

> >>>>>> developed. The fibro symptoms I had this past week were as a

> >>> result of too

> >>>>>> little estrogen in my body! My IC flared horribly as well.

> >>> So, for anyone

> >>>>>> suffering fibro symptoms with known hormone problems, you might

> >>> want to go

> >>>>>> see an ND and get a hormone test to see if it could be low

> >>> estrogen causing

> >>>>>> your fibro pain. The pain I felt during the past week was just

> >>> as bad and

> >>>>>> debilitating as years ago.

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> I skipped the aromatase inhibitor this morning and already feel

> >>> a bit

> >>>>>> better. I asked if this is what I have to look forward to in

> >>> menopause. He

> >>>>>> said no because I will be on natural HRT. It seems fibro pain

> >>> isn't always

> >>>>>> fibro!

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Kenda

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> Something to keep in mind is that Fibromyalgia is a

> >>>>>>>> Syndrome, not a disease . . . A Syndrome is a

> >>>>>>>> collection of symptoms that have enough in common to

> >>>>>>>> be given a name.

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> I'm convinced that there are a number of causes for

> >>>>>>>> Fibromyalgia . . . however, IMHO, they have one thing

> >>>>>>>> in cause . . . A trauma - accident, stress, illness -

> >>>>>>>> that caused a disturbance in ones sleep cycle.

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> They've found that FM can be induced in anyone by

> >>>>>>>> depriving them of enough sleep. However, when caught

> >>>>>>>> up on sleep, FM symptoms disappear for most people.

> >>>>>>>> However, if one is prone to FM, they keep the

> >>>>>>>> symptoms! I bet those study participants who kept FM

> >>>>>>>> will never forget that study!

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> Over the years, all my FM symptoms have disappeared,

> >>>>>>>> except that, without a small amount of prescription

> >>>>>>>> medication, I don't get sufficient deep sleep. I've

> >>>>>>>> gone off the medication to see what happens . . .

> >>>>>>>> Nothing happened, except, I woke every time my hubby

> >>>>>>>> stirs.

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> Personally, I think it's important to put all the

> >>>>>>>> diagnoses aside. Take only medications that you KNOW

> >>>>>>>> is helping, do everything possible to give your body

> >>>>>>>> what it needs, while eliminating the stuff that harms

> >>>>>>>> it. The human body has incredible healing powers! It

> >>>>>>>> takes time, discipline and patience to let it do it's

> >>>>>>>> work!

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> However, when faced with a life of pain and

> >>>>>>>> disability, we really have no choice but to take care

> >>>>>>>> of our health the best we possibly can!

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> To do otherwise is self-destructive.

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> Hugs and prayers,

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> Rogene

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

> >>> given by

> >>>>>>> licensed

> >>>>>>> health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed

> >>> health care

> >>>>>>> professional before commencing any medical treatment.

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

> >>> mislead you.

> >>>>>>> Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about

> >>> how to live a

> >>>>>>> happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus

> >>> ing, two-time

> >>>>>>> Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> >>>>>>>

October 5, 2005

Hi patty

Are you recovered from the root canal pain now? I hope so, I know

this has been no picnic. As for the joint pain and headache, I bet

anything it was prompted by the messed up menstrual cycle. This is

what happens in perimenopause. You get longer apart cycles, then

you get closer together cycles, then skip some, then you have heavy

bleeding, then spotting and everything in between. Every time I had

a period, it would start and stop. Every time it would be the day

before starting, I would get a terrible headache. I would think it

was over and then start feeling majorly irritable and tired, only to

find it started up again. Everyone is different, but my sister --a

nurse--has talked to every patient who is menopausal and every one

of them has found it hard to deal with in some way. It was like a

burden lifted when I finally realized that alot of my symptoms were

being made worse by the hormone fluctuation. My doctor explained to

me that you could test your hormones one day and find the estrogen

really low, a few days later it might be high. The ovaries are

functioning erratically as they near the end of their useful

production. Progesterone usually bottoms out first, leaving us

sometimes with estrogenic overload, and then a few days later, the

estrogen sputters too. Often the testosterone has dropped to very

low levels also. Testosterone affects muscle, sex drive, etc. Even

if it is a rough time in our lives, it is still nice to know what's

causing it. I finally realized that alot of my terrible depression

was also being driven by my hormone problems.

Hugs, kathy

> > > I have a strange one to add to this, for anyone suffering with

> > fibro pain.

> > > As you know, I have been fibro-pain free for several years.

> Just

> > last week

> > > I developed the same debilitating pain I had been free of for

so

> > long.

> > > Freaked, I saw Dr. Leu today. My estrogen has been high in

the

> > past so I

> > > was put on an aromatase inhibitor a couple of weeks ago to

bring

> > it down.

> > > Evidently, it brought my estrogen down too low, which

triggered

> > menopausal

> > > symptoms -- hot flashes and night sweats, which I had not

> previous

> > > developed. The fibro symptoms I had this past week were as a

> > result of too

> > > little estrogen in my body! My IC flared horribly as well.

So,

> > for anyone

> > > suffering fibro symptoms with known hormone problems, you

might

> > want to go

> > > see an ND and get a hormone test to see if it could be low

> > estrogen causing

> > > your fibro pain. The pain I felt during the past week was

just

> as

> > bad and

> > > debilitating as years ago.

> > >

> > > I skipped the aromatase inhibitor this morning and already

feel

> a

> > bit

> > > better. I asked if this is what I have to look forward to in

> > menopause. He

> > > said no because I will be on natural HRT. It seems fibro pain

> > isn't always

> > > fibro!

> > >

> > > Kenda

> > >

> > > >>

> > > >> Something to keep in mind is that Fibromyalgia is a

> > > >> Syndrome, not a disease . . . A Syndrome is a

> > > >> collection of symptoms that have enough in common to

> > > >> be given a name.

> > > >>

> > > >> I'm convinced that there are a number of causes for

> > > >> Fibromyalgia . . . however, IMHO, they have one thing

> > > >> in cause . . . A trauma - accident, stress, illness -

> > > >> that caused a disturbance in ones sleep cycle.

> > > >>

> > > >> They've found that FM can be induced in anyone by

> > > >> depriving them of enough sleep. However, when caught

> > > >> up on sleep, FM symptoms disappear for most people.

> > > >> However, if one is prone to FM, they keep the

> > > >> symptoms! I bet those study participants who kept FM

> > > >> will never forget that study!

> > > >>

> > > >> Over the years, all my FM symptoms have disappeared,

> > > >> except that, without a small amount of prescription

> > > >> medication, I don't get sufficient deep sleep. I've

> > > >> gone off the medication to see what happens . . .

> > > >> Nothing happened, except, I woke every time my hubby

> > > >> stirs.

> > > >>

> > > >> Personally, I think it's important to put all the

> > > >> diagnoses aside. Take only medications that you KNOW

> > > >> is helping, do everything possible to give your body

> > > >> what it needs, while eliminating the stuff that harms

> > > >> it. The human body has incredible healing powers! It

> > > >> takes time, discipline and patience to let it do it's

> > > >> work!

> > > >>

> > > >> However, when faced with a life of pain and

> > > >> disability, we really have no choice but to take care

> > > >> of our health the best we possibly can!

> > > >>

> > > >> To do otherwise is self-destructive.

> > > >>

> > > >> Hugs and prayers,

> > > >>

> > > >> Rogene

> > > >

> > > > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

> > given by licensed

> > > > health care professionals. Consult your physician or

licensed

> > health care

> > > > professional before commencing any medical treatment.

> > > >

> > > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the

politicians

> > mislead you.

> > > > Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions

about

> > how to live a

> > > > happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus

> ing,

> > two-time

> > > > Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> > > >

October 5, 2005

-

Oh, Rogene, I love you! You always make me laugh. And you are

the " coolest " old lady I know!

Hugs, kathy

-- In , Rogene S <saxony01@y...> wrote:

> Molly and Kathy . . .

>

> You BOTH make ME feel old . . . Both of you are my

> daughter's age!

>

> Hugs,

>

> Rogene

October 6, 2005

Hi Kathy,

Is your doctor an ND? My ND and my MD differ totally on hormones. My MD

says exactly what you have written here, that testing is pointless because

hormones are fluctuating so much. If it becomes too much to handle we can

either go on the birth control pill or HRT. My ND believes in testing and

trying to balance out the hormones. He believes that changing cycles is a

symptom that needs to be treated.

Kenda

>

> Hi patty

> Are you recovered from the root canal pain now? I hope so, I know

> this has been no picnic. As for the joint pain and headache, I bet

> anything it was prompted by the messed up menstrual cycle. This is

> what happens in perimenopause. You get longer apart cycles, then

> you get closer together cycles, then skip some, then you have heavy

> bleeding, then spotting and everything in between. Every time I had

> a period, it would start and stop. Every time it would be the day

> before starting, I would get a terrible headache. I would think it

> was over and then start feeling majorly irritable and tired, only to

> find it started up again. Everyone is different, but my sister --a

> nurse--has talked to every patient who is menopausal and every one

> of them has found it hard to deal with in some way. It was like a

> burden lifted when I finally realized that alot of my symptoms were

> being made worse by the hormone fluctuation. My doctor explained to

> me that you could test your hormones one day and find the estrogen

> really low, a few days later it might be high. The ovaries are

> functioning erratically as they near the end of their useful

> production. Progesterone usually bottoms out first, leaving us

> sometimes with estrogenic overload, and then a few days later, the

> estrogen sputters too. Often the testosterone has dropped to very

> low levels also. Testosterone affects muscle, sex drive, etc. Even

> if it is a rough time in our lives, it is still nice to know what's

> causing it. I finally realized that alot of my terrible depression

> was also being driven by my hormone problems.

> Hugs, kathy

>

>>>> I have a strange one to add to this, for anyone suffering with

>>> fibro pain.

>>>> As you know, I have been fibro-pain free for several years.

>> Just

>>> last week

>>>> I developed the same debilitating pain I had been free of for

> so

>>> long.

>>>> Freaked, I saw Dr. Leu today. My estrogen has been high in

> the

>>> past so I

>>>> was put on an aromatase inhibitor a couple of weeks ago to

> bring

>>> it down.

>>>> Evidently, it brought my estrogen down too low, which

> triggered

>>> menopausal

>>>> symptoms -- hot flashes and night sweats, which I had not

>> previous

>>>> developed. The fibro symptoms I had this past week were as a

>>> result of too

>>>> little estrogen in my body! My IC flared horribly as well.

> So,

>>> for anyone

>>>> suffering fibro symptoms with known hormone problems, you

> might

>>> want to go

>>>> see an ND and get a hormone test to see if it could be low

>>> estrogen causing

>>>> your fibro pain. The pain I felt during the past week was

> just

>> as

>>> bad and

>>>> debilitating as years ago.

>>>>

>>>> I skipped the aromatase inhibitor this morning and already

> feel

>> a

>>> bit

>>>> better. I asked if this is what I have to look forward to in

>>> menopause. He

>>>> said no because I will be on natural HRT. It seems fibro pain

>>> isn't always

>>>> fibro!

>>>>

>>>> Kenda

>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Something to keep in mind is that Fibromyalgia is a

>>>>>> Syndrome, not a disease . . . A Syndrome is a

>>>>>> collection of symptoms that have enough in common to

>>>>>> be given a name.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I'm convinced that there are a number of causes for

>>>>>> Fibromyalgia . . . however, IMHO, they have one thing

>>>>>> in cause . . . A trauma - accident, stress, illness -

>>>>>> that caused a disturbance in ones sleep cycle.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> They've found that FM can be induced in anyone by

>>>>>> depriving them of enough sleep. However, when caught

>>>>>> up on sleep, FM symptoms disappear for most people.

>>>>>> However, if one is prone to FM, they keep the

>>>>>> symptoms! I bet those study participants who kept FM

>>>>>> will never forget that study!

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Over the years, all my FM symptoms have disappeared,

>>>>>> except that, without a small amount of prescription

>>>>>> medication, I don't get sufficient deep sleep. I've

>>>>>> gone off the medication to see what happens . . .

>>>>>> Nothing happened, except, I woke every time my hubby

>>>>>> stirs.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Personally, I think it's important to put all the

>>>>>> diagnoses aside. Take only medications that you KNOW

>>>>>> is helping, do everything possible to give your body

>>>>>> what it needs, while eliminating the stuff that harms

>>>>>> it. The human body has incredible healing powers! It

>>>>>> takes time, discipline and patience to let it do it's

>>>>>> work!

>>>>>>

>>>>>> However, when faced with a life of pain and

>>>>>> disability, we really have no choice but to take care

>>>>>> of our health the best we possibly can!

>>>>>>

>>>>>> To do otherwise is self-destructive.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Hugs and prayers,

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Rogene

>>>>>

>>>>> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

>>> given by licensed

>>>>> health care professionals. Consult your physician or

> licensed

>>> health care

>>>>> professional before commencing any medical treatment.

>>>>>

>>>>> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the

> politicians

>>> mislead you.

>>>>> Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions

> about

>>> how to live a

>>>>> happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus

>> ing,

>>> two-time

>>>>> Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

>>>>>

October 6, 2005

Hi Kathy!

Thanks for your letter. Gee, hmmmmmmm, sounds like I might be in

perimenopause. Blast! I was hoping that it would still be at least

5 years down the road!

My root canal saga will be over on Oct 10, hopefully. That is the

day I get the final gutta percha filling in my last tooth. I am pain

free, thankfully.

You are such a knowledgeable person on this hormone stuff!

Everything you said has made sense. I think my implant ordeal has

taken a toll on my hormones in the long run, which I know is true

regarding the thyroid issue, but it seems that it is going to be

true regarding my reproductive hormones as well. My mother didnt'

go into menopause until she was in her 50's and she said it was a

piece of cake. So far, this has not been fun for me, as my

headaches are occuring more and more frequently. They aren't

debilitating to the point of being bedridden, but they sure do make

my life less joyful waking up with them often.

I am wondering if our cabin has anything to do with it as well....it

sits at 9000 feet in altitude, which is pretty high up there, and I

am sure the oxygen is a little thinner! We've been going up every

weekend, and I always notice a headache developing once we get there.

So, Kathy, what are you doing for your hormone fluctuations? Are

you on DHEA? This time I'm looking to you for advice!

Hugs,

Patty

> > > > I have a strange one to add to this, for anyone suffering

with

> > > fibro pain.

> > > > As you know, I have been fibro-pain free for several years.

> > Just

> > > last week

> > > > I developed the same debilitating pain I had been free of

for

> so

> > > long.

> > > > Freaked, I saw Dr. Leu today. My estrogen has been high in

> the

> > > past so I

> > > > was put on an aromatase inhibitor a couple of weeks ago to

> bring

> > > it down.

> > > > Evidently, it brought my estrogen down too low, which

> triggered

> > > menopausal

> > > > symptoms -- hot flashes and night sweats, which I had not

> > previous

> > > > developed. The fibro symptoms I had this past week were as

a

> > > result of too

> > > > little estrogen in my body! My IC flared horribly as well.

> So,

> > > for anyone

> > > > suffering fibro symptoms with known hormone problems, you

> might

> > > want to go

> > > > see an ND and get a hormone test to see if it could be low

> > > estrogen causing

> > > > your fibro pain. The pain I felt during the past week was

> just

> > as

> > > bad and

> > > > debilitating as years ago.

> > > >

> > > > I skipped the aromatase inhibitor this morning and already

> feel

> > a

> > > bit

> > > > better. I asked if this is what I have to look forward to

in

> > > menopause. He

> > > > said no because I will be on natural HRT. It seems fibro

pain

> > > isn't always

> > > > fibro!

> > > >

> > > > Kenda

> > > >

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Something to keep in mind is that Fibromyalgia is a

> > > > >> Syndrome, not a disease . . . A Syndrome is a

> > > > >> collection of symptoms that have enough in common to

> > > > >> be given a name.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> I'm convinced that there are a number of causes for

> > > > >> Fibromyalgia . . . however, IMHO, they have one thing

> > > > >> in cause . . . A trauma - accident, stress, illness -

> > > > >> that caused a disturbance in ones sleep cycle.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> They've found that FM can be induced in anyone by

> > > > >> depriving them of enough sleep. However, when caught

> > > > >> up on sleep, FM symptoms disappear for most people.

> > > > >> However, if one is prone to FM, they keep the

> > > > >> symptoms! I bet those study participants who kept FM

> > > > >> will never forget that study!

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Over the years, all my FM symptoms have disappeared,

> > > > >> except that, without a small amount of prescription

> > > > >> medication, I don't get sufficient deep sleep. I've

> > > > >> gone off the medication to see what happens . . .

> > > > >> Nothing happened, except, I woke every time my hubby

> > > > >> stirs.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Personally, I think it's important to put all the

> > > > >> diagnoses aside. Take only medications that you KNOW

> > > > >> is helping, do everything possible to give your body

> > > > >> what it needs, while eliminating the stuff that harms

> > > > >> it. The human body has incredible healing powers! It

> > > > >> takes time, discipline and patience to let it do it's

> > > > >> work!

> > > > >>

> > > > >> However, when faced with a life of pain and

> > > > >> disability, we really have no choice but to take care

> > > > >> of our health the best we possibly can!

> > > > >>

> > > > >> To do otherwise is self-destructive.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Hugs and prayers,

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Rogene

> > > > >

> > > > > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of

advice

> > > given by licensed

> > > > > health care professionals. Consult your physician or

> licensed

> > > health care

> > > > > professional before commencing any medical treatment.

> > > > >

> > > > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the

> politicians

> > > mislead you.

> > > > > Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions

> about

> > > how to live a

> > > > > happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus

> > ing,

> > > two-time

> > > > > Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> > > > >

October 6, 2005

Yesh I know what you mean, it is a little scary. But going through menopause at

the same time having silicone poisoning. was the absolute worst experience of my

life. My doctor is very progressive and she says the cancer and heart disease

is caused by the synthetic hormones that women were on for the past 50 years.

She also says that you can't just slap on the same amount of hormone every day

that you have to replicate the best you can a normal cycle which means valleys

and peaks of the hormones. She has breast cancer patients on it and everything.

I just know it has helped my pain level which is a relief for me. I'm just ging

day by day. Hopefully you won't have a bad menopause some women don't. Ii don't

think I would have if I wouldn't have had the implants because my mother didn't

have a hard time. I think the implants severely disturb the hormone balance.

Love to all

Judi

October 6, 2005

Biodentical hormones are ones the come from plants(not horse urine or synthetic)

and are EXACTLY the same genetic makeup that our human hormones are. The

hormones from animals are not. Most women in the past 50 years have been on

Premerin which is a combination of Horse urine estrogen and a synthetic

progesterone. Not good for our bodies.

Love

judi

October 6, 2005

Hi Patty!

The altitude can definitely be making you sick. It can give you headaches,

body aches and even stomach distress. Dr. Leu has me give myself a 1/2 cc

vitamin B complex and 1/2 cc B-12 injection each day I'm at high elevations.

You can also try taking 1 regular aspirin a day or two before you leave for

the cabin and every day you are in the mountains to thin your blood.

Because you are going up and down the mountain so often but not staying

long, your body isn't having time to adjust to the altitude.

Kenda

> Hi Kathy!

> Thanks for your letter. Gee, hmmmmmmm, sounds like I might be in

> perimenopause. Blast! I was hoping that it would still be at least

> 5 years down the road!

>

> My root canal saga will be over on Oct 10, hopefully. That is the

> day I get the final gutta percha filling in my last tooth. I am pain

> free, thankfully.

>

> You are such a knowledgeable person on this hormone stuff!

> Everything you said has made sense. I think my implant ordeal has

> taken a toll on my hormones in the long run, which I know is true

> regarding the thyroid issue, but it seems that it is going to be

> true regarding my reproductive hormones as well. My mother didnt'

> go into menopause until she was in her 50's and she said it was a

> piece of cake. So far, this has not been fun for me, as my

> headaches are occuring more and more frequently. They aren't

> debilitating to the point of being bedridden, but they sure do make

> my life less joyful waking up with them often.

>

> I am wondering if our cabin has anything to do with it as well....it

> sits at 9000 feet in altitude, which is pretty high up there, and I

> am sure the oxygen is a little thinner! We've been going up every

> weekend, and I always notice a headache developing once we get there.

>

> So, Kathy, what are you doing for your hormone fluctuations? Are

> you on DHEA? This time I'm looking to you for advice!

> Hugs,

> Patty

>

>>>>> I have a strange one to add to this, for anyone suffering

> with

>>>> fibro pain.

>>>>> As you know, I have been fibro-pain free for several years.

>>> Just

>>>> last week

>>>>> I developed the same debilitating pain I had been free of

> for

>> so

>>>> long.

>>>>> Freaked, I saw Dr. Leu today. My estrogen has been high in

>> the

>>>> past so I

>>>>> was put on an aromatase inhibitor a couple of weeks ago to

>> bring

>>>> it down.

>>>>> Evidently, it brought my estrogen down too low, which

>> triggered

>>>> menopausal

>>>>> symptoms -- hot flashes and night sweats, which I had not

>>> previous

>>>>> developed. The fibro symptoms I had this past week were as

> a

>>>> result of too

>>>>> little estrogen in my body! My IC flared horribly as well.

>> So,

>>>> for anyone

>>>>> suffering fibro symptoms with known hormone problems, you

>> might

>>>> want to go

>>>>> see an ND and get a hormone test to see if it could be low

>>>> estrogen causing

>>>>> your fibro pain. The pain I felt during the past week was

>> just

>>> as

>>>> bad and

>>>>> debilitating as years ago.

>>>>>

>>>>> I skipped the aromatase inhibitor this morning and already

>> feel

>>> a

>>>> bit

>>>>> better. I asked if this is what I have to look forward to

> in

>>>> menopause. He

>>>>> said no because I will be on natural HRT. It seems fibro

> pain

>>>> isn't always

>>>>> fibro!

>>>>>

>>>>> Kenda

>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Something to keep in mind is that Fibromyalgia is a

>>>>>>> Syndrome, not a disease . . . A Syndrome is a

>>>>>>> collection of symptoms that have enough in common to

>>>>>>> be given a name.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> I'm convinced that there are a number of causes for

>>>>>>> Fibromyalgia . . . however, IMHO, they have one thing

>>>>>>> in cause . . . A trauma - accident, stress, illness -

>>>>>>> that caused a disturbance in ones sleep cycle.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> They've found that FM can be induced in anyone by

>>>>>>> depriving them of enough sleep. However, when caught

>>>>>>> up on sleep, FM symptoms disappear for most people.

>>>>>>> However, if one is prone to FM, they keep the

>>>>>>> symptoms! I bet those study participants who kept FM

>>>>>>> will never forget that study!

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Over the years, all my FM symptoms have disappeared,

>>>>>>> except that, without a small amount of prescription

>>>>>>> medication, I don't get sufficient deep sleep. I've

>>>>>>> gone off the medication to see what happens . . .

>>>>>>> Nothing happened, except, I woke every time my hubby

>>>>>>> stirs.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Personally, I think it's important to put all the

>>>>>>> diagnoses aside. Take only medications that you KNOW

>>>>>>> is helping, do everything possible to give your body

>>>>>>> what it needs, while eliminating the stuff that harms

>>>>>>> it. The human body has incredible healing powers! It

>>>>>>> takes time, discipline and patience to let it do it's

>>>>>>> work!

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> However, when faced with a life of pain and

>>>>>>> disability, we really have no choice but to take care

>>>>>>> of our health the best we possibly can!

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> To do otherwise is self-destructive.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Hugs and prayers,

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Rogene

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of

> advice

>>>> given by licensed

>>>>>> health care professionals. Consult your physician or

>> licensed

>>>> health care

>>>>>> professional before commencing any medical treatment.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the

>> politicians

>>>> mislead you.

>>>>>> Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions

>> about

>>>> how to live a

>>>>>> happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus

>>> ing,

>>>> two-time

>>>>>> Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

>>>>>>

October 6, 2005

Oh, ok. That's what I am taking too but my doctor has never referred to

them as Bioidentical. I am not taking (pre)gnant (mar)e's ur(ine) -- ever.

My mother is still on it and she is 70 years old!

Kenda

> Biodentical hormones are ones the come from plants(not horse urine or

> synthetic) and are EXACTLY the same genetic makeup that our human hormones

> are. The hormones from animals are not. Most women in the past 50 years have

> been on Premerin which is a combination of Horse urine estrogen and a

> synthetic progesterone. Not good for our bodies.

> Love

> judi

>

> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by licensed

> health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed health care

> professional before commencing any medical treatment.

>

> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you.

> Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live a

> happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing, two-time

> Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

>

October 6, 2005

Thank you Kenda!

I will definitely give myself some B-12 injections then! In fact, I

was just thinking about doing that yesterday. I have a supply left

over from when I used to take them, but haven't felt the need to in

quite awhile. I suddenly thought of it a couple of days ago,

wondering if it would help.

Thanks for the validation on my theory about the altitude. I am

glad to know that someone else has experienced this...it is always

so helpful to hear from others who have gone through it before.

I'll try the aspirin as well, although I am not too big on taking it

since I just got off all that stupid ibuprofen with my root canal.

I was worried about stomach issues from all those pills. My mother

has taken ibuprofen for years for arthritis, before she got her knee

replacements, (which was a big mistake in my opinion), and she now

has stomach issues. I think she had an ulcer, and now she can

hardly digest raw veggies very well at all. Of course, the knee

implants have messed her up healthwise more than before, which is

sad.

Thanks for the help!

Patty

> >>>>> I have a strange one to add to this, for anyone suffering

> > with

> >>>> fibro pain.

> >>>>> As you know, I have been fibro-pain free for several years.

> >>> Just

> >>>> last week

> >>>>> I developed the same debilitating pain I had been free of

> > for

> >> so

> >>>> long.

> >>>>> Freaked, I saw Dr. Leu today. My estrogen has been high in

> >> the

> >>>> past so I

> >>>>> was put on an aromatase inhibitor a couple of weeks ago to

> >> bring

> >>>> it down.

> >>>>> Evidently, it brought my estrogen down too low, which

> >> triggered

> >>>> menopausal

> >>>>> symptoms -- hot flashes and night sweats, which I had not

> >>> previous

> >>>>> developed. The fibro symptoms I had this past week were as

> > a

> >>>> result of too

> >>>>> little estrogen in my body! My IC flared horribly as well.

> >> So,

> >>>> for anyone

> >>>>> suffering fibro symptoms with known hormone problems, you

> >> might

> >>>> want to go

> >>>>> see an ND and get a hormone test to see if it could be low

> >>>> estrogen causing

> >>>>> your fibro pain. The pain I felt during the past week was

> >> just

> >>> as

> >>>> bad and

> >>>>> debilitating as years ago.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> I skipped the aromatase inhibitor this morning and already

> >> feel

> >>> a

> >>>> bit

> >>>>> better. I asked if this is what I have to look forward to

> > in

> >>>> menopause. He

> >>>>> said no because I will be on natural HRT. It seems fibro

> > pain

> >>>> isn't always

> >>>>> fibro!

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Kenda

> >>>>>

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Something to keep in mind is that Fibromyalgia is a

> >>>>>>> Syndrome, not a disease . . . A Syndrome is a

> >>>>>>> collection of symptoms that have enough in common to

> >>>>>>> be given a name.

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> I'm convinced that there are a number of causes for

> >>>>>>> Fibromyalgia . . . however, IMHO, they have one thing

> >>>>>>> in cause . . . A trauma - accident, stress, illness -

> >>>>>>> that caused a disturbance in ones sleep cycle.

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> They've found that FM can be induced in anyone by

> >>>>>>> depriving them of enough sleep. However, when caught

> >>>>>>> up on sleep, FM symptoms disappear for most people.

> >>>>>>> However, if one is prone to FM, they keep the

> >>>>>>> symptoms! I bet those study participants who kept FM

> >>>>>>> will never forget that study!

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Over the years, all my FM symptoms have disappeared,

> >>>>>>> except that, without a small amount of prescription

> >>>>>>> medication, I don't get sufficient deep sleep. I've

> >>>>>>> gone off the medication to see what happens . . .

> >>>>>>> Nothing happened, except, I woke every time my hubby

> >>>>>>> stirs.

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Personally, I think it's important to put all the

> >>>>>>> diagnoses aside. Take only medications that you KNOW

> >>>>>>> is helping, do everything possible to give your body

> >>>>>>> what it needs, while eliminating the stuff that harms

> >>>>>>> it. The human body has incredible healing powers! It

> >>>>>>> takes time, discipline and patience to let it do it's

> >>>>>>> work!

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> However, when faced with a life of pain and

> >>>>>>> disability, we really have no choice but to take care

> >>>>>>> of our health the best we possibly can!

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> To do otherwise is self-destructive.

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Hugs and prayers,

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Rogene

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of

> > advice

> >>>> given by licensed

> >>>>>> health care professionals. Consult your physician or

> >> licensed

> >>>> health care

> >>>>>> professional before commencing any medical treatment.

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the

> >> politicians

> >>>> mislead you.

> >>>>>> Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions

> >> about

> >>>> how to live a

> >>>>>> happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus

> >>> ing,

> >>>> two-time

> >>>>>> Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> >>>>>>

October 6, 2005

How can you get Vit B-12 injections?

-- In , " glory2glory1401 " <glory2glory1401@y...>

wrote:

> Thank you Kenda!

> I will definitely give myself some B-12 injections then! In fact, I

> was just thinking about doing that yesterday. I have a supply left

> over from when I used to take them, but haven't felt the need to in

> quite awhile. I suddenly thought of it a couple of days ago,

> wondering if it would help.

>

> Thanks for the validation on my theory about the altitude. I am

> glad to know that someone else has experienced this...it is always

> so helpful to hear from others who have gone through it before.

>

> I'll try the aspirin as well, although I am not too big on taking it

> since I just got off all that stupid ibuprofen with my root canal.

> I was worried about stomach issues from all those pills. My mother

> has taken ibuprofen for years for arthritis, before she got her knee

> replacements, (which was a big mistake in my opinion), and she now

> has stomach issues. I think she had an ulcer, and now she can

> hardly digest raw veggies very well at all. Of course, the knee

> implants have messed her up healthwise more than before, which is

> sad.

>

> Thanks for the help!

> Patty

>

> > >>>>> I have a strange one to add to this, for anyone suffering

> > > with

> > >>>> fibro pain.

> > >>>>> As you know, I have been fibro-pain free for several years.

> > >>> Just

> > >>>> last week

> > >>>>> I developed the same debilitating pain I had been free of

> > > for

> > >> so

> > >>>> long.

> > >>>>> Freaked, I saw Dr. Leu today. My estrogen has been high in

> > >> the

> > >>>> past so I

> > >>>>> was put on an aromatase inhibitor a couple of weeks ago to

> > >> bring

> > >>>> it down.

> > >>>>> Evidently, it brought my estrogen down too low, which

> > >> triggered

> > >>>> menopausal

> > >>>>> symptoms -- hot flashes and night sweats, which I had not

> > >>> previous

> > >>>>> developed. The fibro symptoms I had this past week were as

> > > a

> > >>>> result of too

> > >>>>> little estrogen in my body! My IC flared horribly as well.

> > >> So,

> > >>>> for anyone

> > >>>>> suffering fibro symptoms with known hormone problems, you

> > >> might

> > >>>> want to go

> > >>>>> see an ND and get a hormone test to see if it could be low

> > >>>> estrogen causing

> > >>>>> your fibro pain. The pain I felt during the past week was

> > >> just

> > >>> as

> > >>>> bad and

> > >>>>> debilitating as years ago.

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> I skipped the aromatase inhibitor this morning and already

> > >> feel

> > >>> a

> > >>>> bit

> > >>>>> better. I asked if this is what I have to look forward to

> > > in

> > >>>> menopause. He

> > >>>>> said no because I will be on natural HRT. It seems fibro

> > > pain

> > >>>> isn't always

> > >>>>> fibro!

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> Kenda

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> Something to keep in mind is that Fibromyalgia is a

> > >>>>>>> Syndrome, not a disease . . . A Syndrome is a

> > >>>>>>> collection of symptoms that have enough in common to

> > >>>>>>> be given a name.

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> I'm convinced that there are a number of causes for

> > >>>>>>> Fibromyalgia . . . however, IMHO, they have one thing

> > >>>>>>> in cause . . . A trauma - accident, stress, illness -

> > >>>>>>> that caused a disturbance in ones sleep cycle.

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> They've found that FM can be induced in anyone by

> > >>>>>>> depriving them of enough sleep. However, when caught

> > >>>>>>> up on sleep, FM symptoms disappear for most people.

> > >>>>>>> However, if one is prone to FM, they keep the

> > >>>>>>> symptoms! I bet those study participants who kept FM

> > >>>>>>> will never forget that study!

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> Over the years, all my FM symptoms have disappeared,

> > >>>>>>> except that, without a small amount of prescription

> > >>>>>>> medication, I don't get sufficient deep sleep. I've

> > >>>>>>> gone off the medication to see what happens . . .

> > >>>>>>> Nothing happened, except, I woke every time my hubby

> > >>>>>>> stirs.

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> Personally, I think it's important to put all the

> > >>>>>>> diagnoses aside. Take only medications that you KNOW

> > >>>>>>> is helping, do everything possible to give your body

> > >>>>>>> what it needs, while eliminating the stuff that harms

> > >>>>>>> it. The human body has incredible healing powers! It

> > >>>>>>> takes time, discipline and patience to let it do it's

> > >>>>>>> work!

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> However, when faced with a life of pain and

> > >>>>>>> disability, we really have no choice but to take care

> > >>>>>>> of our health the best we possibly can!

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> To do otherwise is self-destructive.

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> Hugs and prayers,

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> Rogene

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of

> > > advice

> > >>>> given by licensed

> > >>>>>> health care professionals. Consult your physician or

> > >> licensed

> > >>>> health care

> > >>>>>> professional before commencing any medical treatment.

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the

> > >> politicians

> > >>>> mislead you.

> > >>>>>> Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions

> > >> about

> > >>>> how to live a

> > >>>>>> happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus

> > >>> ing,

> > >>>> two-time

> > >>>>>> Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> > >>>>>>

October 6, 2005

I buy the bottles of B-12 and B-complex from either my chiropractor or my

ND. You can buy needles at any pharmacy.

Kenda

> How can you get Vit B-12 injections?

>

> -- In , " glory2glory1401 " <glory2glory1401@y...>

> wrote:

>> Thank you Kenda!

>> I will definitely give myself some B-12 injections then! In fact, I

>> was just thinking about doing that yesterday. I have a supply left

>> over from when I used to take them, but haven't felt the need to in

>> quite awhile. I suddenly thought of it a couple of days ago,

>> wondering if it would help.

>>

>> Thanks for the validation on my theory about the altitude. I am

>> glad to know that someone else has experienced this...it is always

>> so helpful to hear from others who have gone through it before.

>>

>> I'll try the aspirin as well, although I am not too big on taking it

>> since I just got off all that stupid ibuprofen with my root canal.

>> I was worried about stomach issues from all those pills. My mother

>> has taken ibuprofen for years for arthritis, before she got her knee

>> replacements, (which was a big mistake in my opinion), and she now

>> has stomach issues. I think she had an ulcer, and now she can

>> hardly digest raw veggies very well at all. Of course, the knee

>> implants have messed her up healthwise more than before, which is

>> sad.

>>

>> Thanks for the help!

>> Patty

>>

>>>>>>>> I have a strange one to add to this, for anyone suffering

>>>> with

>>>>>>> fibro pain.

>>>>>>>> As you know, I have been fibro-pain free for several years.

>>>>>> Just

>>>>>>> last week

>>>>>>>> I developed the same debilitating pain I had been free of

>>>> for

>>>>> so

>>>>>>> long.

>>>>>>>> Freaked, I saw Dr. Leu today. My estrogen has been high in

>>>>> the

>>>>>>> past so I

>>>>>>>> was put on an aromatase inhibitor a couple of weeks ago to

>>>>> bring

>>>>>>> it down.

>>>>>>>> Evidently, it brought my estrogen down too low, which

>>>>> triggered

>>>>>>> menopausal

>>>>>>>> symptoms -- hot flashes and night sweats, which I had not

>>>>>> previous

>>>>>>>> developed. The fibro symptoms I had this past week were as

>>>> a

>>>>>>> result of too

>>>>>>>> little estrogen in my body! My IC flared horribly as well.

>>>>> So,

>>>>>>> for anyone

>>>>>>>> suffering fibro symptoms with known hormone problems, you

>>>>> might

>>>>>>> want to go

>>>>>>>> see an ND and get a hormone test to see if it could be low

>>>>>>> estrogen causing

>>>>>>>> your fibro pain. The pain I felt during the past week was

>>>>> just

>>>>>> as

>>>>>>> bad and

>>>>>>>> debilitating as years ago.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> I skipped the aromatase inhibitor this morning and already

>>>>> feel

>>>>>> a

>>>>>>> bit

>>>>>>>> better. I asked if this is what I have to look forward to

>>>> in

>>>>>>> menopause. He

>>>>>>>> said no because I will be on natural HRT. It seems fibro

>>>> pain

>>>>>>> isn't always

>>>>>>>> fibro!

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Kenda

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Something to keep in mind is that Fibromyalgia is a

>>>>>>>>>> Syndrome, not a disease . . . A Syndrome is a

>>>>>>>>>> collection of symptoms that have enough in common to

>>>>>>>>>> be given a name.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> I'm convinced that there are a number of causes for

>>>>>>>>>> Fibromyalgia . . . however, IMHO, they have one thing

>>>>>>>>>> in cause . . . A trauma - accident, stress, illness -

>>>>>>>>>> that caused a disturbance in ones sleep cycle.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> They've found that FM can be induced in anyone by

>>>>>>>>>> depriving them of enough sleep. However, when caught

>>>>>>>>>> up on sleep, FM symptoms disappear for most people.

>>>>>>>>>> However, if one is prone to FM, they keep the

>>>>>>>>>> symptoms! I bet those study participants who kept FM

>>>>>>>>>> will never forget that study!

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Over the years, all my FM symptoms have disappeared,

>>>>>>>>>> except that, without a small amount of prescription

>>>>>>>>>> medication, I don't get sufficient deep sleep. I've

>>>>>>>>>> gone off the medication to see what happens . . .

>>>>>>>>>> Nothing happened, except, I woke every time my hubby

>>>>>>>>>> stirs.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Personally, I think it's important to put all the

>>>>>>>>>> diagnoses aside. Take only medications that you KNOW

>>>>>>>>>> is helping, do everything possible to give your body

>>>>>>>>>> what it needs, while eliminating the stuff that harms

>>>>>>>>>> it. The human body has incredible healing powers! It

>>>>>>>>>> takes time, discipline and patience to let it do it's

>>>>>>>>>> work!

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> However, when faced with a life of pain and

>>>>>>>>>> disability, we really have no choice but to take care

>>>>>>>>>> of our health the best we possibly can!

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> To do otherwise is self-destructive.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Hugs and prayers,

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Rogene

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of

>>>> advice

>>>>>>> given by licensed

>>>>>>>>> health care professionals. Consult your physician or

>>>>> licensed

>>>>>>> health care

>>>>>>>>> professional before commencing any medical treatment.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the

>>>>> politicians

>>>>>>> mislead you.

>>>>>>>>> Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions

>>>>> about

>>>>>>> how to live a

>>>>>>>>> happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus

>>>>>> ing,

>>>>>>> two-time

>>>>>>>>> Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

>>>>>>>>>

October 6, 2005

My ob-gyn believes that testing is pointless. That is mostly

because they believe in blood testing and not saliva testing.

Saliva testing supposedly shows more of the big picture. My woman's

health doctor did the saliva testing and I went on progesterone

cream and oral progesterone. they did stop the hot flashes. but

like you, I am afraid of getting too much built up, so I went off of

it myself. My estradiol was very low but not in menopause. She

gave me Bi-est which is a compounded bioidentical hormone. However,

this is so strange. Each time I have tried it, it made my right

breast get constant funny sensations in it--allmost like an itch. I

decided that since estrogen causes cells to divide that perhaps I

shouldn't be on it. I know for some women hormone balancing is

easier than with others. I think it depends to what extent we are

sensitive to hormone and perhaps how wildly they fluctuate. Hot

flashes started up again recently and I went back on progesterone

cream. That wasn't enough so I started up the oral. Sure enough,

after 3 weeks, they stopped. I went off the oral again. I would

rather spot treat my symptoms while in perimenopause and then see

where I am after menopause after my hormones have bottomed out and

stabilized. That makes sense for me. But I definitely do believe

in getting your hormones as balanced as you can ---which may require

often monitoring--because hormones affect our feeling of wellbeing

and our health so much.

Hugs, kathy

> >>>> I have a strange one to add to this, for anyone suffering with

> >>> fibro pain.

> >>>> As you know, I have been fibro-pain free for several years.

> >> Just

> >>> last week

> >>>> I developed the same debilitating pain I had been free of for

> > so

> >>> long.

> >>>> Freaked, I saw Dr. Leu today. My estrogen has been high in

> > the

> >>> past so I

> >>>> was put on an aromatase inhibitor a couple of weeks ago to

> > bring

> >>> it down.

> >>>> Evidently, it brought my estrogen down too low, which

> > triggered

> >>> menopausal

> >>>> symptoms -- hot flashes and night sweats, which I had not

> >> previous

> >>>> developed. The fibro symptoms I had this past week were as a

> >>> result of too

> >>>> little estrogen in my body! My IC flared horribly as well.

> > So,

> >>> for anyone

> >>>> suffering fibro symptoms with known hormone problems, you

> > might

> >>> want to go

> >>>> see an ND and get a hormone test to see if it could be low

> >>> estrogen causing

> >>>> your fibro pain. The pain I felt during the past week was

> > just

> >> as

> >>> bad and

> >>>> debilitating as years ago.

> >>>>

> >>>> I skipped the aromatase inhibitor this morning and already

> > feel

> >> a

> >>> bit

> >>>> better. I asked if this is what I have to look forward to in

> >>> menopause. He

> >>>> said no because I will be on natural HRT. It seems fibro pain

> >>> isn't always

> >>>> fibro!

> >>>>

> >>>> Kenda

> >>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Something to keep in mind is that Fibromyalgia is a

> >>>>>> Syndrome, not a disease . . . A Syndrome is a

> >>>>>> collection of symptoms that have enough in common to

> >>>>>> be given a name.

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> I'm convinced that there are a number of causes for

> >>>>>> Fibromyalgia . . . however, IMHO, they have one thing

> >>>>>> in cause . . . A trauma - accident, stress, illness -

> >>>>>> that caused a disturbance in ones sleep cycle.

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> They've found that FM can be induced in anyone by

> >>>>>> depriving them of enough sleep. However, when caught

> >>>>>> up on sleep, FM symptoms disappear for most people.

> >>>>>> However, if one is prone to FM, they keep the

> >>>>>> symptoms! I bet those study participants who kept FM

> >>>>>> will never forget that study!

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Over the years, all my FM symptoms have disappeared,

> >>>>>> except that, without a small amount of prescription

> >>>>>> medication, I don't get sufficient deep sleep. I've

> >>>>>> gone off the medication to see what happens . . .

> >>>>>> Nothing happened, except, I woke every time my hubby

> >>>>>> stirs.

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Personally, I think it's important to put all the

> >>>>>> diagnoses aside. Take only medications that you KNOW

> >>>>>> is helping, do everything possible to give your body

> >>>>>> what it needs, while eliminating the stuff that harms

> >>>>>> it. The human body has incredible healing powers! It

> >>>>>> takes time, discipline and patience to let it do it's

> >>>>>> work!

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> However, when faced with a life of pain and

> >>>>>> disability, we really have no choice but to take care

> >>>>>> of our health the best we possibly can!

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> To do otherwise is self-destructive.

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Hugs and prayers,

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Rogene

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

> >>> given by licensed

> >>>>> health care professionals. Consult your physician or

> > licensed

> >>> health care

> >>>>> professional before commencing any medical treatment.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the

> > politicians

> >>> mislead you.

> >>>>> Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions

> > about

> >>> how to live a

> >>>>> happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus

> >> ing,

> >>> two-time

> >>>>> Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> >>>>>

October 6, 2005

You need a prescription often to obtain needles from most pharmacies. When

I had to do allergy shots on my kids, I had to have a prescription for needles.

Lynda

At 08:32 PM 10/6/2005, you wrote:

>I buy the bottles of B-12 and B-complex from either my chiropractor or my

>ND. You can buy needles at any pharmacy.

>

>Kenda

>

> > How can you get Vit B-12 injections?

> >

> > -- In , " glory2glory1401 "

> <glory2glory1401@y...>

> > wrote:

> >> Thank you Kenda!

> >> I will definitely give myself some B-12 injections then! In fact, I

> >> was just thinking about doing that yesterday. I have a supply left

> >> over from when I used to take them, but haven't felt the need to in

> >> quite awhile. I suddenly thought of it a couple of days ago,

> >> wondering if it would help.

> >>

> >> Thanks for the validation on my theory about the altitude. I am

> >> glad to know that someone else has experienced this...it is always

> >> so helpful to hear from others who have gone through it before.

> >>

> >> I'll try the aspirin as well, although I am not too big on taking it

> >> since I just got off all that stupid ibuprofen with my root canal.

> >> I was worried about stomach issues from all those pills. My mother

> >> has taken ibuprofen for years for arthritis, before she got her knee

> >> replacements, (which was a big mistake in my opinion), and she now

> >> has stomach issues. I think she had an ulcer, and now she can

> >> hardly digest raw veggies very well at all. Of course, the knee

> >> implants have messed her up healthwise more than before, which is

> >> sad.

> >>

> >> Thanks for the help!

> >> Patty

> >>

> >>>>>>>> I have a strange one to add to this, for anyone suffering

> >>>> with

> >>>>>>> fibro pain.

> >>>>>>>> As you know, I have been fibro-pain free for several years.

> >>>>>> Just

> >>>>>>> last week

> >>>>>>>> I developed the same debilitating pain I had been free of

> >>>> for

> >>>>> so

> >>>>>>> long.

> >>>>>>>> Freaked, I saw Dr. Leu today. My estrogen has been high in

> >>>>> the

> >>>>>>> past so I

> >>>>>>>> was put on an aromatase inhibitor a couple of weeks ago to

> >>>>> bring

> >>>>>>> it down.

> >>>>>>>> Evidently, it brought my estrogen down too low, which

> >>>>> triggered

> >>>>>>> menopausal

> >>>>>>>> symptoms -- hot flashes and night sweats, which I had not

> >>>>>> previous

> >>>>>>>> developed. The fibro symptoms I had this past week were as

> >>>> a

> >>>>>>> result of too

> >>>>>>>> little estrogen in my body! My IC flared horribly as well.

> >>>>> So,

> >>>>>>> for anyone

> >>>>>>>> suffering fibro symptoms with known hormone problems, you

> >>>>> might

> >>>>>>> want to go

> >>>>>>>> see an ND and get a hormone test to see if it could be low

> >>>>>>> estrogen causing

> >>>>>>>> your fibro pain. The pain I felt during the past week was

> >>>>> just

> >>>>>> as

> >>>>>>> bad and

> >>>>>>>> debilitating as years ago.

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> I skipped the aromatase inhibitor this morning and already

> >>>>> feel

> >>>>>> a

> >>>>>>> bit

> >>>>>>>> better. I asked if this is what I have to look forward to

> >>>> in

> >>>>>>> menopause. He

> >>>>>>>> said no because I will be on natural HRT. It seems fibro

> >>>> pain

> >>>>>>> isn't always

> >>>>>>>> fibro!

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> Kenda

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> Something to keep in mind is that Fibromyalgia is a

> >>>>>>>>>> Syndrome, not a disease . . . A Syndrome is a

> >>>>>>>>>> collection of symptoms that have enough in common to

> >>>>>>>>>> be given a name.

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> I'm convinced that there are a number of causes for

> >>>>>>>>>> Fibromyalgia . . . however, IMHO, they have one thing

> >>>>>>>>>> in cause . . . A trauma - accident, stress, illness -

> >>>>>>>>>> that caused a disturbance in ones sleep cycle.

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> They've found that FM can be induced in anyone by

> >>>>>>>>>> depriving them of enough sleep. However, when caught

> >>>>>>>>>> up on sleep, FM symptoms disappear for most people.

> >>>>>>>>>> However, if one is prone to FM, they keep the

> >>>>>>>>>> symptoms! I bet those study participants who kept FM

> >>>>>>>>>> will never forget that study!

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> Over the years, all my FM symptoms have disappeared,

> >>>>>>>>>> except that, without a small amount of prescription

> >>>>>>>>>> medication, I don't get sufficient deep sleep. I've

> >>>>>>>>>> gone off the medication to see what happens . . .

> >>>>>>>>>> Nothing happened, except, I woke every time my hubby

> >>>>>>>>>> stirs.

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> Personally, I think it's important to put all the

> >>>>>>>>>> diagnoses aside. Take only medications that you KNOW

> >>>>>>>>>> is helping, do everything possible to give your body

> >>>>>>>>>> what it needs, while eliminating the stuff that harms

> >>>>>>>>>> it. The human body has incredible healing powers! It

> >>>>>>>>>> takes time, discipline and patience to let it do it's

> >>>>>>>>>> work!

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> However, when faced with a life of pain and

> >>>>>>>>>> disability, we really have no choice but to take care

> >>>>>>>>>> of our health the best we possibly can!

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> To do otherwise is self-destructive.

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> Hugs and prayers,

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> Rogene

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of

> >>>> advice

> >>>>>>> given by licensed

> >>>>>>>>> health care professionals. Consult your physician or

> >>>>> licensed

> >>>>>>> health care

> >>>>>>>>> professional before commencing any medical treatment.

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the

> >>>>> politicians

> >>>>>>> mislead you.

> >>>>>>>>> Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions

> >>>>> about

> >>>>>>> how to live a

> >>>>>>>>> happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus

> >>>>>> ing,

> >>>>>>> two-time

> >>>>>>>>> Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> >>>>>>>>>

October 6, 2005

Maybe laws differ state to state. In Oklahoma, no prescription is needed.

Kenda

> You need a prescription often to obtain needles from most pharmacies. When

> I had to do allergy shots on my kids, I had to have a prescription for

> needles.

>

> Lynda

>

> At 08:32 PM 10/6/2005, you wrote:

>> I buy the bottles of B-12 and B-complex from either my chiropractor or my

>> ND. You can buy needles at any pharmacy.

>>

>> Kenda

>>

>>> How can you get Vit B-12 injections?

>>>

>>> -- In , " glory2glory1401 "

>> <glory2glory1401@y...>

>>> wrote:

>>>> Thank you Kenda!

>>>> I will definitely give myself some B-12 injections then! In fact, I

>>>> was just thinking about doing that yesterday. I have a supply left

>>>> over from when I used to take them, but haven't felt the need to in

>>>> quite awhile. I suddenly thought of it a couple of days ago,

>>>> wondering if it would help.

>>>>

>>>> Thanks for the validation on my theory about the altitude. I am

>>>> glad to know that someone else has experienced this...it is always

>>>> so helpful to hear from others who have gone through it before.

>>>>

>>>> I'll try the aspirin as well, although I am not too big on taking it

>>>> since I just got off all that stupid ibuprofen with my root canal.

>>>> I was worried about stomach issues from all those pills. My mother

>>>> has taken ibuprofen for years for arthritis, before she got her knee

>>>> replacements, (which was a big mistake in my opinion), and she now

>>>> has stomach issues. I think she had an ulcer, and now she can

>>>> hardly digest raw veggies very well at all. Of course, the knee

>>>> implants have messed her up healthwise more than before, which is

>>>> sad.

>>>>

>>>> Thanks for the help!

>>>> Patty

>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> I have a strange one to add to this, for anyone suffering

>>>>>> with

>>>>>>>>> fibro pain.

>>>>>>>>>> As you know, I have been fibro-pain free for several years.

>>>>>>>> Just

>>>>>>>>> last week

>>>>>>>>>> I developed the same debilitating pain I had been free of

>>>>>> for

>>>>>>> so

>>>>>>>>> long.

>>>>>>>>>> Freaked, I saw Dr. Leu today. My estrogen has been high in

>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>>> past so I

>>>>>>>>>> was put on an aromatase inhibitor a couple of weeks ago to

>>>>>>> bring

>>>>>>>>> it down.

>>>>>>>>>> Evidently, it brought my estrogen down too low, which

>>>>>>> triggered

>>>>>>>>> menopausal

>>>>>>>>>> symptoms -- hot flashes and night sweats, which I had not

>>>>>>>> previous

>>>>>>>>>> developed. The fibro symptoms I had this past week were as

>>>>>> a

>>>>>>>>> result of too

>>>>>>>>>> little estrogen in my body! My IC flared horribly as well.

>>>>>>> So,

>>>>>>>>> for anyone

>>>>>>>>>> suffering fibro symptoms with known hormone problems, you

>>>>>>> might

>>>>>>>>> want to go

>>>>>>>>>> see an ND and get a hormone test to see if it could be low

>>>>>>>>> estrogen causing

>>>>>>>>>> your fibro pain. The pain I felt during the past week was

>>>>>>> just

>>>>>>>> as

>>>>>>>>> bad and

>>>>>>>>>> debilitating as years ago.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> I skipped the aromatase inhibitor this morning and already

>>>>>>> feel

>>>>>>>> a

>>>>>>>>> bit

>>>>>>>>>> better. I asked if this is what I have to look forward to

>>>>>> in

>>>>>>>>> menopause. He

>>>>>>>>>> said no because I will be on natural HRT. It seems fibro

>>>>>> pain

>>>>>>>>> isn't always

>>>>>>>>>> fibro!

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Kenda

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Something to keep in mind is that Fibromyalgia is a

>>>>>>>>>>>> Syndrome, not a disease . . . A Syndrome is a

>>>>>>>>>>>> collection of symptoms that have enough in common to

>>>>>>>>>>>> be given a name.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm convinced that there are a number of causes for

>>>>>>>>>>>> Fibromyalgia . . . however, IMHO, they have one thing

>>>>>>>>>>>> in cause . . . A trauma - accident, stress, illness -

>>>>>>>>>>>> that caused a disturbance in ones sleep cycle.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> They've found that FM can be induced in anyone by

>>>>>>>>>>>> depriving them of enough sleep. However, when caught

>>>>>>>>>>>> up on sleep, FM symptoms disappear for most people.

>>>>>>>>>>>> However, if one is prone to FM, they keep the

>>>>>>>>>>>> symptoms! I bet those study participants who kept FM

>>>>>>>>>>>> will never forget that study!

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Over the years, all my FM symptoms have disappeared,

>>>>>>>>>>>> except that, without a small amount of prescription

>>>>>>>>>>>> medication, I don't get sufficient deep sleep. I've

>>>>>>>>>>>> gone off the medication to see what happens . . .

>>>>>>>>>>>> Nothing happened, except, I woke every time my hubby

>>>>>>>>>>>> stirs.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Personally, I think it's important to put all the

>>>>>>>>>>>> diagnoses aside. Take only medications that you KNOW

>>>>>>>>>>>> is helping, do everything possible to give your body

>>>>>>>>>>>> what it needs, while eliminating the stuff that harms

>>>>>>>>>>>> it. The human body has incredible healing powers! It

>>>>>>>>>>>> takes time, discipline and patience to let it do it's

>>>>>>>>>>>> work!

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> However, when faced with a life of pain and

>>>>>>>>>>>> disability, we really have no choice but to take care

>>>>>>>>>>>> of our health the best we possibly can!

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> To do otherwise is self-destructive.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Hugs and prayers,

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Rogene

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of

>>>>>> advice

>>>>>>>>> given by licensed

>>>>>>>>>>> health care professionals. Consult your physician or

>>>>>>> licensed

>>>>>>>>> health care

>>>>>>>>>>> professional before commencing any medical treatment.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the

>>>>>>> politicians

>>>>>>>>> mislead you.

>>>>>>>>>>> Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions

>>>>>>> about

>>>>>>>>> how to live a

>>>>>>>>>>> happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus

>>>>>>>> ing,

>>>>>>>>> two-time

>>>>>>>>>>> Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

>>>>>>>>>>>

October 6, 2005

-

Hi Patty

I had my dhea tested and it was a little low. So I took an oral

progesterone with 10mg dhea. I did this for a month or two and went

off. I was fine for several months and the hot flashes started

again. I went back on the oral and they stopped again. I am also

using the cream--I got these from a compounding pharmacy. Because I

get concerned the progesterone might build up too much, I tend not

to use it all the time. I am supposed to go back to my doctor

sometime soon, but probably won't until I feel the need. Saliva

testing is definitely helpful--they can test cortisol, dhea, gliadan

antibodies, estrogen, testosterone, progesterone. My testosterone

was real low, my progesterone was the worst, and my estrogen was

borderline. that was a year ago.

I would suggest you get the testing done to see where you are at. I

think trying the natural bioidenticals are safe to use when they are

testing you. I also have some estriol vaginal suppositories but

haven't been using them. I think I might soon to see what I think

about them. I will be going back to get retested soon. Just don't

want to because they want to redo my other blood tests which bummed

me out so bad last year. I am not ready to get those done yet. If

they aren't improved I think I would be demolished. I think they

will be but am not sure. Want to give it a little longer.

Definitely though, I would get tested. The increase in headaches is

an exceedingly common perimenopause symptom. seems to get

less headaches when she even takes 2 or 3 living multi's women's

formula a day--Garden of Life. It has maca in it and it supposedly

helps with hormonal and thyroid, adrenal, etc. She is a teen with

messed up hormones and lots of migraines. I just ordered some

maca. I will let

you know if I think it makes a difference. Maca supposedly affects

thyroid too. I also have to agree that something with going to your

cabin may be causing headaches also--changes in altitude sound like

a good possibility.

Hugs, kathy

-- In , " glory2glory1401 "

<glory2glory1401@y...> wrote:

>

> Hi Kathy!

> Thanks for your letter. Gee, hmmmmmmm, sounds like I might be in

> perimenopause. Blast! I was hoping that it would still be at

least

> 5 years down the road!

>

> My root canal saga will be over on Oct 10, hopefully. That is the

> day I get the final gutta percha filling in my last tooth. I am