Re: Fibro pain

October 4, 2005

I have a strange one to add to this, for anyone suffering with fibro pain.

As you know, I have been fibro-pain free for several years. Just last week

I developed the same debilitating pain I had been free of for so long.

Freaked, I saw Dr. Leu today. My estrogen has been high in the past so I

was put on an aromatase inhibitor a couple of weeks ago to bring it down.

Evidently, it brought my estrogen down too low, which triggered menopausal

symptoms -- hot flashes and night sweats, which I had not previous

developed. The fibro symptoms I had this past week were as a result of too

little estrogen in my body! My IC flared horribly as well. So, for anyone

suffering fibro symptoms with known hormone problems, you might want to go

see an ND and get a hormone test to see if it could be low estrogen causing

your fibro pain. The pain I felt during the past week was just as bad and

debilitating as years ago.

I skipped the aromatase inhibitor this morning and already feel a bit

better. I asked if this is what I have to look forward to in menopause. He

said no because I will be on natural HRT. It seems fibro pain isn't always

fibro!

Kenda

>>

>> Something to keep in mind is that Fibromyalgia is a

>> Syndrome, not a disease . . . A Syndrome is a

>> collection of symptoms that have enough in common to

>> be given a name.

>>

>> I'm convinced that there are a number of causes for

>> Fibromyalgia . . . however, IMHO, they have one thing

>> in cause . . . A trauma - accident, stress, illness -

>> that caused a disturbance in ones sleep cycle.

>>

>> They've found that FM can be induced in anyone by

>> depriving them of enough sleep. However, when caught

>> up on sleep, FM symptoms disappear for most people.

>> However, if one is prone to FM, they keep the

>> symptoms! I bet those study participants who kept FM

>> will never forget that study!

>>

>> Over the years, all my FM symptoms have disappeared,

>> except that, without a small amount of prescription

>> medication, I don't get sufficient deep sleep. I've

>> gone off the medication to see what happens . . .

>> Nothing happened, except, I woke every time my hubby

>> stirs.

>>

>> Personally, I think it's important to put all the

>> diagnoses aside. Take only medications that you KNOW

>> is helping, do everything possible to give your body

>> what it needs, while eliminating the stuff that harms

>> it. The human body has incredible healing powers! It

>> takes time, discipline and patience to let it do it's

>> work!

>>

>> However, when faced with a life of pain and

>> disability, we really have no choice but to take care

>> of our health the best we possibly can!

>>

>> To do otherwise is self-destructive.

>>

>> Hugs and prayers,

>>

>> Rogene

>

> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by licensed

> health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed health care

> professional before commencing any medical treatment.

>

> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you.

> Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live a

> happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing, two-time

> Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

>

October 4, 2005

You must be young! lol, I started having hot flashes at 46.

I can remember sitting in class next to some 25 year old and having hot flashes,

perspiring and generally feeling cruddy and old.

But hey - I got through it without synthetic hormones. I tried progesterone

cream for

ahwile but saw no huge benefit. Of course, I think I was getting ill from

silicone then too,

so it's hard for me to say what was hot flash and what was autoimmune/silicone

problems.

I did find that black cohosh seemed to be the only thing that really

helped...but that is a

ways off for you, it sounds.

you young thang... ;-)

> I have a strange one to add to this, for anyone suffering with fibro pain.

> As you know, I have been fibro-pain free for several years. Just last week

> I developed the same debilitating pain I had been free of for so long.

> Freaked, I saw Dr. Leu today. My estrogen has been high in the past so I

> was put on an aromatase inhibitor a couple of weeks ago to bring it down.

> Evidently, it brought my estrogen down too low, which triggered menopausal

> symptoms -- hot flashes and night sweats, which I had not previous

> developed. The fibro symptoms I had this past week were as a result of too

> little estrogen in my body! My IC flared horribly as well. So, for anyone

> suffering fibro symptoms with known hormone problems, you might want to go

> see an ND and get a hormone test to see if it could be low estrogen causing

> your fibro pain. The pain I felt during the past week was just as bad and

> debilitating as years ago.

>

> I skipped the aromatase inhibitor this morning and already feel a bit

> better. I asked if this is what I have to look forward to in menopause. He

> said no because I will be on natural HRT. It seems fibro pain isn't always

> fibro!

>

> Kenda

>

> >>

> >> Something to keep in mind is that Fibromyalgia is a

> >> Syndrome, not a disease . . . A Syndrome is a

> >> collection of symptoms that have enough in common to

> >> be given a name.

> >>

> >> I'm convinced that there are a number of causes for

> >> Fibromyalgia . . . however, IMHO, they have one thing

> >> in cause . . . A trauma - accident, stress, illness -

> >> that caused a disturbance in ones sleep cycle.

> >>

> >> They've found that FM can be induced in anyone by

> >> depriving them of enough sleep. However, when caught

> >> up on sleep, FM symptoms disappear for most people.

> >> However, if one is prone to FM, they keep the

> >> symptoms! I bet those study participants who kept FM

> >> will never forget that study!

> >>

> >> Over the years, all my FM symptoms have disappeared,

> >> except that, without a small amount of prescription

> >> medication, I don't get sufficient deep sleep. I've

> >> gone off the medication to see what happens . . .

> >> Nothing happened, except, I woke every time my hubby

> >> stirs.

> >>

> >> Personally, I think it's important to put all the

> >> diagnoses aside. Take only medications that you KNOW

> >> is helping, do everything possible to give your body

> >> what it needs, while eliminating the stuff that harms

> >> it. The human body has incredible healing powers! It

> >> takes time, discipline and patience to let it do it's

> >> work!

> >>

> >> However, when faced with a life of pain and

> >> disability, we really have no choice but to take care

> >> of our health the best we possibly can!

> >>

> >> To do otherwise is self-destructive.

> >>

> >> Hugs and prayers,

> >>

> >> Rogene

> >

> > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by

licensed

> > health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed health care

> > professional before commencing any medical treatment.

> >

> > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you.

> > Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live a

> > happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing, two-time

> > Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> >

October 4, 2005

Kendra

Estrogen has a wellknown role in immune function. People often go

into remission while pregnant from diseases such as rheumatoid

arthritic, lupus etc, only to flare horribly after birth. Everyone

needs to be aware that the symptoms of perimenopause and menopause

include musclepain and spasms, tendon and joint pain, fatigue,

brainfog, irritability, depression, moodswings, headache,

gastrointestinal problems of all kinds, etc. Every condition and

disease is made worse by hormonal upheaval. Fms typically gets

worse during perimenopause. And getting your hormones balanced is

not as easy as most doctors claim. I am living proof of that. I

have been going back and forth with bioidentical hormones and am

still fluctuating. Until you are into menopause it is hard to

regulate if you are sensitive to hormone. I really think that I

would be doing GREAT right now if it werent for menopausal issues I

am fighting. As it is, I have a few weeks of doing pretty good and

then flare badly with abrupt hormone shifts. I can't wait to be

done with all this crap!!! I will be 51 in two weeks and I sure

hope I am through this soon!

Hugs, kathy

--- In , Kenda Skaggs <skaggs@c...>

wrote:

> I have a strange one to add to this, for anyone suffering with

fibro pain.

> As you know, I have been fibro-pain free for several years. Just

last week

> I developed the same debilitating pain I had been free of for so

long.

> Freaked, I saw Dr. Leu today. My estrogen has been high in the

past so I

> was put on an aromatase inhibitor a couple of weeks ago to bring

it down.

> Evidently, it brought my estrogen down too low, which triggered

menopausal

> symptoms -- hot flashes and night sweats, which I had not previous

> developed. The fibro symptoms I had this past week were as a

result of too

> little estrogen in my body! My IC flared horribly as well. So,

for anyone

> suffering fibro symptoms with known hormone problems, you might

want to go

> see an ND and get a hormone test to see if it could be low

estrogen causing

> your fibro pain. The pain I felt during the past week was just as

bad and

> debilitating as years ago.

>

> I skipped the aromatase inhibitor this morning and already feel a

bit

> better. I asked if this is what I have to look forward to in

menopause. He

> said no because I will be on natural HRT. It seems fibro pain

isn't always

> fibro!

>

> Kenda

>

> >>

> >> Something to keep in mind is that Fibromyalgia is a

> >> Syndrome, not a disease . . . A Syndrome is a

> >> collection of symptoms that have enough in common to

> >> be given a name.

> >>

> >> I'm convinced that there are a number of causes for

> >> Fibromyalgia . . . however, IMHO, they have one thing

> >> in cause . . . A trauma - accident, stress, illness -

> >> that caused a disturbance in ones sleep cycle.

> >>

> >> They've found that FM can be induced in anyone by

> >> depriving them of enough sleep. However, when caught

> >> up on sleep, FM symptoms disappear for most people.

> >> However, if one is prone to FM, they keep the

> >> symptoms! I bet those study participants who kept FM

> >> will never forget that study!

> >>

> >> Over the years, all my FM symptoms have disappeared,

> >> except that, without a small amount of prescription

> >> medication, I don't get sufficient deep sleep. I've

> >> gone off the medication to see what happens . . .

> >> Nothing happened, except, I woke every time my hubby

> >> stirs.

> >>

> >> Personally, I think it's important to put all the

> >> diagnoses aside. Take only medications that you KNOW

> >> is helping, do everything possible to give your body

> >> what it needs, while eliminating the stuff that harms

> >> it. The human body has incredible healing powers! It

> >> takes time, discipline and patience to let it do it's

> >> work!

> >>

> >> However, when faced with a life of pain and

> >> disability, we really have no choice but to take care

> >> of our health the best we possibly can!

> >>

> >> To do otherwise is self-destructive.

> >>

> >> Hugs and prayers,

> >>

> >> Rogene

> >

> > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

given by licensed

> > health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed

health care

> > professional before commencing any medical treatment.

> >

> > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

mislead you.

> > Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about

how to live a

> > happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing,

two-time

> > Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> >

October 4, 2005

Kathy you are about my age - a little younger; I turned 51 in June. I don't

seem to have as

many hot flashes as I did.

> > I have a strange one to add to this, for anyone suffering with

> fibro pain.

> > As you know, I have been fibro-pain free for several years. Just

> last week

> > I developed the same debilitating pain I had been free of for so

> long.

> > Freaked, I saw Dr. Leu today. My estrogen has been high in the

> past so I

> > was put on an aromatase inhibitor a couple of weeks ago to bring

> it down.

> > Evidently, it brought my estrogen down too low, which triggered

> menopausal

> > symptoms -- hot flashes and night sweats, which I had not previous

> > developed. The fibro symptoms I had this past week were as a

> result of too

> > little estrogen in my body! My IC flared horribly as well. So,

> for anyone

> > suffering fibro symptoms with known hormone problems, you might

> want to go

> > see an ND and get a hormone test to see if it could be low

> estrogen causing

> > your fibro pain. The pain I felt during the past week was just as

> bad and

> > debilitating as years ago.

> >

> > I skipped the aromatase inhibitor this morning and already feel a

> bit

> > better. I asked if this is what I have to look forward to in

> menopause. He

> > said no because I will be on natural HRT. It seems fibro pain

> isn't always

> > fibro!

> >

> > Kenda

> >

> > >>

> > >> Something to keep in mind is that Fibromyalgia is a

> > >> Syndrome, not a disease . . . A Syndrome is a

> > >> collection of symptoms that have enough in common to

> > >> be given a name.

> > >>

> > >> I'm convinced that there are a number of causes for

> > >> Fibromyalgia . . . however, IMHO, they have one thing

> > >> in cause . . . A trauma - accident, stress, illness -

> > >> that caused a disturbance in ones sleep cycle.

> > >>

> > >> They've found that FM can be induced in anyone by

> > >> depriving them of enough sleep. However, when caught

> > >> up on sleep, FM symptoms disappear for most people.

> > >> However, if one is prone to FM, they keep the

> > >> symptoms! I bet those study participants who kept FM

> > >> will never forget that study!

> > >>

> > >> Over the years, all my FM symptoms have disappeared,

> > >> except that, without a small amount of prescription

> > >> medication, I don't get sufficient deep sleep. I've

> > >> gone off the medication to see what happens . . .

> > >> Nothing happened, except, I woke every time my hubby

> > >> stirs.

> > >>

> > >> Personally, I think it's important to put all the

> > >> diagnoses aside. Take only medications that you KNOW

> > >> is helping, do everything possible to give your body

> > >> what it needs, while eliminating the stuff that harms

> > >> it. The human body has incredible healing powers! It

> > >> takes time, discipline and patience to let it do it's

> > >> work!

> > >>

> > >> However, when faced with a life of pain and

> > >> disability, we really have no choice but to take care

> > >> of our health the best we possibly can!

> > >>

> > >> To do otherwise is self-destructive.

> > >>

> > >> Hugs and prayers,

> > >>

> > >> Rogene

> > >

> > > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

> given by licensed

> > > health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed

> health care

> > > professional before commencing any medical treatment.

> > >

> > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

> mislead you.

> > > Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about

> how to live a

> > > happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing,

> two-time

> > > Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> > >

October 4, 2005

Nah, I'm not THAT young, I'm 45. I have had hormone issues for a few years.

I take progesterone for hormone-induced migraines. We have had a tough time

balancing the estrogen and progesterone. The estrogen became too high,

which is why I was taking the Aromatase Inhibitor. My cycles are less and

less reliable, I am definitely going through the " old lady " stages.

Kenda

> You must be young! lol, I started having hot flashes at 46.

> I can remember sitting in class next to some 25 year old and having hot

> flashes,

> perspiring and generally feeling cruddy and old.

> But hey - I got through it without synthetic hormones. I tried progesterone

> cream for

> ahwile but saw no huge benefit. Of course, I think I was getting ill from

> silicone then too,

> so it's hard for me to say what was hot flash and what was autoimmune/silicone

> problems.

> I did find that black cohosh seemed to be the only thing that really

> helped...but that is a

> ways off for you, it sounds.

>

> you young thang... ;-)

>

>> I have a strange one to add to this, for anyone suffering with fibro pain.

>> As you know, I have been fibro-pain free for several years. Just last week

>> I developed the same debilitating pain I had been free of for so long.

>> Freaked, I saw Dr. Leu today. My estrogen has been high in the past so I

>> was put on an aromatase inhibitor a couple of weeks ago to bring it down.

>> Evidently, it brought my estrogen down too low, which triggered menopausal

>> symptoms -- hot flashes and night sweats, which I had not previous

>> developed. The fibro symptoms I had this past week were as a result of too

>> little estrogen in my body! My IC flared horribly as well. So, for anyone

>> suffering fibro symptoms with known hormone problems, you might want to go

>> see an ND and get a hormone test to see if it could be low estrogen causing

>> your fibro pain. The pain I felt during the past week was just as bad and

>> debilitating as years ago.

>>

>> I skipped the aromatase inhibitor this morning and already feel a bit

>> better. I asked if this is what I have to look forward to in menopause. He

>> said no because I will be on natural HRT. It seems fibro pain isn't always

>> fibro!

>>

>> Kenda

>>

>>>>

>>>> Something to keep in mind is that Fibromyalgia is a

>>>> Syndrome, not a disease . . . A Syndrome is a

>>>> collection of symptoms that have enough in common to

>>>> be given a name.

>>>>

>>>> I'm convinced that there are a number of causes for

>>>> Fibromyalgia . . . however, IMHO, they have one thing

>>>> in cause . . . A trauma - accident, stress, illness -

>>>> that caused a disturbance in ones sleep cycle.

>>>>

>>>> They've found that FM can be induced in anyone by

>>>> depriving them of enough sleep. However, when caught

>>>> up on sleep, FM symptoms disappear for most people.

>>>> However, if one is prone to FM, they keep the

>>>> symptoms! I bet those study participants who kept FM

>>>> will never forget that study!

>>>>

>>>> Over the years, all my FM symptoms have disappeared,

>>>> except that, without a small amount of prescription

>>>> medication, I don't get sufficient deep sleep. I've

>>>> gone off the medication to see what happens . . .

>>>> Nothing happened, except, I woke every time my hubby

>>>> stirs.

>>>>

>>>> Personally, I think it's important to put all the

>>>> diagnoses aside. Take only medications that you KNOW

>>>> is helping, do everything possible to give your body

>>>> what it needs, while eliminating the stuff that harms

>>>> it. The human body has incredible healing powers! It

>>>> takes time, discipline and patience to let it do it's

>>>> work!

>>>>

>>>> However, when faced with a life of pain and

>>>> disability, we really have no choice but to take care

>>>> of our health the best we possibly can!

>>>>

>>>> To do otherwise is self-destructive.

>>>>

>>>> Hugs and prayers,

>>>>

>>>> Rogene

>>>

>>> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by

>>> licensed

>>> health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed health care

>>> professional before commencing any medical treatment.

>>>

>>> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you.

>>> Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live a

>>> happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing, two-time

>>> Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

>>>

October 4, 2005

Hi Kathy,

I had no idea estrogen played such a huge role in immune function. My IC

was in remission while I was pregnant.

I have had a heck of a time balancing my hormones as well. I am naturally

low in progesterone. I supplement with an oral progesterone and have

fluctuated from too high of a level to nearly non-existent. It took two

years, when my liver was so screwy, to dump the excess progesterone. I'll

have to do another hormone panel in two cycles to see where I end up after

this low-estrogen mess. I was shocked at how terrible I felt due solely

from a low estrogen level. It's definitely worth checking for those with

fibro symptoms and possible hormone problems.

Kenda

>

> Kendra

> Estrogen has a wellknown role in immune function. People often go

> into remission while pregnant from diseases such as rheumatoid

> arthritic, lupus etc, only to flare horribly after birth. Everyone

> needs to be aware that the symptoms of perimenopause and menopause

> include musclepain and spasms, tendon and joint pain, fatigue,

> brainfog, irritability, depression, moodswings, headache,

> gastrointestinal problems of all kinds, etc. Every condition and

> disease is made worse by hormonal upheaval. Fms typically gets

> worse during perimenopause. And getting your hormones balanced is

> not as easy as most doctors claim. I am living proof of that. I

> have been going back and forth with bioidentical hormones and am

> still fluctuating. Until you are into menopause it is hard to

> regulate if you are sensitive to hormone. I really think that I

> would be doing GREAT right now if it werent for menopausal issues I

> am fighting. As it is, I have a few weeks of doing pretty good and

> then flare badly with abrupt hormone shifts. I can't wait to be

> done with all this crap!!! I will be 51 in two weeks and I sure

> hope I am through this soon!

> Hugs, kathy

>

>> I have a strange one to add to this, for anyone suffering with

> fibro pain.

>> As you know, I have been fibro-pain free for several years. Just

> last week

>> I developed the same debilitating pain I had been free of for so

> long.

>> Freaked, I saw Dr. Leu today. My estrogen has been high in the

> past so I

>> was put on an aromatase inhibitor a couple of weeks ago to bring

> it down.

>> Evidently, it brought my estrogen down too low, which triggered

> menopausal

>> symptoms -- hot flashes and night sweats, which I had not previous

>> developed. The fibro symptoms I had this past week were as a

> result of too

>> little estrogen in my body! My IC flared horribly as well. So,

> for anyone

>> suffering fibro symptoms with known hormone problems, you might

> want to go

>> see an ND and get a hormone test to see if it could be low

> estrogen causing

>> your fibro pain. The pain I felt during the past week was just as

> bad and

>> debilitating as years ago.

>>

>> I skipped the aromatase inhibitor this morning and already feel a

> bit

>> better. I asked if this is what I have to look forward to in

> menopause. He

>> said no because I will be on natural HRT. It seems fibro pain

> isn't always

>> fibro!

>>

>> Kenda

>>

>>>>

>>>> Something to keep in mind is that Fibromyalgia is a

>>>> Syndrome, not a disease . . . A Syndrome is a

>>>> collection of symptoms that have enough in common to

>>>> be given a name.

>>>>

>>>> I'm convinced that there are a number of causes for

>>>> Fibromyalgia . . . however, IMHO, they have one thing

>>>> in cause . . . A trauma - accident, stress, illness -

>>>> that caused a disturbance in ones sleep cycle.

>>>>

>>>> They've found that FM can be induced in anyone by

>>>> depriving them of enough sleep. However, when caught

>>>> up on sleep, FM symptoms disappear for most people.

>>>> However, if one is prone to FM, they keep the

>>>> symptoms! I bet those study participants who kept FM

>>>> will never forget that study!

>>>>

>>>> Over the years, all my FM symptoms have disappeared,

>>>> except that, without a small amount of prescription

>>>> medication, I don't get sufficient deep sleep. I've

>>>> gone off the medication to see what happens . . .

>>>> Nothing happened, except, I woke every time my hubby

>>>> stirs.

>>>>

>>>> Personally, I think it's important to put all the

>>>> diagnoses aside. Take only medications that you KNOW

>>>> is helping, do everything possible to give your body

>>>> what it needs, while eliminating the stuff that harms

>>>> it. The human body has incredible healing powers! It

>>>> takes time, discipline and patience to let it do it's

>>>> work!

>>>>

>>>> However, when faced with a life of pain and

>>>> disability, we really have no choice but to take care

>>>> of our health the best we possibly can!

>>>>

>>>> To do otherwise is self-destructive.

>>>>

>>>> Hugs and prayers,

>>>>

>>>> Rogene

>>>

>>> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

> given by licensed

>>> health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed

> health care

>>> professional before commencing any medical treatment.

>>>

>>> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

> mislead you.

>>> Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about

> how to live a

>>> happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing,

> two-time

>>> Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

>>>

October 4, 2005

Ah don't you dare call it 'old lady' lol...

I'm not ready for that!!!

That'[s why I am determined to lose the weight and be as healthy as I can be.

I've come this far...

> >> I have a strange one to add to this, for anyone suffering with fibro pain.

> >> As you know, I have been fibro-pain free for several years. Just last week

> >> I developed the same debilitating pain I had been free of for so long.

> >> Freaked, I saw Dr. Leu today. My estrogen has been high in the past so I

> >> was put on an aromatase inhibitor a couple of weeks ago to bring it down.

> >> Evidently, it brought my estrogen down too low, which triggered menopausal

> >> symptoms -- hot flashes and night sweats, which I had not previous

> >> developed. The fibro symptoms I had this past week were as a result of

too

> >> little estrogen in my body! My IC flared horribly as well. So, for anyone

> >> suffering fibro symptoms with known hormone problems, you might want to go

> >> see an ND and get a hormone test to see if it could be low estrogen causing

> >> your fibro pain. The pain I felt during the past week was just as bad and

> >> debilitating as years ago.

> >>

> >> I skipped the aromatase inhibitor this morning and already feel a bit

> >> better. I asked if this is what I have to look forward to in menopause.

He

> >> said no because I will be on natural HRT. It seems fibro pain isn't always

> >> fibro!

> >>

> >> Kenda

> >>

> >>>>

> >>>> Something to keep in mind is that Fibromyalgia is a

> >>>> Syndrome, not a disease . . . A Syndrome is a

> >>>> collection of symptoms that have enough in common to

> >>>> be given a name.

> >>>>

> >>>> I'm convinced that there are a number of causes for

> >>>> Fibromyalgia . . . however, IMHO, they have one thing

> >>>> in cause . . . A trauma - accident, stress, illness -

> >>>> that caused a disturbance in ones sleep cycle.

> >>>>

> >>>> They've found that FM can be induced in anyone by

> >>>> depriving them of enough sleep. However, when caught

> >>>> up on sleep, FM symptoms disappear for most people.

> >>>> However, if one is prone to FM, they keep the

> >>>> symptoms! I bet those study participants who kept FM

> >>>> will never forget that study!

> >>>>

> >>>> Over the years, all my FM symptoms have disappeared,

> >>>> except that, without a small amount of prescription

> >>>> medication, I don't get sufficient deep sleep. I've

> >>>> gone off the medication to see what happens . . .

> >>>> Nothing happened, except, I woke every time my hubby

> >>>> stirs.

> >>>>

> >>>> Personally, I think it's important to put all the

> >>>> diagnoses aside. Take only medications that you KNOW

> >>>> is helping, do everything possible to give your body

> >>>> what it needs, while eliminating the stuff that harms

> >>>> it. The human body has incredible healing powers! It

> >>>> takes time, discipline and patience to let it do it's

> >>>> work!

> >>>>

> >>>> However, when faced with a life of pain and

> >>>> disability, we really have no choice but to take care

> >>>> of our health the best we possibly can!

> >>>>

> >>>> To do otherwise is self-destructive.

> >>>>

> >>>> Hugs and prayers,

> >>>>

> >>>> Rogene

> >>>

> >>> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by

> >>> licensed

> >>> health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed health care

> >>> professional before commencing any medical treatment.

> >>>

> >>> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you.

> >>> Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live

a

> >>> happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing, two-time

> >>> Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> >>>

October 4, 2005

I have an appointment with an endocronologist, finally. Next month...

> >> I have a strange one to add to this, for anyone suffering with

> > fibro pain.

> >> As you know, I have been fibro-pain free for several years. Just

> > last week

> >> I developed the same debilitating pain I had been free of for so

> > long.

> >> Freaked, I saw Dr. Leu today. My estrogen has been high in the

> > past so I

> >> was put on an aromatase inhibitor a couple of weeks ago to bring

> > it down.

> >> Evidently, it brought my estrogen down too low, which triggered

> > menopausal

> >> symptoms -- hot flashes and night sweats, which I had not previous

> >> developed. The fibro symptoms I had this past week were as a

> > result of too

> >> little estrogen in my body! My IC flared horribly as well. So,

> > for anyone

> >> suffering fibro symptoms with known hormone problems, you might

> > want to go

> >> see an ND and get a hormone test to see if it could be low

> > estrogen causing

> >> your fibro pain. The pain I felt during the past week was just as

> > bad and

> >> debilitating as years ago.

> >>

> >> I skipped the aromatase inhibitor this morning and already feel a

> > bit

> >> better. I asked if this is what I have to look forward to in

> > menopause. He

> >> said no because I will be on natural HRT. It seems fibro pain

> > isn't always

> >> fibro!

> >>

> >> Kenda

> >>

> >>>>

> >>>> Something to keep in mind is that Fibromyalgia is a

> >>>> Syndrome, not a disease . . . A Syndrome is a

> >>>> collection of symptoms that have enough in common to

> >>>> be given a name.

> >>>>

> >>>> I'm convinced that there are a number of causes for

> >>>> Fibromyalgia . . . however, IMHO, they have one thing

> >>>> in cause . . . A trauma - accident, stress, illness -

> >>>> that caused a disturbance in ones sleep cycle.

> >>>>

> >>>> They've found that FM can be induced in anyone by

> >>>> depriving them of enough sleep. However, when caught

> >>>> up on sleep, FM symptoms disappear for most people.

> >>>> However, if one is prone to FM, they keep the

> >>>> symptoms! I bet those study participants who kept FM

> >>>> will never forget that study!

> >>>>

> >>>> Over the years, all my FM symptoms have disappeared,

> >>>> except that, without a small amount of prescription

> >>>> medication, I don't get sufficient deep sleep. I've

> >>>> gone off the medication to see what happens . . .

> >>>> Nothing happened, except, I woke every time my hubby

> >>>> stirs.

> >>>>

> >>>> Personally, I think it's important to put all the

> >>>> diagnoses aside. Take only medications that you KNOW

> >>>> is helping, do everything possible to give your body

> >>>> what it needs, while eliminating the stuff that harms

> >>>> it. The human body has incredible healing powers! It

> >>>> takes time, discipline and patience to let it do it's

> >>>> work!

> >>>>

> >>>> However, when faced with a life of pain and

> >>>> disability, we really have no choice but to take care

> >>>> of our health the best we possibly can!

> >>>>

> >>>> To do otherwise is self-destructive.

> >>>>

> >>>> Hugs and prayers,

> >>>>

> >>>> Rogene

> >>>

> >>> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

> > given by licensed

> >>> health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed

> > health care

> >>> professional before commencing any medical treatment.

> >>>

> >>> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

> > mislead you.

> >>> Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about

> > how to live a

> >>> happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing,

> > two-time

> >>> Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> >>>

October 4, 2005

Ah, I'm just kidding. I call my changing eyes Old Lady eyes too. My vet

asked me today what I consider old age, I really believe it's a mental

thing. I would have considered 45 old when I was 30.

Kenda

> Ah don't you dare call it 'old lady' lol...

> I'm not ready for that!!!

> That'[s why I am determined to lose the weight and be as healthy as I can be.

> I've come this far...

>

>>>> I have a strange one to add to this, for anyone suffering with fibro pain.

>>>> As you know, I have been fibro-pain free for several years. Just last week

>>>> I developed the same debilitating pain I had been free of for so long.

>>>> Freaked, I saw Dr. Leu today. My estrogen has been high in the past so I

>>>> was put on an aromatase inhibitor a couple of weeks ago to bring it down.

>>>> Evidently, it brought my estrogen down too low, which triggered menopausal

>>>> symptoms -- hot flashes and night sweats, which I had not previous

>>>> developed. The fibro symptoms I had this past week were as a result of

>>>> too

>>>> little estrogen in my body! My IC flared horribly as well. So, for anyone

>>>> suffering fibro symptoms with known hormone problems, you might want to go

>>>> see an ND and get a hormone test to see if it could be low estrogen causing

>>>> your fibro pain. The pain I felt during the past week was just as bad and

>>>> debilitating as years ago.

>>>>

>>>> I skipped the aromatase inhibitor this morning and already feel a bit

>>>> better. I asked if this is what I have to look forward to in menopause.

>>>> He

>>>> said no because I will be on natural HRT. It seems fibro pain isn't always

>>>> fibro!

>>>>

>>>> Kenda

>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Something to keep in mind is that Fibromyalgia is a

>>>>>> Syndrome, not a disease . . . A Syndrome is a

>>>>>> collection of symptoms that have enough in common to

>>>>>> be given a name.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I'm convinced that there are a number of causes for

>>>>>> Fibromyalgia . . . however, IMHO, they have one thing

>>>>>> in cause . . . A trauma - accident, stress, illness -

>>>>>> that caused a disturbance in ones sleep cycle.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> They've found that FM can be induced in anyone by

>>>>>> depriving them of enough sleep. However, when caught

>>>>>> up on sleep, FM symptoms disappear for most people.

>>>>>> However, if one is prone to FM, they keep the

>>>>>> symptoms! I bet those study participants who kept FM

>>>>>> will never forget that study!

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Over the years, all my FM symptoms have disappeared,

>>>>>> except that, without a small amount of prescription

>>>>>> medication, I don't get sufficient deep sleep. I've

>>>>>> gone off the medication to see what happens . . .

>>>>>> Nothing happened, except, I woke every time my hubby

>>>>>> stirs.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Personally, I think it's important to put all the

>>>>>> diagnoses aside. Take only medications that you KNOW

>>>>>> is helping, do everything possible to give your body

>>>>>> what it needs, while eliminating the stuff that harms

>>>>>> it. The human body has incredible healing powers! It

>>>>>> takes time, discipline and patience to let it do it's

>>>>>> work!

>>>>>>

>>>>>> However, when faced with a life of pain and

>>>>>> disability, we really have no choice but to take care

>>>>>> of our health the best we possibly can!

>>>>>>

>>>>>> To do otherwise is self-destructive.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Hugs and prayers,

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Rogene

>>>>>

>>>>> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by

>>>>> licensed

>>>>> health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed health care

>>>>> professional before commencing any medical treatment.

>>>>>

>>>>> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you.

>>>>> Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live

>>>>> a

>>>>> happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing, two-time

>>>>> Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

>>>>>

October 4, 2005

Yes, when I was 7 I thought 10 was old. Hmmmm

Now I think 105 is old.

I used to say middle age was 10 years older than what you are. I have finally

abandoned

that one, though. I concede that I am, indeed, middle aged.

;-(

> >>>> I have a strange one to add to this, for anyone suffering with fibro

pain.

> >>>> As you know, I have been fibro-pain free for several years. Just last

week

> >>>> I developed the same debilitating pain I had been free of for so long.

> >>>> Freaked, I saw Dr. Leu today. My estrogen has been high in the past so I

> >>>> was put on an aromatase inhibitor a couple of weeks ago to bring it down.

> >>>> Evidently, it brought my estrogen down too low, which triggered

menopausal

> >>>> symptoms -- hot flashes and night sweats, which I had not previous

> >>>> developed. The fibro symptoms I had this past week were as a result of

> >>>> too

> >>>> little estrogen in my body! My IC flared horribly as well. So, for

anyone

> >>>> suffering fibro symptoms with known hormone problems, you might want to

go

> >>>> see an ND and get a hormone test to see if it could be low estrogen

causing

> >>>> your fibro pain. The pain I felt during the past week was just as bad

and

> >>>> debilitating as years ago.

> >>>>

> >>>> I skipped the aromatase inhibitor this morning and already feel a bit

> >>>> better. I asked if this is what I have to look forward to in menopause.

> >>>> He

> >>>> said no because I will be on natural HRT. It seems fibro pain isn't

always

> >>>> fibro!

> >>>>

> >>>> Kenda

> >>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Something to keep in mind is that Fibromyalgia is a

> >>>>>> Syndrome, not a disease . . . A Syndrome is a

> >>>>>> collection of symptoms that have enough in common to

> >>>>>> be given a name.

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> I'm convinced that there are a number of causes for

> >>>>>> Fibromyalgia . . . however, IMHO, they have one thing

> >>>>>> in cause . . . A trauma - accident, stress, illness -

> >>>>>> that caused a disturbance in ones sleep cycle.

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> They've found that FM can be induced in anyone by

> >>>>>> depriving them of enough sleep. However, when caught

> >>>>>> up on sleep, FM symptoms disappear for most people.

> >>>>>> However, if one is prone to FM, they keep the

> >>>>>> symptoms! I bet those study participants who kept FM

> >>>>>> will never forget that study!

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Over the years, all my FM symptoms have disappeared,

> >>>>>> except that, without a small amount of prescription

> >>>>>> medication, I don't get sufficient deep sleep. I've

> >>>>>> gone off the medication to see what happens . . .

> >>>>>> Nothing happened, except, I woke every time my hubby

> >>>>>> stirs.

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Personally, I think it's important to put all the

> >>>>>> diagnoses aside. Take only medications that you KNOW

> >>>>>> is helping, do everything possible to give your body

> >>>>>> what it needs, while eliminating the stuff that harms

> >>>>>> it. The human body has incredible healing powers! It

> >>>>>> takes time, discipline and patience to let it do it's

> >>>>>> work!

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> However, when faced with a life of pain and

> >>>>>> disability, we really have no choice but to take care

> >>>>>> of our health the best we possibly can!

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> To do otherwise is self-destructive.

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Hugs and prayers,

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Rogene

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by

> >>>>> licensed

> >>>>> health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed health

care

> >>>>> professional before commencing any medical treatment.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead

you.

> >>>>> Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to

live

> >>>>> a

> >>>>> happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing,

two-time

> >>>>> Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> >>>>>

October 4, 2005

Thanks Kenda,

You are getting to be quite a pro at this hormone thing. I am

thankful for your input on this. It is very valuable info to have.

I think our hormones are very involved in all of this!

Patty

--- In , Kenda Skaggs <skaggs@c...>

wrote:

> I have a strange one to add to this, for anyone suffering with

fibro pain.

> As you know, I have been fibro-pain free for several years. Just

last week

> I developed the same debilitating pain I had been free of for so

long.

> Freaked, I saw Dr. Leu today. My estrogen has been high in the

past so I

> was put on an aromatase inhibitor a couple of weeks ago to bring

it down.

> Evidently, it brought my estrogen down too low, which triggered

menopausal

> symptoms -- hot flashes and night sweats, which I had not previous

> developed. The fibro symptoms I had this past week were as a

result of too

> little estrogen in my body! My IC flared horribly as well. So,

for anyone

> suffering fibro symptoms with known hormone problems, you might

want to go

> see an ND and get a hormone test to see if it could be low

estrogen causing

> your fibro pain. The pain I felt during the past week was just as

bad and

> debilitating as years ago.

>

> I skipped the aromatase inhibitor this morning and already feel a

bit

> better. I asked if this is what I have to look forward to in

menopause. He

> said no because I will be on natural HRT. It seems fibro pain

isn't always

> fibro!

>

> Kenda

>

> >>

> >> Something to keep in mind is that Fibromyalgia is a

> >> Syndrome, not a disease . . . A Syndrome is a

> >> collection of symptoms that have enough in common to

> >> be given a name.

> >>

> >> I'm convinced that there are a number of causes for

> >> Fibromyalgia . . . however, IMHO, they have one thing

> >> in cause . . . A trauma - accident, stress, illness -

> >> that caused a disturbance in ones sleep cycle.

> >>

> >> They've found that FM can be induced in anyone by

> >> depriving them of enough sleep. However, when caught

> >> up on sleep, FM symptoms disappear for most people.

> >> However, if one is prone to FM, they keep the

> >> symptoms! I bet those study participants who kept FM

> >> will never forget that study!

> >>

> >> Over the years, all my FM symptoms have disappeared,

> >> except that, without a small amount of prescription

> >> medication, I don't get sufficient deep sleep. I've

> >> gone off the medication to see what happens . . .

> >> Nothing happened, except, I woke every time my hubby

> >> stirs.

> >>

> >> Personally, I think it's important to put all the

> >> diagnoses aside. Take only medications that you KNOW

> >> is helping, do everything possible to give your body

> >> what it needs, while eliminating the stuff that harms

> >> it. The human body has incredible healing powers! It

> >> takes time, discipline and patience to let it do it's

> >> work!

> >>

> >> However, when faced with a life of pain and

> >> disability, we really have no choice but to take care

> >> of our health the best we possibly can!

> >>

> >> To do otherwise is self-destructive.

> >>

> >> Hugs and prayers,

> >>

> >> Rogene

> >

> > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

given by licensed

> > health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed

health care

> > professional before commencing any medical treatment.

> >

> > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

mislead you.

> > Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about

how to live a

> > happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing,

two-time

> > Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> >

October 4, 2005

Hi Kathy,

You are on top of this stuff as well as Kenda. I am really

thankful! I am 46 and don't know when I will be hitting the

menopause years, but I assume it will happen soon and that I will be

feeling the affects of it. I am not looking forward to it, I can

tell you that!

Going through the root canal procedure has been enough of a trial.

I think the antibiotics and the ibuprofen and the general presence

of the infection in my root canals set me back just a tad. I have

had some joint pain and headaches that I have been dealing with.

Then this week, my monthly cycle was totally off. I think I went 34

days, way longer than my normal 25! I was bummed. Maybe all this

stuff is all rolled up into one big mess that I'll need to sort out

through more detoxing and testing!

Patty

> > I have a strange one to add to this, for anyone suffering with

> fibro pain.

> > As you know, I have been fibro-pain free for several years.

Just

> last week

> > I developed the same debilitating pain I had been free of for so

> long.

> > Freaked, I saw Dr. Leu today. My estrogen has been high in the

> past so I

> > was put on an aromatase inhibitor a couple of weeks ago to bring

> it down.

> > Evidently, it brought my estrogen down too low, which triggered

> menopausal

> > symptoms -- hot flashes and night sweats, which I had not

> result of too

> > little estrogen in my body! My IC flared horribly as well. So,

> for anyone

> > suffering fibro symptoms with known hormone problems, you might

> want to go

> > see an ND and get a hormone test to see if it could be low

> estrogen causing

> > your fibro pain. The pain I felt during the past week was just

as

> bad and

> > debilitating as years ago.

> >

> > I skipped the aromatase inhibitor this morning and already feel

a

> bit

> > better. I asked if this is what I have to look forward to in

> menopause. He

> > said no because I will be on natural HRT. It seems fibro pain

> isn't always

> > fibro!

> >

> > Kenda

> >

> > >>

> > >> Something to keep in mind is that Fibromyalgia is a

> > >> Syndrome, not a disease . . . A Syndrome is a

> > >> collection of symptoms that have enough in common to

> > >> be given a name.

> > >>

> > >> I'm convinced that there are a number of causes for

> > >> Fibromyalgia . . . however, IMHO, they have one thing

> > >> in cause . . . A trauma - accident, stress, illness -

> > >> that caused a disturbance in ones sleep cycle.

> > >>

> > >> They've found that FM can be induced in anyone by

> > >> depriving them of enough sleep. However, when caught

> > >> up on sleep, FM symptoms disappear for most people.

> > >> However, if one is prone to FM, they keep the

> > >> symptoms! I bet those study participants who kept FM

> > >> will never forget that study!

> > >>

> > >> Over the years, all my FM symptoms have disappeared,

> > >> except that, without a small amount of prescription

> > >> medication, I don't get sufficient deep sleep. I've

> > >> gone off the medication to see what happens . . .

> > >> Nothing happened, except, I woke every time my hubby

> > >> stirs.

> > >>

> > >> Personally, I think it's important to put all the

> > >> diagnoses aside. Take only medications that you KNOW

> > >> is helping, do everything possible to give your body

> > >> what it needs, while eliminating the stuff that harms

> > >> it. The human body has incredible healing powers! It

> > >> takes time, discipline and patience to let it do it's

> > >> work!

> > >>

> > >> However, when faced with a life of pain and

> > >> disability, we really have no choice but to take care

> > >> of our health the best we possibly can!

> > >>

> > >> To do otherwise is self-destructive.

> > >>

> > >> Hugs and prayers,

> > >>

> > >> Rogene

> > >

> > > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

> given by licensed

> > > health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed

> health care

> > > professional before commencing any medical treatment.

> > >

> > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

> mislead you.

> > > Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about

> how to live a

> > > happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus

ing,

> two-time

> > > Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> > >

October 4, 2005

Kenda,

You and I are very close in age! YOu are way more on top of your

hormones than I am though! How often do you get your hormones

tested? Is it all through blood tests?

Patty

--- In , Kenda Skaggs <skaggs@c...>

wrote:

> Nah, I'm not THAT young, I'm 45. I have had hormone issues for a

few years.

> I take progesterone for hormone-induced migraines. We have had a

tough time

> balancing the estrogen and progesterone. The estrogen became too

high,

> which is why I was taking the Aromatase Inhibitor. My cycles are

less and

> less reliable, I am definitely going through the " old lady "

stages.

>

> Kenda

>

> > You must be young! lol, I started having hot flashes at 46.

> > I can remember sitting in class next to some 25 year old and

having hot

> > flashes,

> > perspiring and generally feeling cruddy and old.

> > But hey - I got through it without synthetic hormones. I tried

progesterone

> > cream for

> > ahwile but saw no huge benefit. Of course, I think I was

getting ill from

> > silicone then too,

> > so it's hard for me to say what was hot flash and what was

autoimmune/silicone

> > problems.

> > I did find that black cohosh seemed to be the only thing that

really

> > helped...but that is a

> > ways off for you, it sounds.

> >

> > you young thang... ;-)

> >

> > --- In , Kenda Skaggs <skaggs@c...>

wrote:

> >> I have a strange one to add to this, for anyone suffering with

fibro pain.

> >> As you know, I have been fibro-pain free for several years.

Just last week

> >> I developed the same debilitating pain I had been free of for

so long.

> >> Freaked, I saw Dr. Leu today. My estrogen has been high in the

past so I

> >> was put on an aromatase inhibitor a couple of weeks ago to

bring it down.

> >> Evidently, it brought my estrogen down too low, which triggered

menopausal

> >> symptoms -- hot flashes and night sweats, which I had not

result of too

> >> little estrogen in my body! My IC flared horribly as well.

So, for anyone

> >> suffering fibro symptoms with known hormone problems, you might

want to go

> >> see an ND and get a hormone test to see if it could be low

estrogen causing

> >> your fibro pain. The pain I felt during the past week was just

as bad and

> >> debilitating as years ago.

> >>

> >> I skipped the aromatase inhibitor this morning and already feel

a bit

> >> better. I asked if this is what I have to look forward to in

menopause. He

> >> said no because I will be on natural HRT. It seems fibro pain

isn't always

> >> fibro!

> >>

> >> Kenda

> >>

> >>>>

> >>>> Something to keep in mind is that Fibromyalgia is a

> >>>> Syndrome, not a disease . . . A Syndrome is a

> >>>> collection of symptoms that have enough in common to

> >>>> be given a name.

> >>>>

> >>>> I'm convinced that there are a number of causes for

> >>>> Fibromyalgia . . . however, IMHO, they have one thing

> >>>> in cause . . . A trauma - accident, stress, illness -

> >>>> that caused a disturbance in ones sleep cycle.

> >>>>

> >>>> They've found that FM can be induced in anyone by

> >>>> depriving them of enough sleep. However, when caught

> >>>> up on sleep, FM symptoms disappear for most people.

> >>>> However, if one is prone to FM, they keep the

> >>>> symptoms! I bet those study participants who kept FM

> >>>> will never forget that study!

> >>>>

> >>>> Over the years, all my FM symptoms have disappeared,

> >>>> except that, without a small amount of prescription

> >>>> medication, I don't get sufficient deep sleep. I've

> >>>> gone off the medication to see what happens . . .

> >>>> Nothing happened, except, I woke every time my hubby

> >>>> stirs.

> >>>>

> >>>> Personally, I think it's important to put all the

> >>>> diagnoses aside. Take only medications that you KNOW

> >>>> is helping, do everything possible to give your body

> >>>> what it needs, while eliminating the stuff that harms

> >>>> it. The human body has incredible healing powers! It

> >>>> takes time, discipline and patience to let it do it's

> >>>> work!

> >>>>

> >>>> However, when faced with a life of pain and

> >>>> disability, we really have no choice but to take care

> >>>> of our health the best we possibly can!

> >>>>

> >>>> To do otherwise is self-destructive.

> >>>>

> >>>> Hugs and prayers,

> >>>>

> >>>> Rogene

> >>>

> >>> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

given by

> >>> licensed

> >>> health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed

health care

> >>> professional before commencing any medical treatment.

> >>>

> >>> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

mislead you.

> >>> Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about

how to live a

> >>> happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus

ing, two-time

> >>> Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> >>>

October 5, 2005

It's sad to become a pro by experience. It was quite shocking to me that

estrogen had such a profound effect on my entire body, not just the typical

hot flashes but the achy feeling and my IC flared as well. I knew I was

being dramatic but I told my husband that I felt like I was dying, that

something was really, really wrong.

Kenda

> Thanks Kenda,

> You are getting to be quite a pro at this hormone thing. I am

> thankful for your input on this. It is very valuable info to have.

> I think our hormones are very involved in all of this!

> Patty

>

>> I have a strange one to add to this, for anyone suffering with

> fibro pain.

>> As you know, I have been fibro-pain free for several years. Just

> last week

>> I developed the same debilitating pain I had been free of for so

> long.

>> Freaked, I saw Dr. Leu today. My estrogen has been high in the

> past so I

>> was put on an aromatase inhibitor a couple of weeks ago to bring

> it down.

>> Evidently, it brought my estrogen down too low, which triggered

> menopausal

>> symptoms -- hot flashes and night sweats, which I had not previous

>> developed. The fibro symptoms I had this past week were as a

> result of too

>> little estrogen in my body! My IC flared horribly as well. So,

> for anyone

>> suffering fibro symptoms with known hormone problems, you might

> want to go

>> see an ND and get a hormone test to see if it could be low

> estrogen causing

>> your fibro pain. The pain I felt during the past week was just as

> bad and

>> debilitating as years ago.

>>

>> I skipped the aromatase inhibitor this morning and already feel a

> bit

>> better. I asked if this is what I have to look forward to in

> menopause. He

>> said no because I will be on natural HRT. It seems fibro pain

> isn't always

>> fibro!

>>

>> Kenda

>>

>>>>

>>>> Something to keep in mind is that Fibromyalgia is a

>>>> Syndrome, not a disease . . . A Syndrome is a

>>>> collection of symptoms that have enough in common to

>>>> be given a name.

>>>>

>>>> I'm convinced that there are a number of causes for

>>>> Fibromyalgia . . . however, IMHO, they have one thing

>>>> in cause . . . A trauma - accident, stress, illness -

>>>> that caused a disturbance in ones sleep cycle.

>>>>

>>>> They've found that FM can be induced in anyone by

>>>> depriving them of enough sleep. However, when caught

>>>> up on sleep, FM symptoms disappear for most people.

>>>> However, if one is prone to FM, they keep the

>>>> symptoms! I bet those study participants who kept FM

>>>> will never forget that study!

>>>>

>>>> Over the years, all my FM symptoms have disappeared,

>>>> except that, without a small amount of prescription

>>>> medication, I don't get sufficient deep sleep. I've

>>>> gone off the medication to see what happens . . .

>>>> Nothing happened, except, I woke every time my hubby

>>>> stirs.

>>>>

>>>> Personally, I think it's important to put all the

>>>> diagnoses aside. Take only medications that you KNOW

>>>> is helping, do everything possible to give your body

>>>> what it needs, while eliminating the stuff that harms

>>>> it. The human body has incredible healing powers! It

>>>> takes time, discipline and patience to let it do it's

>>>> work!

>>>>

>>>> However, when faced with a life of pain and

>>>> disability, we really have no choice but to take care

>>>> of our health the best we possibly can!

>>>>

>>>> To do otherwise is self-destructive.

>>>>

>>>> Hugs and prayers,

>>>>

>>>> Rogene

>>>

>>> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

> given by licensed

>>> health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed

> health care

>>> professional before commencing any medical treatment.

>>>

>>> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

> mislead you.

>>> Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about

> how to live a

>>> happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing,

> two-time

>>> Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

>>>

October 5, 2005

Hi Patty!

Your cycles sound like mine now! One month it's three weeks, the next

month it's five -- or maybe not even at all. My GYN said it was normal, Dr.

Leu disagrees. It's an imbalance that needs to be treated.

Kenda

> Hi Kathy,

> You are on top of this stuff as well as Kenda. I am really

> thankful! I am 46 and don't know when I will be hitting the

> menopause years, but I assume it will happen soon and that I will be

> feeling the affects of it. I am not looking forward to it, I can

> tell you that!

>

> Going through the root canal procedure has been enough of a trial.

> I think the antibiotics and the ibuprofen and the general presence

> of the infection in my root canals set me back just a tad. I have

> had some joint pain and headaches that I have been dealing with.

>

> Then this week, my monthly cycle was totally off. I think I went 34

> days, way longer than my normal 25! I was bummed. Maybe all this

> stuff is all rolled up into one big mess that I'll need to sort out

> through more detoxing and testing!

> Patty

>

>>> I have a strange one to add to this, for anyone suffering with

>> fibro pain.

>>> As you know, I have been fibro-pain free for several years.

> Just

>> last week

>>> I developed the same debilitating pain I had been free of for so

>> long.

>>> Freaked, I saw Dr. Leu today. My estrogen has been high in the

>> past so I

>>> was put on an aromatase inhibitor a couple of weeks ago to bring

>> it down.

>>> Evidently, it brought my estrogen down too low, which triggered

>> menopausal

>>> symptoms -- hot flashes and night sweats, which I had not

> previous

>>> developed. The fibro symptoms I had this past week were as a

>> result of too

>>> little estrogen in my body! My IC flared horribly as well. So,

>> for anyone

>>> suffering fibro symptoms with known hormone problems, you might

>> want to go

>>> see an ND and get a hormone test to see if it could be low

>> estrogen causing

>>> your fibro pain. The pain I felt during the past week was just

> as

>> bad and

>>> debilitating as years ago.

>>>

>>> I skipped the aromatase inhibitor this morning and already feel

> a

>> bit

>>> better. I asked if this is what I have to look forward to in

>> menopause. He

>>> said no because I will be on natural HRT. It seems fibro pain

>> isn't always

>>> fibro!

>>>

>>> Kenda

>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Something to keep in mind is that Fibromyalgia is a

>>>>> Syndrome, not a disease . . . A Syndrome is a

>>>>> collection of symptoms that have enough in common to

>>>>> be given a name.

>>>>>

>>>>> I'm convinced that there are a number of causes for

>>>>> Fibromyalgia . . . however, IMHO, they have one thing

>>>>> in cause . . . A trauma - accident, stress, illness -

>>>>> that caused a disturbance in ones sleep cycle.

>>>>>

>>>>> They've found that FM can be induced in anyone by

>>>>> depriving them of enough sleep. However, when caught

>>>>> up on sleep, FM symptoms disappear for most people.

>>>>> However, if one is prone to FM, they keep the

>>>>> symptoms! I bet those study participants who kept FM

>>>>> will never forget that study!

>>>>>

>>>>> Over the years, all my FM symptoms have disappeared,

>>>>> except that, without a small amount of prescription

>>>>> medication, I don't get sufficient deep sleep. I've

>>>>> gone off the medication to see what happens . . .

>>>>> Nothing happened, except, I woke every time my hubby

>>>>> stirs.

>>>>>

>>>>> Personally, I think it's important to put all the

>>>>> diagnoses aside. Take only medications that you KNOW

>>>>> is helping, do everything possible to give your body

>>>>> what it needs, while eliminating the stuff that harms

>>>>> it. The human body has incredible healing powers! It

>>>>> takes time, discipline and patience to let it do it's

>>>>> work!

>>>>>

>>>>> However, when faced with a life of pain and

>>>>> disability, we really have no choice but to take care

>>>>> of our health the best we possibly can!

>>>>>

>>>>> To do otherwise is self-destructive.

>>>>>

>>>>> Hugs and prayers,

>>>>>

>>>>> Rogene

>>>>

>>>> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

>> given by licensed

>>>> health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed

>> health care

>>>> professional before commencing any medical treatment.

>>>>

>>>> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

>> mislead you.

>>>> Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about

>> how to live a

>>>> happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus

> ing,

>> two-time

>>>> Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

>>>>

October 5, 2005

Hi Patty,

I have saliva tests every three to four months. It started with

progesterone-related migraines a few years ago. We check my hormones to be

sure my progesterone is in balance. It's hard to get hormones balanced and

keep them there naturally so we test often. The problem is that one

imbalanced hormone can cause the rest of them to be imbalanced as well.

It's a juggling act.

Kenda

> Kenda,

> You and I are very close in age! YOu are way more on top of your

> hormones than I am though! How often do you get your hormones

> tested? Is it all through blood tests?

> Patty

>

>>>> I have a strange one to add to this, for anyone suffering with

> fibro pain.

>>>> As you know, I have been fibro-pain free for several years.

> Just last week

>>>> I developed the same debilitating pain I had been free of for

> so long.

>>>> Freaked, I saw Dr. Leu today. My estrogen has been high in the

> past so I

>>>> was put on an aromatase inhibitor a couple of weeks ago to

> bring it down.

>>>> Evidently, it brought my estrogen down too low, which triggered

> menopausal

>>>> symptoms -- hot flashes and night sweats, which I had not

> previous

>>>> developed. The fibro symptoms I had this past week were as a

> result of too

>>>> little estrogen in my body! My IC flared horribly as well.

> So, for anyone

>>>> suffering fibro symptoms with known hormone problems, you might

> want to go

>>>> see an ND and get a hormone test to see if it could be low

> estrogen causing

>>>> your fibro pain. The pain I felt during the past week was just

> as bad and

>>>> debilitating as years ago.

>>>>

>>>> I skipped the aromatase inhibitor this morning and already feel

> a bit

>>>> better. I asked if this is what I have to look forward to in

> menopause. He

>>>> said no because I will be on natural HRT. It seems fibro pain

> isn't always

>>>> fibro!

>>>>

>>>> Kenda

>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Something to keep in mind is that Fibromyalgia is a

>>>>>> Syndrome, not a disease . . . A Syndrome is a

>>>>>> collection of symptoms that have enough in common to

>>>>>> be given a name.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I'm convinced that there are a number of causes for

>>>>>> Fibromyalgia . . . however, IMHO, they have one thing

>>>>>> in cause . . . A trauma - accident, stress, illness -

>>>>>> that caused a disturbance in ones sleep cycle.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> They've found that FM can be induced in anyone by

>>>>>> depriving them of enough sleep. However, when caught

>>>>>> up on sleep, FM symptoms disappear for most people.

>>>>>> However, if one is prone to FM, they keep the

>>>>>> symptoms! I bet those study participants who kept FM

>>>>>> will never forget that study!

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Over the years, all my FM symptoms have disappeared,

>>>>>> except that, without a small amount of prescription

>>>>>> medication, I don't get sufficient deep sleep. I've

>>>>>> gone off the medication to see what happens . . .

>>>>>> Nothing happened, except, I woke every time my hubby

>>>>>> stirs.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Personally, I think it's important to put all the

>>>>>> diagnoses aside. Take only medications that you KNOW

>>>>>> is helping, do everything possible to give your body

>>>>>> what it needs, while eliminating the stuff that harms

>>>>>> it. The human body has incredible healing powers! It

>>>>>> takes time, discipline and patience to let it do it's

>>>>>> work!

>>>>>>

>>>>>> However, when faced with a life of pain and

>>>>>> disability, we really have no choice but to take care

>>>>>> of our health the best we possibly can!

>>>>>>

>>>>>> To do otherwise is self-destructive.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Hugs and prayers,

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Rogene

>>>>>

>>>>> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

> given by

>>>>> licensed

>>>>> health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed

> health care

>>>>> professional before commencing any medical treatment.

>>>>>

>>>>> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

> mislead you.

>>>>> Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about

> how to live a

>>>>> happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus

> ing, two-time

>>>>> Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

>>>>>

October 5, 2005

Hi,

I wanted to add that I have had Fibro for years and have been explanted for 3 years now and the thing that has helped me the most is going on bioidentical hormones. First my doctor put me on estrodial and progesterone on the Wiley protocol ( which is cylcing the hormones to reproduce a normal cycle) but the estodial which activates the immune system made the fibro worse. Now I am on estriol and progesterone (still using the cycling calender). and this is working so well!! My pain is greatly reduced. Estriol is the estrogen that is abundant while pregnant and it calms down the immune system so you don't abort the baby. Anyway this has worked for me. I feel pretty good and always improving as I untangle this mess my body was in.

Love

Judi Re: Re: Fibro Pain

It's sad to become a pro by experience. It was quite shocking to me that

estrogen had such a profound effect on my entire body, not just the typical

hot flashes but the achy feeling and my IC flared as well. I knew I was

being dramatic but I told my husband that I felt like I was dying, that

something was really, really wrong.

Kenda

> Thanks Kenda,

> You are getting to be quite a pro at this hormone thing. I am

> thankful for your input on this. It is very valuable info to have.

> I think our hormones are very involved in all of this!

> Patty

> >

>> I have a strange one to add to this, for anyone suffering with

> fibro pain.

>> As you know, I have been fibro-pain free for several years. Just

> last week

>> I developed the same debilitating pain I had been free of for so

> long.

>> Freaked, I saw Dr. Leu today. My estrogen has been high in the

> past so I

>> was put on an aromatase inhibitor a couple of weeks ago to bring

> it down.

>> Evidently, it brought my estrogen down too low, which triggered

> menopausal

>> symptoms -- hot flashes and night sweats, which I had not previous

>> developed. The fibro symptoms I had this past week were as a

> result of too

>> little estrogen in my body! My IC flared horribly as well. So,

> for anyone

>> suffering fibro symptoms with known hormone problems, you might

> want to go

>> see an ND and get a hormone test to see if it could be low

> estrogen causing

>> your fibro pain. The pain I felt during the past week was just as

> bad and

>> debilitating as years ago.

>> >> I skipped the aromatase inhibitor this morning and already feel a

> bit

>> better. I asked if this is what I have to look forward to in

> menopause. He

>> said no because I will be on natural HRT. It seems fibro pain

> isn't always

>> fibro! >> >> Kenda

>> >> >>>> >>>> Something to keep in mind is that Fibromyalgia is a

>>>> Syndrome, not a disease . . . A Syndrome is a

>>>> collection of symptoms that have enough in common to

>>>> be given a name.

>>>> >>>> I'm convinced that there are a number of causes for

>>>> Fibromyalgia . . . however, IMHO, they have one thing

>>>> in cause . . . A trauma - accident, stress, illness -

>>>> that caused a disturbance in ones sleep cycle.

>>>> >>>> They've found that FM can be induced in anyone by

>>>> depriving them of enough sleep. However, when caught

>>>> up on sleep, FM symptoms disappear for most people.

>>>> However, if one is prone to FM, they keep the

>>>> symptoms! I bet those study participants who kept FM

>>>> will never forget that study!

>>>> >>>> Over the years, all my FM symptoms have disappeared,

>>>> except that, without a small amount of prescription

>>>> medication, I don't get sufficient deep sleep. I've

>>>> gone off the medication to see what happens . . .

>>>> Nothing happened, except, I woke every time my hubby

>>>> stirs. >>>> >>>> Personally, I think it's important to put all the

>>>> diagnoses aside. Take only medications that you KNOW

>>>> is helping, do everything possible to give your body

>>>> what it needs, while eliminating the stuff that harms

>>>> it. The human body has incredible healing powers! It

>>>> takes time, discipline and patience to let it do it's

>>>> work! >>>> >>>> However, when faced with a life of pain and

>>>> disability, we really have no choice but to take care

>>>> of our health the best we possibly can!

>>>> >>>> To do otherwise is self-destructive.

>>>> >>>> Hugs and prayers,

>>>> >>>> Rogene

>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

> given by licensed

>>> health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed

> health care

>>> professional before commencing any medical treatment.

>>> >>> "Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

> mislead you.

>>> Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about

> how to live a

>>> happy life and how to work for a better world." - Linus ing,

> two-time

>>> Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

>>> >>>

October 5, 2005

Hi, Judi!

Did you have hormone tests that indicated you were low on estodial and

progesterone? I cycle progesterone and take DHEA every day. The drop in

estrogen is what caused my body to ache. That's great news that your

hormones are helping your pain!! It is amazing how tangled up we can

become.

Kenda

> Hi,

>

> I wanted to add that I have had Fibro for years and have been explanted for 3

> years now and the thing that has helped me the most is going on bioidentical

> hormones. First my doctor put me on estrodial and progesterone on the Wiley

> protocol ( which is cylcing the hormones to reproduce a normal cycle) but the

> estodial which activates the immune system made the fibro worse. Now I am on

> estriol and progesterone (still using the cycling calender). and this is

> working so well!! My pain is greatly reduced. Estriol is the estrogen that is

> abundant while pregnant and it calms down the immune system so you don't abort

> the baby. Anyway this has worked for me. I feel pretty good and always

> improving as I untangle this mess my body was in.

> Love

> Judi

> Re: Re: Fibro Pain

>

> It's sad to become a pro by experience. It was quite shocking to me that

> estrogen had such a profound effect on my entire body, not just the typical

> hot flashes but the achy feeling and my IC flared as well. I knew I was

> being dramatic but I told my husband that I felt like I was dying, that

> something was really, really wrong.

>

> Kenda

>

>> Thanks Kenda,

>> You are getting to be quite a pro at this hormone thing. I am

>> thankful for your input on this. It is very valuable info to have.

>> I think our hormones are very involved in all of this!

>> Patty

>>

>>> I have a strange one to add to this, for anyone suffering with

>> fibro pain.

>>> As you know, I have been fibro-pain free for several years. Just

>> last week

>>> I developed the same debilitating pain I had been free of for so

>> long.

>>> Freaked, I saw Dr. Leu today. My estrogen has been high in the

>> past so I

>>> was put on an aromatase inhibitor a couple of weeks ago to bring

>> it down.

>>> Evidently, it brought my estrogen down too low, which triggered

>> menopausal

>>> symptoms -- hot flashes and night sweats, which I had not previous

>>> developed. The fibro symptoms I had this past week were as a

>> result of too

>>> little estrogen in my body! My IC flared horribly as well. So,

>> for anyone

>>> suffering fibro symptoms with known hormone problems, you might

>> want to go

>>> see an ND and get a hormone test to see if it could be low

>> estrogen causing

>>> your fibro pain. The pain I felt during the past week was just as

>> bad and

>>> debilitating as years ago.

>>>

>>> I skipped the aromatase inhibitor this morning and already feel a

>> bit

>>> better. I asked if this is what I have to look forward to in

>> menopause. He

>>> said no because I will be on natural HRT. It seems fibro pain

>> isn't always

>>> fibro!

>>>

>>> Kenda

>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Something to keep in mind is that Fibromyalgia is a

>>>>> Syndrome, not a disease . . . A Syndrome is a

>>>>> collection of symptoms that have enough in common to

>>>>> be given a name.

>>>>>

>>>>> I'm convinced that there are a number of causes for

>>>>> Fibromyalgia . . . however, IMHO, they have one thing

>>>>> in cause . . . A trauma - accident, stress, illness -

>>>>> that caused a disturbance in ones sleep cycle.

>>>>>

>>>>> They've found that FM can be induced in anyone by

>>>>> depriving them of enough sleep. However, when caught

>>>>> up on sleep, FM symptoms disappear for most people.

>>>>> However, if one is prone to FM, they keep the

>>>>> symptoms! I bet those study participants who kept FM

>>>>> will never forget that study!

>>>>>

>>>>> Over the years, all my FM symptoms have disappeared,

>>>>> except that, without a small amount of prescription

>>>>> medication, I don't get sufficient deep sleep. I've

>>>>> gone off the medication to see what happens . . .

>>>>> Nothing happened, except, I woke every time my hubby

>>>>> stirs.

>>>>>

>>>>> Personally, I think it's important to put all the

>>>>> diagnoses aside. Take only medications that you KNOW

>>>>> is helping, do everything possible to give your body

>>>>> what it needs, while eliminating the stuff that harms

>>>>> it. The human body has incredible healing powers! It

>>>>> takes time, discipline and patience to let it do it's

>>>>> work!

>>>>>

>>>>> However, when faced with a life of pain and

>>>>> disability, we really have no choice but to take care

>>>>> of our health the best we possibly can!

>>>>>

>>>>> To do otherwise is self-destructive.

>>>>>

>>>>> Hugs and prayers,

>>>>>

>>>>> Rogene

>>>>

>>>> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

>> given by licensed

>>>> health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed

>> health care

>>>> professional before commencing any medical treatment.

>>>>

>>>> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

>> mislead you.

>>>> Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about

>> how to live a

>>>> happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing,

>> two-time

>>>> Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

>>>>

October 5, 2005

Hi Kenda,

I have already gone through menopause so I was low in everything. I also have started to take DHEA because the tests showed I was low in that and high in cortisol. Supposedly by taking the DHEA it will bring down the cortisol because too much cortisol (in response to chronic pain) will start to tear down your body. Also low estrogen will definately cause you to ache (according to my great doctor). I think a lot of this is directly related to hormone imbalance. I know a women who is almost cured of Rhuematiod Arthritis by using the bio indentical hormones.

May we all get completely well!!

Judi Re: Re: Fibro Pain

> > > It's sad to become a pro by experience. It was quite shocking to me that

> estrogen had such a profound effect on my entire body, not just the typical

> hot flashes but the achy feeling and my IC flared as well. I knew I was

> being dramatic but I told my husband that I felt like I was dying, that

> something was really, really wrong.

> > Kenda

> > >> Thanks Kenda,

>> You are getting to be quite a pro at this hormone thing. I am

>> thankful for your input on this. It is very valuable info to have.

>> I think our hormones are very involved in all of this!

>> Patty

>> >>

>>> I have a strange one to add to this, for anyone suffering with

>> fibro pain.

>>> As you know, I have been fibro-pain free for several years. Just

>> last week

>>> I developed the same debilitating pain I had been free of for so

>> long.

>>> Freaked, I saw Dr. Leu today. My estrogen has been high in the

>> past so I

>>> was put on an aromatase inhibitor a couple of weeks ago to bring

>> it down.

>>> Evidently, it brought my estrogen down too low, which triggered

>> menopausal

>>> symptoms -- hot flashes and night sweats, which I had not previous

>>> developed. The fibro symptoms I had this past week were as a

>> result of too

>>> little estrogen in my body! My IC flared horribly as well. So,

>> for anyone

>>> suffering fibro symptoms with known hormone problems, you might

>> want to go

>>> see an ND and get a hormone test to see if it could be low

>> estrogen causing

>>> your fibro pain. The pain I felt during the past week was just as

>> bad and

>>> debilitating as years ago.

>>> >>> I skipped the aromatase inhibitor this morning and already feel a

>> bit

>>> better. I asked if this is what I have to look forward to in

>> menopause. He

>>> said no because I will be on natural HRT. It seems fibro pain

>> isn't always

>>> fibro! >>> >>> Kenda

>>> >>> >>>>> >>>>> Something to keep in mind is that Fibromyalgia is a

>>>>> Syndrome, not a disease . . . A Syndrome is a

>>>>> collection of symptoms that have enough in common to

>>>>> be given a name.

>>>>> >>>>> I'm convinced that there are a number of causes for

>>>>> Fibromyalgia . . . however, IMHO, they have one thing

>>>>> in cause . . . A trauma - accident, stress, illness -

>>>>> that caused a disturbance in ones sleep cycle.

>>>>> >>>>> They've found that FM can be induced in anyone by

>>>>> depriving them of enough sleep. However, when caught

>>>>> up on sleep, FM symptoms disappear for most people.

>>>>> However, if one is prone to FM, they keep the

>>>>> symptoms! I bet those study participants who kept FM

>>>>> will never forget that study!

>>>>> >>>>> Over the years, all my FM symptoms have disappeared,

>>>>> except that, without a small amount of prescription

>>>>> medication, I don't get sufficient deep sleep. I've

>>>>> gone off the medication to see what happens . . .

>>>>> Nothing happened, except, I woke every time my hubby

>>>>> stirs. >>>>> >>>>> Personally, I think it's important to put all the

>>>>> diagnoses aside. Take only medications that you KNOW

>>>>> is helping, do everything possible to give your body

>>>>> what it needs, while eliminating the stuff that harms

>>>>> it. The human body has incredible healing powers! It

>>>>> takes time, discipline and patience to let it do it's

>>>>> work! >>>>> >>>>> However, when faced with a life of pain and

>>>>> disability, we really have no choice but to take care

>>>>> of our health the best we possibly can!

>>>>> >>>>> To do otherwise is self-destructive.

>>>>> >>>>> Hugs and prayers,

>>>>> >>>>> Rogene

>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

>> given by licensed

>>>> health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed

>> health care

>>>> professional before commencing any medical treatment.

>>>> >>>> "Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

>> mislead you.

>>>> Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about

>> how to live a

>>>> happy life and how to work for a better world." - Linus ing,

>> two-time

>>>> Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

>>>> >>>>

October 5, 2005

If you dont' mind my asking, do you have insurance for this? I would like to do

this, but

wonder if we could ever afford it..

> >>>> I have a strange one to add to this, for anyone suffering with

> > fibro pain.

> >>>> As you know, I have been fibro-pain free for several years.

> > Just last week

> >>>> I developed the same debilitating pain I had been free of for

> > so long.

> >>>> Freaked, I saw Dr. Leu today. My estrogen has been high in the

> > past so I

> >>>> was put on an aromatase inhibitor a couple of weeks ago to

> > bring it down.

> >>>> Evidently, it brought my estrogen down too low, which triggered

> > menopausal

> >>>> symptoms -- hot flashes and night sweats, which I had not

> > previous

> >>>> developed. The fibro symptoms I had this past week were as a

> > result of too

> >>>> little estrogen in my body! My IC flared horribly as well.

> > So, for anyone

> >>>> suffering fibro symptoms with known hormone problems, you might

> > want to go

> >>>> see an ND and get a hormone test to see if it could be low

> > estrogen causing

> >>>> your fibro pain. The pain I felt during the past week was just

> > as bad and

> >>>> debilitating as years ago.

> >>>>

> >>>> I skipped the aromatase inhibitor this morning and already feel

> > a bit

> >>>> better. I asked if this is what I have to look forward to in

> > menopause. He

> >>>> said no because I will be on natural HRT. It seems fibro pain

> > isn't always

> >>>> fibro!

> >>>>

> >>>> Kenda

> >>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Something to keep in mind is that Fibromyalgia is a

> >>>>>> Syndrome, not a disease . . . A Syndrome is a

> >>>>>> collection of symptoms that have enough in common to

> >>>>>> be given a name.

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> I'm convinced that there are a number of causes for

> >>>>>> Fibromyalgia . . . however, IMHO, they have one thing

> >>>>>> in cause . . . A trauma - accident, stress, illness -

> >>>>>> that caused a disturbance in ones sleep cycle.

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> They've found that FM can be induced in anyone by

> >>>>>> depriving them of enough sleep. However, when caught

> >>>>>> up on sleep, FM symptoms disappear for most people.

> >>>>>> However, if one is prone to FM, they keep the

> >>>>>> symptoms! I bet those study participants who kept FM

> >>>>>> will never forget that study!

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Over the years, all my FM symptoms have disappeared,

> >>>>>> except that, without a small amount of prescription

> >>>>>> medication, I don't get sufficient deep sleep. I've

> >>>>>> gone off the medication to see what happens . . .

> >>>>>> Nothing happened, except, I woke every time my hubby

> >>>>>> stirs.

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Personally, I think it's important to put all the

> >>>>>> diagnoses aside. Take only medications that you KNOW

> >>>>>> is helping, do everything possible to give your body

> >>>>>> what it needs, while eliminating the stuff that harms

> >>>>>> it. The human body has incredible healing powers! It

> >>>>>> takes time, discipline and patience to let it do it's

> >>>>>> work!

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> However, when faced with a life of pain and

> >>>>>> disability, we really have no choice but to take care

> >>>>>> of our health the best we possibly can!

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> To do otherwise is self-destructive.

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Hugs and prayers,

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Rogene

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

> > given by

> >>>>> licensed

> >>>>> health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed

> > health care

> >>>>> professional before commencing any medical treatment.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

> > mislead you.

> >>>>> Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about

> > how to live a

> >>>>> happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus

> > ing, two-time

> >>>>> Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> >>>>>

October 5, 2005

No, nothing I do with Dr. Leu is covered by my health insurance. If you

live in a state where NDs are licensed, his testing would be covered.

Unfortunately my state isn't one of the few.

Kenda

> If you dont' mind my asking, do you have insurance for this? I would like to

> do this, but

> wonder if we could ever afford it..

>

>>>>>> I have a strange one to add to this, for anyone suffering with

>>> fibro pain.

>>>>>> As you know, I have been fibro-pain free for several years.

>>> Just last week

>>>>>> I developed the same debilitating pain I had been free of for

>>> so long.

>>>>>> Freaked, I saw Dr. Leu today. My estrogen has been high in the

>>> past so I

>>>>>> was put on an aromatase inhibitor a couple of weeks ago to

>>> bring it down.

>>>>>> Evidently, it brought my estrogen down too low, which triggered

>>> menopausal

>>>>>> symptoms -- hot flashes and night sweats, which I had not

>>> previous

>>>>>> developed. The fibro symptoms I had this past week were as a

>>> result of too

>>>>>> little estrogen in my body! My IC flared horribly as well.

>>> So, for anyone

>>>>>> suffering fibro symptoms with known hormone problems, you might

>>> want to go

>>>>>> see an ND and get a hormone test to see if it could be low

>>> estrogen causing

>>>>>> your fibro pain. The pain I felt during the past week was just

>>> as bad and

>>>>>> debilitating as years ago.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I skipped the aromatase inhibitor this morning and already feel

>>> a bit

>>>>>> better. I asked if this is what I have to look forward to in

>>> menopause. He

>>>>>> said no because I will be on natural HRT. It seems fibro pain

>>> isn't always

>>>>>> fibro!

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Kenda

>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Something to keep in mind is that Fibromyalgia is a

>>>>>>>> Syndrome, not a disease . . . A Syndrome is a

>>>>>>>> collection of symptoms that have enough in common to

>>>>>>>> be given a name.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> I'm convinced that there are a number of causes for

>>>>>>>> Fibromyalgia . . . however, IMHO, they have one thing

>>>>>>>> in cause . . . A trauma - accident, stress, illness -

>>>>>>>> that caused a disturbance in ones sleep cycle.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> They've found that FM can be induced in anyone by

>>>>>>>> depriving them of enough sleep. However, when caught

>>>>>>>> up on sleep, FM symptoms disappear for most people.

>>>>>>>> However, if one is prone to FM, they keep the

>>>>>>>> symptoms! I bet those study participants who kept FM

>>>>>>>> will never forget that study!

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Over the years, all my FM symptoms have disappeared,

>>>>>>>> except that, without a small amount of prescription

>>>>>>>> medication, I don't get sufficient deep sleep. I've

>>>>>>>> gone off the medication to see what happens . . .

>>>>>>>> Nothing happened, except, I woke every time my hubby

>>>>>>>> stirs.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Personally, I think it's important to put all the

>>>>>>>> diagnoses aside. Take only medications that you KNOW

>>>>>>>> is helping, do everything possible to give your body

>>>>>>>> what it needs, while eliminating the stuff that harms

>>>>>>>> it. The human body has incredible healing powers! It

>>>>>>>> takes time, discipline and patience to let it do it's

>>>>>>>> work!

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> However, when faced with a life of pain and

>>>>>>>> disability, we really have no choice but to take care

>>>>>>>> of our health the best we possibly can!

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> To do otherwise is self-destructive.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Hugs and prayers,

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Rogene

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

>>> given by

>>>>>>> licensed

>>>>>>> health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed

>>> health care

>>>>>>> professional before commencing any medical treatment.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

>>> mislead you.

>>>>>>> Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about

>>> how to live a

>>>>>>> happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus

>>> ing, two-time

>>>>>>> Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

>>>>>>>

October 5, 2005

Hi Judi,

What are bioidential hormones? I can speak for low estrogen's toxic affects

on the body. It was only a week but I was miserable and scared.

Kenda

> Hi Kenda,

>

> I have already gone through menopause so I was low in everything. I also have

> started to take DHEA because the tests showed I was low in that and high in

> cortisol. Supposedly by taking the DHEA it will bring down the cortisol

> because too much cortisol (in response to chronic pain) will start to tear

> down your body. Also low estrogen will definately cause you to ache (according

> to my great doctor). I think a lot of this is directly related to hormone

> imbalance. I know a women who is almost cured of Rhuematiod Arthritis by

> using the bio indentical hormones.

> May we all get completely well!!

> Judi

>

> Re: Re: Fibro Pain

>>

>> It's sad to become a pro by experience. It was quite shocking to me that

>> estrogen had such a profound effect on my entire body, not just the typical

>> hot flashes but the achy feeling and my IC flared as well. I knew I was

>> being dramatic but I told my husband that I felt like I was dying, that

>> something was really, really wrong.

>>

>> Kenda

>>

>>> Thanks Kenda,

>>> You are getting to be quite a pro at this hormone thing. I am

>>> thankful for your input on this. It is very valuable info to have.

>>> I think our hormones are very involved in all of this!

>>> Patty

>>>

>>>> I have a strange one to add to this, for anyone suffering with

>>> fibro pain.

>>>> As you know, I have been fibro-pain free for several years. Just

>>> last week

>>>> I developed the same debilitating pain I had been free of for so

>>> long.

>>>> Freaked, I saw Dr. Leu today. My estrogen has been high in the

>>> past so I

>>>> was put on an aromatase inhibitor a couple of weeks ago to bring

>>> it down.

>>>> Evidently, it brought my estrogen down too low, which triggered

>>> menopausal

>>>> symptoms -- hot flashes and night sweats, which I had not previous

>>>> developed. The fibro symptoms I had this past week were as a

>>> result of too

>>>> little estrogen in my body! My IC flared horribly as well. So,

>>> for anyone

>>>> suffering fibro symptoms with known hormone problems, you might

>>> want to go

>>>> see an ND and get a hormone test to see if it could be low

>>> estrogen causing

>>>> your fibro pain. The pain I felt during the past week was just as

>>> bad and

>>>> debilitating as years ago.

>>>>

>>>> I skipped the aromatase inhibitor this morning and already feel a

>>> bit

>>>> better. I asked if this is what I have to look forward to in

>>> menopause. He

>>>> said no because I will be on natural HRT. It seems fibro pain

>>> isn't always

>>>> fibro!

>>>>

>>>> Kenda

>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Something to keep in mind is that Fibromyalgia is a

>>>>>> Syndrome, not a disease . . . A Syndrome is a

>>>>>> collection of symptoms that have enough in common to

>>>>>> be given a name.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I'm convinced that there are a number of causes for

>>>>>> Fibromyalgia . . . however, IMHO, they have one thing

>>>>>> in cause . . . A trauma - accident, stress, illness -

>>>>>> that caused a disturbance in ones sleep cycle.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> They've found that FM can be induced in anyone by

>>>>>> depriving them of enough sleep. However, when caught

>>>>>> up on sleep, FM symptoms disappear for most people.

>>>>>> However, if one is prone to FM, they keep the

>>>>>> symptoms! I bet those study participants who kept FM

>>>>>> will never forget that study!

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Over the years, all my FM symptoms have disappeared,

>>>>>> except that, without a small amount of prescription

>>>>>> medication, I don't get sufficient deep sleep. I've

>>>>>> gone off the medication to see what happens . . .

>>>>>> Nothing happened, except, I woke every time my hubby

>>>>>> stirs.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Personally, I think it's important to put all the

>>>>>> diagnoses aside. Take only medications that you KNOW

>>>>>> is helping, do everything possible to give your body

>>>>>> what it needs, while eliminating the stuff that harms

>>>>>> it. The human body has incredible healing powers! It

>>>>>> takes time, discipline and patience to let it do it's

>>>>>> work!

>>>>>>

>>>>>> However, when faced with a life of pain and

>>>>>> disability, we really have no choice but to take care

>>>>>> of our health the best we possibly can!

>>>>>>

>>>>>> To do otherwise is self-destructive.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Hugs and prayers,

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Rogene

>>>>>

>>>>> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

>>> given by licensed

>>>>> health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed

>>> health care

>>>>> professional before commencing any medical treatment.

>>>>>

>>>>> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

>>> mislead you.

>>>>> Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about

>>> how to live a

>>>>> happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing,

>>> two-time

>>>>> Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

>>>>>

October 5, 2005

Kenda,

How do you cycle your progesterone? I tried that once and suddenly

started my period mid-cycle...it was a shock. I didn't know what to

do at that point, but quit the progesterone. Since then I've barely

done a thing where my hormones are concerned, but I feel like I need

to start paying more attention to them all.

I started my Armour thyroid up again.

Maybe I should take DHEA too.

What about this estrogen? How do you know when you should be doing

estrogen or progesterone and how much?

Patty

> >>> I have a strange one to add to this, for anyone suffering with

> >> fibro pain.

> >>> As you know, I have been fibro-pain free for several years.

Just

> >> last week

> >>> I developed the same debilitating pain I had been free of for

so

> >> long.

> >>> Freaked, I saw Dr. Leu today. My estrogen has been high in the

> >> past so I

> >>> was put on an aromatase inhibitor a couple of weeks ago to

bring

> >> it down.

> >>> Evidently, it brought my estrogen down too low, which triggered

> >> menopausal

> >>> symptoms -- hot flashes and night sweats, which I had not

> >> result of too

> >>> little estrogen in my body! My IC flared horribly as well.

So,

> >> for anyone

> >>> suffering fibro symptoms with known hormone problems, you might

> >> want to go

> >>> see an ND and get a hormone test to see if it could be low

> >> estrogen causing

> >>> your fibro pain. The pain I felt during the past week was

just as

> >> bad and

> >>> debilitating as years ago.

> >>>

> >>> I skipped the aromatase inhibitor this morning and already

feel a

> >> bit

> >>> better. I asked if this is what I have to look forward to in

> >> menopause. He

> >>> said no because I will be on natural HRT. It seems fibro pain

> >> isn't always

> >>> fibro!

> >>>

> >>> Kenda

> >>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Something to keep in mind is that Fibromyalgia is a

> >>>>> Syndrome, not a disease . . . A Syndrome is a

> >>>>> collection of symptoms that have enough in common to

> >>>>> be given a name.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> I'm convinced that there are a number of causes for

> >>>>> Fibromyalgia . . . however, IMHO, they have one thing

> >>>>> in cause . . . A trauma - accident, stress, illness -

> >>>>> that caused a disturbance in ones sleep cycle.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> They've found that FM can be induced in anyone by

> >>>>> depriving them of enough sleep. However, when caught

> >>>>> up on sleep, FM symptoms disappear for most people.

> >>>>> However, if one is prone to FM, they keep the

> >>>>> symptoms! I bet those study participants who kept FM

> >>>>> will never forget that study!

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Over the years, all my FM symptoms have disappeared,

> >>>>> except that, without a small amount of prescription

> >>>>> medication, I don't get sufficient deep sleep. I've

> >>>>> gone off the medication to see what happens . . .

> >>>>> Nothing happened, except, I woke every time my hubby

> >>>>> stirs.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Personally, I think it's important to put all the

> >>>>> diagnoses aside. Take only medications that you KNOW

> >>>>> is helping, do everything possible to give your body

> >>>>> what it needs, while eliminating the stuff that harms

> >>>>> it. The human body has incredible healing powers! It

> >>>>> takes time, discipline and patience to let it do it's

> >>>>> work!

> >>>>>

> >>>>> However, when faced with a life of pain and

> >>>>> disability, we really have no choice but to take care

> >>>>> of our health the best we possibly can!

> >>>>>

> >>>>> To do otherwise is self-destructive.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Hugs and prayers,

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Rogene

> >>>>

> >>>> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

> >> given by licensed

> >>>> health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed

> >> health care

> >>>> professional before commencing any medical treatment.

> >>>>

> >>>> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

> >> mislead you.

> >>>> Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about

> >> how to live a

> >>>> happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus

ing,

> >> two-time

> >>>> Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> >>>>

October 5, 2005

Wow, this bioidentical hormone thing sure sounds helpful! But I am

scared of hormones to tell you the truth. All that talk about

cancer and heart disease and all...do we know it is safe?

Patty

> >>> I have a strange one to add to this, for anyone suffering with

> >> fibro pain.

> >>> As you know, I have been fibro-pain free for several years.

Just

> >> last week

> >>> I developed the same debilitating pain I had been free of for

so

> >> long.

> >>> Freaked, I saw Dr. Leu today. My estrogen has been high in the

> >> past so I

> >>> was put on an aromatase inhibitor a couple of weeks ago to

bring

> >> it down.

> >>> Evidently, it brought my estrogen down too low, which triggered

> >> menopausal

> >>> symptoms -- hot flashes and night sweats, which I had not

> >> result of too

> >>> little estrogen in my body! My IC flared horribly as well.

So,

> >> for anyone

> >>> suffering fibro symptoms with known hormone problems, you might

> >> want to go

> >>> see an ND and get a hormone test to see if it could be low

> >> estrogen causing

> >>> your fibro pain. The pain I felt during the past week was

just as

> >> bad and

> >>> debilitating as years ago.

> >>>

> >>> I skipped the aromatase inhibitor this morning and already

feel a

> >> bit

> >>> better. I asked if this is what I have to look forward to in

> >> menopause. He

> >>> said no because I will be on natural HRT. It seems fibro pain

> >> isn't always

> >>> fibro!

> >>>

> >>> Kenda

> >>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Something to keep in mind is that Fibromyalgia is a

> >>>>> Syndrome, not a disease . . . A Syndrome is a

> >>>>> collection of symptoms that have enough in common to

> >>>>> be given a name.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> I'm convinced that there are a number of causes for

> >>>>> Fibromyalgia . . . however, IMHO, they have one thing

> >>>>> in cause . . . A trauma - accident, stress, illness -

> >>>>> that caused a disturbance in ones sleep cycle.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> They've found that FM can be induced in anyone by

> >>>>> depriving them of enough sleep. However, when caught

> >>>>> up on sleep, FM symptoms disappear for most people.

> >>>>> However, if one is prone to FM, they keep the

> >>>>> symptoms! I bet those study participants who kept FM

> >>>>> will never forget that study!

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Over the years, all my FM symptoms have disappeared,

> >>>>> except that, without a small amount of prescription

> >>>>> medication, I don't get sufficient deep sleep. I've

> >>>>> gone off the medication to see what happens . . .

> >>>>> Nothing happened, except, I woke every time my hubby

> >>>>> stirs.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Personally, I think it's important to put all the

> >>>>> diagnoses aside. Take only medications that you KNOW

> >>>>> is helping, do everything possible to give your body

> >>>>> what it needs, while eliminating the stuff that harms

> >>>>> it. The human body has incredible healing powers! It

> >>>>> takes time, discipline and patience to let it do it's

> >>>>> work!

> >>>>>

> >>>>> However, when faced with a life of pain and

> >>>>> disability, we really have no choice but to take care

> >>>>> of our health the best we possibly can!

> >>>>>

> >>>>> To do otherwise is self-destructive.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Hugs and prayers,

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Rogene

> >>>>

> >>>> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

> >> given by licensed

> >>>> health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed

> >> health care

> >>>> professional before commencing any medical treatment.

> >>>>

> >>>> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

> >> mislead you.

> >>>> Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about

> >> how to live a

> >>>> happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus

ing,

> >> two-time

> >>>> Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> >>>>

October 5, 2005

Hi Patty!

I would definitely get your hormones tested, it would be nearly impossible

to know how much of any particular hormone to take, short of a test. Even

with test results, it's difficult to balance but you have a baseline to know

what is off prior to hormone supplementation and later tests show how your

body is utilizing the hormones. I used to take progesterone 28 days a month

but became toxically high in progesterone. I now take progesterone on days

21 to 28 only. I take DHEA every day. Different hormones become other

hormones when they are high. Too much DHEA can turn into testosterone. My

last test showed my estrogen high so Dr. Leu wanted to bring it down because

too much estrogen can be a precursor to female cancers. If you take too

much of certain hormones, it affects them all. Hormones are scary stuff, I

wouldn't mess with them without an ND's help.

Kenda

> Kenda,

> How do you cycle your progesterone? I tried that once and suddenly

> started my period mid-cycle...it was a shock. I didn't know what to

> do at that point, but quit the progesterone. Since then I've barely

> done a thing where my hormones are concerned, but I feel like I need

> to start paying more attention to them all.

>

> I started my Armour thyroid up again.

>

> Maybe I should take DHEA too.

>

> What about this estrogen? How do you know when you should be doing

> estrogen or progesterone and how much?

> Patty

>

>>>>> I have a strange one to add to this, for anyone suffering with

>>>> fibro pain.

>>>>> As you know, I have been fibro-pain free for several years.

> Just

>>>> last week

>>>>> I developed the same debilitating pain I had been free of for

> so

>>>> long.

>>>>> Freaked, I saw Dr. Leu today. My estrogen has been high in the

>>>> past so I

>>>>> was put on an aromatase inhibitor a couple of weeks ago to

> bring

>>>> it down.

>>>>> Evidently, it brought my estrogen down too low, which triggered

>>>> menopausal

>>>>> symptoms -- hot flashes and night sweats, which I had not

> previous

>>>>> developed. The fibro symptoms I had this past week were as a

>>>> result of too

>>>>> little estrogen in my body! My IC flared horribly as well.

> So,

>>>> for anyone

>>>>> suffering fibro symptoms with known hormone problems, you might

>>>> want to go

>>>>> see an ND and get a hormone test to see if it could be low

>>>> estrogen causing

>>>>> your fibro pain. The pain I felt during the past week was

> just as

>>>> bad and

>>>>> debilitating as years ago.

>>>>>

>>>>> I skipped the aromatase inhibitor this morning and already

> feel a

>>>> bit

>>>>> better. I asked if this is what I have to look forward to in

>>>> menopause. He

>>>>> said no because I will be on natural HRT. It seems fibro pain

>>>> isn't always

>>>>> fibro!

>>>>>

>>>>> Kenda

>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Something to keep in mind is that Fibromyalgia is a

>>>>>>> Syndrome, not a disease . . . A Syndrome is a

>>>>>>> collection of symptoms that have enough in common to

>>>>>>> be given a name.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> I'm convinced that there are a number of causes for

>>>>>>> Fibromyalgia . . . however, IMHO, they have one thing

>>>>>>> in cause . . . A trauma - accident, stress, illness -

>>>>>>> that caused a disturbance in ones sleep cycle.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> They've found that FM can be induced in anyone by

>>>>>>> depriving them of enough sleep. However, when caught

>>>>>>> up on sleep, FM symptoms disappear for most people.

>>>>>>> However, if one is prone to FM, they keep the

>>>>>>> symptoms! I bet those study participants who kept FM

>>>>>>> will never forget that study!

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Over the years, all my FM symptoms have disappeared,

>>>>>>> except that, without a small amount of prescription

>>>>>>> medication, I don't get sufficient deep sleep. I've

>>>>>>> gone off the medication to see what happens . . .

>>>>>>> Nothing happened, except, I woke every time my hubby

>>>>>>> stirs.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Personally, I think it's important to put all the

>>>>>>> diagnoses aside. Take only medications that you KNOW

>>>>>>> is helping, do everything possible to give your body

>>>>>>> what it needs, while eliminating the stuff that harms

>>>>>>> it. The human body has incredible healing powers! It

>>>>>>> takes time, discipline and patience to let it do it's

>>>>>>> work!

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> However, when faced with a life of pain and

>>>>>>> disability, we really have no choice but to take care

>>>>>>> of our health the best we possibly can!

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> To do otherwise is self-destructive.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Hugs and prayers,

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Rogene

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

>>>> given by licensed

>>>>>> health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed

>>>> health care

>>>>>> professional before commencing any medical treatment.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

>>>> mislead you.

>>>>>> Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about

>>>> how to live a

>>>>>> happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus

> ing,

>>>> two-time

>>>>>> Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

>>>>>>

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