Re: Fibro pain

October 7, 2005

ND's or chiropractors will be more likely to sell you a bottle to use at

home. I have had no problem with either of mine. According to my

chiropractor, you don't want to use B-12/complex for extended periods of

time because it affects the blood somehow. Don't quote me because it has

been years since he explained it to me, but I think it had something to do

with changing the cell shape over time. I'll ask the next time I see him in

a few weeks.

Kenda

> Normally you have to go through your doctor. They test you and find

> you low in B-12 and so they give you shots in the office. Some

> women go in regularly for these shots. In some cases the doctor or

> nurse will teach you how to give shots to yourself, and then give

> you a prescription for a vial of cyanocobalamin.

>

> However, this is the rare case. Many doctors are just not this

> easy, and, well, you know the story. It's a fight to get what you

> need.

>

> You can't OD on Vitamin B-12. The worst thing that can happen is

> that you just lose the excess in your urine. To the contrary, if

> you are deficient in B-12, you can suffer neurological damage that

> can become permanent. So it seems to me that doctors should be more

> concerned about a deficiency rather than an overdose, doesn't that

> seem prudent?

>

> But since that is not the case, you can take sublingual B-12 in

> either the methylcobalamin form, (which is the best form to take) or

> cyanocobalamin. It is important to get the sublingual tablets!

> Your stomach acid will just destroy what you take by mouth.

>

> For those, like me, who wanted to get the shots, there are ways to

> buy the vials online or through the mail from offshore pharmacies. I

> work with one in Mexico that is American based, so I can be assured

> that I am getting exactly what I am requesting. My sister is a

> nurse, so she taught me how to give myself shots.

>

> I can tell you that when I first started the B-12 shots, it made a

> world of difference! I went from feeling lethargic to feeling like

> dancing. It was that pronounced.

>

> There are also foods that are good sources of B-12, mainly meat, so

> most people are not deficient in B-12 if they eat alot of meat.

> However, our implant illness has had an effect on our body such that

> it seems B-12 is an issue. Symptoms of B-12 deficiency include

> numbness and tingling, which many of us have had.

>

> It is worth looking into!

> Patty

>

>>>>>>>>> I have a strange one to add to this, for anyone suffering

>>>>> with

>>>>>>>> fibro pain.

>>>>>>>>> As you know, I have been fibro-pain free for several

> years.

>>>>>>> Just

>>>>>>>> last week

>>>>>>>>> I developed the same debilitating pain I had been free of

>>>>> for

>>>>>> so

>>>>>>>> long.

>>>>>>>>> Freaked, I saw Dr. Leu today. My estrogen has been high

> in

>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>> past so I

>>>>>>>>> was put on an aromatase inhibitor a couple of weeks ago

> to

>>>>>> bring

>>>>>>>> it down.

>>>>>>>>> Evidently, it brought my estrogen down too low, which

>>>>>> triggered

>>>>>>>> menopausal

>>>>>>>>> symptoms -- hot flashes and night sweats, which I had

> not

>>>>>>> previous

>>>>>>>>> developed. The fibro symptoms I had this past week

> were as

>>>>> a

>>>>>>>> result of too

>>>>>>>>> little estrogen in my body! My IC flared horribly as

> well.

>>>>>> So,

>>>>>>>> for anyone

>>>>>>>>> suffering fibro symptoms with known hormone problems, you

>>>>>> might

>>>>>>>> want to go

>>>>>>>>> see an ND and get a hormone test to see if it could be

> low

>>>>>>>> estrogen causing

>>>>>>>>> your fibro pain. The pain I felt during the past week

> was

>>>>>> just

>>>>>>> as

>>>>>>>> bad and

>>>>>>>>> debilitating as years ago.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> I skipped the aromatase inhibitor this morning and

> already

>>>>>> feel

>>>>>>> a

>>>>>>>> bit

>>>>>>>>> better. I asked if this is what I have to look forward

> to

>>>>> in

>>>>>>>> menopause. He

>>>>>>>>> said no because I will be on natural HRT. It seems fibro

>>>>> pain

>>>>>>>> isn't always

>>>>>>>>> fibro!

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Kenda

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Something to keep in mind is that Fibromyalgia is a

>>>>>>>>>>> Syndrome, not a disease . . . A Syndrome is a

>>>>>>>>>>> collection of symptoms that have enough in common to

>>>>>>>>>>> be given a name.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> I'm convinced that there are a number of causes for

>>>>>>>>>>> Fibromyalgia . . . however, IMHO, they have one thing

>>>>>>>>>>> in cause . . . A trauma - accident, stress, illness -

>>>>>>>>>>> that caused a disturbance in ones sleep cycle.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> They've found that FM can be induced in anyone by

>>>>>>>>>>> depriving them of enough sleep. However, when caught

>>>>>>>>>>> up on sleep, FM symptoms disappear for most people.

>>>>>>>>>>> However, if one is prone to FM, they keep the

>>>>>>>>>>> symptoms! I bet those study participants who kept FM

>>>>>>>>>>> will never forget that study!

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Over the years, all my FM symptoms have disappeared,

>>>>>>>>>>> except that, without a small amount of prescription

>>>>>>>>>>> medication, I don't get sufficient deep sleep. I've

>>>>>>>>>>> gone off the medication to see what happens . . .

>>>>>>>>>>> Nothing happened, except, I woke every time my hubby

>>>>>>>>>>> stirs.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Personally, I think it's important to put all the

>>>>>>>>>>> diagnoses aside. Take only medications that you KNOW

>>>>>>>>>>> is helping, do everything possible to give your body

>>>>>>>>>>> what it needs, while eliminating the stuff that harms

>>>>>>>>>>> it. The human body has incredible healing powers! It

>>>>>>>>>>> takes time, discipline and patience to let it do it's

>>>>>>>>>>> work!

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> However, when faced with a life of pain and

>>>>>>>>>>> disability, we really have no choice but to take care

>>>>>>>>>>> of our health the best we possibly can!

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> To do otherwise is self-destructive.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Hugs and prayers,

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Rogene

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of

>>>>> advice

>>>>>>>> given by licensed

>>>>>>>>>> health care professionals. Consult your physician or

>>>>>> licensed

>>>>>>>> health care

>>>>>>>>>> professional before commencing any medical treatment.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the

>>>>>> politicians

>>>>>>>> mislead you.

>>>>>>>>>> Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions

>>>>>> about

>>>>>>>> how to live a

>>>>>>>>>> happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus

>>>>>>> ing,

>>>>>>>> two-time

>>>>>>>>>> Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

>>>>>>>>>>

October 7, 2005

I enjoy going to my ND, I enjoy finding out what is going on with my body

and ways to help it. I have been disappointed by lab results many times but

still enjoy learning from him. I am a test junkie!

Kenda

> I hate going to the doctor too. I try to do just about everything

> without them. I guess I have been disappointed one too many times.

> Hugs, kathy

>

>>>>>>>> I have a strange one to add to this, for anyone

>> suffering

>>>> with

>>>>>>> fibro pain.

>>>>>>>> As you know, I have been fibro-pain free for several

>>> years.

>>>>>> Just

>>>>>>> last week

>>>>>>>> I developed the same debilitating pain I had been free

>> of

>>>> for

>>>>> so

>>>>>>> long.

>>>>>>>> Freaked, I saw Dr. Leu today. My estrogen has been

> high

>>> in

>>>>> the

>>>>>>> past so I

>>>>>>>> was put on an aromatase inhibitor a couple of weeks

> ago

>> to

>>>>> bring

>>>>>>> it down.

>>>>>>>> Evidently, it brought my estrogen down too low, which

>>>>> triggered

>>>>>>> menopausal

>>>>>>>> symptoms -- hot flashes and night sweats, which I had

>> not

>>>>>> previous

>>>>>>>> developed. The fibro symptoms I had this past week

>> were

>>> as

>>>> a

>>>>>>> result of too

>>>>>>>> little estrogen in my body! My IC flared horribly as

>>> well.

>>>>> So,

>>>>>>> for anyone

>>>>>>>> suffering fibro symptoms with known hormone problems,

>> you

>>>>> might

>>>>>>> want to go

>>>>>>>> see an ND and get a hormone test to see if it could be

>> low

>>>>>>> estrogen causing

>>>>>>>> your fibro pain. The pain I felt during the past week

>> was

>>>>> just

>>>>>> as

>>>>>>> bad and

>>>>>>>> debilitating as years ago.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> I skipped the aromatase inhibitor this morning and

>> already

>>>>> feel

>>>>>> a

>>>>>>> bit

>>>>>>>> better. I asked if this is what I have to look

> forward

>> to

>>>> in

>>>>>>> menopause. He

>>>>>>>> said no because I will be on natural HRT. It seems

>> fibro

>>>> pain

>>>>>>> isn't always

>>>>>>>> fibro!

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Kenda

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Something to keep in mind is that Fibromyalgia is a

>>>>>>>>>> Syndrome, not a disease . . . A Syndrome is a

>>>>>>>>>> collection of symptoms that have enough in common to

>>>>>>>>>> be given a name.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> I'm convinced that there are a number of causes for

>>>>>>>>>> Fibromyalgia . . . however, IMHO, they have one

> thing

>>>>>>>>>> in cause . . . A trauma - accident, stress,

> illness -

>>>>>>>>>> that caused a disturbance in ones sleep cycle.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> They've found that FM can be induced in anyone by

>>>>>>>>>> depriving them of enough sleep. However, when caught

>>>>>>>>>> up on sleep, FM symptoms disappear for most people.

>>>>>>>>>> However, if one is prone to FM, they keep the

>>>>>>>>>> symptoms! I bet those study participants who kept FM

>>>>>>>>>> will never forget that study!

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Over the years, all my FM symptoms have disappeared,

>>>>>>>>>> except that, without a small amount of prescription

>>>>>>>>>> medication, I don't get sufficient deep sleep. I've

>>>>>>>>>> gone off the medication to see what happens . . .

>>>>>>>>>> Nothing happened, except, I woke every time my hubby

>>>>>>>>>> stirs.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Personally, I think it's important to put all the

>>>>>>>>>> diagnoses aside. Take only medications that you KNOW

>>>>>>>>>> is helping, do everything possible to give your body

>>>>>>>>>> what it needs, while eliminating the stuff that

> harms

>>>>>>>>>> it. The human body has incredible healing powers! It

>>>>>>>>>> takes time, discipline and patience to let it do

> it's

>>>>>>>>>> work!

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> However, when faced with a life of pain and

>>>>>>>>>> disability, we really have no choice but to take

> care

>>>>>>>>>> of our health the best we possibly can!

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> To do otherwise is self-destructive.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Hugs and prayers,

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Rogene

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place

> of

>>>> advice

>>>>>>> given by licensed

>>>>>>>>> health care professionals. Consult your physician or

>>>>> licensed

>>>>>>> health care

>>>>>>>>> professional before commencing any medical treatment.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the

>>>>> politicians

>>>>>>> mislead you.

>>>>>>>>> Find out what the facts are, and make your own

>> decisions

>>>>> about

>>>>>>> how to live a

>>>>>>>>> happy life and how to work for a better world. " -

>> Linus

>>>>>> ing,

>>>>>>> two-time

>>>>>>>>> Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

>>>>>>>>>

October 7, 2005

kendra

I have tested twice over the past four years with an excessive b12

level. I definitely was not supplementing either. What would

Dr.Leu say about that? I once found a very remote connection between

high b12 and low iron but could never find it again on the

internet. I am puzzled why I would have a high level--well outside

the norm. Also my folic acid was above normal at one time. Because

of this I have been afraid to use any sublingual b12. Any info

would be appreciated.

Hugs,kathy

> >>>>>>>>> I have a strange one to add to this, for anyone suffering

> >>>>> with

> >>>>>>>> fibro pain.

> >>>>>>>>> As you know, I have been fibro-pain free for several

> > years.

> >>>>>>> Just

> >>>>>>>> last week

> >>>>>>>>> I developed the same debilitating pain I had been free of

> >>>>> for

> >>>>>> so

> >>>>>>>> long.

> >>>>>>>>> Freaked, I saw Dr. Leu today. My estrogen has been high

> > in

> >>>>>> the

> >>>>>>>> past so I

> >>>>>>>>> was put on an aromatase inhibitor a couple of weeks ago

> > to

> >>>>>> bring

> >>>>>>>> it down.

> >>>>>>>>> Evidently, it brought my estrogen down too low, which

> >>>>>> triggered

> >>>>>>>> menopausal

> >>>>>>>>> symptoms -- hot flashes and night sweats, which I had

> > not

> >>>>>>> previous

> >>>>>>>>> developed. The fibro symptoms I had this past week

> > were as

> >>>>> a

> >>>>>>>> result of too

> >>>>>>>>> little estrogen in my body! My IC flared horribly as

> > well.

> >>>>>> So,

> >>>>>>>> for anyone

> >>>>>>>>> suffering fibro symptoms with known hormone problems, you

> >>>>>> might

> >>>>>>>> want to go

> >>>>>>>>> see an ND and get a hormone test to see if it could be

> > low

> >>>>>>>> estrogen causing

> >>>>>>>>> your fibro pain. The pain I felt during the past week

> > was

> >>>>>> just

> >>>>>>> as

> >>>>>>>> bad and

> >>>>>>>>> debilitating as years ago.

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> I skipped the aromatase inhibitor this morning and

> > already

> >>>>>> feel

> >>>>>>> a

> >>>>>>>> bit

> >>>>>>>>> better. I asked if this is what I have to look forward

> > to

> >>>>> in

> >>>>>>>> menopause. He

> >>>>>>>>> said no because I will be on natural HRT. It seems fibro

> >>>>> pain

> >>>>>>>> isn't always

> >>>>>>>>> fibro!

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> Kenda

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>> Something to keep in mind is that Fibromyalgia is a

> >>>>>>>>>>> Syndrome, not a disease . . . A Syndrome is a

> >>>>>>>>>>> collection of symptoms that have enough in common to

> >>>>>>>>>>> be given a name.

> >>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>> I'm convinced that there are a number of causes for

> >>>>>>>>>>> Fibromyalgia . . . however, IMHO, they have one thing

> >>>>>>>>>>> in cause . . . A trauma - accident, stress, illness -

> >>>>>>>>>>> that caused a disturbance in ones sleep cycle.

> >>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>> They've found that FM can be induced in anyone by

> >>>>>>>>>>> depriving them of enough sleep. However, when caught

> >>>>>>>>>>> up on sleep, FM symptoms disappear for most people.

> >>>>>>>>>>> However, if one is prone to FM, they keep the

> >>>>>>>>>>> symptoms! I bet those study participants who kept FM

> >>>>>>>>>>> will never forget that study!

> >>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>> Over the years, all my FM symptoms have disappeared,

> >>>>>>>>>>> except that, without a small amount of prescription

> >>>>>>>>>>> medication, I don't get sufficient deep sleep. I've

> >>>>>>>>>>> gone off the medication to see what happens . . .

> >>>>>>>>>>> Nothing happened, except, I woke every time my hubby

> >>>>>>>>>>> stirs.

> >>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>> Personally, I think it's important to put all the

> >>>>>>>>>>> diagnoses aside. Take only medications that you KNOW

> >>>>>>>>>>> is helping, do everything possible to give your body

> >>>>>>>>>>> what it needs, while eliminating the stuff that harms

> >>>>>>>>>>> it. The human body has incredible healing powers! It

> >>>>>>>>>>> takes time, discipline and patience to let it do it's

> >>>>>>>>>>> work!

> >>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>> However, when faced with a life of pain and

> >>>>>>>>>>> disability, we really have no choice but to take care

> >>>>>>>>>>> of our health the best we possibly can!

> >>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>> To do otherwise is self-destructive.

> >>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>> Hugs and prayers,

> >>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>> Rogene

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of

> >>>>> advice

> >>>>>>>> given by licensed

> >>>>>>>>>> health care professionals. Consult your physician or

> >>>>>> licensed

> >>>>>>>> health care

> >>>>>>>>>> professional before commencing any medical treatment.

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the

> >>>>>> politicians

> >>>>>>>> mislead you.

> >>>>>>>>>> Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions

> >>>>>> about

> >>>>>>>> how to live a

> >>>>>>>>>> happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus

> >>>>>>> ing,

> >>>>>>>> two-time

> >>>>>>>>>> Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> >>>>>>>>>>

October 8, 2005

Hi Kathy!

Gee, I have no idea what would cause high B-12 and folic acid. I have

always tested low on both and supplement so I have never spoken to Dr. Leu

about being low. If you decide to supplement, I'd definitely test first

because my chiropractor said being high on B-12 can cause blood problems.

Kenda

> I have tested twice over the past four years with an excessive b12

> level. I definitely was not supplementing either. What would

> Dr.Leu say about that? I once found a very remote connection between

> high b12 and low iron but could never find it again on the

> internet. I am puzzled why I would have a high level--well outside

> the norm. Also my folic acid was above normal at one time. Because

> of this I have been afraid to use any sublingual b12. Any info

> would be appreciated.

> Hugs,kathy

>

>>>>>>>>>>> I have a strange one to add to this, for anyone suffering

>>>>>>> with

>>>>>>>>>> fibro pain.

>>>>>>>>>>> As you know, I have been fibro-pain free for several

>>> years.

>>>>>>>>> Just

>>>>>>>>>> last week

>>>>>>>>>>> I developed the same debilitating pain I had been free of

>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>>> so

>>>>>>>>>> long.

>>>>>>>>>>> Freaked, I saw Dr. Leu today. My estrogen has been high

>>> in

>>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>>>> past so I

>>>>>>>>>>> was put on an aromatase inhibitor a couple of weeks ago

>>> to

>>>>>>>> bring

>>>>>>>>>> it down.

>>>>>>>>>>> Evidently, it brought my estrogen down too low, which

>>>>>>>> triggered

>>>>>>>>>> menopausal

>>>>>>>>>>> symptoms -- hot flashes and night sweats, which I had

>>> not

>>>>>>>>> previous

>>>>>>>>>>> developed. The fibro symptoms I had this past week

>>> were as

>>>>>>> a

>>>>>>>>>> result of too

>>>>>>>>>>> little estrogen in my body! My IC flared horribly as

>>> well.

>>>>>>>> So,

>>>>>>>>>> for anyone

>>>>>>>>>>> suffering fibro symptoms with known hormone problems, you

>>>>>>>> might

>>>>>>>>>> want to go

>>>>>>>>>>> see an ND and get a hormone test to see if it could be

>>> low

>>>>>>>>>> estrogen causing

>>>>>>>>>>> your fibro pain. The pain I felt during the past week

>>> was

>>>>>>>> just

>>>>>>>>> as

>>>>>>>>>> bad and

>>>>>>>>>>> debilitating as years ago.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> I skipped the aromatase inhibitor this morning and

>>> already

>>>>>>>> feel

>>>>>>>>> a

>>>>>>>>>> bit

>>>>>>>>>>> better. I asked if this is what I have to look forward

>>> to

>>>>>>> in

>>>>>>>>>> menopause. He

>>>>>>>>>>> said no because I will be on natural HRT. It seems fibro

>>>>>>> pain

>>>>>>>>>> isn't always

>>>>>>>>>>> fibro!

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Kenda

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Something to keep in mind is that Fibromyalgia is a

>>>>>>>>>>>> Syndrome, not a disease . . . A Syndrome is a

>>>>>>>>>>>> collection of symptoms that have enough in common to

>>>>>>>>>>>> be given a name.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm convinced that there are a number of causes for

>>>>>>>>>>>> Fibromyalgia . . . however, IMHO, they have one thing

>>>>>>>>>>>> in cause . . . A trauma - accident, stress, illness -

>>>>>>>>>>>> that caused a disturbance in ones sleep cycle.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> They've found that FM can be induced in anyone by

>>>>>>>>>>>> depriving them of enough sleep. However, when caught

>>>>>>>>>>>> up on sleep, FM symptoms disappear for most people.

>>>>>>>>>>>> However, if one is prone to FM, they keep the

>>>>>>>>>>>> symptoms! I bet those study participants who kept FM

>>>>>>>>>>>> will never forget that study!

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Over the years, all my FM symptoms have disappeared,

>>>>>>>>>>>> except that, without a small amount of prescription

>>>>>>>>>>>> medication, I don't get sufficient deep sleep. I've

>>>>>>>>>>>> gone off the medication to see what happens . . .

>>>>>>>>>>>> Nothing happened, except, I woke every time my hubby

>>>>>>>>>>>> stirs.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Personally, I think it's important to put all the

>>>>>>>>>>>> diagnoses aside. Take only medications that you KNOW

>>>>>>>>>>>> is helping, do everything possible to give your body

>>>>>>>>>>>> what it needs, while eliminating the stuff that harms

>>>>>>>>>>>> it. The human body has incredible healing powers! It

>>>>>>>>>>>> takes time, discipline and patience to let it do it's

>>>>>>>>>>>> work!

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> However, when faced with a life of pain and

>>>>>>>>>>>> disability, we really have no choice but to take care

>>>>>>>>>>>> of our health the best we possibly can!

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> To do otherwise is self-destructive.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Hugs and prayers,

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Rogene

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of

>>>>>>> advice

>>>>>>>>>> given by licensed

>>>>>>>>>>>> health care professionals. Consult your physician or

>>>>>>>> licensed

>>>>>>>>>> health care

>>>>>>>>>>>> professional before commencing any medical treatment.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the

>>>>>>>> politicians

>>>>>>>>>> mislead you.

>>>>>>>>>>>> Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions

>>>>>>>> about

>>>>>>>>>> how to live a

>>>>>>>>>>>> happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus

>>>>>>>>> ing,

>>>>>>>>>> two-time

>>>>>>>>>>>> Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

>>>>>>>>>>>>

October 8, 2005

I actually tested high on Vit B12 once it was when I was giving myself

injections though. They said that was probably why. It can be from

eating allot of red meat too. I never was told that would be a problem

though.

In , Kenda Skaggs <skaggs@c...> wrote:

>

> Hi Kathy!

>

> Gee, I have no idea what would cause high B-12 and folic acid. I have

> always tested low on both and supplement so I have never spoken to

Dr. Leu

> about being low. If you decide to supplement, I'd definitely test first

> because my chiropractor said being high on B-12 can cause blood

problems.

>

> Kenda

>

> > I have tested twice over the past four years with an excessive b12

> > level. I definitely was not supplementing either. What would

> > Dr.Leu say about that? I once found a very remote connection between

> > high b12 and low iron but could never find it again on the

> > internet. I am puzzled why I would have a high level--well outside

> > the norm. Also my folic acid was above normal at one time. Because

> > of this I have been afraid to use any sublingual b12. Any info

> > would be appreciated.

> > Hugs,kathy

> >

> >>>>>>>>>>> I have a strange one to add to this, for anyone suffering

> >>>>>>> with

> >>>>>>>>>> fibro pain.

> >>>>>>>>>>> As you know, I have been fibro-pain free for several

> >>> years.

> >>>>>>>>> Just

> >>>>>>>>>> last week

> >>>>>>>>>>> I developed the same debilitating pain I had been free of

> >>>>>>> for

> >>>>>>>> so

> >>>>>>>>>> long.

> >>>>>>>>>>> Freaked, I saw Dr. Leu today. My estrogen has been high

> >>> in

> >>>>>>>> the

> >>>>>>>>>> past so I

> >>>>>>>>>>> was put on an aromatase inhibitor a couple of weeks ago

> >>> to

> >>>>>>>> bring

> >>>>>>>>>> it down.

> >>>>>>>>>>> Evidently, it brought my estrogen down too low, which

> >>>>>>>> triggered

> >>>>>>>>>> menopausal

> >>>>>>>>>>> symptoms -- hot flashes and night sweats, which I had

> >>> not

> >>>>>>>>> previous

> >>>>>>>>>>> developed. The fibro symptoms I had this past week

> >>> were as

> >>>>>>> a

> >>>>>>>>>> result of too

> >>>>>>>>>>> little estrogen in my body! My IC flared horribly as

> >>> well.

> >>>>>>>> So,

> >>>>>>>>>> for anyone

> >>>>>>>>>>> suffering fibro symptoms with known hormone problems, you

> >>>>>>>> might

> >>>>>>>>>> want to go

> >>>>>>>>>>> see an ND and get a hormone test to see if it could be

> >>> low

> >>>>>>>>>> estrogen causing

> >>>>>>>>>>> your fibro pain. The pain I felt during the past week

> >>> was

> >>>>>>>> just

> >>>>>>>>> as

> >>>>>>>>>> bad and

> >>>>>>>>>>> debilitating as years ago.

> >>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>> I skipped the aromatase inhibitor this morning and

> >>> already

> >>>>>>>> feel

> >>>>>>>>> a

> >>>>>>>>>> bit

> >>>>>>>>>>> better. I asked if this is what I have to look forward

> >>> to

> >>>>>>> in

> >>>>>>>>>> menopause. He

> >>>>>>>>>>> said no because I will be on natural HRT. It seems fibro

> >>>>>>> pain

> >>>>>>>>>> isn't always

> >>>>>>>>>>> fibro!

> >>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>> Kenda

> >>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> Something to keep in mind is that Fibromyalgia is a

> >>>>>>>>>>>> Syndrome, not a disease . . . A Syndrome is a

> >>>>>>>>>>>> collection of symptoms that have enough in common to

> >>>>>>>>>>>> be given a name.

> >>>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm convinced that there are a number of causes for

> >>>>>>>>>>>> Fibromyalgia . . . however, IMHO, they have one thing

> >>>>>>>>>>>> in cause . . . A trauma - accident, stress, illness -

> >>>>>>>>>>>> that caused a disturbance in ones sleep cycle.

> >>>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> They've found that FM can be induced in anyone by

> >>>>>>>>>>>> depriving them of enough sleep. However, when caught

> >>>>>>>>>>>> up on sleep, FM symptoms disappear for most people.

> >>>>>>>>>>>> However, if one is prone to FM, they keep the

> >>>>>>>>>>>> symptoms! I bet those study participants who kept FM

> >>>>>>>>>>>> will never forget that study!

> >>>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> Over the years, all my FM symptoms have disappeared,

> >>>>>>>>>>>> except that, without a small amount of prescription

> >>>>>>>>>>>> medication, I don't get sufficient deep sleep. I've

> >>>>>>>>>>>> gone off the medication to see what happens . . .

> >>>>>>>>>>>> Nothing happened, except, I woke every time my hubby

> >>>>>>>>>>>> stirs.

> >>>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> Personally, I think it's important to put all the

> >>>>>>>>>>>> diagnoses aside. Take only medications that you KNOW

> >>>>>>>>>>>> is helping, do everything possible to give your body

> >>>>>>>>>>>> what it needs, while eliminating the stuff that harms

> >>>>>>>>>>>> it. The human body has incredible healing powers! It

> >>>>>>>>>>>> takes time, discipline and patience to let it do it's

> >>>>>>>>>>>> work!

> >>>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> However, when faced with a life of pain and

> >>>>>>>>>>>> disability, we really have no choice but to take care

> >>>>>>>>>>>> of our health the best we possibly can!

> >>>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> To do otherwise is self-destructive.

> >>>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hugs and prayers,

> >>>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> Rogene

> >>>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of

> >>>>>>> advice

> >>>>>>>>>> given by licensed

> >>>>>>>>>>>> health care professionals. Consult your physician or

> >>>>>>>> licensed

> >>>>>>>>>> health care

> >>>>>>>>>>>> professional before commencing any medical treatment.

> >>>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the

> >>>>>>>> politicians

> >>>>>>>>>> mislead you.

> >>>>>>>>>>>> Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions

> >>>>>>>> about

> >>>>>>>>>> how to live a

> >>>>>>>>>>>> happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus

> >>>>>>>>> ing,

> >>>>>>>>>> two-time

> >>>>>>>>>>>> Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> >>>>>>>>>>>>

October 8, 2005

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Did your chiropractor say what kind of blood problems? I just can't

find any info on it on the internet. The second timeI was tested it

was lower than the first time, but still significantly outside the

norm.

Hugs, kathy

-- In , Kenda Skaggs <skaggs@c...>

wrote:

>

> Hi Kathy!

>

> Gee, I have no idea what would cause high B-12 and folic acid. I

have

> always tested low on both and supplement so I have never spoken

to Dr. Leu

> about being low. If you decide to supplement, I'd definitely test

first

> because my chiropractor said being high on B-12 can cause blood

problems.

>

> Kenda

>

> > I have tested twice over the past four years with an excessive

b12

> > level. I definitely was not supplementing either. What would

> > Dr.Leu say about that? I once found a very remote connection

between

> > high b12 and low iron but could never find it again on the

> > internet. I am puzzled why I would have a high level--well

outside

> > the norm. Also my folic acid was above normal at one time.

Because

> > of this I have been afraid to use any sublingual b12. Any info

> > would be appreciated.

> > Hugs,kathy

> >

> >>>>>>>>>>> I have a strange one to add to this, for anyone

suffering

> >>>>>>> with

> >>>>>>>>>> fibro pain.

> >>>>>>>>>>> As you know, I have been fibro-pain free for several

> >>> years.

> >>>>>>>>> Just

> >>>>>>>>>> last week

> >>>>>>>>>>> I developed the same debilitating pain I had been free

of

> >>>>>>> for

> >>>>>>>> so

> >>>>>>>>>> long.

> >>>>>>>>>>> Freaked, I saw Dr. Leu today. My estrogen has been

high

> >>> in

> >>>>>>>> the

> >>>>>>>>>> past so I

> >>>>>>>>>>> was put on an aromatase inhibitor a couple of weeks ago

> >>> to

> >>>>>>>> bring

> >>>>>>>>>> it down.

> >>>>>>>>>>> Evidently, it brought my estrogen down too low, which

> >>>>>>>> triggered

> >>>>>>>>>> menopausal

> >>>>>>>>>>> symptoms -- hot flashes and night sweats, which I had

> >>> not

> >>>>>>>>> previous

> >>>>>>>>>>> developed. The fibro symptoms I had this past week

> >>> were as

> >>>>>>> a

> >>>>>>>>>> result of too

> >>>>>>>>>>> little estrogen in my body! My IC flared horribly as

> >>> well.

> >>>>>>>> So,

> >>>>>>>>>> for anyone

> >>>>>>>>>>> suffering fibro symptoms with known hormone problems,

you

> >>>>>>>> might

> >>>>>>>>>> want to go

> >>>>>>>>>>> see an ND and get a hormone test to see if it could be

> >>> low

> >>>>>>>>>> estrogen causing

> >>>>>>>>>>> your fibro pain. The pain I felt during the past week

> >>> was

> >>>>>>>> just

> >>>>>>>>> as

> >>>>>>>>>> bad and

> >>>>>>>>>>> debilitating as years ago.

> >>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>> I skipped the aromatase inhibitor this morning and

> >>> already

> >>>>>>>> feel

> >>>>>>>>> a

> >>>>>>>>>> bit

> >>>>>>>>>>> better. I asked if this is what I have to look forward

> >>> to

> >>>>>>> in

> >>>>>>>>>> menopause. He

> >>>>>>>>>>> said no because I will be on natural HRT. It seems

fibro

> >>>>>>> pain

> >>>>>>>>>> isn't always

> >>>>>>>>>>> fibro!

> >>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>> Kenda

> >>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> Something to keep in mind is that Fibromyalgia is a

> >>>>>>>>>>>> Syndrome, not a disease . . . A Syndrome is a

> >>>>>>>>>>>> collection of symptoms that have enough in common to

> >>>>>>>>>>>> be given a name.

> >>>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm convinced that there are a number of causes for

> >>>>>>>>>>>> Fibromyalgia . . . however, IMHO, they have one thing

> >>>>>>>>>>>> in cause . . . A trauma - accident, stress, illness -

> >>>>>>>>>>>> that caused a disturbance in ones sleep cycle.

> >>>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> They've found that FM can be induced in anyone by

> >>>>>>>>>>>> depriving them of enough sleep. However, when caught

> >>>>>>>>>>>> up on sleep, FM symptoms disappear for most people.

> >>>>>>>>>>>> However, if one is prone to FM, they keep the

> >>>>>>>>>>>> symptoms! I bet those study participants who kept FM

> >>>>>>>>>>>> will never forget that study!

> >>>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> Over the years, all my FM symptoms have disappeared,

> >>>>>>>>>>>> except that, without a small amount of prescription

> >>>>>>>>>>>> medication, I don't get sufficient deep sleep. I've

> >>>>>>>>>>>> gone off the medication to see what happens . . .

> >>>>>>>>>>>> Nothing happened, except, I woke every time my hubby

> >>>>>>>>>>>> stirs.

> >>>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> Personally, I think it's important to put all the

> >>>>>>>>>>>> diagnoses aside. Take only medications that you KNOW

> >>>>>>>>>>>> is helping, do everything possible to give your body

> >>>>>>>>>>>> what it needs, while eliminating the stuff that harms

> >>>>>>>>>>>> it. The human body has incredible healing powers! It

> >>>>>>>>>>>> takes time, discipline and patience to let it do it's

> >>>>>>>>>>>> work!

> >>>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> However, when faced with a life of pain and

> >>>>>>>>>>>> disability, we really have no choice but to take care

> >>>>>>>>>>>> of our health the best we possibly can!

> >>>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> To do otherwise is self-destructive.

> >>>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hugs and prayers,

> >>>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> Rogene

> >>>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of

> >>>>>>> advice

> >>>>>>>>>> given by licensed

> >>>>>>>>>>>> health care professionals. Consult your physician or

> >>>>>>>> licensed

> >>>>>>>>>> health care

> >>>>>>>>>>>> professional before commencing any medical treatment.

> >>>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the

> >>>>>>>> politicians

> >>>>>>>>>> mislead you.

> >>>>>>>>>>>> Find out what the facts are, and make your own

decisions

> >>>>>>>> about

> >>>>>>>>>> how to live a

> >>>>>>>>>>>> happy life and how to work for a better world. " -

Linus

> >>>>>>>>> ing,

> >>>>>>>>>> two-time

> >>>>>>>>>>>> Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> >>>>>>>>>>>>

October 8, 2005

He did but I don't recall exactly what he said, it was quite a while ago.

I'll have to ask him when I see him again, probably in a week or two. It

seemed like it changed the white cell size making it unable to fight as

well, or something like that. I'll let you know when I go in again.

Kenda

> Did your chiropractor say what kind of blood problems? I just can't

> find any info on it on the internet. The second timeI was tested it

> was lower than the first time, but still significantly outside the

> norm.

> Hugs, kathy

>

> -- In , Kenda Skaggs <skaggs@c...>

> wrote:

>>

>> Hi Kathy!

>>

>> Gee, I have no idea what would cause high B-12 and folic acid. I

> have

>> always tested low on both and supplement so I have never spoken

> to Dr. Leu

>> about being low. If you decide to supplement, I'd definitely test

> first

>> because my chiropractor said being high on B-12 can cause blood

> problems.

>>

>> Kenda

>>

>>> I have tested twice over the past four years with an excessive

> b12

>>> level. I definitely was not supplementing either. What would

>>> Dr.Leu say about that? I once found a very remote connection

> between

>>> high b12 and low iron but could never find it again on the

>>> internet. I am puzzled why I would have a high level--well

> outside

>>> the norm. Also my folic acid was above normal at one time.

> Because

>>> of this I have been afraid to use any sublingual b12. Any info

>>> would be appreciated.

>>> Hugs,kathy

>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a strange one to add to this, for anyone

> suffering

>>>>>>>>> with

>>>>>>>>>>>> fibro pain.

>>>>>>>>>>>> As you know, I have been fibro-pain free for several

>>>>> years.

>>>>>>>>>>> Just

>>>>>>>>>>>> last week

>>>>>>>>>>>> I developed the same debilitating pain I had been free

> of

>>>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>>>>> so

>>>>>>>>>>>> long.

>>>>>>>>>>>> Freaked, I saw Dr. Leu today. My estrogen has been

> high

>>>>> in

>>>>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>>>>>> past so I

>>>>>>>>>>>> was put on an aromatase inhibitor a couple of weeks ago

>>>>> to

>>>>>>>>>> bring

>>>>>>>>>>>> it down.

>>>>>>>>>>>> Evidently, it brought my estrogen down too low, which

>>>>>>>>>> triggered

>>>>>>>>>>>> menopausal

>>>>>>>>>>>> symptoms -- hot flashes and night sweats, which I had

>>>>> not

>>>>>>>>>>> previous

>>>>>>>>>>>> developed. The fibro symptoms I had this past week

>>>>> were as

>>>>>>>>> a

>>>>>>>>>>>> result of too

>>>>>>>>>>>> little estrogen in my body! My IC flared horribly as

>>>>> well.

>>>>>>>>>> So,

>>>>>>>>>>>> for anyone

>>>>>>>>>>>> suffering fibro symptoms with known hormone problems,

> you

>>>>>>>>>> might

>>>>>>>>>>>> want to go

>>>>>>>>>>>> see an ND and get a hormone test to see if it could be

>>>>> low

>>>>>>>>>>>> estrogen causing

>>>>>>>>>>>> your fibro pain. The pain I felt during the past week

>>>>> was

>>>>>>>>>> just

>>>>>>>>>>> as

>>>>>>>>>>>> bad and

>>>>>>>>>>>> debilitating as years ago.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> I skipped the aromatase inhibitor this morning and

>>>>> already

>>>>>>>>>> feel

>>>>>>>>>>> a

>>>>>>>>>>>> bit

>>>>>>>>>>>> better. I asked if this is what I have to look forward

>>>>> to

>>>>>>>>> in

>>>>>>>>>>>> menopause. He

>>>>>>>>>>>> said no because I will be on natural HRT. It seems

> fibro

>>>>>>>>> pain

>>>>>>>>>>>> isn't always

>>>>>>>>>>>> fibro!

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Kenda

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Something to keep in mind is that Fibromyalgia is a

>>>>>>>>>>>> Syndrome, not a disease . . . A Syndrome is a

>>>>>>>>>>>> collection of symptoms that have enough in common to

>>>>>>>>>>>> be given a name.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm convinced that there are a number of causes for

>>>>>>>>>>>> Fibromyalgia . . . however, IMHO, they have one thing

>>>>>>>>>>>> in cause . . . A trauma - accident, stress, illness -

>>>>>>>>>>>> that caused a disturbance in ones sleep cycle.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> They've found that FM can be induced in anyone by

>>>>>>>>>>>> depriving them of enough sleep. However, when caught

>>>>>>>>>>>> up on sleep, FM symptoms disappear for most people.

>>>>>>>>>>>> However, if one is prone to FM, they keep the

>>>>>>>>>>>> symptoms! I bet those study participants who kept FM

>>>>>>>>>>>> will never forget that study!

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Over the years, all my FM symptoms have disappeared,

>>>>>>>>>>>> except that, without a small amount of prescription

>>>>>>>>>>>> medication, I don't get sufficient deep sleep. I've

>>>>>>>>>>>> gone off the medication to see what happens . . .

>>>>>>>>>>>> Nothing happened, except, I woke every time my hubby

>>>>>>>>>>>> stirs.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Personally, I think it's important to put all the

>>>>>>>>>>>> diagnoses aside. Take only medications that you KNOW

>>>>>>>>>>>> is helping, do everything possible to give your body

>>>>>>>>>>>> what it needs, while eliminating the stuff that harms

>>>>>>>>>>>> it. The human body has incredible healing powers! It

>>>>>>>>>>>> takes time, discipline and patience to let it do it's

>>>>>>>>>>>> work!

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> However, when faced with a life of pain and

>>>>>>>>>>>> disability, we really have no choice but to take care

>>>>>>>>>>>> of our health the best we possibly can!

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> To do otherwise is self-destructive.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Hugs and prayers,

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Rogene

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of

>>>>>>>>> advice

>>>>>>>>>>>> given by licensed

>>>>>>>>>>>> health care professionals. Consult your physician or

>>>>>>>>>> licensed

>>>>>>>>>>>> health care

>>>>>>>>>>>> professional before commencing any medical treatment.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the

>>>>>>>>>> politicians

>>>>>>>>>>>> mislead you.

>>>>>>>>>>>> Find out what the facts are, and make your own

> decisions

>>>>>>>>>> about

>>>>>>>>>>>> how to live a

>>>>>>>>>>>> happy life and how to work for a better world. " -

> Linus

>>>>>>>>>>> ing,

>>>>>>>>>>>> two-time

>>>>>>>>>>>> Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

>>>>>>>>>>>>

October 8, 2005

Exactly Kendra it does depend on the state!

In , Kenda Skaggs <skaggs@c...> wrote:

>

> Maybe laws differ state to state. In Oklahoma, no prescription is

needed.

>

> Kenda

>

> > You need a prescription often to obtain needles from most

pharmacies. When

> > I had to do allergy shots on my kids, I had to have a prescription for

> > needles.

> >

> > Lynda

> >

> > At 08:32 PM 10/6/2005, you wrote:

> >> I buy the bottles of B-12 and B-complex from either my

chiropractor or my

> >> ND. You can buy needles at any pharmacy.

> >>

> >> Kenda

> >>

> >>> How can you get Vit B-12 injections?

> >>>

> >>> -- In , " glory2glory1401 "

> >> <glory2glory1401@y...>

> >>> wrote:

> >>>> Thank you Kenda!

> >>>> I will definitely give myself some B-12 injections then! In

fact, I

> >>>> was just thinking about doing that yesterday. I have a supply left

> >>>> over from when I used to take them, but haven't felt the need to in

> >>>> quite awhile. I suddenly thought of it a couple of days ago,

> >>>> wondering if it would help.

> >>>>

> >>>> Thanks for the validation on my theory about the altitude. I am

> >>>> glad to know that someone else has experienced this...it is always

> >>>> so helpful to hear from others who have gone through it before.

> >>>>

> >>>> I'll try the aspirin as well, although I am not too big on

taking it

> >>>> since I just got off all that stupid ibuprofen with my root canal.

> >>>> I was worried about stomach issues from all those pills. My mother

> >>>> has taken ibuprofen for years for arthritis, before she got her

knee

> >>>> replacements, (which was a big mistake in my opinion), and she now

> >>>> has stomach issues. I think she had an ulcer, and now she can

> >>>> hardly digest raw veggies very well at all. Of course, the knee

> >>>> implants have messed her up healthwise more than before, which is

> >>>> sad.

> >>>>

> >>>> Thanks for the help!

> >>>> Patty

> >>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> I have a strange one to add to this, for anyone suffering

> >>>>>> with

> >>>>>>>>> fibro pain.

> >>>>>>>>>> As you know, I have been fibro-pain free for several years.

> >>>>>>>> Just

> >>>>>>>>> last week

> >>>>>>>>>> I developed the same debilitating pain I had been free of

> >>>>>> for

> >>>>>>> so

> >>>>>>>>> long.

> >>>>>>>>>> Freaked, I saw Dr. Leu today. My estrogen has been high in

> >>>>>>> the

> >>>>>>>>> past so I

> >>>>>>>>>> was put on an aromatase inhibitor a couple of weeks ago to

> >>>>>>> bring

> >>>>>>>>> it down.

> >>>>>>>>>> Evidently, it brought my estrogen down too low, which

> >>>>>>> triggered

> >>>>>>>>> menopausal

> >>>>>>>>>> symptoms -- hot flashes and night sweats, which I had not

> >>>>>>>> previous

> >>>>>>>>>> developed. The fibro symptoms I had this past week were as

> >>>>>> a

> >>>>>>>>> result of too

> >>>>>>>>>> little estrogen in my body! My IC flared horribly as well.

> >>>>>>> So,

> >>>>>>>>> for anyone

> >>>>>>>>>> suffering fibro symptoms with known hormone problems, you

> >>>>>>> might

> >>>>>>>>> want to go

> >>>>>>>>>> see an ND and get a hormone test to see if it could be low

> >>>>>>>>> estrogen causing

> >>>>>>>>>> your fibro pain. The pain I felt during the past week was

> >>>>>>> just

> >>>>>>>> as

> >>>>>>>>> bad and

> >>>>>>>>>> debilitating as years ago.

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> I skipped the aromatase inhibitor this morning and already

> >>>>>>> feel

> >>>>>>>> a

> >>>>>>>>> bit

> >>>>>>>>>> better. I asked if this is what I have to look forward to

> >>>>>> in

> >>>>>>>>> menopause. He

> >>>>>>>>>> said no because I will be on natural HRT. It seems fibro

> >>>>>> pain

> >>>>>>>>> isn't always

> >>>>>>>>>> fibro!

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> Kenda

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> Something to keep in mind is that Fibromyalgia is a

> >>>>>>>>>>>> Syndrome, not a disease . . . A Syndrome is a

> >>>>>>>>>>>> collection of symptoms that have enough in common to

> >>>>>>>>>>>> be given a name.

> >>>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm convinced that there are a number of causes for

> >>>>>>>>>>>> Fibromyalgia . . . however, IMHO, they have one thing

> >>>>>>>>>>>> in cause . . . A trauma - accident, stress, illness -

> >>>>>>>>>>>> that caused a disturbance in ones sleep cycle.

> >>>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> They've found that FM can be induced in anyone by

> >>>>>>>>>>>> depriving them of enough sleep. However, when caught

> >>>>>>>>>>>> up on sleep, FM symptoms disappear for most people.

> >>>>>>>>>>>> However, if one is prone to FM, they keep the

> >>>>>>>>>>>> symptoms! I bet those study participants who kept FM

> >>>>>>>>>>>> will never forget that study!

> >>>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> Over the years, all my FM symptoms have disappeared,

> >>>>>>>>>>>> except that, without a small amount of prescription

> >>>>>>>>>>>> medication, I don't get sufficient deep sleep. I've

> >>>>>>>>>>>> gone off the medication to see what happens . . .

> >>>>>>>>>>>> Nothing happened, except, I woke every time my hubby

> >>>>>>>>>>>> stirs.

> >>>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> Personally, I think it's important to put all the

> >>>>>>>>>>>> diagnoses aside. Take only medications that you KNOW

> >>>>>>>>>>>> is helping, do everything possible to give your body

> >>>>>>>>>>>> what it needs, while eliminating the stuff that harms

> >>>>>>>>>>>> it. The human body has incredible healing powers! It

> >>>>>>>>>>>> takes time, discipline and patience to let it do it's

> >>>>>>>>>>>> work!

> >>>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> However, when faced with a life of pain and

> >>>>>>>>>>>> disability, we really have no choice but to take care

> >>>>>>>>>>>> of our health the best we possibly can!

> >>>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> To do otherwise is self-destructive.

> >>>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hugs and prayers,

> >>>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> Rogene

> >>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of

> >>>>>> advice

> >>>>>>>>> given by licensed

> >>>>>>>>>>> health care professionals. Consult your physician or

> >>>>>>> licensed

> >>>>>>>>> health care

> >>>>>>>>>>> professional before commencing any medical treatment.

> >>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the

> >>>>>>> politicians

> >>>>>>>>> mislead you.

> >>>>>>>>>>> Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions

> >>>>>>> about

> >>>>>>>>> how to live a

> >>>>>>>>>>> happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus

> >>>>>>>> ing,

> >>>>>>>>> two-time

> >>>>>>>>>>> Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> >>>>>>>>>>>

October 8, 2005

Depends on the state you live in. In Idaho you can buy syringes and

needles anytime you want and amount without a prescription but in CA

you have to have one. Depends on where you are. I have got my B 12

injectable in Canada and Mexico. They both sell them without scripts.

In , Lynda <coss@p...> wrote:

>

> You need a prescription often to obtain needles from most

pharmacies. When

> I had to do allergy shots on my kids, I had to have a prescription

for needles.

>

> Lynda

>

> At 08:32 PM 10/6/2005, you wrote:

> >I buy the bottles of B-12 and B-complex from either my chiropractor

or my

> >ND. You can buy needles at any pharmacy.

> >

> >Kenda

> >

> > > How can you get Vit B-12 injections?

> > >

> > > -- In , " glory2glory1401 "

> > <glory2glory1401@y...>

> > > wrote:

> > >> Thank you Kenda!

> > >> I will definitely give myself some B-12 injections then! In

fact, I

> > >> was just thinking about doing that yesterday. I have a supply left

> > >> over from when I used to take them, but haven't felt the need to in

> > >> quite awhile. I suddenly thought of it a couple of days ago,

> > >> wondering if it would help.

> > >>

> > >> Thanks for the validation on my theory about the altitude. I am

> > >> glad to know that someone else has experienced this...it is always

> > >> so helpful to hear from others who have gone through it before.

> > >>

> > >> I'll try the aspirin as well, although I am not too big on

taking it

> > >> since I just got off all that stupid ibuprofen with my root canal.

> > >> I was worried about stomach issues from all those pills. My mother

> > >> has taken ibuprofen for years for arthritis, before she got her

knee

> > >> replacements, (which was a big mistake in my opinion), and she now

> > >> has stomach issues. I think she had an ulcer, and now she can

> > >> hardly digest raw veggies very well at all. Of course, the knee

> > >> implants have messed her up healthwise more than before, which is

> > >> sad.

> > >>

> > >> Thanks for the help!

> > >> Patty

> > >>

> > >>>>>>>> I have a strange one to add to this, for anyone suffering

> > >>>> with

> > >>>>>>> fibro pain.

> > >>>>>>>> As you know, I have been fibro-pain free for several years.

> > >>>>>> Just

> > >>>>>>> last week

> > >>>>>>>> I developed the same debilitating pain I had been free of

> > >>>> for

> > >>>>> so

> > >>>>>>> long.

> > >>>>>>>> Freaked, I saw Dr. Leu today. My estrogen has been high in

> > >>>>> the

> > >>>>>>> past so I

> > >>>>>>>> was put on an aromatase inhibitor a couple of weeks ago to

> > >>>>> bring

> > >>>>>>> it down.

> > >>>>>>>> Evidently, it brought my estrogen down too low, which

> > >>>>> triggered

> > >>>>>>> menopausal

> > >>>>>>>> symptoms -- hot flashes and night sweats, which I had not

> > >>>>>> previous

> > >>>>>>>> developed. The fibro symptoms I had this past week were as

> > >>>> a

> > >>>>>>> result of too

> > >>>>>>>> little estrogen in my body! My IC flared horribly as well.

> > >>>>> So,

> > >>>>>>> for anyone

> > >>>>>>>> suffering fibro symptoms with known hormone problems, you

> > >>>>> might

> > >>>>>>> want to go

> > >>>>>>>> see an ND and get a hormone test to see if it could be low

> > >>>>>>> estrogen causing

> > >>>>>>>> your fibro pain. The pain I felt during the past week was

> > >>>>> just

> > >>>>>> as

> > >>>>>>> bad and

> > >>>>>>>> debilitating as years ago.

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>> I skipped the aromatase inhibitor this morning and already

> > >>>>> feel

> > >>>>>> a

> > >>>>>>> bit

> > >>>>>>>> better. I asked if this is what I have to look forward to

> > >>>> in

> > >>>>>>> menopause. He

> > >>>>>>>> said no because I will be on natural HRT. It seems fibro

> > >>>> pain

> > >>>>>>> isn't always

> > >>>>>>>> fibro!

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>> Kenda

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>> Something to keep in mind is that Fibromyalgia is a

> > >>>>>>>>>> Syndrome, not a disease . . . A Syndrome is a

> > >>>>>>>>>> collection of symptoms that have enough in common to

> > >>>>>>>>>> be given a name.

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>> I'm convinced that there are a number of causes for

> > >>>>>>>>>> Fibromyalgia . . . however, IMHO, they have one thing

> > >>>>>>>>>> in cause . . . A trauma - accident, stress, illness -

> > >>>>>>>>>> that caused a disturbance in ones sleep cycle.

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>> They've found that FM can be induced in anyone by

> > >>>>>>>>>> depriving them of enough sleep. However, when caught

> > >>>>>>>>>> up on sleep, FM symptoms disappear for most people.

> > >>>>>>>>>> However, if one is prone to FM, they keep the

> > >>>>>>>>>> symptoms! I bet those study participants who kept FM

> > >>>>>>>>>> will never forget that study!

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>> Over the years, all my FM symptoms have disappeared,

> > >>>>>>>>>> except that, without a small amount of prescription

> > >>>>>>>>>> medication, I don't get sufficient deep sleep. I've

> > >>>>>>>>>> gone off the medication to see what happens . . .

> > >>>>>>>>>> Nothing happened, except, I woke every time my hubby

> > >>>>>>>>>> stirs.

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>> Personally, I think it's important to put all the

> > >>>>>>>>>> diagnoses aside. Take only medications that you KNOW

> > >>>>>>>>>> is helping, do everything possible to give your body

> > >>>>>>>>>> what it needs, while eliminating the stuff that harms

> > >>>>>>>>>> it. The human body has incredible healing powers! It

> > >>>>>>>>>> takes time, discipline and patience to let it do it's

> > >>>>>>>>>> work!

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>> However, when faced with a life of pain and

> > >>>>>>>>>> disability, we really have no choice but to take care

> > >>>>>>>>>> of our health the best we possibly can!

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>> To do otherwise is self-destructive.

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>> Hugs and prayers,

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>> Rogene

> > >>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of

> > >>>> advice

> > >>>>>>> given by licensed

> > >>>>>>>>> health care professionals. Consult your physician or

> > >>>>> licensed

> > >>>>>>> health care

> > >>>>>>>>> professional before commencing any medical treatment.

> > >>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the

> > >>>>> politicians

> > >>>>>>> mislead you.

> > >>>>>>>>> Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions

> > >>>>> about

> > >>>>>>> how to live a

> > >>>>>>>>> happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus

> > >>>>>> ing,

> > >>>>>>> two-time

> > >>>>>>>>> Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> > >>>>>>>>>

October 9, 2005

Hi Kathy,

Here is my understanding about this subject. Of course, I am not a

doctor, so I would encourage more investigation, but from what I

understand, if there is a high level of a supplement in the blood

stream, and it is definitely known not to be from supplementation, it

may be that the cells are not taking it in and using it. As an

example, look at diabetes....the sugar is in the bloodstream but the

insulin is not there to allow the cells to take it in and use it, so

it sits there in the bloodstream and you will test with high blood

sugar.

In the case of B-12, the liver is involved in the use and storage of

this supplement, so it could be that the liver is involved. Or

perhaps it is an enzyme issue....who knows? But a high blood level of

a supplement does not mean that your body has more than it needs...it

can indicate an inability to make use of it.

Same idea with magnesium....I know one of our members who always

tested high for magnesium, but was in terrible pain all the time.

Magnesium is involved in muscle relaxation, and inflammation, and the

doctor was convinced she had all she needed. But what if the cells are

not able to make use of it?

Patty

>

> kendra

> I have tested twice over the past four years with an excessive b12

> level. I definitely was not supplementing either. What would

> Dr.Leu say about that? I once found a very remote connection between

> high b12 and low iron but could never find it again on the

> internet. I am puzzled why I would have a high level--well outside

> the norm. Also my folic acid was above normal at one time. Because

> of this I have been afraid to use any sublingual b12. Any info

> would be appreciated.

> Hugs,kathy

>

October 9, 2005

Isn't low magnesium typical in fibro?

> >

> > kendra

> > I have tested twice over the past four years with an excessive b12

> > level. I definitely was not supplementing either. What would

> > Dr.Leu say about that? I once found a very remote connection between

> > high b12 and low iron but could never find it again on the

> > internet. I am puzzled why I would have a high level--well outside

> > the norm. Also my folic acid was above normal at one time. Because

> > of this I have been afraid to use any sublingual b12. Any info

> > would be appreciated.

> > Hugs,kathy

> >

>

October 9, 2005

Yes, I believe it is.

> >

> > Hi Kathy,

> > Here is my understanding about this subject. Of course, I am

not a

> > doctor, so I would encourage more investigation, but from what I

> > understand, if there is a high level of a supplement in the

blood

> > stream, and it is definitely known not to be from

supplementation, it

> > may be that the cells are not taking it in and using it. As an

> > example, look at diabetes....the sugar is in the bloodstream but

the

> > insulin is not there to allow the cells to take it in and use

it, so

> > it sits there in the bloodstream and you will test with high

blood

> > sugar.

> >

> > In the case of B-12, the liver is involved in the use and

storage of

> > this supplement, so it could be that the liver is involved. Or

> > perhaps it is an enzyme issue....who knows? But a high blood

level of

> > a supplement does not mean that your body has more than it

needs...it

> > can indicate an inability to make use of it.

> >

> > Same idea with magnesium....I know one of our members who always

> > tested high for magnesium, but was in terrible pain all the

time.

> > Magnesium is involved in muscle relaxation, and inflammation,

and the

> > doctor was convinced she had all she needed. But what if the

cells are

> > not able to make use of it?

> >

> > Patty

> > --- In , " mikat828 " <mikat828@y...>

wrote:

> > >

> > > kendra

> > > I have tested twice over the past four years with an excessive

b12

> > > level. I definitely was not supplementing either. What would

> > > Dr.Leu say about that? I once found a very remote connection

between

> > > high b12 and low iron but could never find it again on the

> > > internet. I am puzzled why I would have a high level--well

outside

> > > the norm. Also my folic acid was above normal at one time.

Because

> > > of this I have been afraid to use any sublingual b12. Any

info

> > > would be appreciated.

> > > Hugs,kathy

> > >

> >

>

October 9, 2005

>

> Yes, I believe it is. Or, the cells are not using it, even though

it is there. Epsom salt (magnesium sulfate) baths should be very

helpful.

Patty

>

> > > >

> > > > kendra

> > > > I have tested twice over the past four years with an

excessive

> b12

> > > > level. I definitely was not supplementing either. What

would

> > > > Dr.Leu say about that? I once found a very remote connection

> between

> > > > high b12 and low iron but could never find it again on the

> > > > internet. I am puzzled why I would have a high level--well

> outside

> > > > the norm. Also my folic acid was above normal at one time.

> Because

> > > > of this I have been afraid to use any sublingual b12. Any

> info

> > > > would be appreciated.

> > > > Hugs,kathy

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

October 9, 2005

Here's some excellent information on Magnesium

http://www.magnesiumresearchlab.com/ . . . I credit

the doctor behind this research lab with saving me. He

believes magnesium is involved in FM.

My feet started burning after taking Neurontin - which

depletes magnesium.

The website is very informative. He also has info to

give to your doctor if you feel the need to. When I

gave it to mine, she referred me to a naturopath

because he is more informed about nutritional issues.

Rogene

October 9, 2005

Thanks

Hugs, kathy

> >>>>>>>>>>>> I have a strange one to add to this, for anyone

> > suffering

> >>>>>>>>> with

> >>>>>>>>>>>> fibro pain.

> >>>>>>>>>>>> As you know, I have been fibro-pain free for several

> >>>>> years.

> >>>>>>>>>>> Just

> >>>>>>>>>>>> last week

> >>>>>>>>>>>> I developed the same debilitating pain I had been free

> > of

> >>>>>>>>> for

> >>>>>>>>>> so

> >>>>>>>>>>>> long.

> >>>>>>>>>>>> Freaked, I saw Dr. Leu today. My estrogen has been

> > high

> >>>>> in

> >>>>>>>>>> the

> >>>>>>>>>>>> past so I

> >>>>>>>>>>>> was put on an aromatase inhibitor a couple of weeks

ago

> >>>>> to

> >>>>>>>>>> bring

> >>>>>>>>>>>> it down.

> >>>>>>>>>>>> Evidently, it brought my estrogen down too low, which

> >>>>>>>>>> triggered

> >>>>>>>>>>>> menopausal

> >>>>>>>>>>>> symptoms -- hot flashes and night sweats, which I had

> >>>>> not

> >>>>>>>>>>> previous

> >>>>>>>>>>>> developed. The fibro symptoms I had this past week

> >>>>> were as

> >>>>>>>>> a

> >>>>>>>>>>>> result of too

> >>>>>>>>>>>> little estrogen in my body! My IC flared horribly as

> >>>>> well.

> >>>>>>>>>> So,

> >>>>>>>>>>>> for anyone

> >>>>>>>>>>>> suffering fibro symptoms with known hormone problems,

> > you

> >>>>>>>>>> might

> >>>>>>>>>>>> want to go

> >>>>>>>>>>>> see an ND and get a hormone test to see if it could be

> >>>>> low

> >>>>>>>>>>>> estrogen causing

> >>>>>>>>>>>> your fibro pain. The pain I felt during the past week

> >>>>> was

> >>>>>>>>>> just

> >>>>>>>>>>> as

> >>>>>>>>>>>> bad and

> >>>>>>>>>>>> debilitating as years ago.

> >>>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> I skipped the aromatase inhibitor this morning and

> >>>>> already

> >>>>>>>>>> feel

> >>>>>>>>>>> a

> >>>>>>>>>>>> bit

> >>>>>>>>>>>> better. I asked if this is what I have to look

forward

> >>>>> to

> >>>>>>>>> in

> >>>>>>>>>>>> menopause. He

> >>>>>>>>>>>> said no because I will be on natural HRT. It seems

> > fibro

> >>>>>>>>> pain

> >>>>>>>>>>>> isn't always

> >>>>>>>>>>>> fibro!

> >>>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> Kenda

> >>>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> Something to keep in mind is that Fibromyalgia is a

> >>>>>>>>>>>> Syndrome, not a disease . . . A Syndrome is a

> >>>>>>>>>>>> collection of symptoms that have enough in common to

> >>>>>>>>>>>> be given a name.

> >>>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm convinced that there are a number of causes for

> >>>>>>>>>>>> Fibromyalgia . . . however, IMHO, they have one thing

> >>>>>>>>>>>> in cause . . . A trauma - accident, stress, illness -

> >>>>>>>>>>>> that caused a disturbance in ones sleep cycle.

> >>>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> They've found that FM can be induced in anyone by

> >>>>>>>>>>>> depriving them of enough sleep. However, when caught

> >>>>>>>>>>>> up on sleep, FM symptoms disappear for most people.

> >>>>>>>>>>>> However, if one is prone to FM, they keep the

> >>>>>>>>>>>> symptoms! I bet those study participants who kept FM

> >>>>>>>>>>>> will never forget that study!

> >>>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> Over the years, all my FM symptoms have disappeared,

> >>>>>>>>>>>> except that, without a small amount of prescription

> >>>>>>>>>>>> medication, I don't get sufficient deep sleep. I've

> >>>>>>>>>>>> gone off the medication to see what happens . . .

> >>>>>>>>>>>> Nothing happened, except, I woke every time my hubby

> >>>>>>>>>>>> stirs.

> >>>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> Personally, I think it's important to put all the

> >>>>>>>>>>>> diagnoses aside. Take only medications that you KNOW

> >>>>>>>>>>>> is helping, do everything possible to give your body

> >>>>>>>>>>>> what it needs, while eliminating the stuff that harms

> >>>>>>>>>>>> it. The human body has incredible healing powers! It

> >>>>>>>>>>>> takes time, discipline and patience to let it do it's

> >>>>>>>>>>>> work!

> >>>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> However, when faced with a life of pain and

> >>>>>>>>>>>> disability, we really have no choice but to take care

> >>>>>>>>>>>> of our health the best we possibly can!

> >>>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> To do otherwise is self-destructive.

> >>>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hugs and prayers,

> >>>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> Rogene

> >>>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of

> >>>>>>>>> advice

> >>>>>>>>>>>> given by licensed

> >>>>>>>>>>>> health care professionals. Consult your physician or

> >>>>>>>>>> licensed

> >>>>>>>>>>>> health care

> >>>>>>>>>>>> professional before commencing any medical treatment.

> >>>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the

> >>>>>>>>>> politicians

> >>>>>>>>>>>> mislead you.

> >>>>>>>>>>>> Find out what the facts are, and make your own

> > decisions

> >>>>>>>>>> about

> >>>>>>>>>>>> how to live a

> >>>>>>>>>>>> happy life and how to work for a better world. " -

> > Linus

> >>>>>>>>>>> ing,

> >>>>>>>>>>>> two-time

> >>>>>>>>>>>> Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> >>>>>>>>>>>>

October 9, 2005

Hi patty

That is kind of what I thought too. But the doctors don't really

care anyway. My doctor just says that he only knows that low is a

problem and since I test high, he doesn't think I need any. It is

frustrating because Iknow this is telling me something, but what?

As long as it isn't associated with something bad, I guess I won't

worry about it. I will just keep on with my program which is

bringing me closer and closer to getting completely well.

Hugs, kathy

>

> Hi Kathy,

> Here is my understanding about this subject. Of course, I am not

a

> doctor, so I would encourage more investigation, but from what I

> understand, if there is a high level of a supplement in the blood

> stream, and it is definitely known not to be from supplementation,

it

> may be that the cells are not taking it in and using it. As an

> example, look at diabetes....the sugar is in the bloodstream but

the

> insulin is not there to allow the cells to take it in and use it,

so

> it sits there in the bloodstream and you will test with high blood

> sugar.

>

> In the case of B-12, the liver is involved in the use and storage

of

> this supplement, so it could be that the liver is involved. Or

> perhaps it is an enzyme issue....who knows? But a high blood

level of

> a supplement does not mean that your body has more than it

needs...it

> can indicate an inability to make use of it.

>

> Same idea with magnesium....I know one of our members who always

> tested high for magnesium, but was in terrible pain all the time.

> Magnesium is involved in muscle relaxation, and inflammation, and

the

> doctor was convinced she had all she needed. But what if the cells

are

> not able to make use of it?

>

> Patty

> --- In , " mikat828 " <mikat828@y...>

wrote:

> >

> > kendra

> > I have tested twice over the past four years with an excessive

b12

> > level. I definitely was not supplementing either. What would

> > Dr.Leu say about that? I once found a very remote connection

between

> > high b12 and low iron but could never find it again on the

> > internet. I am puzzled why I would have a high level--well

outside

> > the norm. Also my folic acid was above normal at one time.

Because

> > of this I have been afraid to use any sublingual b12. Any info

> > would be appreciated.

> > Hugs,kathy

> >

>

October 28, 2005

Thanx....I had heard about those but they seemed so hard to me and wasn't sure about them.......maybe worth giving a try. I will see if I can find any info here on them.

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----- Original Message -----

From: Anne Bird

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Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 3:08 PM

Subject: Fibro pain

I once read that buckwheat hull lipplows would help with Fibro pain. so last year I gave a buckwheat hull pillow to a friend for Christmas. She now carries it with her all of the time at home or away and swears by it for her Fibro pain. I have no idea why it works, but seems to.

Anne

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