Guest guest Posted March 27, 2010 Report Share Posted March 27, 2010 Sorry, not at all Greg; I know you gave inulin the ol' college try, and I consider us friends. When I write that most who stop taking it do so in less thean 3 weeks, I didn't mean you. I pointed out that we have better communication on the forums on side effects, (and gas isn't even a side effect although most think it is) but better communication doesn't trump 5,000 years of continual use. BUT attepts to fix a bowel culture, though useful, crucial even, doesn't address the problem with systemic whatever-it-is. I think in this instance, tough case that you are, that 's information on pharmaceutical (and other) interventionist approaches will probably be the best we have on this list. I don't use pharma but knows specifics that would probably interest at least half of us. It might be hard to get co-operation from the doctor so you'd probably have to build your own case for the MD as a few of the ladies have. all good, Duncan > > > > > > > > Bonnie, I thought the inulin was supposed to feed the good not the bad bacteria. I have been on a probiotic for 2 years straight. Thanks Doug > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2010 Report Share Posted March 27, 2010 Doug, a bit o' skew on asparagus: it AND all of the other vegetables, 36,000 plants and counting, contain inulin. Can't get away from it, much less live without it except in a sterile lab enviromnment; it's the most common carb after only starch and before sugar in the vegetable kingdom. People who lack vegetables in their diets are deficient in the very foods that feed probiotics. So, your folks in fact HAD inulin in their diet, which may have explained their longevity. My grandad also lived to 92 without supplements; he had a garden too all good, Duncan > > > > > > > > > > Bonnie, I thought the inulin was supposed to feed the good not the bad bacteria. I have been on a probiotic for 2 years straight. Thanks Doug > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2010 Report Share Posted March 27, 2010 Hi Wil and all members of this group, I'm new here although not a new Candida sufferer. I went to the groups files page and could not find the book PDF as stated below. Perhaps I'm not looking in the right place. I would appreciate it if someone could point me in the right direction. Thanks so much... rcluley Other prebiotics? > >> > > >> > If inulin seems to bring on strange side effects what other prebiotics >> > are > >> > > >> > an option? I have heard that soluble fiber acts as a prebiotic so is >> > oat > >> > > >> > bran ok? If not are there other soluble fibers that one could choose >> > from? > >> > > >> > Thanks Doug > >> > > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2010 Report Share Posted March 27, 2010 : Why start this now!!!??? , there are many different ways of working on getting well and many of the things Wil has said are correct just on the surface. ( that means everybody knows these facts) The soil is not healthy enough to support the crops we need...it has not been since 1948. Wil is coming at this from another way...let him speak with us having respect for his findings. If we need to comment, let it be with kindness. Making sure the body terrane, our the soil terrane is correct is the main part of healing. We are " fighting " these things because we are: stressed eating the wrong foods eating foods that are grown in the wrong soil...need I go on! Candida is an " overgrowth of something the body had in it! It gets out of hand when we do not do right!!!! We all got here each in a different way...we all will get out of this many using the same others using different ways. Remember, it was not that long ago Ozone therapy was not like by Duncan...it was way to new. Now he loves it! We need to do better and put in the right things to get where we need to go. Now, if we can not all learn from others without all the bad mouthing then we will have another round of " who will be moderated " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 Duncan, they ate reasonably, probably better than most Americans, but in last 8 years or so too many TV dinners. Thanks Doug From: DuncanC <duncancrow@...> Subject: Re: Other prebiotics? candidiasis Date: Saturday, March 27, 2010, 12:35 PM  Doug, a bit o' skew on asparagus: it AND all of the other vegetables, 36,000 plants and counting, contain inulin. Can't get away from it, much less live without it except in a sterile lab enviromnment; it's the most common carb after only starch and before sugar in the vegetable kingdom. People who lack vegetables in their diets are deficient in the very foods that feed probiotics. So, your folks in fact HAD inulin in their diet, which may have explained their longevity. My grandad also lived to 92 without supplements; he had a garden too all good, Duncan > > > > > > > > > > Bonnie, I thought the inulin was supposed to feed the good not the bad bacteria. I have been on a probiotic for 2 years straight. Thanks Doug > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2010 Report Share Posted March 29, 2010 Wil, I am eating beef, chicken, mushrooms, broccoli, almonds, lettuce, peppers, garlic, olive oil, coconut oil, spinach, avocado, shrimp, green beans, stevia, tea, lemon... my diet really does not include much more than that other than sea salt and spices. My stress is high when I have not been able to sleep. I don't come in contact with any chemicals that everyone else doesn't. I sleep between 8-11 hours a night generally. Some weeks I suffer from insomnia, or when I am woken up early I cannot get back to sleep. The past 4 days I have only gotten about 6-7 hours a night. Everything is ridiculously hard during these periods. The streams of thoughts bother me sometimes for sure, but like I said, it seems to be mainly when I have not been able to sleep much. I usually practice daily meditation for at least 20 minutes a day. I hate when people try to blame these problems on the thoughts I am having. Usually anxiety or anger comes first and the thoughts follow. If you don't sleep for a few days you will be irritable. It doesn't really matter what you think. When I get anxious, I often do not know why I am anxious. My mind then tries to find reasons for why I feel so off kilter. I feel my body generally has a much larger influence on my psyche than my psyche has on my body. New age of no empathy. The idea that your conditions are completely your fault of mind allows people to be selfish. greg h > > > > Well, maybe you are not talking seriously, but I sure am! This is how easy it is to overcome a severe life threatening candida fungal overgrowth. It is so easy I put it in a little book for the world to read. And several thousands are reading it and regaining their health. It is this simple! > > > > Life and health do not have to be complicated! I am here to share just that. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2010 Report Share Posted March 29, 2010 Mushrooms are a fungus and feed yeast and spices often have hidden MSG. Certainly spices even feed candida. I've heard you should stay away from hot spices like cayenne and you should make sure that the spices you do use aren't irradiated as most of them are. Be Clear For the New Year! Heaven www.completelifehealing.com From: dreaminginnoother <dreaminginnoother@...> Subject: Re: Other prebiotics? candidiasis Date: Monday, March 29, 2010, 7:44 PM  Wil, I am eating beef, chicken, mushrooms, broccoli, almonds, lettuce, peppers, garlic, olive oil, coconut oil, spinach, avocado, shrimp, green beans, stevia, tea, lemon... my diet really does not include much more than that other than sea salt and spices. My stress is high when I have not been able to sleep. I don't come in contact with any chemicals that everyone else doesn't. I sleep between 8-11 hours a night generally. Some weeks I suffer from insomnia, or when I am woken up early I cannot get back to sleep. The past 4 days I have only gotten about 6-7 hours a night. Everything is ridiculously hard during these periods. The streams of thoughts bother me sometimes for sure, but like I said, it seems to be mainly when I have not been able to sleep much. I usually practice daily meditation for at least 20 minutes a day. I hate when people try to blame these problems on the thoughts I am having. Usually anxiety or anger comes first and the thoughts follow. If you don't sleep for a few days you will be irritable. It doesn't really matter what you think. When I get anxious, I often do not know why I am anxious. My mind then tries to find reasons for why I feel so off kilter. I feel my body generally has a much larger influence on my psyche than my psyche has on my body. New age of no empathy. The idea that your conditions are completely your fault of mind allows people to be selfish. greg h > > > > Well, maybe you are not talking seriously, but I sure am! This is how easy it is to overcome a severe life threatening candida fungal overgrowth. It is so easy I put it in a little book for the world to read. And several thousands are reading it and regaining their health. It is this simple! > > > > Life and health do not have to be complicated! I am here to share just that. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2010 Report Share Posted March 29, 2010 Try taking a good amount of calcium magensium...it always helps me sleep better and picks my moodsup too  =^.^= Sue K ________________________________ From: dreaminginnoother <dreaminginnoother@...> candidiasis Sent: Mon, March 29, 2010 3:44:58 PM Subject: Re: Other prebiotics? Wil, I am eating beef, chicken, mushrooms, broccoli, almonds, lettuce, peppers, garlic, olive oil, coconut oil, spinach, avocado, shrimp, green beans, stevia, tea, lemon... my diet really does not include much more than that other than sea salt and spices. My stress is high when I have not been able to sleep. I don't come in contact with any chemicals that everyone else doesn't. I sleep between 8-11 hours a night generally. Some weeks I suffer from insomnia, or when I am woken up early I cannot get back to sleep. The past 4 days I have only gotten about 6-7 hours a night. Everything is ridiculously hard during these periods. The streams of thoughts bother me sometimes for sure, but like I said, it seems to be mainly when I have not been able to sleep much. I usually practice daily meditation for at least 20 minutes a day. I hate when people try to blame these problems on the thoughts I am having. Usually anxiety or anger comes first and the thoughts follow. If you don't sleep for a few days you will be irritable. It doesn't really matter what you think. When I get anxious, I often do not know why I am anxious. My mind then tries to find reasons for why I feel so off kilter. I feel my body generally has a much larger influence on my psyche than my psyche has on my body. New age of no empathy. The idea that your conditions are completely your fault of mind allows people to be selfish. greg h > > > > Well, maybe you are not talking seriously, but I sure am! This is how easy it is to overcome a severe life threatening candida fungal overgrowth. It is so easy I put it in a little book for the world to read. And several thousands are reading it and regaining their health. It is this simple! > > > > Life and health do not have to be complicated! I am here to share just that. > > > > > >   > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 I turned up research a few years ago that contradicts the statement that candida feeds on mushrooms. The reason given was that too many similar points on the cell walls makes them hard to differentiate as being different from the candida, so candida doesn't " see " them. Also, candida does not produce the enzyme required to break down complex polysaccharides, same as candida not breaking down the similar polysaccharide inulin that we use on this list to selectively feed non-candida organisms. Bets are off for cooked mushrooms though as cooking breaks them down, releasing smaller starch or sugar fragments that could be candida food. Duncan > > Mushrooms are a fungus and feed yeast and spices often have hidden MSG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2010 Report Share Posted April 1, 2010 Since diagnosing with candida few yrs. ago my nutritionist only okay'd Shitake mushrooms, she says they are only ones that don't feed candida..... Blessings, Margaret A man is what he thinks about all day long...Great men are they who see that the spiritual is stronger than any material force, that thoughts rule the world.... Ralph W. Emerson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2010 Report Share Posted April 2, 2010 Duncan, then you are saying that any fresh or raw uncooked mushrooms are ok? Thanks Doug From: DuncanC <duncancrow@...> Subject: Re: Other prebiotics? candidiasis Date: Tuesday, March 30, 2010, 11:54 AM  I turned up research a few years ago that contradicts the statement that candida feeds on mushrooms. The reason given was that too many similar points on the cell walls makes them hard to differentiate as being different from the candida, so candida doesn't " see " them. Also, candida does not produce the enzyme required to break down complex polysaccharides, same as candida not breaking down the similar polysaccharide inulin that we use on this list to selectively feed non-candida organisms. Bets are off for cooked mushrooms though as cooking breaks them down, releasing smaller starch or sugar fragments that could be candida food. Duncan > > Mushrooms are a fungus and feed yeast and spices often have hidden MSG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2010 Report Share Posted April 6, 2010 I learned Doug that categorically yes mushrooms are safe as most vegetables, but there are variances. The polysaccharide portions at least are not eaten by candida, which does not produce the correct enzyme to cleave the molecule and ferment it. That much we know but bets are off when you cook them because they break down a bit. > > Duncan, then you are saying that any fresh or raw uncooked mushrooms are ok? Thanks Doug > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2010 Report Share Posted April 6, 2010 How about the theory, told me by an allergist M.D., that I had a " sensitivity " to fungus, (based on tests which I don't remember) and although mushrooms don't feed candida, still, my body has an unpleasant reaction to them because of this sensitivity. He may even have said allergy; it was a long time ago. I don't eat mushrooms anymore, because they make me feel icky. Can't describe it better than that! Thanks, sarah From: DuncanC <duncancrow@...> Subject: Re: Other prebiotics? candidiasis Date: Tuesday, April 6, 2010, 1:30 AM  I learned Doug that categorically yes mushrooms are safe as most vegetables, but there are variances. The polysaccharide portions at least are not eaten by candida, which does not produce the correct enzyme to cleave the molecule and ferment it. That much we know but bets are off when you cook them because they break down a bit. > > Duncan, then you are saying that any fresh or raw uncooked mushrooms are ok? Thanks Doug > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2010 Report Share Posted April 6, 2010 Duncan, from your answer I am not clear. You speak of variances. If I eat them raw-uncooked is it ok? Thanks Doug From: DuncanC <duncancrow@...> Subject: Re: Other prebiotics? candidiasis Date: Tuesday, April 6, 2010, 2:30 AM  I learned Doug that categorically yes mushrooms are safe as most vegetables, but there are variances. The polysaccharide portions at least are not eaten by candida, which does not produce the correct enzyme to cleave the molecule and ferment it. That much we know but bets are off when you cook them because they break down a bit. > > Duncan, then you are saying that any fresh or raw uncooked mushrooms are ok? Thanks Doug > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2010 Report Share Posted April 7, 2010 Hi Doug; I mean there are variances in polysaccharide ratio between mushroom types. Variances also in their other properties. Mainly, raw mushrooms are low-carb but you'll soon find out where you are with it. Duncan > > > > > > Duncan, then you are saying that any fresh or raw uncooked mushrooms are ok? Thanks Doug > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2010 Report Share Posted April 8, 2010 Duncan, two things dictate my choice. The white button ones are the cheapest, the others being sky high in price and a recent health news cited the white button variety as being very good for immunity. As far as noticing carbs, the only thing I notice is my boring diet and the diet I miss with the carbs. I don't mean to be personal, but I guess what I am saying is I am eating the diet that does nothing for me and avoiding the diet that makes me feel good but perhaps causes illness too. Doug From: DuncanC <duncancrow@...> Subject: Re: Other prebiotics? candidiasis Date: Wednesday, April 7, 2010, 3:25 AM  Hi Doug; I mean there are variances in polysaccharide ratio between mushroom types. Variances also in their other properties. Mainly, raw mushrooms are low-carb but you'll soon find out where you are with it. Duncan > > > > > > Duncan, then you are saying that any fresh or raw uncooked mushrooms are ok? Thanks Doug > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2010 Report Share Posted April 8, 2010 Doug, I'd suggest buying a subscription to a company who sends mushroom " logs " every month so you can cut 'em off the substrate yourself as they grow ....there are several kinds, all cheaper than if you buy them from the store. Duncan > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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