Guest guest Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 ok then, if Nystatin is anti-fungal, i have heard that with its pros there are *cons.* so what are its downsides, the negatives, the adverse side-effects? thanks. Louise > My burning question is: Is Nystatin an ANTI-biotic? > Thanks! > Louise > ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 , your English is LIGHT YEARS ahead of my Spanish! Please don't apologize!!! No necesario!!!!! :-) Â on the diet and " cheating " on it. yes, though my systemic candida was not dead--and i did not know it was not--i was able to eat high carb things somewhat and even frequently. BUT every time i did that i empowered/fed it, and it came back! and i had--still have--to work all the harder and spend more money on product etc etc to get it under control again.. my experience is that *unless* it is dead dead dead, when we eat high carbs it is fed, and it comes back. Â also, for me, eating high carbs was learned, cultural behavior. that coupled with emotional dysfunction made eating high carbs (yes they are sweet) an addiction. hence, the starting back on a high carb for people like me is a re-entry to sugar addiction. just like the alcoholic who can't take that first drink ever again, for people like me, i have to keep saying no to the high carbs. or give up any semblance of health altogether. Â , if you are right that there are *drugs* that can make us well, i would take them. i just don't know of any that are really *safe.* the candida itself makes us--because of liver damage my Encyclopedia of Natural Medicine by 2 ND's tells me--hypersensitive to both molds *and* chemicals. i go through detox from just processed table salt (which i don';t eat anymore-- i eat redmond raw salt). so what would drugs dowith a liver so damaged already? Â ...Thanks, you all. You are a great group! The best to all of you!! You are loved! Louise From: <dieguez.jorge@...> Subject: Re: Curing Candida? candidiasis Date: Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 10:49 PM I don't advice anybody to eat everything they want during an anticandida program. Don't get me wrong. I spend my time helping others in this list and other forums because I know how important it could be. Right now, I don't have too much to learn about candida and dysbiosis because I have dedicated a lot of time to this task during the past two years. There was a moment where I needed to learn everything and got help from those who were far ahead from me. I thanks them and got for it and my reward is to do the same. I bought 9 books about candida and five more about nutrition and natural healing. I have read more than 900 hours of medical articles about this syndrome and dysbiosis. Anyway, an anticandida diet is one of the most important thing you can do to eliminate this problem, and there isn't sucessfull treatment without diet. When you start a candida campain, the diet has to be serious and strict but there isn't candida case which need to be on the diet for years. If this happen, your program is wrong. Keep in mind that when candida is severe, there isn't natural antifungal which can bring it down. You need drugs and powerfull drugs at least for 3 months. Then, you can change the program and continue with natural antifungals. The diet alone can not cure candida in fact a real cure may be impossible. I have seen people who never end or don't get control easy. This could be because candida isn't the cause of everything and they are self diagnosed. 50 % of the time candida isn't the biggest health problem people have but they believe it is. To be self diagnosed is a risk and the price could be a never end battle. Another commun thing is to treat candida without know what type of it is affecting you. Candida Albicans isn't the only want which overgrowth. You may have Candida Krusei, Candida Tropical,etc. What happen with it is the azoles drugs aren't effective to treat some kind of candida. For example, candida krusei is resistent to them and need to be treated with miconazole or caspofungin. I have seen many cases like these. Some people take Fluconazol and say it did nothing. Yes, it did nothing but who told you fluconazol is the drug you needed. If you have an azole resistent strains or more than one you need another antifungal or a combination of them. Don't believe that natural antifungals are going to end with a systemic fungal infection and even less if more than one fungus is at play. I only want to help because I know how difficult this thing is and I paid my price. I made a LOT of mistakes and probably still do. But, I am almost sure that everything is in the web, forums and books, I am aware of it. Since 2008, I have spent 3 or 4 hours a day reading, researching, studing and emailing drs to get the best available to recover my health. I will be here for you guys, if I say something that you desagree, you have the right and follow what you believe is right for you. But for me, it is great to help those who are suffering this terrible condition. For those who aren't familiar with my posts, I try to do my best with my English. I don't re check because time is gold. Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â God bless all you, Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â . > > >> > > > >> > *Why does it take so long to cure candida? * > > >> > ** > > >> > *It seems to like so many things that can happen quickly, there should be a > > >> > quick way to undo the damage. Can anyone explain in laymans terms why it is > > >> > so hard to get rid of candida? Thanks, Sylvia* > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 Does a bad immune system make good candida turn bad? If so why cant building back up the immune system make bad candida turn good again? Thanks > > ok. here we go. i just have to say, i was under the impression that once *I* went " low carb " for 7 months or so, that that was enough to " kill " the candida ( " starve it out " ) and *then* it would be safe for me to eat higher carbs (like fruit, high carb vegetables and grains) again. well. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 I totally agree. I am too the point now, after years of doing low carb, that most carby foods have lost their appeal for me, simply because of the feeling my body has associated with sugary and starchy foods. Even the smell of some foods that are normally appealing to most people, make me feel a little weak. When people find out how restricted my diet is, they say it must be so hard to keep. But to me, the desire for sweets and bread has become practically non existant over the past 5 years. All the best stuff is low carb anyway(good meats and vegetables). Point of the story, I cannot get away with eating anything. It's pretty much low carb or regret for me. greg > > ok. here we go. i just have to say, i was under the impression that once *I* went " low carb " for 7 months or so, that that was enough to " kill " the candida ( " starve it out " ) and *then* it would be safe for me to eat higher carbs (like fruit, high carb vegetables and grains) again. well. > > ..i am a classic case in point. i believe that *unless* the candida is really DEAD, that when we eat high carbs again, it does come back. the sugars feed it. seems to me it's sort of like molds that go dormant in the environment from lack of water. when they get water again they go active. so the candida--fungal--in our systems, unless it is dead, when we eat high carbs again with *regularity,* the candida goes active again too!!! ... > > (this is my hard, hard-won personal experience; and i am paying a price for it! no more high carbs for me!) > > Louise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 it is candida that makes a good immune system go haywire. building up the immune system is always good; but candida still needs to be starved of the high carbs that feed it, and it needs anti-fungals to kill it, and it needs good probiotics in the gut to help fight it. Louise From: yvonne <phylisrn@...> Subject: Re: Curing Candida? candidiasis Date: Wednesday, February 24, 2010, 4:21 PM Does a bad immune system make good candida turn bad? If so why cant building back up the immune system make bad candida turn good again? Thanks > > ok. here we go. i just have to say, i was under the impression that once *I* went " low carb " for 7 months or so, that that was enough to " kill " the candida ( " starve it out " ) and *then* it would be safe for me to eat higher carbs (like fruit, high carb vegetables and grains) again. well. > > ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 Louise, Nystatin is very safe but anything can cause damage to some point. If you go deep with this problem, you are going to find that nothing is safe. Let me explain it to you. Most natural antifungals are also powerful antibacterial, so nobody knows what is their effect on the friendly flora. The secret to avoid candida is to keep the intestinal ecology healthy and alive, I mean those bacterias which benefit you in many ways. If you take natural antifungals, let say garlic, oregano oil, GSE, etc, you don't know if they are also killing lactobacillus and other benefical bacterias. As you my notice, anything could be dangerous. Nystatin isn't an antibiotic so it doesn't damage the microbiota. It is not a systemic drug so if you believe candida is outside of your gut somewhere, it won't combat it. Nystatin is a narrow spectrum medicine with effect on candida albicans more than other strains. As you see, it has limitations but if you ask me which is the best drug available to treat an intestinal candidiasis, I will tell you Nystatin. Powder is better than tablets but hard to find. Oral amphotericin B is also very effective but difficult to find too. Both drugs don't pass to the bloodstream and only act in the gut. It all depend, I see very important to get a test which can identify which candida strain is affecting you, and the medication should be according to these results. Botton line, if your intestinal overgrowth is caused by candida albicans(50% of the time), Nystatin is a first weapon to combat it. I hope this help, . > > My burning question is: Is Nystatin an ANTI-biotic? > > Thanks! > > Louise > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 Easy answer. Until candida be there, your immune system NEVER is going to work properly. To don't go into details, I am going to give you a few of the names this syndrome is also called. This contition is called, candida, candida relative complex, candidiasis, intestinal candidiasis, systemic candidiasis, candida syndrome and SCIDS ...SYSTEMIC CANDIDIASIS AND IMMUNE DIFUNCTION SYNDROME....When you have an intestinal overgrowth, your immune system is shut down. This is the reason because people with candidiasis are always sick with sinusistis, ear infections, viruses, UTI, etc. Make sense???? . > > > > ok. here we go. i just have to say, i was under the impression that once *I* went " low carb " for 7 months or so, that that was enough to " kill " the candida ( " starve it out " ) and *then* it would be safe for me to eat higher carbs (like fruit, high carb vegetables and grains) again. well. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2010 Report Share Posted February 26, 2010 Thank you very much, , for explaining so that i can really understand! i will talk to my doctor when i see her again--this will be soon. (and yes my problem is absolutely systemic, so nystatin won't help with that.. but if i could kill more of it than just starving them out etc etc is doing, might be worth a try..) again, thanks! Louise From: <dieguez.jorge@...> Subject: Re: Curing Candida? candidiasis Date: Thursday, February 25, 2010, 2:23 PM Louise, Nystatin is very safe but anything can cause damage to some point. If you go deep with this problem, you are going to find that nothing is safe. Let me explain it to you. Most natural antifungals are also powerful antibacterial, so nobody knows what is their effect on the friendly flora. The secret to avoid candida is to keep the intestinal ecology healthy and alive, I mean those bacterias which benefit you in many ways. If you take natural antifungals, let say garlic, oregano oil, GSE, etc, you don't know if they are also killing lactobacillus and other benefical bacterias. As you my notice, anything could be dangerous. Nystatin isn't an antibiotic so it doesn't damage the microbiota. It is not a systemic drug so if you believe candida is outside of your gut somewhere, it won't combat it. Nystatin is a narrow spectrum medicine with effect on candida albicans more than other strains. As you see, it has limitations but if you ask me which is the best drug available to treat an intestinal candidiasis, I will tell you Nystatin. Powder is better than tablets but hard to find. Oral amphotericin B is also very effective but difficult to find too. Both drugs don't pass to the bloodstream and only act in the gut. It all depend, I see very important to get a test which can identify which candida strain is affecting you, and the medication should be according to these results. Botton line, if your intestinal overgrowth is caused by candida albicans(50% of the time), Nystatin is a first weapon to combat it. I hope this help, . > > My burning question is: Is Nystatin an ANTI-biotic? > > Thanks! > > Louise > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2010 Report Share Posted February 26, 2010 Just to be sure everybody understands what was trying to say, *as long as* candida overgrowth is a problem, yes, definitely the immune system *is* adversely affected. (i did understand, just want to be sure everybody else does, too...) also, i am concerned that everybody seems to be quoting (below) a portion of what i wrote, but they are leaving out the " what i learned the hard way " part that *followed* the part they quote! the part that said: that unless the candida is really, truly DEAD, when we return to high carbs the fungus is fed and comes back!! (just so people know!!!) ....Thanks for being such a great group!! Louise From: <dieguez.jorge@...> Subject: Re: Curing Candida? candidiasis Date: Thursday, February 25, 2010, 2:36 PM Easy answer. Until candida be there, your immune system NEVER is going to work properly. To don't go into details, I am going to give you a few of the names this syndrome is also called. This contition is called, candida, candida relative complex, candidiasis, intestinal candidiasis, systemic candidiasis, candida syndrome and SCIDS ...SYSTEMIC CANDIDIASIS AND IMMUNE DIFUNCTION SYNDROME....When you have an intestinal overgrowth, your immune system is shut down. This is the reason because people with candidiasis are always sick with sinusistis, ear infections, viruses, UTI, etc. Make sense???? . > > > > ok. here we go. i just have to say, i was under the impression that once *I* went " low carb " for 7 months or so, that that was enough to " kill " the candida ( " starve it out " ) and *then* it would be safe for me to eat higher carbs (like fruit, high carb vegetables and grains) again. well. > > > > > ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2010 Report Share Posted February 26, 2010 Wow, I might actually have an answer for this. I asked a microbiologist about the " yeast turning into fungus " statement of 's I was confused, because a yeast IS a fungus. I asked this woman, the microbiologist, what might mean, and she said that most fungi are multi-celled, but yeast, although a fungus, has only one cell. However, sometimes candida albicans can mutate into a multi-celled filament and when it does it is very harmful. She sent me some articles about it. They stated that a lowered immune system allows this mutation to happen, they did not say that an improved immune system would then destroy the bad, filamented candida. But then again it didn't say it wouldn't. I will look into this some more!  Actually this article was from the University of Madrid, .  One article did describe how a healthy immune system prevents candida from taking over. Apparently, first of all, the candida attacks a " good " cell, but then, a special immune cell swoops in and kills the candida. Someone with a suppressed immune system doesn't have enough of these special protective cells, so the candida gets out of control.  This is more than you wanted to know but it seemed important!   From: yvonne <phylisrn@...> Subject: Re: Curing Candida? candidiasis Date: Wednesday, February 24, 2010, 3:21 PM  Does a bad immune system make good candida turn bad? If so why cant building back up the immune system make bad candida turn good again? Thanks > > ok. here we go. i just have to say, i was under the impression that once *I* went " low carb " for 7 months or so, that that was enough to " kill " the candida ( " starve it out " ) and *then* it would be safe for me to eat higher carbs (like fruit, high carb vegetables and grains) again. well. >  > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2010 Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 Louise, this is where I disagree with you. I beleive the immune system controls and heals the body. I believe that if a truly strong immune system exists, it will make the once good candida be good again. Remember, the body needs candida in its good form. It only turned bad- because of immune decline, poor diet, toxins, medicines, etc., abuse of the body. I beleive that with good clean diet and immune support the body can heal itself of candida. Now once candida is systemic, that is another whole issue and one would be in intensive care/critical care in the hospital. Again, I say if I can heal my body of kidney and heart problems with diet and supplements, surely candida can be conquered.I really beleive that the majority of people truly underestimate the benefits of a good clean diet. I think people dont want to believe cause it is so simple. People say to me you look good and have lost weight how did you do it: I say I follow a clean diet, no flour, no sugar, no fried foods, no bread and exercise . I follow the principles of Weston Price and they say uhhhh. And never talk to me about it again! I still have a long way to go. I am 40 and for the last 38 1/2 years of my life I ate literally junk. I know this is a long process. But I abused my body for so long I am willing to wait it out. I do know one thing a prescribed drug is what almost killed me so I know prescribed drugs are not the answer. Yes, I do believe there is a place for medicine such as acute heart attack, stroke, leg cut off, trauma, septecemia, but as far as chronic diseases, what can a doctor do for me except give me more pills to hide the symptoms instead of getting to the root cause. Like I wrote earlier I was one of those 'blind' health care professionals for 20 years until that supposedly " best medicine " almost killed me. > > it is candida that makes a good immune system go haywire. building up the immune system is always good; but candida still needs to be starved of the high carbs that feed it, and it needs anti-fungals to kill it, and it needs good probiotics in the gut to help fight it. > Louise > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2010 Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 Louise, that is the million dollar question in this candida battle: what came first the candida or the bad immune system. I don't think the complete answer to that question is known. Phyllis > > Just to be sure everybody understands what was trying to say, *as long as* candida overgrowth is a problem, yes, definitely the immune system *is* adversely affected. > > (i did understand, just want to be sure everybody else does, too...) > > also, i am concerned that everybody seems to be quoting (below) a portion of what i wrote, but they are leaving out the " what i learned the hard way " part that *followed* the part they quote! the part that said: that unless the candida is really, truly DEAD, when we return to high carbs the fungus is fed and comes back!! (just so people know!!!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2010 Report Share Posted March 1, 2010 wrote: [Candida] It only turned bad- because of immune decline, poor diet, toxins, medicines, etc., abuse of the body. I beleive that with good clean diet and immune support the body can heal itself of candida. Now once candida is systemic, that is another whole issue and one would be in intensive care/critical care in the hospital. Louise's reply: The candida in me went systemic--and no i am not in the hospital or in intensive care--due to: too many high carbs, not enough probiotics and too many antibiotics. and i still hold to the premise that it is candida that contributes to a poor immune system. my immunue system was fine *until* i started having a candida problem. now that the candida has gotten worse through a lot of MISinformation, my immune system is *also MUCH* worse! [but we can agree to disagree! :-)] Louise From: yvonne <phylisrn@...> Subject: Re: Curing Candida? candidiasis Date: Sunday, February 28, 2010, 3:15 PM Louise, this is where I disagree with you. I beleive the immune system controls and heals the body. I believe that if a truly strong immune system exists, it will make the once good candida be good again. Remember, the body needs candida in its good form. It only turned bad- because of immune decline, poor diet, toxins, medicines, etc., abuse of the body. I beleive that with good clean diet and immune support the body can heal itself of candida. Now once candida is systemic, that is another whole issue and one would be in intensive care/critical care in the hospital. Again, I say if I can heal my body of kidney and heart problems with diet and supplements, surely candida can be conquered.I really beleive that the majority of people truly underestimate the benefits of a good clean diet. I think people dont want to believe cause it is so simple. People say to me you look good and have lost weight how did you do it: I say I follow a clean diet, no flour, no sugar, no fried foods, no bread and exercise . I follow the principles of Weston Price and they say uhhhh. And never talk to me about it again! I still have a long way to go. I am 40 and for the last 38 1/2 years of my life I ate literally junk. I know this is a long process. But I abused my body for so long I am willing to wait it out. I do know one thing a prescribed drug is what almost killed me so I know prescribed drugs are not the answer. Yes, I do believe there is a place for medicine such as acute heart attack, stroke, leg cut off, trauma, septecemia, but as far as chronic diseases, what can a doctor do for me except give me more pills to hide the symptoms instead of getting to the root cause. Like I wrote earlier I was one of those 'blind' health care professionals for 20 years until that supposedly " best medicine " almost killed me. > > it is candida that makes a good immune system go haywire. building up the immune system is always good; but candida still needs to be starved of the high carbs that feed it, and it needs anti-fungals to kill it, and it needs good probiotics in the gut to help fight it. > Louise > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2010 Report Share Posted March 1, 2010 wrote: [Candida] It only turned bad- because of immune decline, poor diet, toxins, medicines, etc., abuse of the body. I beleive that with good clean diet and immune support the body can heal itself of candida. Now once candida is systemic, that is another whole issue and one would be in intensive care/critical care in the hospital. Louise's reply: The candida in me went systemic--and no i am not in the hospital or in intensive care--due to: too many high carbs, not enough probiotics and too many antibiotics. and i still hold to the premise that it is candida that contributes to a poor immune system. my immunue system was fine *until* i started having a candida problem. now that the candida has gotten worse through a lot of MISinformation, my immune system is *also MUCH* worse! [but we can agree to disagree! :-)] Louise From: yvonne <phylisrn@...> Subject: Re: Curing Candida? candidiasis Date: Sunday, February 28, 2010, 3:15 PM Louise, this is where I disagree with you. I beleive the immune system controls and heals the body. I believe that if a truly strong immune system exists, it will make the once good candida be good again. Remember, the body needs candida in its good form. It only turned bad- because of immune decline, poor diet, toxins, medicines, etc., abuse of the body. I beleive that with good clean diet and immune support the body can heal itself of candida. Now once candida is systemic, that is another whole issue and one would be in intensive care/critical care in the hospital. Again, I say if I can heal my body of kidney and heart problems with diet and supplements, surely candida can be conquered.I really beleive that the majority of people truly underestimate the benefits of a good clean diet. I think people dont want to believe cause it is so simple. People say to me you look good and have lost weight how did you do it: I say I follow a clean diet, no flour, no sugar, no fried foods, no bread and exercise . I follow the principles of Weston Price and they say uhhhh. And never talk to me about it again! I still have a long way to go. I am 40 and for the last 38 1/2 years of my life I ate literally junk. I know this is a long process. But I abused my body for so long I am willing to wait it out. I do know one thing a prescribed drug is what almost killed me so I know prescribed drugs are not the answer. Yes, I do believe there is a place for medicine such as acute heart attack, stroke, leg cut off, trauma, septecemia, but as far as chronic diseases, what can a doctor do for me except give me more pills to hide the symptoms instead of getting to the root cause. Like I wrote earlier I was one of those 'blind' health care professionals for 20 years until that supposedly " best medicine " almost killed me. > > it is candida that makes a good immune system go haywire. building up the immune system is always good; but candida still needs to be starved of the high carbs that feed it, and it needs anti-fungals to kill it, and it needs good probiotics in the gut to help fight it. > Louise > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2010 Report Share Posted March 1, 2010 Nystatin. I still have questions re: it. If it is an anti-fungal--and yes the candia i fight *is* systemic, so only so much can be done perhaps--i still need to know: *what are nystatin's *adverse* effects? *does it kill the probiotics, as i was told? Thanks if you can help! Louise From: yvonne <phylisrn@...> Subject: Re: Curing Candida? candidiasis Date: Sunday, February 28, 2010, 3:18 PM Louise, that is the million dollar question in this candida battle: what came first the candida or the bad immune system. I don't think the complete answer to that question is known. Phyllis > > Just to be sure everybody understands what was trying to say, *as long as* candida overgrowth is a problem, yes, definitely the immune system *is* adversely affected. > > (i did understand, just want to be sure everybody else does, too...) > > also, i am concerned that everybody seems to be quoting (below) a portion of what i wrote, but they are leaving out the " what i learned the hard way " part that *followed* the part they quote! the part that said: that unless the candida is really, truly DEAD, when we return to high carbs the fungus is fed and comes back!! (just so people know!!!) ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2010 Report Share Posted March 6, 2010 Louise, I think we are misinterpreting the word 'Systemic " . Trust me if you have true systemic candida yes indeed you would be in intensive care deathly ill. I think when people here speak of systemic candida they are talking about the toxins have affected all of their bodily systems. But if one were to culture your blood and yeast was isolated, you would be very very critical ill. This isn't a matter of agreeing to disagree... this is a medical fact )) > [Candida] It only turned bad- because of immune decline, poor diet, toxins, medicines, etc., abuse of the body. > I beleive that with good clean diet and immune support the body can heal itself of candida. Now once candida is systemic, that is another whole issue and one would be in intensive care/critical care in the hospital. > > Louise's reply: The candida in me went systemic--and no i am not in the hospital or in intensive care--due to: too many high carbs, not enough probiotics and too many antibiotics. and i still hold to the premise that it is candida that contributes to a poor immune system. my immunue system was fine *until* i started having a candida problem. now that the candida has gotten worse through a lot of MISinformation, my immune system is *also MUCH* worse! > > [but we can agree to disagree! :-)] > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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