Re: Curing Candida?

[Guest guest]

The fungal factory is in the intestines. How can you cover the inside walls of

the intestines with antifungals???? Can you paint all your home with only 1/4 of

gallon of paint??? To cure candida in the gut you need an antifungal which be in

direct contact with the infection. The internal part of the intestinal tract is

considered an outside part of the body and drugs that get the bloodstream don't

rich the lining of the gut. IV antibiotics have almost no effect on the gut

microbiota. I don't know if you get the idea. There is not way to take the

antifungals to every point inside of the gut. If you could drink a gallon of

nystatin solution with an empty stomach, probably candida die in hours. Nystatin

don't cross the intestinal walls to get the bloodstream so it only acts in the

gut but you can not do that.

>

> *Why does it take so long to cure candida? *

> **

> *It seems to like so many things that can happen quickly, there should be a

> quick way to undo the damage. Can anyone explain in laymans terms why it is

> so hard to get rid of candida? Thanks, Sylvia*

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Another case is SIBO (small intestine bacterial overgrowth) To cure SIBO, you

need an antibiotic which don't get the bloodstream and only act in the gut. But,

Can an antibiotic tablet or a teaspoon cover all the intestinal surface???

Imposible, this is the reason because SIBO is hard to cure. To cure an

intestinal candidiasis you need an antifungal which only act in the gut and

don't pass to the bloodstream. Nystatin and oral Amphotericin B do, but taking

pills or teaspoons is almost imposible to rich all the intestinal surface.

> >

> > *Why does it take so long to cure candida? *

> > **

> > *It seems to like so many things that can happen quickly, there should be a

> > quick way to undo the damage. Can anyone explain in laymans terms why it is

> > so hard to get rid of candida? Thanks, Sylvia*

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

This from my cell phone.. 3 major thngs cause candida-2 many high carbs ie

sugars feed candida. Antibiotics kill good gut bugs as well as bad ones. And

number 3-not enough probiotics. So 3 starter steps are--lower the carbs nd

starve the candida out! U prob wil hav 2 stay on the diet unles by a miracle u

cud kill it all. But u know starvng it out works wen u get the die-off as dead

candida throws toxins in bloodstream. U feel like crap but it goes away. 2ndly,

use probiotics. 3rd use anti-fungals. Better start small and try than die not

tryng. --louise

wrote:

> Another case is SIBO (small intestine bacterial overgrowth) To cure SIBO, you

need an antibiotic which don't get the bloodstream and only act in the gut. But,

Can an antibiotic tablet or a teaspoon cover all the intestinal surface???

Imposible, this is the reason because SIBO is hard to cure. To cure an

intestinal candidiasis you need an antifungal which only act in the gut and

don't pass to the bloodstream. Nystatin and oral Amphotericin B do, but taking

pills or teaspoons is almost imposible to rich all the intestinal surface.

>

>> >

>> > *Why does it take so long to cure candida? *

>> > **

>> > *It seems to like so many things that can happen quickly, there should be a

>> > quick way to undo the damage. Can anyone explain in laymans terms why it is

>> > so hard to get rid of candida? Thanks, Sylvia*

>> >

>> >

>> >

[Guest guest]

,

You are making statements that you know very little about. Your advise may hurt

more people than do good.

The fungal factory is not just in the intestines! It is in the lungs, the whole

upper respiratory system, lymphatic system, vagina and genital region, scalp,

feet, shall I go on?

Your advise to take antifungals may not be the best route for everyone.

Antifungals do not just stay in the stomach and intestines! They go into the

blood stream and out through the kidney and liver as well. They are chemicals

and chemicals are not natural. We are natural creatures.

You statement that says, IV antibiotics have no effect on gut flora, is

incorrect! When you have antibiotics in your blood the blood flows through the

whole lining of the intestines which is lined with villi, the home for the

microorganism. When their home is poisoned with antibiotic toxins, they will

leave or die.

And to respond to Sylvia;

The concept of curing candida is a good thought, but the reality is we need

candida in our body as part of our digestion and immunity. It is only when

candida goes on a population explosion that is makes a problem. Candida goes on

a population explosion as a sign of its host, the human, is unhealthy. In

nature, fungi, yeasts and molds as well as in the human, are here to decompose

the unhealthy and weak to make a food source for another life form. Just

treating the fungal overgrowth in the human body really does nothing to improve

your health. The fungi and yeasts and molds are here to just hang around till

they have a correct environment to have a population explosion. In my view, I

work with the human body to get it to a state so the candida, yeasts, fungi and

molds are not able to have a population explosion. And your statement about why

can not this be easy and fast is quite cute. It has taken many years and

generations to devolve into this

current depleted state of health you are now seeing in the industrial world. A

quick fix is not even a remote reality from my view. The soil is polluted and

depleted, conventional and organic, so is the entire food chain and so are the

humans that eat it. We are being told to eat food that we have not evolved to

be eating as nourishment for us. So some major changes have to be made in order

to return to REAL health, in my opinion.

Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath, author, researcher

Vibrational Medical Science Practitioner; working with the body's electrical

system which consists of all muscles, connective tissue, nerve sheaths, rod and

cone cells of the eyes and the DNA.

Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex and more violent. It

takes a touch of genius and a lot of courage, to move in the opposite direction.

Albert Einstein

http://mbsre-set.com

http://environotics.com

http://beeassist.com

________________________________

From: <dieguez.jorge@...>

candidiasis

Sent: Fri, February 19, 2010 12:52:59 AM

Subject: Re: Curing Candida?

The fungal factory is in the intestines. How can you cover the inside walls of

the intestines with antifungals? ??? Can you paint all your home with only 1/4

of gallon of paint??? To cure candida in the gut you need an antifungal which be

in direct contact with the infection. The internal part of the intestinal tract

is considered an outside part of the body and drugs that get the bloodstream

don't rich the lining of the gut. IV antibiotics have almost no effect on the

gut microbiota. I don't know if you get the idea. There is not way to take the

antifungals to every point inside of the gut. If you could drink a gallon of

nystatin solution with an empty stomach, probably candida die in hours. Nystatin

don't cross the intestinal walls to get the bloodstream so it only acts in the

gut but you can not do that.

>

> *Why does it take so long to cure candida? *

> **

> *It seems to like so many things that can happen quickly, there should be a

> quick way to undo the damage. Can anyone explain in laymans terms why it is

> so hard to get rid of candida? Thanks, Sylvia*

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

So, you contradict Dr. Crook MD, Dr. Cranton. MD, Dr. Stoll MD, Dr. Trowbridge

MD, Dr. Zoltan Rona, MD, Dr Truss MD, Dr. Leo Galland, MD, Dr. Shaw, MD, Dr.

Sidney Baker, MD, etc. I can give you a list of more than 50 MDs who are candida

pioneer researchers which agree that the origen of systemic candidiasis is in

the gut. Even fungemia in people critical ill and with AIDS, come from the gut.

The origen of candididiasis is the intestinal tract. More... Buy this book

" Candida and Candidiasis " and read. I don't know if you want to spend $ 85 for

it. I did. The book is from a Microbiology Department in a US University. It is

a scientific book and an student guide to study medicine. I believe in MDs, no

all MDs desagree with CRC and thanks them (Truss and Crook) you are selling Bod

probiotics to make profit. Don't answer my posts to defend your way to treat

candida which you can not support with real cases. Bring to this group only one

real testimony of success, so I will believe in your practice. I agree in the

natural way to heal but I also believe in medicine. There are millons of people

alive thank MDs. I can bring information about where everybody can find the

support for all I advice here. I own 9 books about candidiasis from MEDICAL

DOCTORS. I have emailed to Dr. Caroline Dean, MD, Dr Mc Nett, MD, Dr

Walter Stoll MD, if you don't know , all of them are candida gurus... Caroline

Dean, MD supports the Yeast Connection Website, I mean Dr. Crook's site. What

else you want??? Do you think I can desagree with them to believe in you???? I

doesn't make any sense..

.

> >

> > *Why does it take so long to cure candida? *

> > **

> > *It seems to like so many things that can happen quickly, there should be a

> > quick way to undo the damage. Can anyone explain in laymans terms why it is

> > so hard to get rid of candida? Thanks, Sylvia*

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

,

You need to slow down a weee bit. Can we just review the posts here?

Going from the bottom, from Sylvia's question about candida, answered.

And from 's comment I made a comment.

, in your comment you had said the fungal factory is in the intestines. I

had sent a comment to add the fungal factory is not only in the intestines but

also in several other places in the body. I also made the point that putting

antibiotics in the body via IV you are also affecting the microorganism in the

GI tract. Before you get all upset you should pay attention to what is being

spoken in the comments, as this continual upset is not very beneficial from

over coming a fungal overgrowth.

Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath, author, researcher

Vibrational Medical Science Practitioner; working with the body's electrical

system which consists of all muscles, connective tissue, nerve sheaths, rod and

cone cells of the eyes and the DNA.

Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex and more violent. It

takes a touch of genius and a lot of courage, to move in the opposite direction.

Albert Einstein

http://mbsre-set.com

http://environotics.com

http://beeassist.com

________________________________

From: <dieguez.jorge@...>

candidiasis

Sent: Fri, February 19, 2010 3:37:23 PM

Subject: Re: Curing Candida?

So, you contradict Dr. Crook MD, Dr. Cranton. MD, Dr. Stoll MD, Dr. Trowbridge

MD, Dr. Zoltan Rona, MD, Dr Truss MD, Dr. Leo Galland, MD, Dr. Shaw, MD, Dr.

Sidney Baker, MD, etc. I can give you a list of more than 50 MDs who are candida

pioneer researchers which agree that the origen of systemic candidiasis is in

the gut. Even fungemia in people critical ill and with AIDS, come from the gut.

The origen of candididiasis is the intestinal tract. More... Buy this book

" Candida and Candidiasis " and read. I don't know if you want to spend $ 85 for

it. I did. The book is from a Microbiology Department in a US University. It is

a scientific book and an student guide to study medicine. I believe in MDs, no

all MDs desagree with CRC and thanks them (Truss and Crook) you are selling Bod

probiotics to make profit. Don't answer my posts to defend your way to treat

candida which you can not support with real cases. Bring to this group only one

real testimony of

success, so I will believe in your practice. I agree in the natural way to heal

but I also believe in medicine. There are millons of people alive thank MDs. I

can bring information about where everybody can find the support for all I

advice here. I own 9 books about candidiasis from MEDICAL DOCTORS. I have

emailed to Dr. Caroline Dean, MD, Dr Mc Nett, MD, Dr Walter Stoll MD, if

you don't know , all of them are candida gurus... Caroline Dean, MD supports the

Yeast Connection Website, I mean Dr. Crook's site. What else you want??? Do you

think I can desagree with them to believe in you???? I doesn't make any sense..

.

> >

> > *Why does it take so long to cure candida? *

> > **

> > *It seems to like so many things that can happen quickly, there should be a

> > quick way to undo the damage. Can anyone explain in laymans terms why it is

> > so hard to get rid of candida? Thanks, Sylvia*

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi. I don't mean to change the subject, but you seem like very knowing people.

I have a yeast allergy. I react to antifungals, antifungal foods, dietary yeast

and yeast related things like vinager and msg.. natural glutamate, mushrooms,

grains and milk. I dont react as much to grains and milk as i do fungal related

things, i think it can be because they share some surface particles.

I have never had intestinal problems.. bloating, diarrea etc that would point to

me having an overgrowth.. just this allergy. Does anyone of you know how i can

fix this allergy? I know getting rid of the yeast could cure it, but i react

very strongly to antifungals. Is there a way anyone of you know of to make the

body stop attacking the yeast so much?

[Guest guest]

I would be curious to know just what sort of reactions you are having to the

anti-fungals. for a lot of us, when we do what is *correct* in this candida

diet, the organism (candida) itself does die off, and then releases its toxins

into the bloodstream. so IF we are doing what is *right,* sometimes we will feel

worse for a bit, THEN better.

 

so again, i would be curious to know just what sort of reactions you do have to

the anti-fungals. [for me the detox from candida always feels like a low-grade

flu, with LOTS of brain fog and extreme exhaustion..] and as far as loose bowels

being a sure-fire sign of candidiasis, *i* don't have those probs yet the

candida in my system is certainly systemic and has been for many years.

 

some of the signs of candida overgrowth are: fatigue, brain-fog, cravings for

high carbs (sugars), low energy. there are lots of candida websites out there

and if you were to google " candida checklist " or  " candida self-test " or

something like that, you can ask yourself the questions and assess whether

your symptoms match the candida profile. lots of anti-biotic use is one question

they always ask. the use of birth control pills is another... 

 

the only other thing i might say is what my nutritionist told me years ago. he

suspected candida, and told me to go " low carb " for 6 months. (i gave it 7

months; and now maintain low carb always..) he said, " if the symptoms go away

from this treatment, it confirms the diagnosis. "

 

well, that made sense, and he was right! when i went " low carb, " thus starving

the candida out, and yes for me i added anti-fungals and LOTS of probiotics,

then the worst of the symptoms went away..

 

btw it's not the body attacking the yeast, it is the other way around! it is the

yeast attacking the body!!! :-) [but that is probably what you meant..]

 

Louise

From: fluffymetalangel <fluffymetalangel@...>

Subject: Re: Curing Candida?

candidiasis

Date: Friday, February 19, 2010, 5:31 PM

Hi. I don't mean to change the subject, but you seem like very knowing people.

I have a yeast allergy. I react to antifungals, antifungal foods, dietary yeast

and yeast related things like vinager and msg.. natural glutamate, mushrooms,

grains and milk. I dont react as much to grains and milk as i do fungal related

things, i think it can be because they share some surface particles.

I have never had intestinal problems.. bloating, diarrea etc that would point to

me having an overgrowth.. just this allergy. Does anyone of you know how i can

fix this allergy? I know getting rid of the yeast could cure it, but i react

very strongly to antifungals. Is there a way anyone of you know of to make the

body stop attacking the yeast so much?

------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

Well put :

[jorge: Don't answer my posts to defend your way to treat candida which you can

not support with real cases. Bring to this group only one real testimony of

success, so I will believe in your practice. I agree in the natural way to heal

but I also believe in medicine. ]

I agree that we can make excellent use of medicine when we need to. To do that I

resolve confounding issues that are linked to diet and chronic infection BEFORE

determining if they need REAL medical work, which detox and diet currently is

not. The doctors have been happy their patients are tring to stay healthy on

their own, and they seem to be particularly pleased that diet and detox

compromises have been addressed.

all good,

Duncan

[Guest guest]

Medicine is clear that is very difficult to have candida in other part of the

body if you don't have an intestinal overgrowth. This what I wanted to say. You

probably know because you have read some of my post that I know candida can

happen in all those places you mentioned. It is ridiculous I wasn't aware of

that after all the time I have dedicated researching this syndrome. I don't know

everything about this but I can guarantee you I have information. It is the

result of owning 9 candida books and more than 800 hours of reading candida

related materials. I also keep contact with some candida pioneer MDs by email.

The reason is simple.... More than 70% of the immune system is in the

intestines. When candida overgrowth in the intestines for any reason, the immune

system is almost shut down and isn't strong enough to fight a candida or any

other infection in other part of the body. If you don't control an intestinal

candidiasis and restart the immune systen function, forget about to cure candida

in any other part of the body. Candida syndrome, candidiasis, candida related

complex, or simple candida is also call Systemic Candidiasis and Immnune

Difunction Syndrome. The intestines are the candida source and the most

important part to attack when you fight candida. An intestine with candida

overgrowth means candida forever and its spread to other part of the body. I

apologize if I write incorrect in English.

> > >

> > > *Why does it take so long to cure candida? *

> > > **

> > > *It seems to like so many things that can happen quickly, there should be

a

> > > quick way to undo the damage. Can anyone explain in laymans terms why it

is

> > > so hard to get rid of candida? Thanks, Sylvia*

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Thanks very much for answering Louise. No i reallt meant the body attacking the

yeast. The antibodies towards it. Do you have bloating or any other intestinal

sign of an overgrowth?

Well i have had cracking joints all of my life. Lots of ear-infections as a kid.

I think those could be involved too in this. I read in veterenary pages that

chronic ear infections can be caused by low thyroid, but i have not found any

pages about humans where they say this. Strange. A couple of years ago i saw

that my joints stop cracking when i stay away from antifungals, yeast, grains

etc.. the things i said in the previous post. I do believe it is an allergy to

yeast since yeast is what i react most to and grains and milk share some surface

particles with yeast. The reaction comes after 1 hour after eating these things.

Candida hypersensitivity i think it is called this thing i have. Apparently when

feces of people with it is cultured, the candida will not grow since there is

something strongly inhibiting it's growth. I heard this from an allergist.

I have researched cracking joints and it can come when thyroid patients get the

wrong dose medication.. aka too much or too little hormone. Some people with

fibro will also have cracking joints and they use to have thyroid problems and

problems with yeast allergy (see michael mcnett). I know a woman with hashi's

who started synthoid and started having cracking joints and the cracking stopped

for her when she excluded the things i exclude to make it stop. It came back

right away if she cheated, just like it does for me. The cracking for me comes 1

hour after eating the wrong things. Her joints are not cracking anymore since

she is on the right dose medication now but for me they are always cracking if i

eat wrong (which i do).

I know that gluten and candida antibodies cross react since they share surface

particles. And that in some tests, autoimmune thyroiditis patients have stopped

having thyroid antibodies after staying away from gluten for some time. I also

know that candida antibodies can cross react with many organs, one of them being

the thyroid.

Well short version, i believe my allergy might be affecting my thyroid levels

since it makes my joints crack.

Another reaction (very strange one) i get is that if i lay down to rest after

eating yeast, grains etc.. all of the things except for diary, i will get

brain-zaps and my teeth will start moving, almost like i am grinding my teeth

but without clinching them, even if i am awake. If i eat diary before sleeping,

my brain will feel like it is swimming in coca-cola the day after. It feels

bubbly and very strange. This is the scariest cus it stays for hours. The yeast

/ grain reaction just is like some kind of seisures, lasting for seconds. It is

just like the zaps one can get when stopping antidepressives too quickly.

Fatigue, brain-fog, sugar cravings, low energy are signs i have, and some more,

i also have much acne which goes away if i drink loads of water, skinwriting and

depression. But most of these can be because of low thyroid and doesn't have to

be yeast related. It is so difficult to know when so many things give the same

symptoms. I feel like if i had an overgrowth my stomage should produce gas when

i eat carbs or bloat up, since the gas comes when candida is eating?? but it

never does that.

I think it is very difficult to know what to eat when on a low-carb diet. There

is so much i can not eat. Last time i was on a low-carb diet for i guess 8

months, eating lots of coconut milk in my sauses. The joints started cracking

really much and hurting since coconut is antifungal, but i was thinking it is a

good cracking since the yeast is dying. But eventually i stopped the diet, it

hurted too much and eating without sause got too boring.

>

> I would be curious to know just what sort of reactions you are having to the

anti-fungals. for a lot of us, when we do what is *correct* in this candida

diet, the organism (candida) itself does die off, and then releases its toxins

into the bloodstream. so IF we are doing what is *right,* sometimes we will feel

worse for a bit, THEN better.

>  

> so again, i would be curious to know just what sort of reactions you do have

to the anti-fungals. [for me the detox from candida always feels like a

low-grade flu, with LOTS of brain fog and extreme exhaustion..] and as far as

loose bowels being a sure-fire sign of candidiasis, *i* don't have those

probs yet the candida in my system is certainly systemic and has been for many

years.

>  

> some of the signs of candida overgrowth are: fatigue, brain-fog, cravings for

high carbs (sugars), low energy. there are lots of candida websites out there

and if you were to google " candida checklist " or  " candida self-test " or

something like that, you can ask yourself the questions and assess whether

your symptoms match the candida profile. lots of anti-biotic use is one question

they always ask. the use of birth control pills is another... 

>  

> the only other thing i might say is what my nutritionist told me years ago. he

suspected candida, and told me to go " low carb " for 6 months. (i gave it 7

months; and now maintain low carb always..) he said, " if the symptoms go away

from this treatment, it confirms the diagnosis. "

>  

> well, that made sense, and he was right! when i went " low carb, " thus starving

the candida out, and yes for me i added anti-fungals and LOTS of probiotics,

then the worst of the symptoms went away..

>  

> btw it's not the body attacking the yeast, it is the other way around! it is

the yeast attacking the body!!! :-) [but that is probably what you meant..]

>  

> Louise

[Guest guest]

Hi, I agree with you mostly, but I don't think the goal is to kill all the

candida.  Some of it is just in there naturally and I think it serves a

purpose.  The idea is to stop the overgrowth and bring the gut flora back into

balance.  And then what, I don't know.  Can people go back to carbs?  If

anyone has been able to, please tell.

 

> Another case is SIBO (small intestine bacterial overgrowth) To cure SIBO, you

need an antibiotic which don't get the bloodstream and only act in the gut. But,

Can an antibiotic tablet or a teaspoon cover all the intestinal surface???

Imposible, this is the reason because SIBO is hard to cure. To cure an

intestinal candidiasis you need an antifungal which only act in the gut and

don't pass to the bloodstream. Nystatin and oral Amphotericin B do, but taking

pills or teaspoons is almost imposible to rich all the intestinal surface.

>

>> >

>> > *Why does it take so long to cure candida? *

>> > **

>> > *It seems to like so many things that can happen quickly, there should be a

>> > quick way to undo the damage. Can anyone explain in laymans terms why it is

>> > so hard to get rid of candida? Thanks, Sylvia*

>> >

>> >

>> >

[Guest guest]

I have candidiasis but was also diagnosed with an allergy to candida.  So I

know what you mean when you say your body is attacking the candida.  I wonder

if you have the overgrowth as well.  Anti-fungals do make people feel sick for

awhile.  Although whether that is your issue, I don't know.  I take them

sometimes.

 

From: fluffymetalangel <fluffymetalangel@...>

Subject: Re: Curing Candida?

candidiasis

Date: Friday, February 19, 2010, 4:31 PM

 

Hi. I don't mean to change the subject, but you seem like very knowing people.

I have a yeast allergy. I react to antifungals, antifungal foods, dietary yeast

and yeast related things like vinager and msg.. natural glutamate, mushrooms,

grains and milk. I dont react as much to grains and milk as i do fungal related

things, i think it can be because they share some surface particles.

I have never had intestinal problems.. bloating, diarrea etc that would point to

me having an overgrowth.. just this allergy. Does anyone of you know how i can

fix this allergy? I know getting rid of the yeast could cure it, but i react

very strongly to antifungals. Is there a way anyone of you know of to make the

body stop attacking the yeast so much?

[Guest guest]

Candida in its yeast form isn't toxic. When candida change to its fungal form is

very dangerous and extremely toxic. When the friendly bacteria decrease, the

lactic acid production decrease. This mean a rise in the intestinal ph. When the

ph goes high, candida mutate to fungus and star making toxins as a result of its

own metabolic cycle. This is a CRC case. The goal is to bring candida back to

yeast. Easy to say but very hard to do. Intestinal candidiasis is the result of

change in the intestinal ph which favor candida mutation. I eat everything but

no gluten. Ice Cream, Corn, Fruits, Rice, Beans, Beers, (gluten free or Bud

Light) During the week, I eat carefully but no with panic. I eat a healthy diet

most of the time but when I want a plate full of french fries and chesse, I do.

Listen, you can eat everything but don't abuse. During the first 6 months, you

should respect an anticandida diet but no severe. IMO.

> >> >

> >> > *Why does it take so long to cure candida? *

> >> > **

> >> > *It seems to like so many things that can happen quickly, there should be

a

> >> > quick way to undo the damage. Can anyone explain in laymans terms why it

is

> >> > so hard to get rid of candida? Thanks, Sylvia*

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

[Guest guest]

Man, with systemic candida, I would be *dead* if i ate the things that

says *he* eats!!! for any of us truly fighting candida overgrowth, NO high

carbs!!! this means NO fruit, NO grains, NO high carbs. (No, NO sugar.) sugar

feeds the fungus/candida.

 

Louise

From: <dieguez.jorge@...>

Subject: Re: Curing Candida?

candidiasis

Date: Sunday, February 21, 2010, 11:04 PM

Candida in its yeast form isn't toxic. When candida change to its fungal form is

very dangerous and extremely toxic. When the friendly bacteria decrease, the

lactic acid production decrease. This mean a rise in the intestinal ph. When the

ph goes high, candida mutate to fungus and star making toxins as a result of its

own metabolic cycle. This is a CRC case. The goal is to bring candida back to

yeast. Easy to say but very hard to do. Intestinal candidiasis is the result of

change in the intestinal ph which favor candida mutation. I eat everything but

no gluten. Ice Cream, Corn, Fruits, Rice, Beans, Beers, (gluten free or Bud

Light) During the week, I eat carefully but no with panic. I eat a healthy diet

most of the time but when I want a plate full of french fries and chesse, I do.

Listen, you can eat everything but don't abuse. During the first 6 months, you

should respect an anticandida diet but no severe. IMO.

> >> >

> >> > *Why does it take so long to cure candida? *

> >> > **

> >> > *It seems to like so many things that can happen quickly, there should be

a

> >> > quick way to undo the damage. Can anyone explain in laymans terms why it

is

> >> > so hard to get rid of candida? Thanks, Sylvia*

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

[Guest guest]

Just out of curiosity: What would happen to you if you drank a gallon of

nystatin?

I *am not* going to try it but just wondering how bad it would be. Thanks,

Sylvia

On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 9:52 PM, <dieguez.jorge@...> wrote:

> The fungal factory is in the intestines. How can you cover the inside walls

> of the intestines with antifungals???? Can you paint all your home with only

> 1/4 of gallon of paint??? To cure candida in the gut you need an antifungal

> which be in direct contact with the infection. The internal part of the

> intestinal tract is considered an outside part of the body and drugs that

> get the bloodstream don't rich the lining of the gut. IV antibiotics have

> almost no effect on the gut microbiota. I don't know if you get the idea.

> There is not way to take the antifungals to every point inside of the gut.

> If you could drink a gallon of nystatin solution with an empty stomach,

> probably candida die in hours. Nystatin don't cross the intestinal walls to

> get the bloodstream so it only acts in the gut but you can not do that.

>

>

>

>

> >

> > *Why does it take so long to cure candida? *

> > **

> > *It seems to like so many things that can happen quickly, there should be

> a

> > quick way to undo the damage. Can anyone explain in laymans terms why it

> is

> > so hard to get rid of candida? Thanks, Sylvia*

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

You are right. When you star an anticandida program, you can not eat that. I eat

all these things after two years but the first 6 months, I was very carefully

about what I ate. I am not telling anybody to do that. The question was if

somebody could come back to carbohydrates. StilL, I don't abuse. Systemic

candidiasis is an intestinal overgrowth. It is very rare that candida get the

bloodstream.

.

> > >> >

> > >> > *Why does it take so long to cure candida? *

> > >> > **

> > >> > *It seems to like so many things that can happen quickly, there should

be a

> > >> > quick way to undo the damage. Can anyone explain in laymans terms why

it is

> > >> > so hard to get rid of candida? Thanks, Sylvia*

> > >> >

> > >> >

> > >> >

[Guest guest]

My burning question is: Is Nystatin an ANTI-biotic?

Thanks!

Louise

> The fungal factory is in the intestines. How can you cover the inside walls

> of the intestines with antifungals???? Can you paint all your home with only

> 1/4 of gallon of paint??? To cure candida in the gut you need an antifungal

> which be in direct contact with the infection. The internal part of the

> intestinal tract is considered an outside part of the body and drugs that

> get the bloodstream don't rich the lining of the gut. IV antibiotics have

> almost no effect on the gut microbiota. I don't know if you get the idea.

> There is not way to take the antifungals to every point inside of the gut.

> If you could drink a gallon of nystatin solution with an empty stomach,

> probably candida die in hours. Nystatin don't cross the intestinal walls to

> get the bloodstream so it only acts in the gut but you can not do that.

>

>

>

>

> >

> > *Why does it take so long to cure candida?  *

> > **

> > *It seems to like so many things that can happen quickly, there should be

> a

> > quick way to undo the damage. Can anyone explain in laymans terms why it

> is

> > so hard to get rid of candida? Thanks, Sylvia*

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

ok. here we go. i just have to say, i was under the impression that once *I*

went " low carb " for 7 months or so, that that was enough to " kill " the candida

( " starve it out " ) and *then* it would be safe for me to eat higher carbs (like

fruit, high carb vegetables and grains) again. well.

 

...i am a classic case in point. i believe that *unless* the candida is really

DEAD, that when we eat high carbs again, it does come back. the sugars feed it.

seems to me it's sort of like molds that go dormant in the environment from lack

of water. when they get water again they go active. so the candida--fungal--in

our systems, unless it is dead, when we eat high carbs again with

*regularity,* the candida goes active again too!!! ...

 

(this is my hard, hard-won personal experience; and i am paying a price for it!

no more high carbs for me!)

 

Louise

From: <dieguez.jorge@...>

Subject: Re: Curing Candida?

candidiasis

Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 10:24 PM

You are right. When you star an anticandida program, you can not eat that. I eat

all these things after two years but the first 6 months, I was very carefully

about what I ate. I am not telling anybody to do that. The question was if

somebody could come back to carbohydrates. StilL, I don't abuse. Systemic

candidiasis is an intestinal overgrowth. It is very rare that candida get the

bloodstream.

                        .

> > >> >

> > >> > *Why does it take so long to cure candida? *

> > >> > **

> > >> > *It seems to like so many things that can happen quickly, there should

be a

> > >> > quick way to undo the damage. Can anyone explain in laymans terms why

it is

> > >> > so hard to get rid of candida? Thanks, Sylvia*

> > >> >

> > >> >

> > >> >

[Guest guest]

This is a long post, but I will shut up after this.

 

To tell someone that he " can eat everything but don't abuse " is

irresponsible.   What might apply to does not apply to every person, and

every person's program for overcoming candida has to be different.  Some things

work for one person and not for another.  Furthermore if truly can eat

all that stuff, okay, that works for him, but it seems like he's in a very

small minority.  Time after time on this site I read posts from people who say

they didn't start feeling better until they got serious and STAYED serious. 

For how long?  For some people, forever.  For , obviously not.  And to

all the people who ask, how long do I have to follow this diet...no one can

answer that question for another person.  All they can do is share their

experience. 

I know how hard it is to change one's diet.  But after having changed mine and

finally gotten used to it, I have to tell you that TO ME there is nothing

special or wonderful about rice, beans, fruit, sweeteners of any kind, dessert,

bread, grains...of course we're USED to that, but I for one feel SO MUCH

BETTER and alive after having changed my diet, and I would NEVER want to go

back to how I felt before, even as a child before candida, when my pleasure in

life came from eating.  That life was so damn boring and flat-feeling

compared to how I feel now.

 

Do we eat to live or live to eat?  Eating to live is SO MUCH more satisfying. 

I ENJOY eating, but it's more a feeling of giving my body what it needs and

feeling satisfied, than the feeling of " ooh! Yummy food! " .  Also, fresh

organic meat and vegetables don't give you the kick of old or processed food,

but it feels so damn good to the body.  It's a whole different way of feeling

satisfied.  And I am NOT a food nazi, I just frankly would love to see humanity

as a whole stop living as addicts. What if there were billboards of broccoli

instead of Mc's?  Of course, brown rice isn't Mc's, and I don't

know if people NEED grains and legumes or not.  I don't THINK so.  Wil's right

when he says that humans evolved on a very low -carb diet.  We didn't start

eating grains until the last few thousand years, which is a blink of the eye in

evolution.  The human body is adapted to function best on a diet similar to

what humans ate for

millions of years, and not on the foods we developed through selective

breeding in agriculture.  In my opinion.  It's also the opinion of

Diamond, who wrote the books Guns, Germs and Steel,  and Collapse: How

Societies Fail or Succeed.  He has an article on the internet called " Mankind's

Biggest Mistake " about the harmful effects of switching from a hunter-gatherer

way of life to an agriculture one.

 

I know I sound rigid and snobbish, and I don't mean to.  But this has been my

experience, and it was REALLY REALLY hard to change the way I ate.  I thought

it was impossible.  And life is SO MUCH BETTER now, and I want to tell people

that maybe it would be that way for them, too eventually.  

 

I will shut up now.  Proselytizing never did any good, anyway. 

- On Mon, 2/22/10, Everett <louise_everet93@...> wrote:

From: Everett <louise_everet93@...>

Subject: Re: Re: Curing Candida?

candidiasis

Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 1:02 AM

 

Man, with systemic candida, I would be *dead* if i ate the things that

says *he* eats!!! for any of us truly fighting candida overgrowth, NO high

carbs!!! this means NO fruit, NO grains, NO high carbs. (No, NO sugar.) sugar

feeds the fungus/candida.

 

Louise

From: <dieguez.jorge>

Subject: Re: Curing Candida?

candidiasis

Date: Sunday, February 21, 2010, 11:04 PM

Candida in its yeast form isn't toxic. When candida change to its fungal form is

very dangerous and extremely toxic. When the friendly bacteria decrease, the

lactic acid production decrease. This mean a rise in the intestinal ph. When the

ph goes high, candida mutate to fungus and star making toxins as a result of its

own metabolic cycle. This is a CRC case. The goal is to bring candida back to

yeast. Easy to say but very hard to do. Intestinal candidiasis is the result of

change in the intestinal ph which favor candida mutation. I eat everything but

no gluten. Ice Cream, Corn, Fruits, Rice, Beans, Beers, (gluten free or Bud

Light) During the week, I eat carefully but no with panic. I eat a healthy diet

most of the time but when I want a plate full of french fries and chesse, I do.

Listen, you can eat everything but don't abuse. During the first 6 months, you

should respect an anticandida diet but no severe. IMO.

> >> >

> >> > *Why does it take so long to cure candida? *

> >> > **

> >> > *It seems to like so many things that can happen quickly, there should be

a

> >> > quick way to undo the damage. Can anyone explain in laymans terms why it

is

> >> > so hard to get rid of candida? Thanks, Sylvia*

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

[Guest guest]

Nystatin is anti-fungal

google " Nystatin wiki "

___________________________

On 23/02/2010 9:42 AM, Everett wrote:

> My burning question is: Is Nystatin an ANTI-biotic?

> Thanks!

> Louise

>

[Guest guest]

I don't advice anybody to eat everything they want during an anticandida

program. Don't get me wrong. I spend my time helping others in this list and

other forums because I know how important it could be. Right now, I don't have

too much to learn about candida and dysbiosis because I have dedicated a lot of

time to this task during the past two years. There was a moment where I needed

to learn everything and got help from those who were far ahead from me. I thanks

them and got for it and my reward is to do the same. I bought 9 books about

candida and five more about nutrition and natural healing. I have read more than

900 hours of medical articles about this syndrome and dysbiosis. Anyway, an

anticandida diet is one of the most important thing you can do to eliminate this

problem, and there isn't sucessfull treatment without diet. When you start a

candida campain, the diet has to be serious and strict but there isn't candida

case which need to be on the diet for years. If this happen, your program is

wrong. Keep in mind that when candida is severe, there isn't natural antifungal

which can bring it down. You need drugs and powerfull drugs at least for 3

months. Then, you can change the program and continue with natural antifungals.

The diet alone can not cure candida in fact a real cure may be impossible. I

have seen people who never end or don't get control easy. This could be because

candida isn't the cause of everything and they are self diagnosed. 50 % of the

time candida isn't the biggest health problem people have but they believe it

is. To be self diagnosed is a risk and the price could be a never end battle.

Another commun thing is to treat candida without know what type of it is

affecting you. Candida Albicans isn't the only want which overgrowth. You may

have Candida Krusei, Candida Tropical,etc. What happen with it is the azoles

drugs aren't effective to treat some kind of candida. For example, candida

krusei is resistent to them and need to be treated with miconazole or

caspofungin. I have seen many cases like these. Some people take Fluconazol and

say it did nothing. Yes, it did nothing but who told you fluconazol is the drug

you needed. If you have an azole resistent strains or more than one you need

another antifungal or a combination of them. Don't believe that natural

antifungals are going to end with a systemic fungal infection and even less if

more than one fungus is at play. I only want to help because I know how

difficult this thing is and I paid my price. I made a LOT of mistakes and

probably still do. But, I am almost sure that everything is in the web, forums

and books, I am aware of it. Since 2008, I have spent 3 or 4 hours a day

reading, researching, studing and emailing drs to get the best available to

recover my health. I will be here for you guys, if I say something that you

desagree, you have the right and follow what you believe is right for you. But

for me, it is great to help those who are suffering this terrible condition. For

those who aren't familiar with my posts, I try to do my best with my English. I

don't re check because time is gold.

God bless all you,

.

> > >> >

> > >> > *Why does it take so long to cure candida? *

> > >> > **

> > >> > *It seems to like so many things that can happen quickly, there should

be a

> > >> > quick way to undo the damage. Can anyone explain in laymans terms why

it is

> > >> > so hard to get rid of candida? Thanks, Sylvia*

> > >> >

> > >> >

> > >> >

[Guest guest]

Is there some way to edit posts??? I wanted to say... Candida albicans is not

the only ONE (sorry, I wrote want) and I thanks GOD and them... (I wrote got)

Sorry for this..

> > > >> >

> > > >> > *Why does it take so long to cure candida? *

> > > >> > **

> > > >> > *It seems to like so many things that can happen quickly, there

should be a

> > > >> > quick way to undo the damage. Can anyone explain in laymans terms why

it is

> > > >> > so hard to get rid of candida? Thanks, Sylvia*

> > > >> >

> > > >> >

> > > >> >

[Guest guest]

Candida is a polymorphic organism. So far, sciencie knows it can live in 3

different ways. In its yeast form is a " dormant " criature. When it changes to

fungus, is very dangerous and toxic. Candida can not be cured with diet alone,

and the word " cured " is relative.

> > > >> >

> > > >> > *Why does it take so long to cure candida? *

> > > >> > **

> > > >> > *It seems to like so many things that can happen quickly, there

should be a

> > > >> > quick way to undo the damage. Can anyone explain in laymans terms why

it is

> > > >> > so hard to get rid of candida? Thanks, Sylvia*

> > > >> >

> > > >> >

> > > >> >

[Guest guest]

, THANK YOU for sharing your thoughts!!! I could not agree more on the " I

feel so good now even on a strict diet, WHY would i want to go back to feeling

sick, anyway? "

Way to go! Amen, sister, amen!!

Louise

From: <dieguez.jorge>

Subject: Re: Curing Candida?

candidiasis

Date: Sunday, February 21, 2010, 11:04 PM

Candida in its yeast form isn't toxic. When candida change to its fungal form is

very dangerous and extremely toxic. When the friendly bacteria decrease, the

lactic acid production decrease. This mean a rise in the intestinal ph. When the

ph goes high, candida mutate to fungus and star making toxins as a result of its

own metabolic cycle. This is a CRC case. The goal is to bring candida back to

yeast. Easy to say but very hard to do. Intestinal candidiasis is the result of

change in the intestinal ph which favor candida mutation. I eat everything but

no gluten. Ice Cream, Corn, Fruits, Rice, Beans, Beers, (gluten free or Bud

Light) During the week, I eat carefully but no with panic. I eat a healthy diet

most of the time but when I want a plate full of french fries and chesse, I do.

Listen, you can eat everything but don't abuse. During the first 6 months, you

should respect an anticandida diet but no severe. IMO.

> >> >

> >> > *Why does it take so long to cure candida? *

> >> > **

> >> > *It seems to like so many things that can happen quickly, there should be

a

> >> > quick way to undo the damage. Can anyone explain in laymans terms why it

is

> >> > so hard to get rid of candida? Thanks, Sylvia*

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >