Re: I must put in my new word on whey

[Guest guest]

Hi Bob, I absolutely agree. I'm just curious why whey works for some and not

for others. It would be nice to be able to say, hey if you have these <insert

variable(s) here>, then whey is for you, if not whey is not for you. This is

completely anecdotal, but it seems like whey seems to work better for those that

are underweight than normal weight or overweight.

Luv,

Debby in San , CA

147 pounds lost! 100% of health issues reversed!

Currently studying for Nutrition license and PhD in Psychology

Group: curingcandida/

Website: http://www.naturallythriving.com

----- Original Message ----

> From: " Bobcat4956

>

> I think it is rather RIDICULOUS to blame everything on candida. Everyone

> cannot take whey OR inulin. Some may see results and others none. That is

the

>

> nature of this whole environmental illness thing. We each have to find our

> own way.

[Guest guest]

Hi Duncan,

I'm really curious about this just because I've seen so many different stories

about whey, and you are the resident expert. Can you please answer these

questions and satisfy my curiosity? I would really appreciate it!

1) If someone was truly truly not able to have any dairy products, what you

would recommend ***besides*** whey?

2) Do you believe there are people who truly can't have dairy/whey in any form?

3) Do you think that all of the people who have trouble with whey are only

having herx/die-off reactions or something else?

Thanks so much Duncan!

Luv,

Debby in San , CA

147 pounds lost! 100% of health issues reversed!

Currently studying for Nutrition license and PhD in Psychology

Group: curingcandida/

Website: http://www.naturallythriving.com

----- Original Message ----

> From: Duncan Crow

>

> Debby,

>

> Immunocal is only second best because it's about 8 times more costly

> than our common alternatives we discuss on-list In Canada it's called

> HMS-90, which I was told by a distributor is an acronym for Humanized

> Milk Serum 90% protein. Immunocal is well-tolerated and one can find

> out by using it if it's a detox or a whey reaction that's causing

> issues

>

> This is where wheys vary.

>

>

> Duncan

[Guest guest]

Bonnie, the amino acid glutamine is indeed used in glutathione

creation, but glutamine is not the rate-limiting factor as we have a

lot in our diet. The rate-liniting factor that is in short supply and

needs to be supplemented is bioavailable cysteine; i.e. two cysteines

or a cyysteine bound to another amino acid as a compound.

Duncan

>

> Sorry Duncan, when I saw Glutamic Acid in the Hemp & Salba formulas,

I

> thought that would increase Glutathione. NO?

>

>

>

> Bonnie

[Guest guest]

Hi Debbie,

1) cystine

2) yes, but genuine reaction to the purest whey product is rare, as

all mammals' survival of the species relies on certain whey

components that are in common to all mammals (and packaged in

Immunocal for example). Foreign mammal-specific proteins in a less

purified whey may give a sensitive a reaction; that's why for many,

goat whey or human milk products would be well-tolerated but cow whey

not.

3) I think all of the group with Herx/die-off reactions would

probably contain a few people in which it's really a bonafide

reaction to foreign proteins, but again this is a tiny percentage.

Immunocal is officially noted in the PDR for prescription drugs as

being well-tolerated by this group.

Duncan

>

> Hi Duncan,

>

> I'm really curious about this just because I've seen so many

different stories about whey, and you are the resident expert. Can

you please answer these questions and satisfy my curiosity? I would

really appreciate it!

>

>

> 1) If someone was truly truly not able to have any dairy products,

what you would recommend ***besides*** whey?

> 2) Do you believe there are people who truly can't have dairy/whey

in any form?

> 3) Do you think that all of the people who have trouble with whey

are only having herx/die-off reactions or something else?

>

> Thanks so much Duncan!

>

> Luv,

> Debby in San , CA

> 147 pounds lost! 100% of health issues reversed!

> Currently studying for Nutrition license and PhD in Psychology

> Group: curingcandida/

> Website: http://www.naturallythriving.com

[Guest guest]

Cheap, normally wasted, low-temperature-extracted whey powder was the

effective glutathione increaser that primary researcher Gustavo

Bounous studied; he published his findings in his book " Breakthrough

in Cell Defense " .

A few similars are mentioned at:

http://tinyurl.com/cuzcc

Duncan

>

> <<Immunocal is only second best because it's about 8 times more

costly

> than our common alternatives we discuss on-list>>

>

>

>

> I am sorry, but I am new to the list. What is the " common

alternative " that

> you discussed on the list? I would love to know .

>

>

>

> Thanks.

>

>

>

> Sibylle Faye

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 7/21/2008 7:50:36 PM Central Daylight Time,

debbypadilla@... writes:

But I can't ignore that some swear by it, and I wonder why it works for some

and not others.

Is is just the dairy, or are some people getting die-off/herx and then

assuming it is a food intolerance? Can people usually tell the difference

between

the two? Greg I'm not saying this is the case for you or anything like that,

I'm just asking questions because I'm curious about this.

Luv,

Debby in San , CA

I just read something that basically said that " while whey can be very

beneficial and a blessing for some; it can be disastrous for others who are

intolerent. " I think that pretty much somes it up. If you can take whey,

that's

great... but some people can't and they need to seek another way (not whey

LOL)

It's important to factor in intolerence to foods. I know of people who were

sooo sick and intolerant they ate 2 foods before they regained their health.

You can be intolerant to any foods and this is very easy when you have

holes in the lining for food particles to escape and the (any kind) food to be

attacked. And of course, all allergies place a huge stress on the system and

inhibit healing.

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[Guest guest]

I have never reacted to foods before being on Nystatin but I find it

makes me very sensitive to food and also chemically sensitive. If I

eat something like berries I get a stabbing pain in various places

usually legs, and if I'm around dirt or chemicals my eyes tear.

Herxing is from die-off--your immune system is activated, which

creates muscle pain, and producing histamines, which is itchy--it goes

on for a while (minutes or hours) and for me, anyway, the food

reaction is just for a moment. They can have similar sensations such

as itchiness. I think some reactions are neither but instead are foods

such as spices activating certain receptors in the body. Having bad

candida, our immune systems are dysregulated so there is a lot of

weird stuff going on. If you're reacting (as opposed to herxing) and

not on antifungals then you must have a really sensitive system or are

allergic. I herxed lots in my Lyme treatment but had no food

reactions. The antifungal herxes start all over when I take them and

die out, but with things that build up in your blood (maybe Diflucan

would do this) the herx peaks after a few weeks and goes on for a

couple months, and is horrible the whole time.

Vicky

> > >

> > >

> > > I'm curious, do you get the same reactions if you take anti-fungals?

> > It's possible it's a herx reaction.

>

[Guest guest]

I think every body is different in this area. When I eat a food I am intolerant

to, I get blood sugar imbalances (even if the food is not high carb like raw

full fat cream), extreme fatigue, bloating, cravings and sometimes diarrhea.

When I had die-off I got headaches, muscle aches and nausea, and sometimes

diarrhea. So as you can see for me, die-off/herx is very different for me

(aside from the diarrhea) than the reactions I get to eating foods I am

intolerant to.

I can tell the difference mainly because I often eat the same foods over and

over and over again, and have followed a strict anti-candida diet for almost 4

years now. I spent several years eating only beef and about three different

kinds of veggies with coconut oil. My candida is cured (probably more like

managed) and I have no more health issues or symptoms of candida.

I continue to follow the diet for weight loss maintenance and because I feel

healthier eating this way, and many other foods are intolerances for me,

regardless of candida. I'm asking these questions more because I'm curious

about why whey helps some and not others, and if there is another suggestion for

those who don't tolerate it. I was also trying to see if some people think that

the issues with whey are die-off/herx or a true intolerance.

Luv,

Debby in San , CA

147 pounds lost! 100% of health issues reversed!

Currently studying for Nutrition Certification and PhD in Psychology

Group: curingcandida/

Website: http://www.naturallythriving.com

----- Original Message ----

> From: multitoed

> I have never reacted to foods before being on Nystatin but I find it

> makes me very sensitive to food and also chemically sensitive. If I

> eat something like berries I get a stabbing pain in various places

> usually legs, and if I'm around dirt or chemicals my eyes tear.

> Herxing is from die-off--your immune system is activated, which

> creates muscle pain, and producing histamines, which is itchy--it goes

> on for a while (minutes or hours) and for me, anyway, the food

> reaction is just for a moment. They can have similar sensations such

> as itchiness. I think some reactions are neither but instead are foods

> such as spices activating certain receptors in the body. Having bad

> candida, our immune systems are dysregulated so there is a lot of

> weird stuff going on. If you're reacting (as opposed to herxing) and

> not on antifungals then you must have a really sensitive system or are

> allergic. I herxed lots in my Lyme treatment but had no food

> reactions. The antifungal herxes start all over when I take them and

> die out, but with things that build up in your blood (maybe Diflucan

> would do this) the herx peaks after a few weeks and goes on for a

> couple months, and is horrible the whole time.

>

> Vicky

>

>

> >

> > Hi Greg,

> >

> > Personally I do not believe everything is die-off or herx either for

> sure. I don't even know how you really would tell them apart. I was

> able to tell for myself only because my symptoms for herx/die-off and

> my symptoms for food intolerances are vastly different. So I can tell

> when a food just doesn't work for me, and when I'm getting die-off.

> >

> > As you know I don't recommend whey on my program simply because the

> results seem to be inconsistent. I prefer sticking with tried-n-true

> methods, and I'm also an evolutionary nutritionist, so dairy doesn't

> fit in that scheme any way. But I can't ignore that some swear by it,

> and I wonder why it works for some and not others.

> >

> > Is is just the dairy, or are some people getting die-off/herx and

> then assuming it is a food intolerance? Can people usually tell the

> difference between the two? Greg I'm not saying this is the case for

> you or anything like that, I'm just asking questions because I'm

> curious about this.

[Guest guest]

Thanks Duncan for your response. I still have another question though.

For these people in our group who say they get bloating, cramping, back pain, or

what ever symptoms from whey, in their case do you think this is generally a

herx/die-off reaction or a sensitivity to whey or something else? What do you

generally attribute those symptoms to?

Luv,

Debby in San , CA

147 pounds lost! 100% of health issues reversed!

Currently studying for Nutrition license and PhD in Psychology

Group: curingcandida/

Website: http://www.naturallythriving.com

----- Original Message ----

> From: Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...>

> 2) yes, but genuine reaction to the purest whey product is rare, as

> all mammals' survival of the species relies on certain whey

> components that are in common to all mammals (and packaged in

> Immunocal for example). Foreign mammal-specific proteins in a less

> purified whey may give a sensitive a reaction; that's why for many,

> goat whey or human milk products would be well-tolerated but cow whey

> not.

[Guest guest]

Debbie, IMO bloating and its associate cramping are caused by a

change to the bowel ecology. This amounts to a change in homeostasis,

the body's ability to accept disease in eventual comfort.

I see no reason to think this is the Herxheimer-Jarisch reaction,

which would not be a gassy one but one of feeling poorly and

headachy. It might be die-off though.

Back pain may be associated with the kidneys improving; many people

on an anti-aging program report kidney pressure as kidney size and

function inmproves. This follows the literature on anti-aging.

Duncan

>

> Thanks Duncan for your response. I still have another question

though.

>

> For these people in our group who say they get bloating, cramping,

back pain, or what ever symptoms from whey, in their case do you

think this is generally a herx/die-off reaction or a sensitivity to

whey or something else? What do you generally attribute those

symptoms to?

>

> Luv,

> Debby in San , CA

> 147 pounds lost! 100% of health issues reversed!

> Currently studying for Nutrition license and PhD in Psychology

> Group: curingcandida/

> Website: http://www.naturallythriving.com

>

>

>

>

> ----- Original Message ----

> > From: Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...>

> > 2) yes, but genuine reaction to the purest whey product is rare,

as

> > all mammals' survival of the species relies on certain whey

> > components that are in common to all mammals (and packaged in

> > Immunocal for example). Foreign mammal-specific proteins in a

less

> > purified whey may give a sensitive a reaction; that's why for

many,

> > goat whey or human milk products would be well-tolerated but cow

whey

> > not.

>

[Guest guest]

I wish that I could eat the whey, but I have allergies to all forms of dairy.

It inflames all the smooth membranes in my body, starting with the throat and

bronchii. I am using the Inulin and the selenium, but couldn't tolerate the

whey fully. I have found that I can use up to half a scoop, mixed with rice

protein every 4th or 5th day. I wonder if I will eventually be able to increase

the frequency and if that little is really doing me more harm or is it helping.

I wonder how much of my allergies, not just to dairy, but to other things is

tied up in the candidiasis,etc and might eventually improve with persistence.

Georgia

> Re: Re: I must put in my new word on whey

>

>

> In a message dated 7/21/2008 7:50:36 PM Central Daylight Time,

> debbypadilla@... writes:

>

> But I can't ignore that some swear by it, and I wonder why it works for

> some

> and not others.

>

>

>

> I just read something that basically said that " while whey can be very

> beneficial and a blessing for some; it can be disastrous for others who

> are

> intolerent. " I think that pretty much somes it up. If you can take

> whey, that's

> great... but some people can't and they need to seek another way (not

> whey

> LOL)

>

> It's important to factor in intolerence to foods. I know of people who

> were

> sooo sick and intolerant they ate 2 foods before they regained their

> health.

> You can be intolerant to any foodsAnd of course, all allergies place a huge

stress on the system

> and

> inhibit healing.

>

>

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Interesting Duncan. So for people that are getting these symptoms, do you think

they should continue on with the whey? How long do you think it would take for

their symptoms to abate?

Luv,

Debby in San , CA

147 pounds lost! 100% of health issues reversed!

Currently studying for Nutrition license and PhD in Psychology

Group: curingcandida/

Website: http://www.naturallythriving.com

----- Original Message ----

> From: Duncan Crow

>

> Debbie, IMO bloating and its associate cramping are caused by a

> change to the bowel ecology. This amounts to a change in homeostasis,

> the body's ability to accept disease in eventual comfort.

>

> I see no reason to think this is the Herxheimer-Jarisch reaction,

> which would not be a gassy one but one of feeling poorly and

> headachy. It might be die-off though.

>

> Back pain may be associated with the kidneys improving; many people

> on an anti-aging program report kidney pressure as kidney size and

> function inmproves. This follows the literature on anti-aging.

>

> Duncan

[Guest guest]

I press my clients to continue with the whey because sensitivities or

not it does produce the body's master antioxidant and detoxifier,

which can help them like no other supplement. It's also an anti-aging

tool, as age-related degeneration and low immune response are also

linked to low glutathione levels.

Duncan

>

> Interesting Duncan. So for people that are getting these symptoms,

do you think they should continue on with the whey? How long do you

think it would take for their symptoms to abate?

>

>

> Luv,

> Debby in San , CA

> 147 pounds lost! 100% of health issues reversed!

> Currently studying for Nutrition license and PhD in Psychology

> Group: curingcandida/

> Website: http://www.naturallythriving.com

>

>

>

>

> ----- Original Message ----

> > From: Duncan Crow

> >

> > Debbie, IMO bloating and its associate cramping are caused by a

> > change to the bowel ecology. This amounts to a change in

homeostasis,

> > the body's ability to accept disease in eventual comfort.

> >

> > I see no reason to think this is the Herxheimer-Jarisch reaction,

> > which would not be a gassy one but one of feeling poorly and

> > headachy. It might be die-off though.

> >

> > Back pain may be associated with the kidneys improving; many

people

> > on an anti-aging program report kidney pressure as kidney size

and

> > function inmproves. This follows the literature on anti-aging.

> >

> > Duncan

>

[Guest guest]

Georgia, if you don't react to Immunocal, then you know it's how the

other lower-quality whey was extracted that's causing the issue. The

sensitivities in MCS and candida do improve over time

Duncan

>

> I wish that I could eat the whey, but I have allergies to all forms

of dairy. It inflames all the smooth membranes in my body, starting

with the throat and bronchii. I am using the Inulin and the

selenium, but couldn't tolerate the whey fully. I have found that I

can use up to half a scoop, mixed with rice protein every 4th or 5th

day. I wonder if I will eventually be able to increase the frequency

and if that little is really doing me more harm or is it helping. I

wonder how much of my allergies, not just to dairy, but to other

things is tied up in the candidiasis,etc and might eventually improve

with persistence.

>

> Georgia

>

> > Re: Re: I must put in my new word on whey

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 7/21/2008 7:50:36 PM Central Daylight Time,

> > debbypadilla@... writes:

> >

> > But I can't ignore that some swear by it, and I wonder why it

works for

> > some

> > and not others.

> >

> >

> >

> > I just read something that basically said that " while whey can be

very

> > beneficial and a blessing for some; it can be disastrous for

others who

> > are

> > intolerent. " I think that pretty much somes it up. If you can

take

> > whey, that's

> > great... but some people can't and they need to seek another way

(not

> > whey

> > LOL)

> >

> > It's important to factor in intolerence to foods. I know of

people who

> > were

> > sooo sick and intolerant they ate 2 foods before they regained

their

> > health.

> > You can be intolerant to any foodsAnd of course, all allergies

place a huge stress on the system

> > and

> > inhibit healing.

> >

> >

>

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[Guest guest]

Are you saying that even if a person tested to having a severe

delayed reaction to whey on a food test, which says to eliminate the

item for at least 6 months, that a person should still take Whey?

How can the gut heal if whey is causing reactions?

> >

> > Interesting Duncan. So for people that are getting these

symptoms,

> do you think they should continue on with the whey? How long do

you

> think it would take for their symptoms to abate?

> >

> >

> > Luv,

> > Debby in San , CA

> > 147 pounds lost! 100% of health issues reversed!

> > Currently studying for Nutrition license and PhD in Psychology

> > Group: curingcandida/

> > Website: http://www.naturallythriving.com

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ----- Original Message ----

> > > From: Duncan Crow

> > >

> > > Debbie, IMO bloating and its associate cramping are caused by a

> > > change to the bowel ecology. This amounts to a change in

> homeostasis,

> > > the body's ability to accept disease in eventual comfort.

> > >

> > > I see no reason to think this is the Herxheimer-Jarisch

reaction,

> > > which would not be a gassy one but one of feeling poorly and

> > > headachy. It might be die-off though.

> > >

> > > Back pain may be associated with the kidneys improving; many

> people

> > > on an anti-aging program report kidney pressure as kidney size

> and

> > > function inmproves. This follows the literature on anti-aging.

> > >

> > > Duncan

> >

>

[Guest guest]

That sounds very unreasonable to me, as does the theory that lower

back pain is caused by the kidneys " growing and improving. " Highly

unlikely. Someone on this board also said that all the gas and

cramping from whey and/or inluin is caused by the good bacteria

proliferating. They must proliferate pretty quickly, because I get

gas and cramping within an hour of taking inulin!

Pain is your body talking to you--ignoring it is just irresponsible.

It scares me to think that people are taking some of this advice as

gospel.

> > >

> > > Interesting Duncan. So for people that are getting these

> symptoms,

> > do you think they should continue on with the whey? How long do

> you

> > think it would take for their symptoms to abate?

> > >

> > >

> > > Luv,

> > > Debby in San , CA

> > > 147 pounds lost! 100% of health issues reversed!

> > > Currently studying for Nutrition license and PhD in Psychology

> > > Group: curingcandida/

> > > Website: http://www.naturallythriving.com

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ----- Original Message ----

> > > > From: Duncan Crow

> > > >

> > > > Debbie, IMO bloating and its associate cramping are caused by

a

> > > > change to the bowel ecology. This amounts to a change in

> > homeostasis,

> > > > the body's ability to accept disease in eventual comfort.

> > > >

> > > > I see no reason to think this is the Herxheimer-Jarisch

> reaction,

> > > > which would not be a gassy one but one of feeling poorly and

> > > > headachy. It might be die-off though.

> > > >

> > > > Back pain may be associated with the kidneys improving; many

> > people

> > > > on an anti-aging program report kidney pressure as kidney

size

> > and

> > > > function inmproves. This follows the literature on anti-aging.

> > > >

> > > > Duncan

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Lowerback pain could also be lack of Vitamin D....that is scary if it gets

to that point.

http://pain-topics.org/clinical_concepts/vitamind.php

-- Re: I must put in my new word on whey

That sounds very unreasonable to me, as does the theory that lower

back pain is caused by the kidneys " growing and improving. " Highly

unlikely. Someone on this board also said that all the gas and

cramping from whey and/or inluin is caused by the good bacteria

proliferating. They must proliferate pretty quickly, because I get

gas and cramping within an hour of taking inulin!

Pain is your body talking to you--ignoring it is just irresponsible.

It scares me to think that people are taking some of this advice as

gospel.

> > >

> > > Interesting Duncan. So for people that are getting these

> symptoms,

> > do you think they should continue on with the whey? How long do

> you

> > think it would take for their symptoms to abate?

> > >

> > >

> > > Luv,

> > > Debby in San , CA

> > > 147 pounds lost! 100% of health issues reversed!

> > > Currently studying for Nutrition license and PhD in Psychology

> > > Group: curingcandida/

> > > Website: http://www.naturallythriving.com

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ----- Original Message ----

> > > > From: Duncan Crow

> > > >

> > > > Debbie, IMO bloating and its associate cramping are caused by

a

> > > > change to the bowel ecology. This amounts to a change in

> > homeostasis,

> > > > the body's ability to accept disease in eventual comfort.

> > > >

> > > > I see no reason to think this is the Herxheimer-Jarisch

> reaction,

> > > > which would not be a gassy one but one of feeling poorly and

> > > > headachy. It might be die-off though.

> > > >

> > > > Back pain may be associated with the kidneys improving; many

> > people

> > > > on an anti-aging program report kidney pressure as kidney

size

> > and

> > > > function inmproves. This follows the literature on anti-aging.

> > > >

> > > > Duncan

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

yes, but the work the body ahs to do in dealing with the inflammation

seems to cancel out the benefit from the whey, at least in my case.

greg

> >

> > Interesting Duncan. So for people that are getting these symptoms,

> do you think they should continue on with the whey? How long do you

> think it would take for their symptoms to abate?

> >

> >

> > Luv,

> > Debby in San , CA

> > 147 pounds lost! 100% of health issues reversed!

> > Currently studying for Nutrition license and PhD in Psychology

> > Group: curingcandida/

> > Website: http://www.naturallythriving.com

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ----- Original Message ----

> > > From: Duncan Crow

> > >

> > > Debbie, IMO bloating and its associate cramping are caused by a

> > > change to the bowel ecology. This amounts to a change in

> homeostasis,

> > > the body's ability to accept disease in eventual comfort.

> > >

> > > I see no reason to think this is the Herxheimer-Jarisch reaction,

> > > which would not be a gassy one but one of feeling poorly and

> > > headachy. It might be die-off though.

> > >

> > > Back pain may be associated with the kidneys improving; many

> people

> > > on an anti-aging program report kidney pressure as kidney size

> and

> > > function inmproves. This follows the literature on anti-aging.

> > >

> > > Duncan

> >

>

[Guest guest]

That's what I want to know.

greg

> > >

> > > Interesting Duncan. So for people that are getting these

> symptoms,

> > do you think they should continue on with the whey? How long do

> you

> > think it would take for their symptoms to abate?

> > >

> > >

> > > Luv,

> > > Debby in San , CA

> > > 147 pounds lost! 100% of health issues reversed!

> > > Currently studying for Nutrition license and PhD in Psychology

> > > Group: curingcandida/

> > > Website: http://www.naturallythriving.com

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ----- Original Message ----

> > > > From: Duncan Crow

> > > >

> > > > Debbie, IMO bloating and its associate cramping are caused by a

> > > > change to the bowel ecology. This amounts to a change in

> > homeostasis,

> > > > the body's ability to accept disease in eventual comfort.

> > > >

> > > > I see no reason to think this is the Herxheimer-Jarisch

> reaction,

> > > > which would not be a gassy one but one of feeling poorly and

> > > > headachy. It might be die-off though.

> > > >

> > > > Back pain may be associated with the kidneys improving; many

> > people

> > > > on an anti-aging program report kidney pressure as kidney size

> > and

> > > > function inmproves. This follows the literature on anti-aging.

> > > >

> > > > Duncan

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Well, I don't tell people much when they are not my clients, but I

mention on-list that I see peoples' sensitivities drop when the whey

is continued rather than stopped. I think it's the glutathione levels

rising that does it by reducing the byproducts they might be

sensitive to. Whey also contains factors that curb pathogen growth in

the gut.

I think food tests are overrated.

That said, if your reaction is severe you might have to call the next

shot and changeup your approach, but still use a glutathione

precursor, cystine for example.

Duncan

> >

> > I press my clients to continue with the whey because

sensitivities

> or

> > not it does produce the body's master antioxidant and detoxifier,

> > which can help them like no other supplement. It's also an anti-

> aging

> > tool, as age-related degeneration and low immune response are

also

> > linked to low glutathione levels.

> >

> > Duncan

[Guest guest]

I didn't take the information as gospel either, JB, until I read the

research that states cardiac and renal size and function improves

with the HGH therapy. I posted it; it's linked from this page:

http://tinyurl.com/24wmr7

I'm well aware of the kidney pressure and that drinking more water

aleviates it, so I think its about watering down natural metabolites,

not damage. Amino acids are the building blocks of life, after all.

If you'd direct this kind of question to the doctors on SomaLife

Health Products' Health Advisory Board, I think they'd say the same

thing.

On the inulin, there are several neutral organisms that produce gas

on inulin as well; these are suppressed with acidity created by the

probiotics, so would only be an issue at first, and as we know the

gas subsides over a period of weeks

Duncan

> > > >

> > > > Interesting Duncan. So for people that are getting these

> > symptoms,

> > > do you think they should continue on with the whey? How long

do

> > you

> > > think it would take for their symptoms to abate?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Luv,

> > > > Debby in San , CA

> > > > 147 pounds lost! 100% of health issues reversed!

> > > > Currently studying for Nutrition license and PhD in Psychology

> > > > Group: curingcandida/

> > > > Website: http://www.naturallythriving.com

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ----- Original Message ----

> > > > > From: Duncan Crow

> > > > >

> > > > > Debbie, IMO bloating and its associate cramping are caused

by

> a

> > > > > change to the bowel ecology. This amounts to a change in

> > > homeostasis,

> > > > > the body's ability to accept disease in eventual comfort.

> > > > >

> > > > > I see no reason to think this is the Herxheimer-Jarisch

> > reaction,

> > > > > which would not be a gassy one but one of feeling poorly

and

> > > > > headachy. It might be die-off though.

> > > > >

> > > > > Back pain may be associated with the kidneys improving;

many

> > > people

> > > > > on an anti-aging program report kidney pressure as kidney

> size

> > > and

> > > > > function inmproves. This follows the literature on anti-

aging.

> > > > >

> > > > > Duncan

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Good point on the vitamin D deficiency; I'd like to add that

if someone is trying to get well and at the same time maintaining a

deficiency in any vitamin or mineral, it'll be a long road.

Duncan

>

> Lowerback pain could also be lack of Vitamin D....that is scary if

it gets

> to that point.

>

> http://pain-topics.org/clinical_concepts/vitamind.php

>

>

>

> -------Original Message-------

[Guest guest]

My take on inflammation is:

Inflammation involves the immune system, and glutathione forms the

very seat of immune response according to research.

Glutathione also materially reduces most of the inflammation-causing

toxins.

Inflammation is highly exacerbated when a person has an imbalance of

omega-3:omega-6 oils. This in many people is made worse by using

plant oils, even flax oil for example, because the pathway that

changes the linolenic acid into tiny amounts of a useful omega-3 is

impaired by the omega-6 even in this favoured oil. Most other oils

don't even contain linolenic acid, and what you need is EPA and DHA

in any case. Read Dr. Floyd Chilton's " Inflammation Nation " for more.

Inflammation is increased a lot in the elderly by falling plasmin

(enzyme) levels, which allows blood coagulation, clots, strokes, as

well as inflammation. BlockBuster All Clear, a metabolic enzyme mix,

is the remedy for the naturally falling plasmin levels.

All good, Duncan's got it together and it works!

Duncan

> > >

> > > Interesting Duncan. So for people that are getting these

symptoms,

> > do you think they should continue on with the whey? How long do

you

> > think it would take for their symptoms to abate?

> > >

> > >

> > > Luv,

> > > Debby in San , CA

> > > 147 pounds lost! 100% of health issues reversed!

> > > Currently studying for Nutrition license and PhD in Psychology

> > > Group: curingcandida/

> > > Website: http://www.naturallythriving.com

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ----- Original Message ----

> > > > From: Duncan Crow

> > > >

> > > > Debbie, IMO bloating and its associate cramping are caused by

a

> > > > change to the bowel ecology. This amounts to a change in

> > homeostasis,

> > > > the body's ability to accept disease in eventual comfort.

> > > >

> > > > I see no reason to think this is the Herxheimer-Jarisch

reaction,

> > > > which would not be a gassy one but one of feeling poorly and

> > > > headachy. It might be die-off though.

> > > >

> > > > Back pain may be associated with the kidneys improving; many

> > people

> > > > on an anti-aging program report kidney pressure as kidney

size

> > and

> > > > function inmproves. This follows the literature on anti-aging.

> > > >

> > > > Duncan

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

As per Ayurveda, major risks in order of preference are,

1. Gas, which can compress various internal organs, & can even fake a

cardiac arrest.

Many patients get backache with excess gas compressing internal organs,

spine or even causing

slight displacement of spine, when we bend sharply, like picking up an

object from floor. Entrapped gas get compressed & strain organs.

When acute, people take anti-protozoa medicines to control

fermentation. Then candida flourish. It is a viscious circle.

2. Bile need balance, not more not less.

3. Mucous/phlegm, in balance.

May be it is Wiser not to get into gas trouble at all.

===============================

JB wrote:

> That sounds very unreasonable to me, as does the theory that lower

> back pain is caused by the kidneys " growing and improving. " Highly

> unlikely. Someone on this board also said that all the gas and

> cramping from whey and/or inluin is caused by the good bacteria

> proliferating. They must proliferate pretty quickly, because I get

> gas and cramping within an hour of taking inulin!

>

> Pain is your body talking to you--ignoring it is just irresponsible.

> It scares me to think that people are taking some of this advice as

> gospel.

[Guest guest]

I don't take this all as gospel personally. I am already cured from my candida

(or in remission) so whey is not something I need to use. I was just curious

and I think it's good to discuss things and get different points of views.

Luv,

Debby in San , CA

147 pounds lost! 100% of health issues reversed!

Currently studying for Nutrition license and PhD in Psychology

Group: curingcandida/

Website: http://www.naturallythriving.com

----- Original Message ----

> From: JB

>

> That sounds very unreasonable to me, as does the theory that lower

> back pain is caused by the kidneys " growing and improving. " Highly

> unlikely. Someone on this board also said that all the gas and

> cramping from whey and/or inluin is caused by the good bacteria

> proliferating. They must proliferate pretty quickly, because I get

> gas and cramping within an hour of taking inulin!

>

> Pain is your body talking to you--ignoring it is just irresponsible.

> It scares me to think that people are taking some of this advice as

> gospel.