Re: I must put in my new word on whey

[Guest guest]

I'm sad to say I'm about to give up on it too. I've tried three times

to do whey and inulin and get such bad stomach cramps and gas that I

have to stop after a week or two. Would be nice if there was another

way to get glutathione, but my body is clearly telling me not to do

this.

>

> First, I want to clarify, I am not making an attack of any sort. I

> very much like Duncan. I think what he is doing is a great service

> and is completely sincere. I am also sure that whey is super

> beneficial for most people. The evidence surely is undeniable. But

> it is now also undeniable to me that some people cannot tolerate

whey

> and this should be of consideration. I know this because I finally

> did what I should have done a long time ago.

>

> I have known for a good while that I do not tolerate casein well, as

> it gives me sinus problems just a few hours after ingestion and

> sometimes is followed by back pain the following day. That is a

clear

> reaction. But I have been taking whey so long and so regularly, I

had

> built up a tolerance. I got a LEAP food allergy test done and went

on

> the supremely restricted diet plan recommended by the advisor. Even

> though whey was not nearly as high as many of the other foods, which

> makes me question the test's validity, it was high enough to be

> eliminated on the first few weeks of the diet.

>

> I wanted to add it back in as soon as possible because of all the

> reported benefits, and honestly, the cost efficiency of it being a

> meal or snack replacement. So I took a good 60 grams in one day.

The

> next 2 days, I had deep severe pain in my back all day. I obviously

> do not digest the stuff well. Since I have quit it, I have had a

> decrease in my inflammation, not a complete cessation, but a

definite

> noticeable decrease.

>

> So I just want to say that if you can tolerate it, be grateful

because

> it is a wonderful source of nutrition, but if your body is reacting

> poorly to it, don't keep taking it for years like I did.

>

> greg

>

[Guest guest]

I'm curious, do you get the same reactions if you take anti-fungals? It's

possible it's a herx reaction.

Luv,

Debby in San , CA

147 pounds lost! 100% of health issues reversed!

Currently studying for Nutrition license and PhD in Psychology

Group: curingcandida/

Website: http://www.naturallythriving.com

----- Original Message ----

> From: JB

>

> I'm sad to say I'm about to give up on it too. I've tried three times

> to do whey and inulin and get such bad stomach cramps and gas that I

> have to stop after a week or two. Would be nice if there was another

> way to get glutathione, but my body is clearly telling me not to do

> this.

[Guest guest]

Hi:

There is another way to get Glutathione every day. I think this Whey being

derived from MILK is a problem for a lot of us. But you can buy Hemp Seed

powder to use in making Shakes or whatever (maybe using Coconut Milk as a

LIQUID BASE) and it has most of the same components. There is also this

SALBA now that is the same sort of thing.

Both have lots of Glutathione.

Bonnie

_____

From: candidiasis [mailto:candidiasis ] On

Behalf Of JB

Sent: July 17, 2008 9:22 PM

candidiasis

Subject: Re: I must put in my new word on whey

I'm sad to say I'm about to give up on it too. I've tried three times

to do whey and inulin and get such bad stomach cramps and gas that I

have to stop after a week or two. Would be nice if there was another

way to get glutathione, but my body is clearly telling me not to do

this.

>

> First, I want to clarify, I am not making an attack of any sort. I

> very much like Duncan. I think what he is doing is a great service

> and is completely sincere. I am also sure that whey is super

> beneficial for most people. The evidence surely is undeniable. But

> it is now also undeniable to me that some people cannot tolerate

whey

> and this should be of consideration. I know this because I finally

> did what I should have done a long time ago.

>

> I have known for a good while that I do not tolerate casein well, as

> it gives me sinus problems just a few hours after ingestion and

> sometimes is followed by back pain the following day. That is a

clear

> reaction. But I have been taking whey so long and so regularly, I

had

> built up a tolerance. I got a LEAP food allergy test done and went

on

> the supremely restricted diet plan recommended by the advisor. Even

> though whey was not nearly as high as many of the other foods, which

> makes me question the test's validity, it was high enough to be

> eliminated on the first few weeks of the diet.

>

> I wanted to add it back in as soon as possible because of all the

> reported benefits, and honestly, the cost efficiency of it being a

> meal or snack replacement. So I took a good 60 grams in one day.

The

> next 2 days, I had deep severe pain in my back all day. I obviously

> do not digest the stuff well. Since I have quit it, I have had a

> decrease in my inflammation, not a complete cessation, but a

definite

> noticeable decrease.

>

> So I just want to say that if you can tolerate it, be grateful

because

> it is a wonderful source of nutrition, but if your body is reacting

> poorly to it, don't keep taking it for years like I did.

>

> greg

>

[Guest guest]

I have found I can do the whey, but not inulin.

sol

JB wrote:

> I'm sad to say I'm about to give up on it too. I've tried three times

> to do whey and inulin and get such bad stomach cramps and gas that I

> have to stop after a week or two. Would be nice if there was another

> way to get glutathione, but my body is clearly telling me not to do

> this.

>

>

[Guest guest]

> >

> > First, I want to clarify, I am not making an attack of any sort. I

> > very much like Duncan. I think what he is doing is a great service

> > and is completely sincere. I am also sure that whey is super

> > beneficial for most people. The evidence surely is undeniable. But

> > it is now also undeniable to me that some people cannot tolerate

> whey

> > and this should be of consideration. I know this because I finally

> > did what I should have done a long time ago.

> >

> > I have known for a good while that I do not tolerate casein well,

as

> > it gives me sinus problems just a few hours after ingestion and

> > sometimes is followed by back pain the following day. That is a

> clear

> > reaction. But I have been taking whey so long and so regularly, I

> had

> > built up a tolerance. I got a LEAP food allergy test done and

went

> on

> > the supremely restricted diet plan recommended by the advisor.

Even

> > though whey was not nearly as high as many of the other foods,

which

> > makes me question the test's validity, it was high enough to be

> > eliminated on the first few weeks of the diet.

> >

> > I wanted to add it back in as soon as possible because of all the

> > reported benefits, and honestly, the cost efficiency of it being a

> > meal or snack replacement. So I took a good 60 grams in one day.

> The

> > next 2 days, I had deep severe pain in my back all day. I

obviously

> > do not digest the stuff well. Since I have quit it, I have had a

> > decrease in my inflammation, not a complete cessation, but a

> definite

> > noticeable decrease.

> >

> > So I just want to say that if you can tolerate it, be grateful

> because

> > it is a wonderful source of nutrition, but if your body is

reacting

> > poorly to it, don't keep taking it for years like I did.

> >

> > greg

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

medmidas,

What exactly is your comment supposed to mean? Do you understand that

virtually all people on this planet are deficient in glutathione? To

increase glutathione you need to give the body a precursor to produce

it. It won't come out of thin air! Everything is marketed, whether

drugs, food, supplements. Doesn't matter. Nothing is free but air and

water and even those should be filtered, requiring of course, a marketer!

Sharon Hoehner

www.sharethecause.com/detoxqueen

> > I'm sad to say I'm about to give up on it too. I've tried three times

> > to do whey and inulin and get such bad stomach cramps and gas that I

> > have to stop after a week or two. Would be nice if there was another

> > way to get glutathione, but my body is clearly telling me not to do

> > this.

>

[Guest guest]

No, not at all. I was taking nystatin for 3 months, nizoral for three

weeks, yeast-cleanse--none of them upset my stomach. I had none of

the die-off reactions people talk about here either. But as soon as I

take whey poweder or inulin, I get theupset stomach. The INternet

searches I've done all mention upset stomach as a potentia side

effect of both whey and inulin. ly I don't even believe my

problem is (or was)yeast anymore!

>

>

> I'm curious, do you get the same reactions if you take anti-

fungals? It's possible it's a herx reaction.

>

> Luv,

> Debby in San , CA

> 147 pounds lost! 100% of health issues reversed!

> Currently studying for Nutrition license and PhD in Psychology

> Group: curingcandida/

> Website: http://www.naturallythriving.com

>

>

>

>

>

> ----- Original Message ----

> > From: JB

> >

> > I'm sad to say I'm about to give up on it too. I've tried three

times

> > to do whey and inulin and get such bad stomach cramps and gas

that I

> > have to stop after a week or two. Would be nice if there was

another

> > way to get glutathione, but my body is clearly telling me not to

do

> > this.

>

[Guest guest]

Dearest JB,

Thanks for sharing this information. Duncan, I wonder do you feel that there

are some people who won't do as well on whey period? How do you distinguish

between those who are taking whey and having detox/herx reactions from those who

whey just isn't appropriate for? Also, I know you feel that whey is the best

for glutathione, but if you do believe that some just don't tolerate whey at

all, what would you recommend as an alternative in those cases (even if it is a

second-best choice)?

Luv,

Debby in San , CA

147 pounds lost! 100% of health issues reversed!

Currently studying for Nutrition license and PhD in Psychology

Group: curingcandida/

Website: http://www.naturallythriving.com

----- Original Message ----

> From: JB

>

> No, not at all. I was taking nystatin for 3 months, nizoral for three

> weeks, yeast-cleanse--none of them upset my stomach. I had none of

> the die-off reactions people talk about here either. But as soon as I

> take whey poweder or inulin, I get theupset stomach. The INternet

> searches I've done all mention upset stomach as a potentia side

> effect of both whey and inulin. ly I don't even believe my

> problem is (or was)yeast anymore!

>

>

>

> >

> >

> > I'm curious, do you get the same reactions if you take anti-

> fungals? It's possible it's a herx reaction.

> >

> > Luv,

> > Debby in San , CA

> > 147 pounds lost! 100% of health issues reversed!

> > Currently studying for Nutrition license and PhD in Psychology

> > Group: curingcandida/

> > Website: http://www.naturallythriving.com

[Guest guest]

I think it is rather RIDICULOUS to blame everything on candida. Everyone

cannot take whey OR inulin. Some may see results and others none. That is the

nature of this whole environmental illness thing. We each have to find our

own way.

Bill

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[Guest guest]

I have been taking inulin for a long time now.  I bought it from Duncan back

when he had an excellent deal on loose powder long chain inulin. 

It will give you gas for a few days then it stops.  Searching on the net, I

could only find reference of  " Inulin side effects have rarely been reported,

perhaps very high amounts could cause some gastrointestinal symptoms.  "

It has been said that humans pass gas on average about 14 times a day.  Inulin

just gives it a more joyful noise lol.  Inulin, in a different form, is added to

a lot of prepared food now. 

On whey powder:  I have also been using that for a long time.  If I stop for a

while, I notice a physical difference in a week or so.  I am better with the

whey than without it.  One difference I did note though.  On the NOW whey

product, it mixes differently and I seem to need to take enzymes when I use that

brand.  I'm not certain why that is.  But, just because of how it mixes, I think

I will change back to a different brand next time. 

I used to be very lactose intolerant but over time, I seem to have overcome

that..  I can use milk in cereal or soups without any ill effects. 

I think we blame too many things on candida and forget the rest of the world out

there.   Go through life using the wide angle lenses, not the tiny telescopic

lens that only shows one view..  I think you will be the better for it.

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[Guest guest]

No, I have only gotten these reactions to dairy products. This

blaming everything on the Herx is dangerous territory. In fact, the

majority of the posts I read on these alternative health groups

make no sense whatsoever. God how, I wish there would be rational

scientific exploration outside of pharmaceuticals. It seems like I

can't trust a dammed person on this earth to help with health, not for

lack of their trying though.

greg

>

>

> I'm curious, do you get the same reactions if you take anti-fungals?

It's possible it's a herx reaction.

>

> Luv,

> Debby in San , CA

> 147 pounds lost! 100% of health issues reversed!

> Currently studying for Nutrition license and PhD in Psychology

> Group: curingcandida/

> Website: http://www.naturallythriving.com

>

>

>

>

>

> ----- Original Message ----

> > From: JB

> >

> > I'm sad to say I'm about to give up on it too. I've tried three times

> > to do whey and inulin and get such bad stomach cramps and gas that I

> > have to stop after a week or two. Would be nice if there was another

> > way to get glutathione, but my body is clearly telling me not to do

> > this.

>

[Guest guest]

Greg, have you had allergy test?

_____

From: candidiasis [mailto:candidiasis ] On

Behalf Of dreaminginnoother

Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 7:00 PM

candidiasis

Subject: Re: I must put in my new word on whey

No, I have only gotten these reactions to dairy products. This

blaming everything on the Herx is dangerous territory. In fact, the

majority of the posts I read on these alternative health groups

make no sense whatsoever. God how, I wish there would be rational

scientific exploration outside of pharmaceuticals. It seems like I

can't trust a dammed person on this earth to help with health, not for

lack of their trying though.

greg

>

>

> I'm curious, do you get the same reactions if you take anti-fungals?

It's possible it's a herx reaction.

>

> Luv,

> Debby in San , CA

> 147 pounds lost! 100% of health issues reversed!

> Currently studying for Nutrition license and PhD in Psychology

> Group: http://health.

<curingcandida/>

/group/curingcandida/

> Website: http://www.naturall <http://www.naturallythriving.com>

ythriving.com

>

>

>

>

>

> ----- Original Message ----

> > From: JB

> >

> > I'm sad to say I'm about to give up on it too. I've tried three times

> > to do whey and inulin and get such bad stomach cramps and gas that I

> > have to stop after a week or two. Would be nice if there was another

> > way to get glutathione, but my body is clearly telling me not to do

> > this.

>

[Guest guest]

Bonnie, oral glutathione from hemp avocados etc does not increase

cellular glutathione; that's why we use concentrated precursors.

Duncan

>

> Hi:

>

>

>

> There is another way to get Glutathione every day. I think this

Whey being

> derived from MILK is a problem for a lot of us. But you can buy

Hemp Seed

> powder to use in making Shakes or whatever (maybe using Coconut

Milk as a

> LIQUID BASE) and it has most of the same components. There is also

this

> SALBA now that is the same sort of thing.

>

>

>

> Both have lots of Glutathione.

>

[Guest guest]

Medmidas: " Breakthrough in Cell Defense " by Dr. Gustavo Bounous

details his research on glutathione. Other research amounts to some

30,000 documents on Medline. Many of them are referenced in my

glutathione references page. An attempt to marginalise all these

research papers would make one potentially detrimental to his/her

friends' health. See:

http://members.shaw.ca/duncancrow/glutathione-references.html

Duncan

> > I'm sad to say I'm about to give up on it too. I've tried three

times

> > to do whey and inulin and get such bad stomach cramps and gas that

I

> > have to stop after a week or two. Would be nice if there was

another

> > way to get glutathione, but my body is clearly telling me not to

do

> > this.

>

[Guest guest]

Sharon, an early Internet term for this kind of submittor is

Troll -- this is one who deliberately undermines any good that

communication can bring.

Duncan

[Guest guest]

Debby,

Immunocal is only second best because it's about 8 times more costly

than our common alternatives we discuss on-list In Canada it's called

HMS-90, which I was told by a distributor is an acronym for Humanized

Milk Serum 90% protein. Immunocal is well-tolerated and one can find

out by using it if it's a detox or a whey reaction that's causing

issues

This is where wheys vary.

Duncan

> > >

> > >

> > > I'm curious, do you get the same reactions if you take anti-

> > fungals? It's possible it's a herx reaction.

> > >

> > > Luv,

> > > Debby in San , CA

> > > 147 pounds lost! 100% of health issues reversed!

> > > Currently studying for Nutrition license and PhD in Psychology

> > > Group: curingcandida/

> > > Website: http://www.naturallythriving.com

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Diane. Maybe I should start buying long-chain inulin and

sending it out in bulk again.

By the way, your experience matches most, and the research too. I

think the excessive gas some people report after using native inulin

is probably from the natural sugar and FOS that has not been removed.

Similarly, I've been saying since 2001 when I sold Immunocal that all

the wheys vary by extraction process and some are better tolerated

than others. I think it's a good test doing what you did and trying

it for awhile, then withholding it to see if you feel worse again.

After all, whey contains components that curb pathogen adhesion,

which is what we're looking for.

I do hope we can continue discussing our cures in a relatively troll-

free zone!

Duncan

>

> I have been taking inulin for a long time now.  I bought it from

Duncan back when he had an excellent deal on loose powder long chain

inulin. 

> It will give you gas for a few days then it stops.  Searching on

the net, I could only find reference of  " Inulin side effects have

rarely been reported, perhaps very high amounts could cause some

gastrointestinal symptoms.  "

> It has been said that humans pass gas on average about 14 times a

day.  Inulin just gives it a more joyful noise lol.  Inulin, in a

different form, is added to a lot of prepared food now. 

> On whey powder:  I have also been using that for a long time.  If I

stop for a while, I notice a physical difference in a week or so.  I

am better with the whey than without it.  One difference I did note

though.  On the NOW whey product, it mixes differently and I seem to

need to take enzymes when I use that brand.  I'm not certain why that

is.  But, just because of how it mixes, I think I will change back to

a different brand next time. 

> I used to be very lactose intolerant but over time, I seem to have

overcome that..  I can use milk in cereal or soups without any ill

effects. 

> I think we blame too many things on candida and forget the rest of

the world out there.   Go through life using the wide angle lenses,

not the tiny telescopic lens that only shows one view..  I think you

will be the better for it.

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Diane Trudeau wrote:

> I have been taking inulin for a long time now.

> It will give you gas for a few days then it stops.

Diane,

That just didn't happen for me. It wasn't just a " few days " , and it

didn't stop.

sol

[Guest guest]

I have serious questions about " herx " responses and " die off " reactions

too. Far too many cases of what sound to me like simple allergic or

other adverse reactions are ascribed to " herxing " . And if you google

herx reactions, there has never been any real proof that they occur

except in the case of syphilis, which is what the Jarisch/Herxheimer

reaction applies to. Then I think people just assumed herxes can happen

with any bacterial die off. Now everything is a " herx " . I'm very skeptical.

sol

dreaminginnoother wrote:

> No, I have only gotten these reactions to dairy products. This

> blaming everything on the Herx is dangerous territory. In fact, the

> majority of the posts I read on these alternative health groups

> make no sense whatsoever. God how, I wish there would be rational

> scientific exploration outside of pharmaceuticals. It seems like I

> can't trust a dammed person on this earth to help with health, not for

> lack of their trying though.

>

>

[Guest guest]

I bought the NOW inulin recommended on your site and had gas and

cramping even after two weeks. Stopped for a while and tried again

using much smaller amounts....no improvement.

> >

> > I have been taking inulin for a long time now.  I bought it from

> Duncan back when he had an excellent deal on loose powder long

chain

> inulin. 

> > It will give you gas for a few days then it stops.  Searching on

> the net, I could only find reference of  " Inulin side effects have

> rarely been reported, perhaps very high amounts could cause some

> gastrointestinal symptoms.  "

> > It has been said that humans pass gas on average about 14 times a

> day.  Inulin just gives it a more joyful noise lol.  Inulin, in a

> different form, is added to a lot of prepared food now. 

> > On whey powder:  I have also been using that for a long time.  If

I

> stop for a while, I notice a physical difference in a week or so. 

I

> am better with the whey than without it.  One difference I did note

> though.  On the NOW whey product, it mixes differently and I seem

to

> need to take enzymes when I use that brand.  I'm not certain why

that

> is.  But, just because of how it mixes, I think I will change back

to

> a different brand next time. 

> > I used to be very lactose intolerant but over time, I seem to

have

> overcome that..  I can use milk in cereal or soups without any ill

> effects. 

> > I think we blame too many things on candida and forget the rest

of

> the world out there.   Go through life using the wide angle lenses,

> not the tiny telescopic lens that only shows one view..  I think

you

> will be the better for it.

> >

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

<<Immunocal is only second best because it's about 8 times more costly

than our common alternatives we discuss on-list>>

I am sorry, but I am new to the list. What is the " common alternative " that

you discussed on the list? I would love to know .

Thanks.

Sibylle Faye

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From: candidiasis [mailto:candidiasis ] On

Behalf Of Duncan Crow

Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 10:56 PM

candidiasis

Subject: Re: I must put in my new word on whey

Debby,

Immunocal is only second best because it's about 8 times more costly

than our common alternatives we discuss on-list In Canada it's called

HMS-90, which I was told by a distributor is an acronym for Humanized

Milk Serum 90% protein. Immunocal is well-tolerated and one can find

out by using it if it's a detox or a whey reaction that's causing

issues

This is where wheys vary.

Duncan

> > >

> > >

> > > I'm curious, do you get the same reactions if you take anti-

> > fungals? It's possible it's a herx reaction.

> > >

> > > Luv,

> > > Debby in San , CA

> > > 147 pounds lost! 100% of health issues reversed!

> > > Currently studying for Nutrition license and PhD in Psychology

> > > Group: http://health.

<curingcandida/>

/group/curingcandida/

> > > Website: http://www.naturall <http://www.naturallythriving.com>

ythriving.com

>

[Guest guest]

Sorry Duncan, when I saw Glutamic Acid in the Hemp & Salba formulas, I

thought that would increase Glutathione. NO?

Bonnie

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From: candidiasis [mailto:candidiasis ] On

Behalf Of Duncan Crow

Sent: July 20, 2008 10:34 PM

candidiasis

Subject: Re: I must put in my new word on whey

Bonnie, oral glutathione from hemp avocados etc does not increase

cellular glutathione; that's why we use concentrated precursors.

Duncan

>

> Hi:

>

>

>

> There is another way to get Glutathione every day. I think this

Whey being

> derived from MILK is a problem for a lot of us. But you can buy

Hemp Seed

> powder to use in making Shakes or whatever (maybe using Coconut

Milk as a

> LIQUID BASE) and it has most of the same components. There is also

this

> SALBA now that is the same sort of thing.

>

>

>

> Both have lots of Glutathione.

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, that was in my original post about whey. I had a LEAP test done.

I had they whey only in the yellow zone which makes me skeptical of

the test too, because my reaction was pretty severe.

greg

>

> Greg, have you had allergy test?

>

>

[Guest guest]

What benefits can be obtained from using just the whey and selenium

without the inulin? Since I can't seem to find an amount of inulin

(vitaminshoppe brand) small enough not to cause me gut problems, is the

whey alone doing me any good other than as protein?

I hope the NOW brand whey is still considered acceptable, I just

received 5 lbs of it.

sol

JB wrote:

> I bought the NOW inulin recommended on your site and had gas and

> cramping even after two weeks. Stopped for a while and tried again

> using much smaller amounts....no improvement.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Greg,

Personally I do not believe everything is die-off or herx either for sure. I

don't even know how you really would tell them apart. I was able to tell for

myself only because my symptoms for herx/die-off and my symptoms for food

intolerances are vastly different. So I can tell when a food just doesn't work

for me, and when I'm getting die-off.

As you know I don't recommend whey on my program simply because the results seem

to be inconsistent. I prefer sticking with tried-n-true methods, and I'm also

an evolutionary nutritionist, so dairy doesn't fit in that scheme any way. But

I can't ignore that some swear by it, and I wonder why it works for some and not

others.

Is is just the dairy, or are some people getting die-off/herx and then assuming

it is a food intolerance? Can people usually tell the difference between the

two? Greg I'm not saying this is the case for you or anything like that, I'm

just asking questions because I'm curious about this.

Luv,

Debby in San , CA

147 pounds lost! 100% of health issues reversed!

Currently studying for Nutrition license and PhD in Psychology

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----- Original Message ----

> From: dreaminginnoother

>

> No, I have only gotten these reactions to dairy products. This

> blaming everything on the Herx is dangerous territory. In fact, the

> majority of the posts I read on these alternative health groups

> make no sense whatsoever. God how, I wish there would be rational

> scientific exploration outside of pharmaceuticals. It seems like I

> can't trust a dammed person on this earth to help with health, not for

> lack of their trying though.

>

> greg

>

>

> >

> >

> > I'm curious, do you get the same reactions if you take anti-fungals?

> It's possible it's a herx reaction.