Guest guest Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 The way I keep it from bubbling up is to use Dunkers, which are basically a weight in the jar. I make some for sale, but you can use any piece of ceramic (commercially they use plastic, which works too) that fits the jar. As for kefir and viili ... keep your ferments apart, or they can contaminate one another. This is what happened to my kefir, and now it is kefiili. I wrote about that in www.eatingoffthefoodgrid.com. There are also some hints on fermenting etc. Happy experimenting! On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 3:52 AM, havfaith56 <havfaith@...> wrote: > > Kathleen, > > I ordered a Viili yogurt start and Water Kefir grains one week before Christmas. I found them by accident while researching natural salts. I received the ordered the day after Christmas. Since then, my kitchen has exploded. I have made sourdough bread (not the greatest still working on this), soft cheeses from 3 different yogurt starts (now have 6 starts), cultured butter, wheat grass (still afraid of that some), sprouting some beans and more and more. Family rolls their eyes and then is standing in line for more. I make Viile yogurt for my mom. She uses it as an excused to come over and watch a movie and get a good meal. Many who I have given a start to, can't seem to make the traditions yogurts regularly themselves. Fear. I must say I had a lot of that myself. Still do. Like my kraut bubles up against the metal lid, what should I do about that? Just keep removing some? > > I am making Kraut now. I is full of bubbles and is a beautiful purple color. It is that some courage, but I will eat it. Then I will make more. I am still over coming the lies we have all been taught. I amazes me how easy. I am going to put in a garden this summer. Learning to dry food. > > I have one friend really helping me with this. We have health problems and the more of the crazy food chemistry I do, the better I feel. Thank God for this. Reading Nourishing Traditions. > Anything else I should try? > > Shari > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 I would love to try the asparagus, radish and carrot kraut. Did you cut up everything small? I will use Daikon radish. Here is a recipe for your milk kefir: Steam cauliflower and puree in the blender with a little butter and buttermilk (but I think the kefir will be fine). Not much kefir because the cauliflower is watery. Oh, and Celtic sea salt. I love this dish! Your co-worker with the chrons should eat a lot of kraut. Too bad about the chrons. I had gout too (before my fermenting days). A long and expensive health overhaul with my holistic doc and the gout seems to be gone. I can eat salmon and beef. I eat only naturally raised beef. I think the quality of the meat is essential. I too had IBS. It's gone too, thanks to my doc. It was the detox-friendly diet that got me started on a wonderful way of eating. It was my finding Body Ecology that led me to probiotic foods, then the purchase of Nourishing Traditions got me into KT and cream ferments. I'm so glad I found this group. It's making it all more fun connecting with like-minds. BonAppetit Kathleen ________________________________ From: patti <patti720@...> nutrition Sent: Tue, March 30, 2010 8:44:08 AM Subject: Re: Re: I thought I put a post about Kimchi.... Only thing that I did slip some milk kefir in was some mashed potatoes, they didn't even realize it! So I will keep doing that for the time that they will be with me... 2 months!!! Then my babies will be moving out! They have tried the kefir water but say it has too much of an alcohol taste... I say huh?? what alcohol taste?? tastes fruity to me! lol I have tried to share at work LOL they all think I am a KOOK! It's all good though... I know I am sane & just trying to be healthier. One of my co-workers just found out she has crohns...I keep telling her KEFIRKEFIRKEFIR! lol One day she will try it & say I dont know WHY I didn't listen to you sooner!!! Since I have been drinking kefir my IBS has been better.. since I started brewing kombucha my arthirtis/gout has been so much better! I have more energy & have been feeling great! I have tried to make my own kraut but I don't think it tasted right... I only used salt...so I may try it with a little vinegar see how that goes. I did ferment some asparagus, carrots & radish OMG it is sooo good! I would love to try viili... need to find a culture though. I hope you can open a cafe that would be wonderful!! wish I lived in cali I would love to be a customer! lol Patti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 , does the Dunker fit inside a 2-Qt Mason jar? " Do just once what others say you can't do, and you will never pay attention to their limitations again. " R. Cook ________________________________ From: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 Yes, although maybe a bigger one would be better. I don't have a 2-qt to test. I have some made for gallon jars though, that also work on half-gallon kimchi jars. I don't have them listed though. I should take some pictures and do that. On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 10:38 AM, Kathleen <kathleencsa@...> wrote: > , does the Dunker fit inside a 2-Qt Mason jar? > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 , are the gal jars the Anchor Hocking jars? I have some made for gallon jars though, that also work on half-gallon kimchi jars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 I put them in a 2 qt jar...cut the ends off so that they were about 3 -4 " below the top of the jar,then filled it with carrots cut about 4 " & thin...the radishes, peppercorn, garlic & topped it with seasalt water. What happened was..I was at the grocery store & was going to buy some pickled asparagus & thought heck NO! I bought some fresh & doctored it up! I just had bought the book wild fermentation & had been reading it. MMMM now that sounds good!! I am going to give that a try!! Thanks!! Patti ________________________________ From: Kathleen <kathleencsa@...> nutrition Sent: Tue, March 30, 2010 1:01:24 PM Subject: Re: Re: I thought I put a post about Kimchi.... I would love to try the asparagus, radish and carrot kraut. Did you cut up everything small? I will use Daikon radish. Here is a recipe for your milk kefir: Steam cauliflower and puree in the blender with a little butter and buttermilk (but I think the kefir will be fine). Not much kefir because the cauliflower is watery. Oh, and Celtic sea salt. I love this dish! Your co-worker with the chrons should eat a lot of kraut. Too bad about the chrons. I had gout too (before my fermenting days). A long and expensive health overhaul with my holistic doc and the gout seems to be gone. I can eat salmon and beef. I eat only naturally raised beef. I think the quality of the meat is essential. I too had IBS. It's gone too, thanks to my doc. It was the detox-friendly diet that got me started on a wonderful way of eating. It was my finding Body Ecology that led me to probiotic foods, then the purchase of Nourishing Traditions got me into KT and cream ferments. I'm so glad I found this group. It's making it all more fun connecting with like-minds. BonAppetit Kathleen ____________ _________ _________ __ From: patti <patti720 (DOT) com> nutrition @groups. com Sent: Tue, March 30, 2010 8:44:08 AM Subject: Re: Re: I thought I put a post about Kimchi.... Only thing that I did slip some milk kefir in was some mashed potatoes, they didn't even realize it! So I will keep doing that for the time that they will be with me... 2 months!!! Then my babies will be moving out! They have tried the kefir water but say it has too much of an alcohol taste... I say huh?? what alcohol taste?? tastes fruity to me! lol I have tried to share at work LOL they all think I am a KOOK! It's all good though... I know I am sane & just trying to be healthier. One of my co-workers just found out she has crohns...I keep telling her KEFIRKEFIRKEFIR! lol One day she will try it & say I dont know WHY I didn't listen to you sooner!!! Since I have been drinking kefir my IBS has been better.. since I started brewing kombucha my arthirtis/gout has been so much better! I have more energy & have been feeling great! I have tried to make my own kraut but I don't think it tasted right... I only used salt...so I may try it with a little vinegar see how that goes. I did ferment some asparagus, carrots & radish OMG it is sooo good! I would love to try viili... need to find a culture though. I hope you can open a cafe that would be wonderful!! wish I lived in cali I would love to be a customer! lol Patti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 I also want to try Kimchi, viili & oh heck I have so many things I want to try! muahhhahahahaha (mad scientist laugh)lol Patti ________________________________ From: Kathleen <kathleencsa@...> nutrition Sent: Tue, March 30, 2010 5:58:46 PM Subject: Re: Re: I thought I put a post about Kimchi.... , are the gal jars the Anchor Hocking jars? I have some made for gallon jars though, that also work on half-gallon kimchi jars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 Muahhhhahahahahha - now your friends and family are going to RUN, lol. I, too, want to try everything. I'm still trying to make the water kefir soda drinks taste good. If I want to make a mango kefir drink and I don't have a juicer would puree'ing the mango in the blender work OK? Hey, I just thought of something. You know how the recipes, except for coconut kefir, call for crushed egg shell? Well what if we use one of the BioPlasma cell salts pellets? But, I wonder what would happen to the milk base in which these are based in. Anyone have any idea? Kathleen ________________________________ From: patti <patti720@...> nutrition Sent: Tue, March 30, 2010 3:08:13 PM Subject: Re: Re: I thought I put a post about Kimchi.... I also want to try Kimchi, viili & oh heck I have so many things I want to try! muahhhahahahaha (mad scientist laugh)lol Patti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 I seem to have done something wrong because my " kimchi " isn't bubbling, its just sitting there. I know nothing was sterile so what did I likely do wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 They look like this: http://www.specialtybottle.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD & ProdID=237 and this: http://www.specialtybottle.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD & ProdID=236 They are really heavy duty and I like them. I think the 2 qt " mason " jars in the stores are more or less like a quart jar? At least they look like it. http://www.amazon.com/Jarden-Brands-68100-Mouth-Canning/dp/B0000BYE26 They just say " wide mouth " which I'm guessing means they are the same as the 1qt.? On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 2:58 PM, Kathleen <kathleencsa@...> wrote: > , are the gal jars the Anchor Hocking jars? > > > > I have some made for gallon jars though, that also work > on half-gallon kimchi jars. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 Kimchi doesn't always bubble. If it doesn't smell sour after 2 days, the usual cause is too much salt. On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 7:45 PM, Jon <jonkatzmail@...> wrote: > I seem to have done something wrong because my " kimchi " isn't bubbling, its just sitting there. I know nothing was sterile so what did I likely do wrong? > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 Wow, those jars are a great price. So the Dunkers go inside and what do you do for a lid since those lids are metal? The opening of all the Mason Ball jars are the same size. I purchased separately white screw on plastic lids that fit all wide mouth jars. Kathleen They look like this: http://www.specialt ybottle.com/ index.asp? PageAction= VIEWPROD & ProdID=237 and this: http://www.specialt ybottle.com/ index.asp? PageAction= VIEWPROD & ProdID=236 They are really heavy duty and I like them. I think the 2 qt " mason " jars in the stores are more or less like a quart jar? At least they look like it. http://www.amazon. com/Jarden- Brands-68100- Mouth-Canning/ dp/B0000BYE26 They just say " wide mouth " which I'm guessing means they are the same as the 1qt.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 I don't actually purchase those jars. They happen to be exactly like the jars I buy kimchi in from a local dealer ... the local dealer uses plastic lids. So I just reuse them! But I think the site sells plastic lids too. Seriously, for my own household, the 4-5 jars I have work fine. It's worth buying some " authentic " kimchi just to see what it is about, and see how yours measures up, in any case. I bought the screw on lids for regular mason jars too, because we have a fair number of them and I use them for random things (like pickled ginger). I don't have the 2qt ones though. I've been disappointed in mason jars because, I think, they are too thin, and break easily. But OTOH they are easy to get. The 1/2 and 1 and gal Dunkers work a little differently: they sit under the shoulder of the jar to stay down, which works better than relying on weight. But they are not as " pretty " . Getting the scallop shape down to be consistent took me a good 6 months, and my " real " job keeps getting in the way. On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 9:20 PM, Kathleen <kathleencsa@...> wrote: > Wow, those jars are a great price. So the Dunkers go inside and what do you do for a lid since those lids are metal? > > The opening of all the Mason Ball jars are the same size. I purchased separately white screw on plastic lids that fit all wide mouth jars. > > > Kathleen > > > > > > > > They look like this: > > http://www.specialt ybottle.com/ index.asp? PageAction= VIEWPROD & ProdID=237 > > and this: > > http://www.specialt ybottle.com/ index.asp? PageAction= VIEWPROD & ProdID=236 > > They are really heavy duty and I like them. > > I think the 2 qt " mason " jars in the stores are more or less like a > quart jar? At least they look like it. > > http://www.amazon. com/Jarden- Brands-68100- Mouth-Canning/ dp/B0000BYE26 > > They just say " wide mouth " which I'm guessing means they are the same > as the 1qt.? > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2010 Report Share Posted March 31, 2010 >>>It's worth buying some " authentic " kimchi just to see what it is about, and see how yours measures up, in any case. So where would I find this authentic kimchi? Thanks, millie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2010 Report Share Posted March 31, 2010 > So where would I find this authentic kimchi? > > Thanks, > millie At an authentic Korean store, of course! I don't know about where you live, but there are a fair number of stores around here that cater to the various Asian clientele, and one is basically just Korean. They have a whole section devoted to kimchi and kimchi ingredients. -- T. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2010 Report Share Posted March 31, 2010 I found some at central market. not sure if it is authentic or not though lol I have never had it & was wanting to make some. thought I should try it first! Patti ________________________________ From: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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