Re: Alcoholism and Drug Addiction

February 11, 2003

Cannabis is NOT good for our livers, ones healthy or ones ravaged by HCV. It isn't good for our lungs either. It is ridiculous to suggest it is.

February 12, 2003

bullshit

which gov study would you like to supply to prove the bullshit?

Find a non gov study, and we can talk.

Cannnibis is probably the best expectorant on the planet, and will actually remove carcinogens from your lungs!

Grow up and get out from behind your mammas skirt, and get a real education and think for yourselves, for crying out loud.

Peace, Jeanine

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February 12, 2003

Hey

Live and let live.

As a drug addict doing any mind altering substances (whether you call it a herb or a drug) is like playing with fire. Having an addictive personality means it is not likely that I could handle any intoxicant responsibly. It is not that weed is bad, it just some folks can handle it, use it medicinally, or responsibly and some can not. To each his own.

best wishes

thia

February 12, 2003

You believe any smoke, injested into your lungs, is good for you? Marijuana passes through the liver right? It is processed through the liver: smoke. You believe smoke is good for your liver? Telling people cannabis is good for them is dangerous to their health. That doesn't need a governent study, it needs simple common sense.

There's a reason they call it dope.

February 12, 2003

please read the 5,000 years of research on this plant. thanks, carol ps cannabis has been used to cure alcholic (of which i was one - haven't had a drink in 5 years) if you guys want to pick on something try the pills your doc gives you - the salesman propbly just left the sample. I too am a very addictive person - i just hate pain and pills. thanks, carol

Re: [ ] Alcoholism and Drug Addiction

Cannabis is NOT good for our livers, ones healthy or ones ravaged by HCV. It isn't good for our lungs either. It is ridiculous to suggest it is.

February 12, 2003

Heroin is dope.

Cannibis is an herb, and is completely safe, and utterly non-addictive.

And if you understood how your body functions, or anything related to cannibis, and the benefits of THC, its effects on cellular function and restoration of cellular communication within the brain, we wouldn't even be having this discussion. And since you are not equipped with any knowledge to carry out the discussion, I imagine its best to discontinue your attempts to exchange ideas....as you see, an exchange of ideas requires, 'ideas'. Maybe its best to not embarrass yourself any further...unless you have something factual, or substantial to add to the discussion....

Personal attacks and defamation or not susbstantial contributions.

It is enough for me that we each may choose how to treat our own bodies. If you choose to deny your body something out of ignorance and fear, it is completely ok with me. If you choose to provide your body something out of ignorance or fear, it is completely ok with me.

If you would like to gain the knowledge your body requires to heal itself, that's ok with me. If you would not, that's ok with me, too.

There are all kinds of good things out there I do not choose to put in my body...if I do not require them.

There are all kinds of things I wouldn't even consider ingesting....

If you are concerned about the detrament of cannibis, but wolf down KFC and micky d's you are in one mouthful doing more to destroy your life than 10 fields of cannibis. When you eat one potatoe chip you consume 100's of times more carcinogen than is found in one cigarette.

Take a tylenol, or ibuprofen and kill your liver cells.... Tap water is full of more free radicals than a cigarette...gulp it down.... That lettuce you just got from the super market contains more chemicals than your cigarette.

Your Metameucil and exlax destroy your digestive system & take years off your life. Your Sinus medication and cough formula and one a day vitamins create a toxic, overly acidic environment in your body, and build up residual toxicity in the cells, destroying proper cellular function and communication, which is the precursor to ALL disease.

That baked potatoe or bowl of cereal you just ate produced more harmful cholesterol in your system, and worked your liver extremely hard to produce it.

That Diet Pepsi is shutting down cellular brain function by the billions each sip you take. And your Coke diminishes your immune system 800% within 20 minutes and conitinues residual inhibition for days afterward.

Your flu shot and hep b vaccine have introduced more pathogens to your body than you could greet in 10 lifetimes.

OOoohhhh, that evil cannibis.... which has never, ever in the history of mankind ever killed or physicaly DAMAGED one human being...ever....

And anyone who is a physically addicted alcoholic, if you will take sufficient quantities of the Master Amino Acid Pattern and balance the amino acids in your body, your physical addiction will be corrected...but, the rest is up to you.

Peace, Jeanine

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February 12, 2003

this all being true, many people don't classify marijuana as a drug, but as an HERB, as was clearly stated. It is mountains away from pharmaceutical pain killers--I don't believe you can remotely compare the two. Any drug OR herb can be abused and cause negative (side) effects. As someone with personal experience in the subject we're discussing, I believe I speak with an informed opinion. And you're right, this probably isn't the best forum for this discussion. Respectfully, Satya

[ ] Alcoholism and Drug Addiction

Fellow Warriors. I know that this may not be the best forum for this; but as a recovering alcoholic and drug addict, I feel compelled to add something to what I have previously written. I have no problem with people using pot for medical reasons if it helps. However, anyone who has gotten clean and sober through a 12-step program knows that using anything mind-altering can turn into a relapse. And I don't care who you are or how much sobriety you have. As I have said before, I have over 20 years; and when I was prescribed pain killers for a minor surgery I had a couple of years ago, I felt that old feeling; and it still beckons me. Most non-alcoholics/addicts will never understand what it is like to be an addict and have an addictive personality. It is not a matter of "willpower" or weakness, as so many "normal" people believe. It is an illness; and with the proper treatment, it can be controlled; but it is never cured. Love and blessings. Karolyn

February 12, 2003

Jeanine,

You're a pothead, that's obvious. You're doing anyone with liver disease great harm by telling them to take your little weed. You shoot off insults when you can't back up your silly eco-freak nonsense with facts. Smoking anything is bad for the liver. Period. There is no argument.

You're just some brainwashed ecology nutcase that posts your crazy ideas here. I think it's sick to delude people into taking something that harms them

We're not talking about potato chips, or heroin ... we're talking about your 'natural' poison.

February 12, 2003

I don't care if people call the DRUG THC a "herb" or Santa Claus: SMOKING ANYTHING IS BAD FOR YOUR LIVER WHETHER YOU HAVE HCV OR NOT.

You natural nutcases are really something. Why don't you go out to a jungle and let a natural lion eat your natural flesh.

You're doing harm to people by advocation they smoke a dangerous drug.

Re: [ ] Alcoholism and Drug Addiction

this all being true, many people don't classify marijuana as a drug, but as an HERB, as was clearly stated. It is mountains away from pharmaceutical pain killers--I don't believe you can remotely compare the two. Any drug OR herb can be abused and cause negative (side) effects. As someone with personal experience in the subject we're discussing, I believe I speak with an informed opinion. And you're right, this probably isn't the best forum for this discussion. Respectfully, Satya

February 12, 2003

Carol,

So smoking something that can give you cancer is okay? Smoking your natural weed causes cancer. Smoking it with HCV justs adds fuel to the fire. It's really a dumb thing to do and only some whacked-out pothead would suggest it.

You people advocating taking dangerous drugs like cannabis remind me of the scam artist preachers that take advantage of the dying. It's sick.

Re: [ ] Alcoholism and Drug Addiction

please read the 5,000 years of research on this plant. thanks, carol ps cannabis has been used to cure alcholic (of which i was one - haven't had a drink in 5 years) if you guys want to pick on something try the pills your doc gives you - the salesman propbly just left the sample. I too am a very addictive person - i just hate pain and pills. thanks, carol

February 12, 2003

Ok ok, calm down everyone, i merely suggested ppl look at it as an alternative. i might sugges to you scott that you need something to work on your stress - everyone knows stress revs up symptoms. I definetly advocate it for you. Thanks, Carol

Re: [ ] Alcoholism and Drug Addiction

please read the 5,000 years of research on this plant. thanks, carol ps cannabis has been used to cure alcholic (of which i was one - haven't had a drink in 5 years) if you guys want to pick on something try the pills your doc gives you - the salesman propbly just left the sample. I too am a very addictive person - i just hate pain and pills. thanks, carol

February 12, 2003

, wouldn't you feel better in a group of people that agreed with you?

Liz

Re: [ ] Alcoholism and Drug Addiction

this all being true, many people don't classify marijuana as a drug, but

as an HERB, as was clearly stated. It is mountains away from pharmaceutical

pain killers--I don't believe you can remotely compare the two. Any drug OR

herb can be abused and cause negative (side) effects. As someone with

personal experience in the subject we're discussing, I believe I speak with

an informed opinion. And you're right, this probably isn't the best forum

for this discussion. Respectfully, Satya

February 12, 2003

LOL, this is America and I don't believe in letting misinformed "dopers" spread their harmful BS to people. It's a free country and maybe you'd be better off not reading my posts.

, wouldn't you feel better in a group of people that agreed with you?Liz

February 12, 2003

Thia,

I'd like to see any doctor, any liver specialist, anywhere -- that is not some flake -- advocate marijuana smoking. Talk about setting yourself up for Hepatoma ... it would be funny if it wasn't so harmful to advocate for those suffering with HCV.

There are no carcinogens in cannabis? LOL that is garbage ... it has more carcinogens than tobacco.

I realize there are some Mother Earth Gaia types here that advocate "natural healing" as opposed to traditional medicine, and that's their right, just as it is my right to point out that no so-called natural method cures HCV and just because one person is convinced that it does that doesn't prove it does.

I've been on this board for some time, watching the posts and I will tell you that this latest piece of nonsense is too much just to sit still and let slide.

Marijuana is HARMFUL to your liver. Any doctor, anywhere, that is not a pothead him/herself will tell you that.

Good luck with the HCC that will be developed by people that smoke dope during tx.

I'd like to see people beat this disease, not get suckered into things that will harm them -- like smoking cannabis.

Those that advocate marijuana ought to be ashamed of themselves for doing so.

February 12, 2003

I don't think it's good to inhale smoke of any kind. but i do every now and then. there's lots of things that aren't good for you .but i don't see the point in depriving oneself of every thing that you may enjoy. your going to die someday so have a little fun in the mean time. there's a difference between living and existing. let all things be done in moderation

February 12, 2003

I might smoke a joint every couple of months and I may go 6 months or longer and not. That's my business and no one else's. you can't eliminate every thing that's harmful. I weigh things out and choose for myself. it's my life. I think ranting and raving is harmful too, and being miserable isn't always the right thing to do. Take it easy but take it. pumpboz

February 12, 2003

Interesting and biased observation, but not true. There are others...who are not "heads" who have fully functioning brains... and common sense to boot...

Luv,

Gwen

February 13, 2003

My, my...I thought we were creating a "healthy terrain"...sarcasm is toxic. ....Webster says so, it means a purposed effort to cut, tear and destroy...doesn't sound healthy does it??? Can't people have a right to their opinion without being a candidate....scary

Luv,

Gwen

February 13, 2003

, you helped me identify the root agenda of this group,... Mother Gaia is like the ole "its not nice to mess with Mother Nature" commercial...disagree...question too much...and off goes your head and scud missiles start to fly...hang in there... talk it but provin it is another whole 6 inch email of Flanisms...well there I said it and if anyone sends me any mess thru the mail....wellll, don't even try it

I am going to be well and intelligent at the same time....this is too serious

Luv,

Gwen

February 13, 2003

...Glad to hear someone is telling it like it is. Jeannine is a very dangerous lady. Unfortunately there are many people who are desperate enough to listen to her sale pitches and babble. . I try not to get into these squabbles, but when she comes up with"cannibis is completely safe and utterly non-addictive",I see red. Not saying it doesn't help with nausea and appetite,not to mention getting you high but everything goes through your liver. Please fellow heppers, use common sense, with any drug or herb.!