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[Guest guest]

Because she hasn't experienced it and therefore it doesn't exist in her

world.

She doesn't care that people like me are severely allergic to iodine and

almost died when I have tried it as a test dose. In her world because she

has not seen it or experienced it- it doesn't exist! LOL

Nancie

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I just don't understand how you can recommend something to someone that

has a small but none zero probability of side effects... such as death.

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> graciabee <graciabee>

>

>

> Mon Nov 10, 2008 9:27 am (PST)

>

>

> Rick

> you have got to try Iodoral 50--100mg plus ATP cofactors and companion

> nutrients. it's really good stuff.

> http://www.naturalthyroidchoices.com

> <http://www.naturalthyroidchoices.com>

> Gracia

[Guest guest]

it is a total myth. please tell me what you actually took and the dose, and I

will try to explain it to you.

gracia

It is NOT a myth. I almost died from taking a test dose. Even my natural

medicine provider agrees with me and she does NOT practice allopathic

medicine!

Go ahead and stick you head in the sand, but just remember to be careful

about " prescribing " iodine because the next person you convince to take

massive doses- just might be an undiagnosed iodine allergic and they may die

Think about how you would feel knowing that you killed someone.

Nancie

-- Re: Re: Mineral deficiencies and hypothyroidism

b/c it isn't true. it's total myth you actually endorse a belief system not

science.

Gracia

I just don't understand how you can recommend something to someone that

has a small but none zero probability of side effects... such as death.

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Look gracia, I don't need an explanation from YOU of all people! ROTFLMAO.

I know what happened to be was an anaphylactic reaction.

Go ahead and keep your head in the sand. But, pity the person who may have

an undiagnosed iodine allergy and listens to you and then dies from your

massive dose recommendation. It will happen, gracia. The odds are there. I

would suggest getting a good defense attorney now so you will have one to

call .

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[Guest guest]

I actually have a file for the really bizarre and rude posts you write to

me!!!! I think they will be very amusing someday.

why don't you explain all this to the iodine group?

Gracia

Look gracia, I don't need an explanation from YOU of all people! ROTFLMAO.

I know what happened to be was an anaphylactic reaction.

Go ahead and keep your head in the sand. But, pity the person who may have

an undiagnosed iodine allergy and listens to you and then dies from your

massive dose recommendation. It will happen, gracia. The odds are there. I

would suggest getting a good defense attorney now so you will have one to

call .

-- Re: Re: Mineral deficiencies and hypothyroidism

b/c it isn't true. it's total myth you actually endorse a belief system not

science.

Gracia

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And I have mine, gracia. Talk about BIZZARE! Your take the cake! I have all

those posts that clearly show that you are practicing medicine without a

license- that is considered illegal, gracia in every state of the country. I

wonder what your bosses would say.....

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You know gracia I would be more civil to you if you weren't such an ass in

your thinking that you know better that everyone else!! You don't know me or

my individual body and how dare you tell me what is or is not happening with

my body- you are very pretentious and that will get you in trouble someday.

You are not a medical provider and it is clear that you do not have the

knowledge to understand that everyone is different and not an identical twin

to yourself.

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[Guest guest]

That is an emphatically incorrect response. I am in fact quoting the

same specific SCIENTIFIC facts that Chuck has repeatedly quoted to you.

Did you not read or understand the literature Chuck quoted??? That

happens to be SCIENCE.

Do you even know the difference between " science " and an unsupported

" belief system " such as a myth???

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>

> Posted by: " Gracia " circe@...

>

<mailto:circe@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Mineral%20deficiencies%20and%20hy\

pothyroidism>

> graciabee <graciabee>

>

>

> Tue Nov 11, 2008 8:17 am (PST)

>

>

> b/c it isn't true. it's total myth you actually endorse a belief

> system not science.

> Gracia

>

> I just don't understand how you can recommend something to someone that

> has a small but none zero probability of side effects... such as death.

>

>

[Guest guest]

You have posted that numerous times. Chuck has posted the results of

scientific papers which demonstrate that such a reaction occurs in some

people such as you found in credible peer reviewed literature. Yet to

Gracia these remain not scientific facts, but " an unscientific belief

system " .

The scientific method certainly demonstrates a world view [contrary to

what Gracia believes]; how much it is a " belief system " is debatable.

Inasmuch as it is a belief system it is rather ludicrous to call it an

unscientific system. It is specifically a _scientific_ belief system.

Whether that is desirable is completely beside the point. In this

specific discussion whether depending upon scientifically conducted

research constitutes science is what Gracia denies.

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>

> Posted by: " Nancie Barnett " deifspirit@...

>

<mailto:deifspirit@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Mineral%20deficiencies%20and%20hyp\

othyroidism>

> aspenfairy1 <aspenfairy1>

>

>

> Tue Nov 11, 2008 5:01 pm (PST)

>

> Because she hasn't experienced it and therefore it doesn't exist in her

> world.

> She doesn't care that people like me are severely allergic to iodine and

> almost died when I have tried it as a test dose. In her world because she

> has not seen it or experienced it- it doesn't exist! LOL

> Nancie

>

> -- Re: Mineral deficiencies and hypothyroidism

>

> I just don't understand how you can recommend something to someone that

> has a small but none zero probability of side effects... such as death.

>

>

> .

[Guest guest]

Perhaps we just need you to define " myth " ??? For the intelligent and

educated population it is MOL the exact opposite of the meaning you have

been using.

Gracia, you hold allopathic medical practitioners in contempt and tend

to revere none-allopathic practitioners; or perhaps none-standard

allopathic practitioners such as Brownstein et al. Nancie's holistic

practitioner concludes that iodine almost killed her; _exactly_ as

predicted for a small percentage of patients by credible scientific

research.

I started to ask you why, but I think I've figured it out. Brownstein,

Flechas and Abraham are your religious idols; and they disagree with

scientific facts and Nancie's holistic doctor. Is that it? Every

creation myth/religion holds that its specific beliefs and prophets are

the work of God and all others are the work of the devil. Any validity

there?

..

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>

> Posted by: " Gracia " circe@...

>

<mailto:circe@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Mineral%20deficiencies%20and%20hy\

pothyroidism>

> graciabee <graciabee>

>

>

> Tue Nov 11, 2008 8:54 pm (PST)

>

>

> it is a total myth. please tell me what you actually took and the

> dose, and I will try to explain it to you.

> gracia

>

> It is NOT a myth. I almost died from taking a test dose. Even my natural

> medicine provider agrees with me and she does NOT practice allopathic

> medicine!

> Go ahead and stick you head in the sand, but just remember to be careful

> about " prescribing " iodine because the next person you convince to take

> massive doses- just might be an undiagnosed iodine allergic and they

> may die

> Think about how you would feel knowing that you killed someone.

> Nancie

[Guest guest]

Nancie reports that she had an anaphylactic reaction from an iodine dose

that came close to killing her and it was confirmed by her doctor. You

deny that such a thing occurred, although such reactions are confirmed

by credible scientific research. Aren't you calling both her and her

doctor liars? Do you consider that rude??? Do you consider any post

[such as this one] that contradicts opinions that you or Brownstein et

al. hold to be rude?

FAIK iodine may work for you [and some others] MOL exactly as you

believe it does [although I harbor doubts]. That still doesn't change

Nancie's experience, or the scientific research that demonstrates the

danger to _some_ people who take the dose you do.

Let me pose a hypothetical case [that I'm afraid may become fact]: A

person goes into anaphylactic shock and dies. An investigation shows

that the patient took 50 or 100 mg of iodine immediately before the

onset of symptoms. It further shows that someone on the internet

strongly recommended that she/he take a dose of iodine that is over

6500% of the RDA of iodine. The doctors conclude that she died of an

anaphylactic shock brought on by a large dose of iodine. Do you think

the person recommending the megadose should/would feel any remorse???

..

..

> Posted by: " Gracia " circe@...

>

<mailto:circe@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Mineral%20deficiencies%20and%20hy\

pothyroidism>

> graciabee <graciabee>

>

>

> Tue Nov 11, 2008 9:32 pm (PST)

>

>

> I actually have a file for the really bizarre and rude posts you write

> to me!!!! I think they will be very amusing someday.

> why don't you explain all this to the iodine group?

> Gracia

[Guest guest]

While I emphatically understand the frustration of trying to communicate

with Gracia I would like to respectfully object to name calling. We

cannot ask Ira to do more than he does already, so we need to moderate

ourselves.

I probably disagree with Gracia more than about anybody here, but I

think she basically means well.

We all have a world view, and that world view dictates how we determine

what constitutes well supported physical facts. It appears that nothing

in science registers with Gracia as being well supported; or anything

that contradicts Brownstein et al. So I suspect I'll go on being

frustrated...

..

..

> I would be more civil to you if you weren't such an @$$ in

> your thinking that you know better that everyone else!!

[Guest guest]

In my opinion, the term " myth " is being misused. Myths are the

equivalent of " false " . Myths can be very valuable as a means of

transmitting universal truth (not literal story truth) from generation

to generation.

Religious fundamentalism is more the style here where one selects a

" position " and ignores all other views regardless. One " position " in

this case is that allopathic is truth and all others are snake oil

salesmen, or vice-versa. Both positions I think are irrational and

polarizing.

From what I've been able to see with respect to what people are taking

and what they report, mega doses of Iodine isn't all that unsafe and has

some benefits. On the other hand, the literature is clear that some

preparations of Iodine cause allergic reactions in some people so

caution may be called for.

On the other hand, I don't know how many people eat peanuts and/or

peanut products for the first time with caution but if they get a

reaction, they no doubt are more careful if they have a next time.

steve

wrote:

> Perhaps we just need you to define " myth " ??? For the intelligent and

> educated population it is MOL the exact opposite of the meaning you have

> been using.

>

> Gracia, you hold allopathic medical practitioners in contempt and tend

> to revere none-allopathic practitioners; or perhaps none-standard

> allopathic practitioners such as Brownstein et al. Nancie's holistic

> practitioner concludes that iodine almost killed her; _exactly_ as

> predicted for a small percentage of patients by credible scientific

> research.

>

> I started to ask you why, but I think I've figured it out. Brownstein,

> Flechas and Abraham are your religious idols; and they disagree with

> scientific facts and Nancie's holistic doctor. Is that it? Every

> creation myth/religion holds that its specific beliefs and prophets are

> the work of God and all others are the work of the devil. Any validity

> there?

>

>

> .

> .

>

>> Posted by: " Gracia " circe@...

>>

<mailto:circe@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Mineral%20deficiencies%20and%20hy\

pothyroidism>

>> graciabee <graciabee>

>>

>>

>> Tue Nov 11, 2008 8:54 pm (PST)

>>

>>

>> it is a total myth. please tell me what you actually took and the

>> dose, and I will try to explain it to you.

>> gracia

>>

>> It is NOT a myth. I almost died from taking a test dose. Even my natural

>> medicine provider agrees with me and she does NOT practice allopathic

>> medicine!

>> Go ahead and stick you head in the sand, but just remember to be careful

>> about " prescribing " iodine because the next person you convince to take

>> massive doses- just might be an undiagnosed iodine allergic and they

>> may die

>> Think about how you would feel knowing that you killed someone.

>> Nancie

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[Guest guest]

The thing that is skewed is that Armour is made by allopathic physicians and

scientists and yet she takes it.

Rather a big contradiction isn't it?

-- Re: Mineral deficiencies and hypothyroidism

Perhaps we just need you to define " myth " ??? For the intelligent and

educated population it is MOL the exact opposite of the meaning you have

been using.

Gracia, you hold allopathic medical practitioners in contempt and tend

to revere none-allopathic practitioners; or perhaps none-standard

allopathic practitioners such as Brownstein et al. Nancie's holistic

practitioner concludes that iodine almost killed her; _exactly_ as

predicted for a small percentage of patients by credible scientific

research.

I started to ask you why, but I think I've figured it out. Brownstein,

Flechas and Abraham are your religious idols; and they disagree with

scientific facts and Nancie's holistic doctor. Is that it? Every

creation myth/religion holds that its specific beliefs and prophets are

the work of God and all others are the work of the devil. Any validity

there?

..

..

>

> Posted by: " Gracia " circe@...

> <mailto:circe@fairpoint

net?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Mineral%20deficiencies%20and%20hypothyroidism>

> graciabee <graciabee>

>

>

> Tue Nov 11, 2008 8:54 pm (PST)

>

>

> it is a total myth. please tell me what you actually took and the

> dose, and I will try to explain it to you.

> gracia

>

> It is NOT a myth. I almost died from taking a test dose. Even my natural

> medicine provider agrees with me and she does NOT practice allopathic

> medicine!

> Go ahead and stick you head in the sand, but just remember to be careful

> about " prescribing " iodine because the next person you convince to take

> massive doses- just might be an undiagnosed iodine allergic and they

> may die

> Think about how you would feel knowing that you killed someone.

> Nancie

[Guest guest]

My natural medicine physician was in the room. So , In her hallucination,

she called 911 and had to get the crash cart. LOL

-- Re: Mineral deficiencies and hypothyroidism

Nancie reports that she had an anaphylactic reaction from an iodine dose

that came close to killing her and it was confirmed by her doctor. You

deny that such a thing occurred, although such reactions are confirmed

by credible scientific research. Aren't you calling both her and her

doctor liars? Do you consider that rude??? Do you consider any post

[such as this one] that contradicts opinions that you or Brownstein et

al. hold to be rude?

FAIK iodine may work for you [and some others] MOL exactly as you

believe it does [although I harbor doubts]. That still doesn't change

Nancie's experience, or the scientific research that demonstrates the

danger to _some_ people who take the dose you do.

Let me pose a hypothetical case [that I'm afraid may become fact]: A

person goes into anaphylactic shock and dies. An investigation shows

that the patient took 50 or 100 mg of iodine immediately before the

onset of symptoms. It further shows that someone on the internet

strongly recommended that she/he take a dose of iodine that is over

6500% of the RDA of iodine. The doctors conclude that she died of an

anaphylactic shock brought on by a large dose of iodine. Do you think

the person recommending the megadose should/would feel any remorse???

..

..

> Posted by: " Gracia " circe@...

> <mailto:circe@fairpoint

net?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Mineral%20deficiencies%20and%20hypothyroidism>

> graciabee <graciabee>

>

>

> Tue Nov 11, 2008 9:32 pm (PST)

>

>

> I actually have a file for the really bizarre and rude posts you write

> to me!!!! I think they will be very amusing someday.

> why don't you explain all this to the iodine group?

> Gracia

[Guest guest]

I don't think she means well at all when it comes to me and one of these

days she will kill someone with her " prescriptions " . I hope she can afford a

good defense attorney- she will need it.

-- Re: Mineral deficiencies and hypothyroidism

While I emphatically understand the frustration of trying to communicate

with Gracia I would like to respectfully object to name calling. We

cannot ask Ira to do more than he does already, so we need to moderate

ourselves.

I probably disagree with Gracia more than about anybody here, but I

think she basically means well.

We all have a world view, and that world view dictates how we determine

what constitutes well supported physical facts. It appears that nothing

in science registers with Gracia as being well supported; or anything

that contradicts Brownstein et al. So I suspect I'll go on being

frustrated...

..

..

> I would be more civil to you if you weren't such an @$$ in

> your thinking that you know better that everyone else!!

[Guest guest]

I think you guys are getting seriously confused! I guess you shall have to

remain confused. I'm not going to help you out here, you have to figure it out

for yourselves.

gracia

Nancie reports that she had an anaphylactic reaction from an iodine dose

that came close to killing her and it was confirmed by her doctor. You

deny that such a thing occurred, although such reactions are confirmed

by credible scientific research. Aren't you calling both her and her

doctor liars? Do you consider that rude??? Do you consider any post

[such as this one] that contradicts opinions that you or Brownstein et

al. hold to be rude?

FAIK iodine may work for you [and some others] MOL exactly as you

believe it does [although I harbor doubts]. That still doesn't change

Nancie's experience, or the scientific research that demonstrates the

danger to _some_ people who take the dose you do.

Let me pose a hypothetical case [that I'm afraid may become fact]: A

person goes into anaphylactic shock and dies. An investigation shows

that the patient took 50 or 100 mg of iodine immediately before the

onset of symptoms. It further shows that someone on the internet

strongly recommended that she/he take a dose of iodine that is over

6500% of the RDA of iodine. The doctors conclude that she died of an

anaphylactic shock brought on by a large dose of iodine. Do you think

the person recommending the megadose should/would feel any remorse???

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Anaphylatic reactions can not ignorantly be dismissed as myth no matter

how much you fail " to help us out " . Not buying what you're selling.

Steve

Gracia wrote:

> I think you guys are getting seriously confused! I guess you shall have to

remain confused. I'm not going to help you out here, you have to figure it out

for yourselves.

> gracia

>

> Nancie reports that she had an anaphylactic reaction from an iodine dose

> that came close to killing her and it was confirmed by her doctor. You

> deny that such a thing occurred, although such reactions are confirmed

> by credible scientific research. Aren't you calling both her and her

> doctor liars? Do you consider that rude??? Do you consider any post

> [such as this one] that contradicts opinions that you or Brownstein et

> al. hold to be rude?

>

> FAIK iodine may work for you [and some others] MOL exactly as you

> believe it does [although I harbor doubts]. That still doesn't change

> Nancie's experience, or the scientific research that demonstrates the

> danger to _some_ people who take the dose you do.

>

> Let me pose a hypothetical case [that I'm afraid may become fact]: A

> person goes into anaphylactic shock and dies. An investigation shows

> that the patient took 50 or 100 mg of iodine immediately before the

> onset of symptoms. It further shows that someone on the internet

> strongly recommended that she/he take a dose of iodine that is over

> 6500% of the RDA of iodine. The doctors conclude that she died of an

> anaphylactic shock brought on by a large dose of iodine. Do you think

> the person recommending the megadose should/would feel any remorse???

>

>

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You are the one who is confused! Big time.

-- Re: Re: Mineral deficiencies and hypothyroidism

I think you guys are getting seriously confused! I guess you shall have to

remain confused. I'm not going to help you out here, you have to figure it

out for yourselves.

gracia

Nancie reports that she had an anaphylactic reaction from an iodine dose

that came close to killing her and it was confirmed by her doctor. You

deny that such a thing occurred, although such reactions are confirmed

by credible scientific research. Aren't you calling both her and her

doctor liars? Do you consider that rude??? Do you consider any post

[such as this one] that contradicts opinions that you or Brownstein et

al. hold to be rude?

FAIK iodine may work for you [and some others] MOL exactly as you

believe it does [although I harbor doubts]. That still doesn't change

Nancie's experience, or the scientific research that demonstrates the

danger to _some_ people who take the dose you do.

Let me pose a hypothetical case [that I'm afraid may become fact]: A

person goes into anaphylactic shock and dies. An investigation shows

that the patient took 50 or 100 mg of iodine immediately before the

onset of symptoms. It further shows that someone on the internet

strongly recommended that she/he take a dose of iodine that is over

6500% of the RDA of iodine. The doctors conclude that she died of an

anaphylactic shock brought on by a large dose of iodine. Do you think

the person recommending the megadose should/would feel any remorse???

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Iodine is working for me, my mother, my sister, and my daughter.

The proof is in the pudding!

Ali

On Nov 13, 2008, at 10:42 PM, Steve wrote:

> Anaphylatic reactions can not ignorantly be dismissed as myth no

> matter

> how much you fail " to help us out " . Not buying what you're selling.

>

> Steve

>

> Gracia wrote:

> > I think you guys are getting seriously confused! I guess you

> shall have to remain confused. I'm not going to help you out here,

> you have to figure it out for yourselves.

> > gracia

> >

> > Nancie reports that she had an anaphylactic reaction from an

> iodine dose

> > that came close to killing her and it was confirmed by her

> doctor. You

> > deny that such a thing occurred, although such reactions are

> confirmed

> > by credible scientific research. Aren't you calling both her and her

> > doctor liars? Do you consider that rude??? Do you consider any post

> > [such as this one] that contradicts opinions that you or

> Brownstein et

> > al. hold to be rude?

> >

> > FAIK iodine may work for you [and some others] MOL exactly as you

> > believe it does [although I harbor doubts]. That still doesn't

> change

> > Nancie's experience, or the scientific research that demonstrates

> the

> > danger to _some_ people who take the dose you do.

> >

> > Let me pose a hypothetical case [that I'm afraid may become fact]: A

> > person goes into anaphylactic shock and dies. An investigation shows

> > that the patient took 50 or 100 mg of iodine immediately before the

> > onset of symptoms. It further shows that someone on the internet

> > strongly recommended that she/he take a dose of iodine that is over

> > 6500% of the RDA of iodine. The doctors conclude that she died of an

> > anaphylactic shock brought on by a large dose of iodine. Do you

> think

> > the person recommending the megadose should/would feel any

> remorse???

> >

> >

>

> --

>

> Steve - dudescholar4@...

>

> Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at

> http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html

>

> " If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march

> to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford

>

>

[Guest guest]

But, it doesn't work for everybody- that is the point. It almost killed me!

I had no idea that I was allergic to iodine until that test dose. If it

happened to me then it certainly can happen to others who also do not know

that they are allergic to iodine. My dose was only about 10 mg. What do you

think a 100 mg dose would do to someone who is an undiagnosed iodine

allergic?? It could kill them!

-- Re: Re: Mineral deficiencies and hypothyroidism

Iodine is working for me, my mother, my sister, and my daughter.

The proof is in the pudding!

Ali

On Nov 13, 2008, at 10:42 PM, Steve wrote:

> Anaphylatic reactions can not ignorantly be dismissed as myth no

> matter

> how much you fail " to help us out " . Not buying what you're selling.

>

> Steve

>

> Gracia wrote:

> > I think you guys are getting seriously confused! I guess you

> shall have to remain confused. I'm not going to help you out here,

> you have to figure it out for yourselves.

> > gracia

> >

> > Nancie reports that she had an anaphylactic reaction from an

> iodine dose

> > that came close to killing her and it was confirmed by her

> doctor. You

> > deny that such a thing occurred, although such reactions are

> confirmed

> > by credible scientific research. Aren't you calling both her and her

> > doctor liars? Do you consider that rude??? Do you consider any post

> > [such as this one] that contradicts opinions that you or

> Brownstein et

> > al. hold to be rude?

> >

> > FAIK iodine may work for you [and some others] MOL exactly as you

> > believe it does [although I harbor doubts]. That still doesn't

> change

> > Nancie's experience, or the scientific research that demonstrates

> the

> > danger to _some_ people who take the dose you do.

> >

> > Let me pose a hypothetical case [that I'm afraid may become fact]: A

> > person goes into anaphylactic shock and dies. An investigation shows

> > that the patient took 50 or 100 mg of iodine immediately before the

> > onset of symptoms. It further shows that someone on the internet

> > strongly recommended that she/he take a dose of iodine that is over

> > 6500% of the RDA of iodine. The doctors conclude that she died of an

> > anaphylactic shock brought on by a large dose of iodine. Do you

> think

> > the person recommending the megadose should/would feel any

> remorse???

> >

> >

>

> --

>

> Steve - dudescholar4@...

>

> Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at

> http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html

>

> " If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march

> to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford

>

>

[Guest guest]

I eat peanuts. They must be safe for everyone.

Steve

Alison Trotta-Marshall wrote:

> Iodine is working for me, my mother, my sister, and my daughter.

> The proof is in the pudding!

> Ali

> On Nov 13, 2008, at 10:42 PM, Steve wrote:

>

>> Anaphylatic reactions can not ignorantly be dismissed as myth no

>> matter

>> how much you fail " to help us out " . Not buying what you're selling.

>>

>> Steve

>>

>> Gracia wrote:

>>> I think you guys are getting seriously confused! I guess you

>> shall have to remain confused. I'm not going to help you out here,

>> you have to figure it out for yourselves.

>>> gracia

>>>

>>> Nancie reports that she had an anaphylactic reaction from an

>> iodine dose

>>> that came close to killing her and it was confirmed by her

>> doctor.

--

Steve - dudescholar4@...

Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at

http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html

" If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march

to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford

[Guest guest]

Steve wrote:

> In my opinion, the term " myth " is being misused. Myths are the

> equivalent of " false " . Myths can be very valuable as a means of

This should read " Myths are NOT the equivalent of false " .

> transmitting universal truth (not literal story truth) from generation

> to generation.

>

> Religious fundamentalism is more the style here where one selects a

> " position " and ignores all other views regardless. One " position " in

> this case is that allopathic is truth and all others are snake oil

> salesmen, or vice-versa. Both positions I think are irrational and

> polarizing.

>

> From what I've been able to see with respect to what people are taking

> and what they report, mega doses of Iodine isn't all that unsafe and has

> some benefits. On the other hand, the literature is clear that some

> preparations of Iodine cause allergic reactions in some people so

> caution may be called for.

>

> On the other hand, I don't know how many people eat peanuts and/or

> peanut products for the first time with caution but if they get a

> reaction, they no doubt are more careful if they have a next time.

>

> steve

--

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" If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march

to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford

[Guest guest]

Let me add that I also have used Lugol's 50 mg/day for 3 months and

currently do about 12.5 mg/day (2 drops at 5%). I'm not against high

Iodine by any means, just pragmatic that it's not the elixir of eternal

life for everyone. Just because I use something doesn't make it safe

for everyone. The benefit I got was a lowering of TSH blood tests by

about 25% but that didn't come with a corresponding increase in energy

levels.

Morphine is a powerful drug for most people, but when they inject me

with it (via an IV), it does absolute nothing. For me, morphine is the

same is using a saline solution, a waste of time and money. Just

because Morphine doesn't work for me doesn't mean we should ban the

product. It does work for other people. On the other hand, my brother

has a very negative reaction to morphine so he should not get it at all.

(I'm beginning to think that the utility of morphine is directly

related to how strong your adrenals are - same with caffeine.)

With Iodine, some people have negative reactions. Others get benefits.

Just because you got a benefit doesn't mean that everyone will get a

benefit.

Just because you, your mother, sister, and daughter got benefits,

doesn't make it so for everyone. Your story is " anecdotal " .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence

Steve

Steve wrote:

> I eat peanuts. They must be safe for everyone.

>

> Steve

>

> Alison Trotta-Marshall wrote:

>> Iodine is working for me, my mother, my sister, and my daughter.

>> The proof is in the pudding!

>> Ali

>> On Nov 13, 2008, at 10:42 PM, Steve wrote:

>>

>>> Anaphylatic reactions can not ignorantly be dismissed as myth no

>>> matter

>>> how much you fail " to help us out " . Not buying what you're selling.

>>>

>>> Steve

>>>

>>> Gracia wrote:

>>>> I think you guys are getting seriously confused! I guess you

>>> shall have to remain confused. I'm not going to help you out here,

>>> you have to figure it out for yourselves.

>>>> gracia

>>>>

>>>> Nancie reports that she had an anaphylactic reaction from an

>>> iodine dose

>>>> that came close to killing her and it was confirmed by her

>>> doctor.

>

--

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http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html

" If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march

to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford

[Guest guest]

No, a myth may be true or false. If a story is told unsupported by

credible facts then it is a myth. If credible facts are then brought

forward to support the myth it then moves into the realm of fact. Of

course, facts also may be true or false! [ggg]

The best example I know were the old stories [myths] that peasants and

other uneducated rural people told about rocks sometimes falling out of

the sky. Many years ago the nature of [and even the existence of]

meteorites was unknown. So the scientific world [such as it was]

pooh-poohed the notion that rocks could fall out of the sky. It was

simply an unsupported myth, and the scientists seemed to always believe

that if a rock fell out of the sky it was because a hidden trickster

tossed it, and the simple peasant folk were simply too ignorant [or

stupid] to figure out what was happening. Of course, we know the rest

of the story, and the " myth " that rocks not thrown by humans sometimes

fall out of the sky is now a scientifically supported fact.

I do agree with you that those who assert that any group [allopathic

medicine or alternative medicine] has all the facts in its favor are

very short sighted and foolish. One very good example of the melding of

the two approaches IMHO is LOVE, MEDICINE AND MIRACLES by Dr. Bernie S.

Siegel. The same applies to about any controversial field.

My main reason for problems with Brownstein et al. are that they write

papers that resemble credible research to the uninitiated, while if fact

they are not credible at all. And then we over and over again have

these papers quoted here as though they had the credibility of peer

reviewed literature when in fact they would be laughed out of any

credible peer reviewed venue. That, and the fact that they support

iodine as the cure-all for far too many human conditions based upon

whatever actual research that we have. And cooperate in the sale and

use of same.

Regards,

..

..

>

> Posted by: " Steve " dudescholar4@...

>

<mailto:dudescholar4@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Mineral%20deficiencies%20a\

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> dudescholar <dudescholar>

>

>

> Thu Nov 13, 2008 6:35 pm (PST)

>

> In my opinion, the term " myth " is being misused. Myths are the

> equivalent of " false " . Myths can be very valuable as a means of

> transmitting universal truth (not literal story truth) from generation

> to generation.

>

> Religious fundamentalism is more the style here where one selects a

> " position " and ignores all other views regardless. One " position " in

> this case is that allopathic is truth and all others are snake oil

> salesmen, or vice-versa. Both positions I think are irrational and

> polarizing.

>

> >From what I've been able to see with respect to what people are taking

> and what they report, mega doses of Iodine isn't all that unsafe and has

> some benefits. On the other hand, the literature is clear that some

> preparations of Iodine cause allergic reactions in some people so

> caution may be called for.

>

> On the other hand, I don't know how many people eat peanuts and/or

> peanut products for the first time with caution but if they get a

> reaction, they no doubt are more careful if they have a next time.

>

> steve

>

> wrote:

> > Perhaps we just need you to define " myth " ??? For the intelligent and

> > educated population it is MOL the exact opposite of the meaning you

> have

> > been using.

> >

> > Gracia, you hold allopathic medical practitioners in contempt and tend

> > to revere none-allopathic practitioners; or perhaps none-standard

> > allopathic practitioners such as Brownstein et al. Nancie's holistic

> > practitioner concludes that iodine almost killed her; _exactly_ as

> > predicted for a small percentage of patients by credible scientific

> > research.

> >

> > I started to ask you why, but I think I've figured it out. Brownstein,

> > Flechas and Abraham are your religious idols; and they disagree with

> > scientific facts and Nancie's holistic doctor. Is that it? Every

> > creation myth/religion holds that its specific beliefs and prophets are

> > the work of God and all others are the work of the devil. Any validity

> > there?

> >

> >

> > .