Re: Mineral deficiencies and hypothyroidism

[Guest guest]

yes I have success with transdermal magnesium http://www.magnesiumforlife.com

and I have huge success with iodine/iodide

http://www.optimox.com

I am quite sure it will be used extensively in the future of healthcare, as it

has been in the past.

Gracia

Hi folks,

As someone who has been dealing with hypothyroid symptoms since 1985,

I've continually been looking for solutions. I've previously posted

as having had success in 1990 with 250-300mcg of T4, 120mg of Armour

in early 1992 and 90mcg (split into 2 doses) of time-release T3 in

1993. Since 1993, I have not been able to feel 100%.

I have been reading recently about the influence of minerals such as

magnesium, calcium, potassium and selenium on making cell membranes

permeable to hormones and conversion of T4 to T3. I've had both

intracellular and hair analysis mineral tests which show deficiencies

in some of these minerals. The past few years I have also had atrial

fibrillation issues. A web search shows magnesium deficiency often

linked to a-fib. I've been a runner for years and quite likely lose a

lot of electrolytes in sweat. So I'm wondering if the hypothyroidism

and a-fib have a common cause - mineral deficiencies.

So given that many people on this list seem to require large doses of

thyroid meds and/or require T3 (as Armour or Cytomel), I wonder if

mineral deficiencies might cause many of us to be hypothyroid at the

cellular level? Certainly straight T4 at moderate doses seems to work

well for many with thyroid gland hypothyroidism (including

Hashimoto's) but maybe many others are hypothyroid at the cellular level.

This site has some interesting information: http://www.ithyroid.com

Anyone here had success with mineral replacement along with thyroid?

Rick

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I was only diagnosed a month ago so it's to early to tell about any of

the things I'm doing, but I recently read a book called The Calcium

Lie by Dr. . His theory is the deficiencies and

imbalances of minerals are likely behind a lot of our increasingly

common health conditions like hypothyroidism, insulin resistance and

diabetes as well as many cardiac problems. Sometimes he's a little

fluffy and I don't know enough physiology to know if I should trust

him but I've been trying the mineral supplementation recommended in

the book. He pushes the hair analysis and says not to do the minerals

without it but at the same time he links our general mineral

deficiency to the substitution of refined table salt for sea salt in

our diet, the general vilification of salt and over-consumption and

supplementation of calcium and soy products. If that's the natural

balance, I figure I'll take the risk of just using a balanced mineral

supplement and switching to sea salt. I'm also avoiding soy and dairy

as well as kicking my diet soda addiction. We'll see if it helps.

On the supplement front, he said that most mineral supplements on the

market aren't readily absorbed by the body and recommended ionic

minerals in the same balance as is found in sea salt. I'm trying some

from Trace Minerals Research. He also said that most vitamins on the

market weren't very good since they're not made of whole foods. Stuff

like ascorbic acid and beta carotene are just single chemicals that

are part of the entire vitamin. So I've ordered some whole foods based

vitamins and we'll see how it goes. Essentially I ordered the stuff he

had on his site, but I ordered it from Amazon since I didn't feel

comfortable with his site security.

So far I'm on 50 mcg of levothroid with a GP that sees no point in

anything but the TSH test. I'm going to give it a little time and see

how I feel but it seems criminal to me that they won't do anything

beyond a basic test right away. They won't even test for antibodies!

Apparently we're supposed to suffer for months or years first before

they really look at things. I'm already thinking of finding a new doc

or at least insisting Kaiser send me to an endo. Maybe I'll just pay

for tests. I'm not sure if I'm jumping the gun. It has only been a

month so I don't know if I should realistically expect to be feeling

tons better. My basal temp has raised slightly so I guess that's good.

Maybe I just need to be patient. On the one hand, if I change 10

things at once, I won't know what worked. On the other, I've been

feeling horrible for a few years now and I would like it to be over

now. I'm sure many people here can sympathize. I've probably only been

seriously hypo for 3 years though I suspect I've been cycling off and

on more mildly since I got mono when I was 18. I hear so many people

here who have suffering for decades, it just makes me angry that the

medical establishment doesn't care more.

-Alisa

>

> Hi folks,

>

> As someone who has been dealing with hypothyroid symptoms since 1985,

> I've continually been looking for solutions. I've previously posted

> as having had success in 1990 with 250-300mcg of T4, 120mg of Armour

> in early 1992 and 90mcg (split into 2 doses) of time-release T3 in

> 1993. Since 1993, I have not been able to feel 100%.

>

> I have been reading recently about the influence of minerals such as

> magnesium, calcium, potassium and selenium on making cell membranes

> permeable to hormones and conversion of T4 to T3. I've had both

> intracellular and hair analysis mineral tests which show deficiencies

> in some of these minerals. The past few years I have also had atrial

> fibrillation issues. A web search shows magnesium deficiency often

> linked to a-fib. I've been a runner for years and quite likely lose a

> lot of electrolytes in sweat. So I'm wondering if the hypothyroidism

> and a-fib have a common cause - mineral deficiencies.

>

> So given that many people on this list seem to require large doses of

> thyroid meds and/or require T3 (as Armour or Cytomel), I wonder if

> mineral deficiencies might cause many of us to be hypothyroid at the

> cellular level? Certainly straight T4 at moderate doses seems to work

> well for many with thyroid gland hypothyroidism (including

> Hashimoto's) but maybe many others are hypothyroid at the cellular

level.

>

> This site has some interesting information: http://www.ithyroid.com

>

> Anyone here had success with mineral replacement along with thyroid?

>

> Rick

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Gracia,

Thanks for your response on magnesium. What specific benefits did you

notice with magnesium? Lower Armour dosage required? Getting Armour

to work at all? How did you differentiate the benefits from those you

got with iodine?

Thanks,

Rick

>

>

> yes I have success with transdermal magnesium

http://www.magnesiumforlife.com

> and I have huge success with iodine/iodide

> http://www.optimox.com

> I am quite sure it will be used extensively in the future of

healthcare, as it has been in the past.

> Gracia

>

>

> Hi folks,

>

> As someone who has been dealing with hypothyroid symptoms since 1985,

> I've continually been looking for solutions. I've previously posted

> as having had success in 1990 with 250-300mcg of T4, 120mg of Armour

> in early 1992 and 90mcg (split into 2 doses) of time-release T3 in

> 1993. Since 1993, I have not been able to feel 100%.

>

> I have been reading recently about the influence of minerals such as

> magnesium, calcium, potassium and selenium on making cell membranes

> permeable to hormones and conversion of T4 to T3. I've had both

> intracellular and hair analysis mineral tests which show deficiencies

> in some of these minerals. The past few years I have also had atrial

> fibrillation issues. A web search shows magnesium deficiency often

> linked to a-fib. I've been a runner for years and quite likely lose a

> lot of electrolytes in sweat. So I'm wondering if the hypothyroidism

> and a-fib have a common cause - mineral deficiencies.

>

> So given that many people on this list seem to require large doses of

> thyroid meds and/or require T3 (as Armour or Cytomel), I wonder if

> mineral deficiencies might cause many of us to be hypothyroid at the

> cellular level? Certainly straight T4 at moderate doses seems to work

> well for many with thyroid gland hypothyroidism (including

> Hashimoto's) but maybe many others are hypothyroid at the cellular

level.

>

> This site has some interesting information: http://www.ithyroid.com

>

> Anyone here had success with mineral replacement along with thyroid?

>

> Rick

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi Alisa,

Sorry to hear about your challenges with doctors. I hope you can get

some help from the mineral approach. The mineral deficiency theory

makes a lot of sense to me since so few people eat what could be

considered excellent nutritional diets. It takes work to do so.

Furthermore we lose minerals with caffeine and alcohol use, as well as

in sweat when exercising. I've found it takes some real focus to get

through diet the potassium I theortetically should be ingesting.

I too wonder about absorption of many supplements and have tried some

of the Trace Minerals products but not yet the ionic minerals.

Rick

> >

> > Hi folks,

> >

> > As someone who has been dealing with hypothyroid symptoms since 1985,

> > I've continually been looking for solutions. I've previously posted

> > as having had success in 1990 with 250-300mcg of T4, 120mg of Armour

> > in early 1992 and 90mcg (split into 2 doses) of time-release T3 in

> > 1993. Since 1993, I have not been able to feel 100%.

> >

> > I have been reading recently about the influence of minerals such as

> > magnesium, calcium, potassium and selenium on making cell membranes

> > permeable to hormones and conversion of T4 to T3. I've had both

> > intracellular and hair analysis mineral tests which show deficiencies

> > in some of these minerals. The past few years I have also had atrial

> > fibrillation issues. A web search shows magnesium deficiency often

> > linked to a-fib. I've been a runner for years and quite likely lose a

> > lot of electrolytes in sweat. So I'm wondering if the hypothyroidism

> > and a-fib have a common cause - mineral deficiencies.

> >

> > So given that many people on this list seem to require large doses of

> > thyroid meds and/or require T3 (as Armour or Cytomel), I wonder if

> > mineral deficiencies might cause many of us to be hypothyroid at the

> > cellular level? Certainly straight T4 at moderate doses seems to work

> > well for many with thyroid gland hypothyroidism (including

> > Hashimoto's) but maybe many others are hypothyroid at the cellular

> level.

> >

> > This site has some interesting information: http://www.ithyroid.com

> >

> > Anyone here had success with mineral replacement along with thyroid?

> >

> > Rick

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I think allopathic thyroid treatment is mostly a joke, I don't have much

respect for it. Read the research on http://www.optimox.com also

http://www.drbrownstein.com

Gracia

I was only diagnosed a month ago so it's to early to tell about any of

the things I'm doing, but I recently read a book called The Calcium

Lie by Dr. . His theory is the deficiencies and

imbalances of minerals are likely behind a lot of our increasingly

common health conditions like hypothyroidism, insulin resistance and

diabetes as well as many cardiac problems. Sometimes he's a little

fluffy and I don't know enough physiology to know if I should trust

him but I've been trying the mineral supplementation recommended in

the book. He pushes the hair analysis and says not to do the minerals

without it but at the same time he links our general mineral

deficiency to the substitution of refined table salt for sea salt in

our diet, the general vilification of salt and over-consumption and

supplementation of calcium and soy products. If that's the natural

balance, I figure I'll take the risk of just using a balanced mineral

supplement and switching to sea salt. I'm also avoiding soy and dairy

as well as kicking my diet soda addiction. We'll see if it helps.

On the supplement front, he said that most mineral supplements on the

market aren't readily absorbed by the body and recommended ionic

minerals in the same balance as is found in sea salt. I'm trying some

from Trace Minerals Research. He also said that most vitamins on the

market weren't very good since they're not made of whole foods. Stuff

like ascorbic acid and beta carotene are just single chemicals that

are part of the entire vitamin. So I've ordered some whole foods based

vitamins and we'll see how it goes. Essentially I ordered the stuff he

had on his site, but I ordered it from Amazon since I didn't feel

comfortable with his site security.

So far I'm on 50 mcg of levothroid with a GP that sees no point in

anything but the TSH test. I'm going to give it a little time and see

how I feel but it seems criminal to me that they won't do anything

beyond a basic test right away. They won't even test for antibodies!

Apparently we're supposed to suffer for months or years first before

they really look at things. I'm already thinking of finding a new doc

or at least insisting Kaiser send me to an endo. Maybe I'll just pay

for tests. I'm not sure if I'm jumping the gun. It has only been a

month so I don't know if I should realistically expect to be feeling

tons better. My basal temp has raised slightly so I guess that's good.

Maybe I just need to be patient. On the one hand, if I change 10

things at once, I won't know what worked. On the other, I've been

feeling horrible for a few years now and I would like it to be over

now. I'm sure many people here can sympathize. I've probably only been

seriously hypo for 3 years though I suspect I've been cycling off and

on more mildly since I got mono when I was 18. I hear so many people

here who have suffering for decades, it just makes me angry that the

medical establishment doesn't care more.

-Alisa

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Hair analysis for medical diagnostics is mostly used by con artists,

quacks and the ill informed. If I ever went to a " professional " who

recommended it I would be finding another doctor.

The human body cannot tell the difference between an ion of sodium

chloride taken from a salt mine and one taken from sea water. The one

taken from sea water may have [but may not have] more trace minerals,

along with the sewage and other garbage we've been throwing into the

oceans for the past few hundred years.

BTW, I would hazard a guess that much of the salt from mines was once in

the oceans, where they have dried up. The salt left in such deposits

[in mines] should have all the trace elements from sea water without the

sewage and garbage. See the quote from Wikipedia:

..

..

There have been two main sources for salt: sea

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea> water and rock salt

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_salt>. Rock salt occurs in vast beds

of sedimentary <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sedimentary> evaporite

minerals that result from the drying up of enclosed

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endorheic> lakes, playas

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Playa>, and seas. Salt beds may be up to

350 m thick and underlie broad areas. In the United States

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States> and Canada

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada> extensive underground beds extend

from the Appalachian <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appalachian> basin of

western New York <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York> through parts

of Ontario <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontario> and under much of the

Michigan <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michigan> basin. Other deposits

are in Texas <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas>, Ohio

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohio>, Kansas

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansas>, New Mexico

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Mexico>, Nova Scotia

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nova_Scotia>, and Saskatchewan

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saskatchewan>. In the United Kingdom

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom> underground beds are found

in Cheshire <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheshire> and around Droitwich

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Droitwich_Spa>. Salzburg

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salzburg> was named " the city of salt " for

its mines.

>

> Salt is extracted from underground beds either by mining

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mining> or by solution mining

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solution_mining> using water

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water> or brine

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brine>. In solution mining the salt

> reaches the surface as brine, which is then turned into salt crystals

> by evaporation.

>

..

..

So you can have nice, clean salt from the mines; or you can have modern

sea salt with a little $#!t mixed in with it. Take your choice...

Luck,

..

..

>

> Posted by: " daisilicious " alisa.fender@...

>

<mailto:alisa.fender@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Mineral%20deficiencies%20and%20h\

ypothyroidism>

> daisilicious <daisilicious>

>

>

> Fri Oct 31, 2008 1:15 pm (PDT)

>

> I was only diagnosed a month ago so it's to early to tell about any of

> the things I'm doing, but I recently read a book called The Calcium

> Lie by Dr. . His theory is the deficiencies and

> imbalances of minerals are likely behind a lot of our increasingly

> common health conditions like hypothyroidism, insulin resistance and

> diabetes as well as many cardiac problems. Sometimes he's a little

> fluffy and I don't know enough physiology to know if I should trust

> him but I've been trying the mineral supplementation recommended in

> the book. He pushes the hair analysis and says not to do the minerals

> without it but at the same time he links our general mineral

> deficiency to the substitution of refined table salt for sea salt in

> our diet, the general vilification of salt and over-consumption and

> supplementation of calcium and soy products. If that's the natural

> balance, I figure I'll take the risk of just using a balanced mineral

> supplement and switching to sea salt. I'm also avoiding soy and dairy

> as well as kicking my diet soda addiction. We'll see if it helps.

[Guest guest]

You certainly have a right to your opinion. However, among the

intelligent and educated people of the entire world it is Optimox and

Dr. Brownstein who are totally devoid of respect.

..

..

>

> Posted by: " Gracia " circe@...

>

<mailto:circe@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Mineral%20deficiencies%20and%20hy\

pothyroidism>

> graciabee <graciabee>

>

>

> Fri Oct 31, 2008 9:25 pm (PDT)

>

>

> I think allopathic thyroid treatment is mostly a joke, I don't have

> much respect for it. Read the research on http://www.optimox.com

> <http://www.optimox.com> also http://www.drbrownstein.com

> <http://www.drbrownstein.com>

> Gracia

[Guest guest]

,

I'm not necessarily a believer in hair mineral analysis but my results

fit in some respects with intracellular mineral tests I've had - e.g.

low magnesium, potassium, sodium.

As far as hair analysis practitioners being quacks, I suppose we could

say the same about doctors who treat thyroid problems bases solely on

blood tests :-) Without measuring thyroid levels within the cell

(which we cannot do yet), we don't really know if we are possibly

effectively hypothyroid at the cellular level. Maybe the blood tests

work ok for folks whose thyroid gland does not put out enough.

However, there are seemingly so many folks who present with

hypothyroid symptoms but are not cured with the blood test approach.

There is obviously something(s) else going on. I brought up the hair

analysis because, whether it is a valid test or not, the possibility

of mineral deficiencies preventing thyroid hormone entering the cells

of being adequately converted inside them from T4 to T3 might explain

the need for very high thyroid dosages (as I've experienced myself) or

the fact that some people cannot seem to find any resolution to their

hypothyroid issues. If mineral deficiencies are present and not

treated, maybe any dosage of thyroid meds is not going to relieve the

hypothyroid symptoms.

What do you think?

Rick

>

> Hair analysis for medical diagnostics is mostly used by con artists,

> quacks and the ill informed. If I ever went to a " professional " who

> recommended it I would be finding another doctor.

>

> The human body cannot tell the difference between an ion of sodium

> chloride taken from a salt mine and one taken from sea water. The one

> taken from sea water may have [but may not have] more trace minerals,

> along with the sewage and other garbage we've been throwing into the

> oceans for the past few hundred years.

>

> BTW, I would hazard a guess that much of the salt from mines was

once in

> the oceans, where they have dried up. The salt left in such deposits

> [in mines] should have all the trace elements from sea water without

the

> sewage and garbage. See the quote from Wikipedia:

> .

> .

> There have been two main sources for salt: sea

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea> water and rock salt

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_salt>. Rock salt occurs in vast beds

> of sedimentary <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sedimentary> evaporite

> minerals that result from the drying up of enclosed

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endorheic> lakes, playas

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Playa>, and seas. Salt beds may be up to

> 350 m thick and underlie broad areas. In the United States

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States> and Canada

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada> extensive underground beds extend

> from the Appalachian <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appalachian>

basin of

> western New York <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York> through parts

> of Ontario <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontario> and under much of the

> Michigan <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michigan> basin. Other deposits

> are in Texas <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas>, Ohio

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohio>, Kansas

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansas>, New Mexico

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Mexico>, Nova Scotia

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nova_Scotia>, and Saskatchewan

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saskatchewan>. In the United Kingdom

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom> underground beds are

found

> in Cheshire <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheshire> and around

Droitwich

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Droitwich_Spa>. Salzburg

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salzburg> was named " the city of salt "

for

> its mines.

> >

> > Salt is extracted from underground beds either by mining

> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mining> or by solution mining

> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solution_mining> using water

> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water> or brine

> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brine>. In solution mining the salt

> > reaches the surface as brine, which is then turned into salt crystals

> > by evaporation.

> >

> .

> .

> So you can have nice, clean salt from the mines; or you can have modern

> sea salt with a little $#!t mixed in with it. Take your choice...

>

>

>

>

> Luck,

>

> .

> .

>

> >

> > Posted by: " daisilicious " alisa.fender@...

> >

<mailto:alisa.fender@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Mineral%20deficiencies%20and%20hypot\

hyroidism>

> > daisilicious <daisilicious>

> >

> >

> > Fri Oct 31, 2008 1:15 pm (PDT)

> >

> > I was only diagnosed a month ago so it's to early to tell about any of

> > the things I'm doing, but I recently read a book called The Calcium

> > Lie by Dr. . His theory is the deficiencies and

> > imbalances of minerals are likely behind a lot of our increasingly

> > common health conditions like hypothyroidism, insulin resistance and

> > diabetes as well as many cardiac problems. Sometimes he's a little

> > fluffy and I don't know enough physiology to know if I should trust

> > him but I've been trying the mineral supplementation recommended in

> > the book. He pushes the hair analysis and says not to do the minerals

> > without it but at the same time he links our general mineral

> > deficiency to the substitution of refined table salt for sea salt in

> > our diet, the general vilification of salt and over-consumption and

> > supplementation of calcium and soy products. If that's the natural

> > balance, I figure I'll take the risk of just using a balanced mineral

> > supplement and switching to sea salt. I'm also avoiding soy and dairy

> > as well as kicking my diet soda addiction. We'll see if it helps.

>

[Guest guest]

Hey Rick,

Just my 2 cents: I have been getting my hair tested for 5 years now,

annually.

I also go to a ³regular² doctor and use ³conventional² medicine combined

with diet, exercise, and herbal supplements.

I was SUPER IMPRESSED with my first Hair Test and suppose

that kept me coming back for more.

It¹s not just the mineral levels but the ratios and it shows

what¹s going on with our bodies at the cellular level.

When I first had mine done, I had my consult and

was told I had and under active thyroid and couldn¹t process

carbs well and had a gluten intolerance ­NONE of this was known before hand.

They have formulas for the ratios of minerals and elements and

it helps show what our bodies are PUTTING OUT, via hair, and not just what

we are taking in.

Another year, I had two of my mercury fillings replaced,

did the hair test and it came back with higher than

normal mercury levels and during the consult my

nutritionist asked if I had any mercury fillings replaced

recently and that if I had this was a god thing since my body was getting

rid of the mercury.

I stand my hair testing analysis and I have a nutritionist

who does it for just $55.00 with a short consult included.

I have low potassium and sodium and that showed up finally

in my blood tests this past month ‹ it has shown up on my hair test for

years.

Sue

On 11/2/08 2:00 PM, " richardtcbatty " <rbatty@...> wrote:

>

>

>

> ,

>

> I'm not necessarily a believer in hair mineral analysis but my results

> fit in some respects with intracellular mineral tests I've had - e.g.

> low magnesium, potassium, sodium.

>

> As far as hair analysis practitioners being quacks, I suppose we could

> say the same about doctors who treat thyroid problems bases solely on

> blood tests :-) Without measuring thyroid levels within the cell

> (which we cannot do yet), we don't really know if we are possibly

> effectively hypothyroid at the cellular level. Maybe the blood tests

> work ok for folks whose thyroid gland does not put out enough.

>

> However, there are seemingly so many folks who present with

> hypothyroid symptoms but are not cured with the blood test approach.

> There is obviously something(s) else going on. I brought up the hair

> analysis because, whether it is a valid test or not, the possibility

> of mineral deficiencies preventing thyroid hormone entering the cells

> of being adequately converted inside them from T4 to T3 might explain

> the need for very high thyroid dosages (as I've experienced myself) or

> the fact that some people cannot seem to find any resolution to their

> hypothyroid issues. If mineral deficiencies are present and not

> treated, maybe any dosage of thyroid meds is not going to relieve the

> hypothyroid symptoms.

>

> What do you think?

>

> Rick

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Sue,

Thank for writing about your experience with hair analysis. I'm going

to give the recommended supplements and dietary modifications a try

following my recent hair analysis. I haven't had any success for over

15 years from a straight thyroid approach, even with some of the

Shomon Top Docs. So while I'm going to continue my 120mg of Armour,

I'm interested to see if the mineral supplements maybe make the

thyroid hormone more available to the cells and if I notice the

resolution of some of the hypothyroid symptoms.

Have you noticed a difference due to miineral supplementation based on

hair analysis?

Thanks again,

Rick

>

> >

> >

> >

> > ,

> >

> > I'm not necessarily a believer in hair mineral analysis but my results

> > fit in some respects with intracellular mineral tests I've had - e.g.

> > low magnesium, potassium, sodium.

> >

> > As far as hair analysis practitioners being quacks, I suppose we could

> > say the same about doctors who treat thyroid problems bases solely on

> > blood tests :-) Without measuring thyroid levels within the cell

> > (which we cannot do yet), we don't really know if we are possibly

> > effectively hypothyroid at the cellular level. Maybe the blood tests

> > work ok for folks whose thyroid gland does not put out enough.

> >

> > However, there are seemingly so many folks who present with

> > hypothyroid symptoms but are not cured with the blood test approach.

> > There is obviously something(s) else going on. I brought up the hair

> > analysis because, whether it is a valid test or not, the possibility

> > of mineral deficiencies preventing thyroid hormone entering the cells

> > of being adequately converted inside them from T4 to T3 might explain

> > the need for very high thyroid dosages (as I've experienced myself) or

> > the fact that some people cannot seem to find any resolution to their

> > hypothyroid issues. If mineral deficiencies are present and not

> > treated, maybe any dosage of thyroid meds is not going to relieve the

> > hypothyroid symptoms.

> >

> > What do you think?

> >

> > Rick

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Rick,

I have absolutely noticed a difference in my overall health due solely to

the reports and advise from my hair analysis.

One of the BEST things I was advised to do was make bone broth soup and sip

throughout the day.

This did wonders for my overall mood, energy and vitality. (if you need the

recipe for this let me know, it¹s really easy to make and with winter coming

up, it¹s the perfect time to start).

The 2nd is that I take Ashwagandah and Rehmania - -

two Standard Process herbs that are adaptogens ‹

I have hypoT, Hashimotos, and Adrenal fatigue and

these help the body adapt to stress and Aswhagandah is also known to help

the thryoid convert t4 to t3.

My adrenal failure went from <1 readings to just out of range of low end

normal six weeks after starting this regimen.

I now work out 3 ­ 4 x a week and have added in a

trainer for weights. I do that 45 min 3x a week.

I am 50 years old, pre-menopausal so many of my symptoms were/are

overlapping.

Prior to this I had been gaining about 10 lbs a year for the past

4 years even though my diet was excellent and my activity levels good.

I have not gained an ounce in the last 4 months and have lost 4 pounds and a

lot more in inches.

Even though I have been hair testing for years, I never really

put all the advice into effect concurrently ‹ I would ³Try a little of this²

or a ³little of that²

and didn¹t see much result and got very discouraned.

I now feel I am making very steady and regular progress with the combination

of the herbs, exercise, diet and proper meds, getting in bed before 11 pm,

sleeping 7-8 hours a night,

as well as eliminating

toxins and cutting sugar out of my diet as much as I can.

For me, it was more of the thryoid/adrenal problems and once

I got myself into a healthier state ­ mentally and physically,

the body strives to find its balance and I think that¹s what is going on

for me.

I do also take calcium and magnesium as well and use a good

celtic sea salt. I take a potassium supplement when I remember...but am

trying more to get it from foods,

just so many pills some days!

Sue

On 11/3/08 12:41 PM, " richardtcbatty " <rbatty@...> wrote:

>

>

>

> Hi Sue,

>

> Thank for writing about your experience with hair analysis. I'm going

> to give the recommended supplements and dietary modifications a try

> following my recent hair analysis. I haven't had any success for over

> 15 years from a straight thyroid approach, even with some of the

> Shomon Top Docs. So while I'm going to continue my 120mg of Armour,

> I'm interested to see if the mineral supplements maybe make the

> thyroid hormone more available to the cells and if I notice the

> resolution of some of the hypothyroid symptoms.

>

> Have you noticed a difference due to miineral supplementation based on

> hair analysis?

>

> Thanks again,

>

> Rick

>

>

>> >

>>> > >

>>> > >

>>> > >

>>> > > ,

>>> > >

>>> > > I'm not necessarily a believer in hair mineral analysis but my results

>>> > > fit in some respects with intracellular mineral tests I've had - e.g.

>>> > > low magnesium, potassium, sodium.

>>> > >

>>> > > As far as hair analysis practitioners being quacks, I suppose we could

>>> > > say the same about doctors who treat thyroid problems bases solely on

>>> > > blood tests :-) Without measuring thyroid levels within the cell

>>> > > (which we cannot do yet), we don't really know if we are possibly

>>> > > effectively hypothyroid at the cellular level. Maybe the blood tests

>>> > > work ok for folks whose thyroid gland does not put out enough.

>>> > >

>>> > > However, there are seemingly so many folks who present with

>>> > > hypothyroid symptoms but are not cured with the blood test approach.

>>> > > There is obviously something(s) else going on. I brought up the hair

>>> > > analysis because, whether it is a valid test or not, the possibility

>>> > > of mineral deficiencies preventing thyroid hormone entering the cells

>>> > > of being adequately converted inside them from T4 to T3 might explain

>>> > > the need for very high thyroid dosages (as I've experienced myself) or

>>> > > the fact that some people cannot seem to find any resolution to their

>>> > > hypothyroid issues. If mineral deficiencies are present and not

>>> > > treated, maybe any dosage of thyroid meds is not going to relieve the

>>> > > hypothyroid symptoms.

>>> > >

>>> > > What do you think?

>>> > >

>>> > > Rick

>>> > >

>>> > >

>>> > >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

[Guest guest]

I think there is no point in taking ANY test that cannot measure what it

presumes to measure in any kind of predictable way. If you have EVER

found any support in credible research for hair analysis for medical

diagnostics I'd be interested in seeing it. There's no point in

spending your money if the results are totally undependable.

It's true there are some percentage of hypothyroid patients who do not

seem to do well with conventional allopathic treatment. However, even

in those cases it's pointless to do a test upon whose results you cannot

depend. In such a case you're just as likely to take exactly the WRONG

mineral as the right one. In any case I think you can get dependable

blood mineral content from any competent lab.

As for thyroid hormones within cells it's my understanding [and I may be

wrong] that cell walls do not present ANY obstacle to same, and it

that's accurate then the hormone concentration within the cell is MOL

the same as outside the cell.

As for why some percentage of people don't benefit for conventional

treatment the short answer is I don't know. There is a least some

anecdotal evidence that it MAY be related to damage caused by an

extended period of untreated or undertreated hypothyroidism in some

patients. Maybe some level of Myxedema coma? In which case perhaps the

damage would not be reversed soon after starting treatment, if at all.

Even the percentage of people who do not benefit from conventional

treatment is hotly debated. From certain numbers available it appears

to be under 5%, but lists such as this tend to indicate a much higher

number. However, this list would tend to self select for same. Many of

those same people seem to benefit from some form of T3 such as Armour.

I short I don't have much of an answer for you except what I've already

given: Whatever course you take and to whatever extent you depend upon

medical tests they need to be tests that at least can measure what they

purport to measure. Hair analysis sorely fails this criteria.

Best of luck,

..

..

>

> Posted by: " richardtcbatty " rbatty@...

>

<mailto:rbatty@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Mineral%20deficiencies%20and%2\

0hypothyroidism>

> richardtcbatty <richardtcbatty>

>

>

> Sun Nov 2, 2008 12:00 pm (PST)

>

> ,

>

> I'm not necessarily a believer in hair mineral analysis but my results

> fit in some respects with intracellular mineral tests I've had - e.g.

> low magnesium, potassium, sodium.

>

> As far as hair analysis practitioners being quacks, I suppose we could

> say the same about doctors who treat thyroid problems bases solely on

> blood tests :-) Without measuring thyroid levels within the cell

> (which we cannot do yet), we don't really know if we are possibly

> effectively hypothyroid at the cellular level. Maybe the blood tests

> work ok for folks whose thyroid gland does not put out enough.

>

> However, there are seemingly so many folks who present with

> hypothyroid symptoms but are not cured with the blood test approach.

> There is obviously something(s) else going on. I brought up the hair

> analysis because, whether it is a valid test or not, the possibility

> of mineral deficiencies preventing thyroid hormone entering the cells

> of being adequately converted inside them from T4 to T3 might explain

> the need for very high thyroid dosages (as I've experienced myself) or

> the fact that some people cannot seem to find any resolution to their

> hypothyroid issues. If mineral deficiencies are present and not

> treated, maybe any dosage of thyroid meds is not going to relieve the

> hypothyroid symptoms.

>

> What do you think?

>

> Rick

>

>

> >

> > Hair analysis for medical diagnostics is mostly used by con artists,

> > quacks and the ill informed. If I ever went to a " professional " who

> > recommended it I would be finding another doctor.

> >

> > The human body cannot tell the difference between an ion of sodium

> > chloride taken from a salt mine and one taken from sea water. The one

> > taken from sea water may have [but may not have] more trace minerals,

> > along with the sewage and other garbage we've been throwing into the

> > oceans for the past few hundred years.

> >

> > BTW, I would hazard a guess that much of the salt from mines was

> once in

> > the oceans, where they have dried up. The salt left in such deposits

> > [in mines] should have all the trace elements from sea water without

> the

> > sewage and garbage. See the quote from Wikipedia:

> > .

> > .

> > There have been two main sources for salt: sea

> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea>> water and rock salt

[Guest guest]

I don't think it was so much an argument of mined vs. sea salt but

refined vs. unrefined. According to this author, with your typical

table salt everything but NaCl has been removed and iodine has been

put back in. That much seems reasonable to me. The hair analysis

seemed, as you say, a bit quacky. The body tries to keep itself in

balance. As long as I have enough of the required minerals and not a

big overload of any of them, it seems I should be fine. After all,

these uber-healthy hunter-gatherers that people like to theorize about

didn't have hair analysis, either. This is what has me so ambivalent

about the book. On the one hand, the background theory seems pretty

strong. On the other, he's trying to sell me stuff which always makes

me sceptical.

>

> Hair analysis for medical diagnostics is mostly used by con artists,

> quacks and the ill informed. If I ever went to a " professional " who

> recommended it I would be finding another doctor.

>

> The human body cannot tell the difference between an ion of sodium

> chloride taken from a salt mine and one taken from sea water. The one

> taken from sea water may have [but may not have] more trace minerals,

> along with the sewage and other garbage we've been throwing into the

> oceans for the past few hundred years.

>

> BTW, I would hazard a guess that much of the salt from mines was

once in

> the oceans, where they have dried up. The salt left in such deposits

> [in mines] should have all the trace elements from sea water without

the

> sewage and garbage. See the quote from Wikipedia:

> .

> .

> There have been two main sources for salt: sea

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea> water and rock salt

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_salt>. Rock salt occurs in vast beds

> of sedimentary <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sedimentary> evaporite

> minerals that result from the drying up of enclosed

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endorheic> lakes, playas

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Playa>, and seas. Salt beds may be up to

> 350 m thick and underlie broad areas. In the United States

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States> and Canada

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada> extensive underground beds extend

> from the Appalachian <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appalachian>

basin of

> western New York <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York> through parts

> of Ontario <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontario> and under much of the

> Michigan <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michigan> basin. Other deposits

> are in Texas <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas>, Ohio

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohio>, Kansas

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansas>, New Mexico

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Mexico>, Nova Scotia

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nova_Scotia>, and Saskatchewan

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saskatchewan>. In the United Kingdom

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom> underground beds are

found

> in Cheshire <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheshire> and around

Droitwich

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Droitwich_Spa>. Salzburg

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salzburg> was named " the city of salt "

for

> its mines.

> >

> > Salt is extracted from underground beds either by mining

> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mining> or by solution mining

> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solution_mining> using water

> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water> or brine

> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brine>. In solution mining the salt

> > reaches the surface as brine, which is then turned into salt crystals

> > by evaporation.

> >

> .

> .

> So you can have nice, clean salt from the mines; or you can have modern

> sea salt with a little $#!t mixed in with it. Take your choice...

>

>

>

>

> Luck,

>

> .

> .

>

> >

> > Posted by: " daisilicious " alisa.fender@...

> >

<mailto:alisa.fender@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Mineral%20deficiencies%20and%20hypot\

hyroidism>

> > daisilicious <daisilicious>

> >

> >

> > Fri Oct 31, 2008 1:15 pm (PDT)

> >

> > I was only diagnosed a month ago so it's to early to tell about any of

> > the things I'm doing, but I recently read a book called The Calcium

> > Lie by Dr. . His theory is the deficiencies and

> > imbalances of minerals are likely behind a lot of our increasingly

> > common health conditions like hypothyroidism, insulin resistance and

> > diabetes as well as many cardiac problems. Sometimes he's a little

> > fluffy and I don't know enough physiology to know if I should trust

> > him but I've been trying the mineral supplementation recommended in

> > the book. He pushes the hair analysis and says not to do the minerals

> > without it but at the same time he links our general mineral

> > deficiency to the substitution of refined table salt for sea salt in

> > our diet, the general vilification of salt and over-consumption and

> > supplementation of calcium and soy products. If that's the natural

> > balance, I figure I'll take the risk of just using a balanced mineral

> > supplement and switching to sea salt. I'm also avoiding soy and dairy

> > as well as kicking my diet soda addiction. We'll see if it helps.

>

[Guest guest]

I have been helped a lot by Iodoral http://www.optimox.com

and magnesium http://www.magnesiumforlife.com and seasalt

Gracia

I don't think it was so much an argument of mined vs. sea salt but

refined vs. unrefined. According to this author, with your typical

table salt everything but NaCl has been removed and iodine has been

put back in. That much seems reasonable to me. The hair analysis

seemed, as you say, a bit quacky. The body tries to keep itself in

balance. As long as I have enough of the required minerals and not a

big overload of any of them, it seems I should be fine. After all,

these uber-healthy hunter-gatherers that people like to theorize about

didn't have hair analysis, either. This is what has me so ambivalent

about the book. On the one hand, the background theory seems pretty

strong. On the other, he's trying to sell me stuff which always makes

me sceptical.

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Hi, Rick!

I am considering to have a hair analysis, too. For nutriology, I think

testing all vitamins is also important to find if we are vitamin

defficiencies. although vitamin tests are blood based.

Fragrance

>

> Hi folks,

>

> As someone who has been dealing with hypothyroid symptoms since 1985,

> I've continually been looking for solutions. I've previously posted

> as having had success in 1990 with 250-300mcg of T4, 120mg of Armour

> in early 1992 and 90mcg (split into 2 doses) of time-release T3 in

> 1993. Since 1993, I have not been able to feel 100%.

>

> I have been reading recently about the influence of minerals such as

> magnesium, calcium, potassium and selenium on making cell membranes

> permeable to hormones and conversion of T4 to T3. I've had both

> intracellular and hair analysis mineral tests which show deficiencies

> in some of these minerals. The past few years I have also had atrial

> fibrillation issues. A web search shows magnesium deficiency often

> linked to a-fib. I've been a runner for years and quite likely lose a

> lot of electrolytes in sweat. So I'm wondering if the hypothyroidism

> and a-fib have a common cause - mineral deficiencies.

>

> So given that many people on this list seem to require large doses of

> thyroid meds and/or require T3 (as Armour or Cytomel), I wonder if

> mineral deficiencies might cause many of us to be hypothyroid at the

> cellular level? Certainly straight T4 at moderate doses seems to work

> well for many with thyroid gland hypothyroidism (including

> Hashimoto's) but maybe many others are hypothyroid at the cellular

level.

>

> This site has some interesting information: http://www.ithyroid.com

>

> Anyone here had success with mineral replacement along with thyroid?

>

> Rick

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, ,

Why do you think hair analysis is not reliable. I searched labs for

mineral tests. The labs have limited tests for just 6 minerals. And for

hazardous tests, sometimes they test urine, not blood. So you think

blood based or urine based tests are more reliable?Why?

Fragrance

In hypothyroidism , <res075oh@...> wrote:

>

> Hair analysis for medical diagnostics is mostly used by con artists,

> quacks and the ill informed. If I ever went to a " professional " who

> recommended it I would be finding another doctor.

>

> The human body cannot tell the difference between an ion of sodium

> chloride taken from a salt mine and one taken from sea water. The one

> taken from sea water may have [but may not have] more trace minerals,

> along with the sewage and other garbage we've been throwing into the

> oceans for the past few hundred years.

>

> BTW, I would hazard a guess that much of the salt from mines was once

in

> the oceans, where they have dried up. The salt left in such deposits

> [in mines] should have all the trace elements from sea water without

the

> sewage and garbage. See the quote from Wikipedia:

> .

> .

> There have been two main sources for salt: sea

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea> water and rock salt

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_salt>. Rock salt occurs in vast

beds

> of sedimentary <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sedimentary> evaporite

> minerals that result from the drying up of enclosed

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endorheic> lakes, playas

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Playa>, and seas. Salt beds may be up to

> 350 m thick and underlie broad areas. In the United States

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States> and Canada

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada> extensive underground beds

extend

> from the Appalachian <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appalachian> basin

of

> western New York <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York> through parts

> of Ontario <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontario> and under much of

the

> Michigan <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michigan> basin. Other deposits

> are in Texas <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas>, Ohio

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohio>, Kansas

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansas>, New Mexico

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Mexico>, Nova Scotia

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nova_Scotia>, and Saskatchewan

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saskatchewan>. In the United Kingdom

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom> underground beds are

found

> in Cheshire <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheshire> and around

Droitwich

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Droitwich_Spa>. Salzburg

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salzburg> was named " the city of salt "

for

> its mines.

> >

> > Salt is extracted from underground beds either by mining

> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mining> or by solution mining

> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solution_mining> using water

> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water> or brine

> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brine>. In solution mining the salt

> > reaches the surface as brine, which is then turned into salt

crystals

> > by evaporation.

> >

> .

> .

> So you can have nice, clean salt from the mines; or you can have

modern

> sea salt with a little $#!t mixed in with it. Take your choice...

>

>

>

>

> Luck,

>

> .

> .

>

> >

> > Posted by: " daisilicious " alisa.fender@...

> >

<mailto:alisa.fender@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Mineral%20deficiencies%20and\

%20hypothyroidism>

> > daisilicious <daisilicious>

> >

> >

> > Fri Oct 31, 2008 1:15 pm (PDT)

> >

> > I was only diagnosed a month ago so it's to early to tell about any

of

> > the things I'm doing, but I recently read a book called The Calcium

> > Lie by Dr. . His theory is the deficiencies and

> > imbalances of minerals are likely behind a lot of our increasingly

> > common health conditions like hypothyroidism, insulin resistance and

> > diabetes as well as many cardiac problems. Sometimes he's a little

> > fluffy and I don't know enough physiology to know if I should trust

> > him but I've been trying the mineral supplementation recommended in

> > the book. He pushes the hair analysis and says not to do the

minerals

> > without it but at the same time he links our general mineral

> > deficiency to the substitution of refined table salt for sea salt in

> > our diet, the general vilification of salt and over-consumption and

> > supplementation of calcium and soy products. If that's the natural

> > balance, I figure I'll take the risk of just using a balanced

mineral

> > supplement and switching to sea salt. I'm also avoiding soy and

dairy

> > as well as kicking my diet soda addiction. We'll see if it helps.

>

[Guest guest]

Within the past week or two I read a report of a test of some

antidepressants widely used. The data indicated that the placebos used

had an effectiveness rating up to about 40%, which is about the same as

the reported effectiveness of some of the high priced medications under

test. Unfortunately I don't remember where I saw the article; although

I think it was in the Tampa Tribune.

Neither your body nor the best chemist in the world can tell the

difference between an ion of mined salt and one of sea salt. But

neither can you discount the results of placebos or psychological effects.

..

..

>

> Posted by: " Gracia " circe@...

>

<mailto:circe@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Mineral%20deficiencies%20and%20hy\

pothyroidism>

> graciabee <graciabee>

>

>

> Mon Nov 3, 2008 5:19 pm (PST)

>

>

> I have been helped a lot by Iodoral http://www.optimox.com

> <http://www.optimox.com>

> and magnesium http://www.magnesiumforlife.com

> <http://www.magnesiumforlife.com> and seasalt

> Gracia

>

> I don't think it was so much an argument of mined vs. sea salt but

> refined vs. unrefined. According to this author, with your typical

> table salt everything but NaCl has been removed and iodine has been

> put back in. That much seems reasonable to me. The hair analysis

> seemed, as you say, a bit quacky. The body tries to keep itself in

> balance. As long as I have enough of the required minerals and not a

> big overload of any of them, it seems I should be fine. After all,

> these uber-healthy hunter-gatherers that people like to theorize about

> didn't have hair analysis, either. This is what has me so ambivalent

> about the book. On the one hand, the background theory seems pretty

> strong. On the other, he's trying to sell me stuff which always makes

> me sceptical.

[Guest guest]

http://www.realsalt.com

http://www.celticseasalt.com

Gracia

I think (from memory)

now I am going to go vote--the opposite of

Within the past week or two I read a report of a test of some

antidepressants widely used. The data indicated that the placebos used

had an effectiveness rating up to about 40%, which is about the same as

the reported effectiveness of some of the high priced medications under

test. Unfortunately I don't remember where I saw the article; although

I think it was in the Tampa Tribune.

Neither your body nor the best chemist in the world can tell the

difference between an ion of mined salt and one of sea salt. But

neither can you discount the results of placebos or psychological effects.

.

.

>

> Posted by: " Gracia " circe@...

>

<mailto:circe@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Mineral%20deficiencies%20and%20hy\

pothyroidism>

> graciabee <graciabee>

>

>

> Mon Nov 3, 2008 5:19 pm (PST)

>

>

> I have been helped a lot by Iodoral http://www.optimox.com

> <http://www.optimox.com>

> and magnesium http://www.magnesiumforlife.com

> <http://www.magnesiumforlife.com> and seasalt

> Gracia

>

> I don't think it was so much an argument of mined vs. sea salt but

> refined vs. unrefined. According to this author, with your typical

> table salt everything but NaCl has been removed and iodine has been

> put back in. That much seems reasonable to me. The hair analysis

> seemed, as you say, a bit quacky. The body tries to keep itself in

> balance. As long as I have enough of the required minerals and not a

> big overload of any of them, it seems I should be fine. After all,

> these uber-healthy hunter-gatherers that people like to theorize about

> didn't have hair analysis, either. This is what has me so ambivalent

> about the book. On the one hand, the background theory seems pretty

> strong. On the other, he's trying to sell me stuff which always makes

> me sceptical.

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I have actually found the reverse to be true! the most brilliant ppl are

using iodine.

Gracia

(both of my parents were considered geniuses)

You certainly have a right to your opinion. However, among the

intelligent and educated people of the entire world it is Optimox and

Dr. Brownstein who are totally devoid of respect.

.

.

>

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I've inserted my comments in CAPS within your post.

Cheers,

Rick

> > >

> > > Hair analysis for medical diagnostics is mostly used by con artists,

> > > quacks and the ill informed. If I ever went to a " professional " who

> > > recommended it I would be finding another doctor.

> > >

> > > The human body cannot tell the difference between an ion of sodium

> > > chloride taken from a salt mine and one taken from sea water.

The one

> > > taken from sea water may have [but may not have] more trace

minerals,

> > > along with the sewage and other garbage we've been throwing into the

> > > oceans for the past few hundred years.

> > >

> > > BTW, I would hazard a guess that much of the salt from mines was

> > once in

> > > the oceans, where they have dried up. The salt left in such deposits

> > > [in mines] should have all the trace elements from sea water without

> > the

> > > sewage and garbage. See the quote from Wikipedia:

> > > .

> > > .

> > > There have been two main sources for salt: sea

> > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea

> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea>> water and rock salt

>

[Guest guest]

Fragrance,

I agree with .

You wrote:

>

> Why do you think hair analysis is not reliable.

Perhaps he was influenced by the American Medical Association's Committee on

Cutaneous Health and Cosmetics, which concluded in 1974, that,

" The state of health of the body may be entirely unrelated to the physical and

chemical condition of the hair . . . Although severe deficiency states of an

essential element are often associated with low concentrations of the element in

hair, there are no data that indicate that low concentrations of an element

signify low tissue levels nor that high concentrations reflect high tissue

stores. Therefore . . . hair metal levels would rarely help a physician select

effective treatment. " Lazar P. Hair analysis: What does it tell us? JAMA

229:1908-1909, 1974.

In general, the mineral content of hair can be significantly affected by

shampoo, bleach, and hair dyes. No analytic technique can tell whether an

element came from your food or from something you put on your head.

Further, most minerals can be affected by the color, diameter and rate of growth

of an individual's hair, the season of the year, the geographic location, and

the age and gender of the individual. Consequently, no one has been able to

standardize or measure normal ranges for hair minerals. Since there are no

reference ranges or standards, none of the places that offer hair analysis can

claim to have compared to a published standard.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

HI Fragrance,

Go for it!

It¹s AMAZING how much progress has been made in the last 2-3 decades.

Just think about they do REALLY reliable drug tests ‹ hair sample cuz you

can¹t ³cheat² that way and it stays in the hair a LOT longer than urine.

Mine have been dead on accurate, only about $50 each and I don¹t have to buy

anything.

I just chart my progress and target areas I need to improve.

Traditional medicine can¹t see everything ­ and learning a new lifestyle can

sometimes be prompted into action when drugs are not the first choice for

healing, I know it was for me...

Sue

On 11/4/08 2:31 AM, " fragrance_seen " <fragrance_seen@...> wrote:

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>

>

>

> Hi, Rick!

>

> I am considering to have a hair analysis, too. For nutriology, I think

> testing all vitamins is also important to find if we are vitamin

> defficiencies. although vitamin tests are blood based.

>

> Fragrance

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, Chuck!

I searched for the mineral tests in labs of hospitals and private

insitutions.

In labs of hospitals, they test patients' blood for just 6 minerals,

that is Calcium, Mg, Iron, Zinc, Copper. They are avaliable in

hospitals.

In public institutions there are tests for toxic elments, e.g. mecury.

Instead of blood, they use urine samples

In some private institutions there are tests for hairs. They use hair

samples to test 35 kinds of minerals and other heavy mental elements.

In all, if I want to know if only the blood tests are reliable and not

the hair analysis, I can have myself checked for at least 6 mineral

deficiencies...

What is your thoughts? and others' ideas?

Fragrance

> >

> > Why do you think hair analysis is not reliable.

>

> Perhaps he was influenced by the American Medical Association's

Committee on Cutaneous Health and Cosmetics, which concluded in 1974,

that,

>

> " The state of health of the body may be entirely unrelated to the

physical and chemical condition of the hair . . . Although severe

deficiency states of an essential element are often associated with low

concentrations of the element in hair, there are no data that indicate

that low concentrations of an element signify low tissue levels nor that

high concentrations reflect high tissue stores. Therefore . . . hair

metal levels would rarely help a physician select effective treatment. "

Lazar P. Hair analysis: What does it tell us? JAMA 229:1908-1909, 1974.

>

> In general, the mineral content of hair can be significantly affected

by shampoo, bleach, and hair dyes. No analytic technique can tell

whether an element came from your food or from something you put on your

head.

> Further, most minerals can be affected by the color, diameter and rate

of growth of an individual's hair, the season of the year, the

geographic location, and the age and gender of the individual.

Consequently, no one has been able to standardize or measure normal

ranges for hair minerals. Since there are no reference ranges or

standards, none of the places that offer hair analysis can claim to have

compared to a published standard.

>

> Chuck

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, Sue.

How many minerals/elements did you have them tested for hair analysis?

You said your mecury level is a little bit high?! How could it be!?

OMG...it is toxic to human health!

Fragrance

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> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Hi, Rick!

> >

> > I am considering to have a hair analysis, too. For nutriology, I

think

> > testing all vitamins is also important to find if we are vitamin

> > defficiencies. although vitamin tests are blood based.

> >

> > Fragrance

> >

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sue,

I forgot something else,, I am taking vitamins/iron every day now. Do

you think it is necessary to stop them for a few days to make sure the

accuracy. And I heard that I should use shampoo for children a few days

before cutting the samples. What did you do then? Thanks!

Fragrance

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> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Hi, Rick!

> >

> > I am considering to have a hair analysis, too. For nutriology, I

think

> > testing all vitamins is also important to find if we are vitamin

> > defficiencies. although vitamin tests are blood based.

> >

> > Fragrance

> >

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