Re: Levothyroxin and DHEA

[Guest guest]

Could be, I guess; but I don't have that excuse. My hypo was

accidentally discovered in a routine exam probably within weeks of

beginning and I was put on Synthroid and never have had any symptoms. I

swear sometimes I'm ashamed to even be here, when I hear someone's tale

of woe with a quality of life that is pure hell. Especially when I

don't have the slightest idea of how to help them. But I guess

sometimes it's worse: When someone is spending precious resources and

time on a quack product that some artist is using to get rich on the

misery of others; and I don't know how to communicate that information

to them in a believable manner.

Most times I feel fine, but last night I got a bit of food poisoning or

maybe stomach virus and today I can hardly sit in a chair. Thank God

for preparation H! [ggg] At least no one's called me a " sore head " yet

today...

As for level headedness I think that honor would have to go to Chuck.

And he's also a PhD research scientist, so he can keep us straight on

the chemistry and credible research. It does help to realize he has a

unique sense of humor if you ever hear him say something that sounds

" off the wall " ... [iMHO]

Glad you and Sue kissed and made up! [ggg]

{Ducking and running for cover...}

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> Posted by: " Comerford " cumocumocumo@...

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<mailto:cumocumocumo@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Levothyroxin%20and%20DHEA>

> cumocumocumo <cumocumocumo>

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> Fri Sep 19, 2008 8:57 pm (PDT)

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> You raise an interesting point though . Do you think the majority

> of us are hard headed because we haven't felt our best and perhaps

> that has influenced our personalities?

[Guest guest]

Who, me??? Naw...

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PS: I stay in trouble on this list so much I had to move my computer to

the time out corner! [ggg]

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> Posted by: " eastodurango@... "

> eastodurango@...

>

<mailto:eastodurango@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Levothyroxin%20and%20DHEA>

> jesse11111111111 <jesse11111111111>

>

>

> Fri Sep 19, 2008 8:59 pm (PDT)

>

> H-E-DOUBLE L, I love to argue ­ and -- complain.

>

> But I really do mean no harm.

>

> It¹s just an art I have perfected :-)

>

> I guess we need to find someone new to argue with LOL!

>

> Oh wait, there¹s always that one.........

> .........who shall remain un-named

> unless wants to tell and get in trouble.

>

> sue

>

> On 9/19/08 10:51 PM, " Comerford " <cumocumocumo@...

> <mailto:cumocumocumo%40>> wrote:

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> >

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> > sue...i don't despise you. I think i'm understanding you more

> already. You

> > have to admit though, it was somewhat entertaining to argue!!!! I

> take back

> > all that i said.

> >

[Guest guest]

A " BIT " of stubborn-ness??? That's like when the scientist estimate the

diameter of the universe as 10e10e12 cm saying it's " a fur piece " ! [ggg]

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> I do have a ³bit² of stubborn-ness and I am opinioned

[Guest guest]

Oh, are you on that group too? [ggg]

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> Posted by: " eastodurango@... "

> eastodurango@...

>

<mailto:eastodurango@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Levothyroxin%20and%20DHEA>

> jesse11111111111 <jesse11111111111>

>

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> Fri Sep 19, 2008 9:48 pm (PDT)

>

> Ok, you really are on the wrong site for that, mister!

>

> I¹m gonna have to put a noose around

> your neck and get out the whips and chains!

>

> :-O

>

> Sue

>

> On 9/19/08 11:43 PM, " " <res075oh@...

> <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net>> wrote:

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> > She says; dripping sarcasm from every pore...

> >

> > I think I'm gonna have to spank both of you! [ggg]

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I will double-check with Crystal but I am positive Computers are NOT allowed

in time out.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

sue

On 9/20/08 1:56 PM, " " <res075oh@...> wrote:

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> Who, me??? Naw...

>

>

> .

> PS: I stay in trouble on this list so much I had to move my computer to

> the time out corner! [ggg]

>

> .

[Guest guest]

Wow, I woulda thunk all we needed was balanced ph levels.

Cool beans.

sue

On 9/20/08 1:05 PM, " Dan Kukulka " <enemaguy@...> wrote:

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> SELF-Discipline is really ALL that's needed.

>

> Dan Kukulka, PhD

>

[Guest guest]

I probably shouda said just a ³byte² of stubborn-ness

and got the Double entendre out of it as well!

Darn.

I am off to the Gym to get in my cardio for the day

(not that this place doesn¹t raise my pulse/BP at times HA HA)

Y¹all behave yerselves and have a great Saturday.....

Sue

On 9/20/08 2:02 PM, " " <res075oh@...> wrote:

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> A " BIT " of stubborn-ness??? That's like when the scientist estimate the

> diameter of the universe as 10e10e12 cm saying it's " a fur piece " ! [ggg]

>

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> .

> .

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>> > I do have a ³bit² of stubborn-ness and I am opinioned

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sure.

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> Posted by: " Nancie Barnett " deifspirit@...

> <mailto:deifspirit@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Levothyroxin%20and%20DHEA>

> aspenfairy1 <aspenfairy1>

>

>

> Sat Sep 20, 2008 12:06 am (PDT)

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> - if you take too much or too high of a dose then that hormone is

> going

> to cause side effects. That is common sense. There is no unlimited

> dose for

> any hormone in the human body. You can take too much of a good thing.

[Guest guest]

That's correct. No computers, no game boys, and no t.v. , so take you

r computer back to the desk.

CW

-- Re: Re: Levothyroxin and DHEA

I will double-check with Crystal but I am positive Computers are NOT allowed

in time out.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

sue

On 9/20/08 1:56 PM, " " <res075oh@...> wrote:

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> Who, me??? Naw...

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>

> .

> PS: I stay in trouble on this list so much I had to move my computer to

> the time out corner! [ggg]

>

> .

[Guest guest]

Logically there are two types of doses under discussion in my

statement: One is the NORMAL dose and the other is and OVERDOSE in my

post. To assert that " every hormone causes side effects " is to include

the NORMAL dose as well as the OVERDOSE. That statement is inaccurate,

and it is to that statement that I replied.

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> Posted by: " Nancie Barnett " deifspirit@...

> <mailto:deifspirit@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Levothyroxin%20and%20DHEA>

> aspenfairy1 <aspenfairy1>

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> Sat Sep 20, 2008 10:12 am (PDT)

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> Sue-

> wrote this: I don't see how it follows

> That every hormone causes side effects; "

> So, then I replied:

> If you take too much or too high of a dose then that hormone is going to

> cause side effects. That is common sense. There is no unlimited dose

> for any

> hormone in the human body. You can take too much of a good thing. "

>

> But, at this point we have a scenario of : " who's on first...... LOL

[Guest guest]

HA HA HA HA....

You don¹t wanna go in that time out :-o

On 9/20/08 2:07 PM, " " <res075oh@...> wrote:

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> Oh, are you on that group too? [ggg]

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[Guest guest]

I knew it!

Tsk Tsk, , even breaking the time-out rules.

Sue

On 9/20/08 5:55 PM, " Crystal " <sweetnwright@...> wrote:

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> That's correct. No computers, no game boys, and no t.v. , so take you

> r computer back to the desk.

> CW

>

> -- Re: Re: Levothyroxin and DHEA

>

> I will double-check with Crystal but I am positive Computers are NOT allowed

> in time out.

> Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

> sue

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you, Sue,

I knew you'd come around -- but it's NOT " balanced " pH, it's pH (in your

body) as near to 7.365 as you can get it. Then, wonderously, thank to

Providence, you'll start to simply " get better. "

Read a bit more, and you'll come across the requirement of 7.365 for body

pH. Our water engineers think enough about this that they put fresh water in

the pipes at a pH of about 7.3.

Dr. Dan

On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 3:12 PM, eastodurango@... <

eastodurango@...> wrote:

> Wow, I woulda thunk all we needed was balanced ph levels.

> Cool beans.

> sue

>

> On 9/20/08 1:05 PM, " Dan Kukulka " <enemaguy@...<enemaguy%40gmail.com>>

> wrote:

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> >

> >

> >

> > SELF-Discipline is really ALL that's needed.

> >

> > Dan Kukulka, PhD

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dan, Dan, Dan,

Surely even you know my humor by now, n¹ect pas?

Sue

On 9/21/08 5:52 AM, " Dan Kukulka " <enemaguy@...> wrote:

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>

>

> Thank you, Sue,

>

> I knew you'd come around -- but it's NOT " balanced " pH, it's pH (in your

> body) as near to 7.365 as you can get it. Then, wonderously, thank to

> Providence, you'll start to simply " get better. "

>

> Read a bit more, and you'll come across the requirement of 7.365 for body

> pH. Our water engineers think enough about this that they put fresh water in

> the pipes at a pH of about 7.3.

>

> Dr. Dan

>

> On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 3:12 PM, eastodurango@...

> <mailto:eastodurango%40earthlink.net> <

> eastodurango@... <mailto:eastodurango%40earthlink.net> > wrote:

>

>> > Wow, I woulda thunk all we needed was balanced ph levels.

>> > Cool beans.

>> > sue

[Guest guest]

uh, perhaps I'm to be chided for " not " joking about people's health.

perhaps !

On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 12:33 PM, eastodurango@... <

eastodurango@...> wrote:

> Dan, Dan, Dan,

>

> Surely even you know my humor by now, n¹ect pas?

>

> Sue

>

> On 9/21/08 5:52 AM, " Dan Kukulka " <enemaguy@...<enemaguy%40gmail.com>>

> wrote:

>

> >

> >

> >

> > Thank you, Sue,

> >

> > I knew you'd come around -- but it's NOT " balanced " pH, it's pH (in your

> > body) as near to 7.365 as you can get it. Then, wonderously, thank to

> > Providence, you'll start to simply " get better. "

> >

> > Read a bit more, and you'll come across the requirement of 7.365 for body

> > pH. Our water engineers think enough about this that they put fresh water

> in

> > the pipes at a pH of about 7.3.

> >

> > Dr. Dan

> >

> > On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 3:12 PM,

eastodurango@...<eastodurango%40earthlink.net>

> > <mailto:eastodurango%40earthlink.net <eastodurango%2540earthlink.net>> <

>

> > eastodurango@... <eastodurango%40earthlink.net> <mailto:

> eastodurango%40earthlink.net <eastodurango%2540earthlink.net>> > wrote:

> >

> >> > Wow, I woulda thunk all we needed was balanced ph levels.

> >> > Cool beans.

> >> > sue

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hey Nancie...perhaps you should let sleeping dogs lie. 

Take things as literally as you want...especially since you are a medical

provider...but you should know in that particular instance, you were mistaken.

That's all i was pointing out.  Sometimes when one is attempting to make a point

they will use fictional examples to illustrate that point.  If you take these

fictional examples too literally and formulate an opinion on the example as if

it were truth you would be  mistaken...but you are a medical provider so you

probably know that.

> From: eastodurango@ earthlink. net <mailto:eastodurang o%40earthlink. net>

> <eastodurango@ earthlink. net <mailto:eastodurang o%40earthlink. net>>

> Subject: Re: Levothyroxin and DHEA

> hypothyroidism

> <mailto:hypothyroid ism%40group s.com>

> Date: Thursday, September 18, 2008, 1:37 PM

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> Of course there are ¼side effects¹ to EVERY hormone your body

> needs that you

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> put into it or you would feel no results!

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> If you are low on thyroid hormone and tired, you take your hormone and

> you

>

> FEEL maybe a bit hyper, or energtic or warm, etc.

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> It¹s all a matter of CORRECT dosing of CORRECT hormone.

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> sue

[Guest guest]

Mathew-

The point is that all hormones, supplements and drugs have side effects

whether you experience a " positive side effect or not. You can still achieve

a positive outcome and still get a benign side effect. That is a fact.

-- Re: Levothyroxin and DHEA

> hypothyroidism

> <mailto:hypothyroid ism%40group s.com>

> Date: Thursday, September 18, 2008, 1:37 PM

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> Of course there are ¼side effects¹ to EVERY hormone your body

> needs that you

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> put into it or you would feel no results!

>

> If you are low on thyroid hormone and tired, you take your hormone and

> you

>

> FEEL maybe a bit hyper, or energtic or warm, etc.

>

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> It¹s all a matter of CORRECT dosing of CORRECT hormone.

>

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> sue

[Guest guest]

Sue, i am just now getting through my missed emails here and appreciate your

response to this question as it is very informative.

It is frustrating that our doctor's first solution is to put us on

antidepressants.  It makes me wonder how many people out there are actually not

being treated for what is really ailing them.

 

  

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>> You raise an interesting point though . Do you think the majority of us

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>> are hard headed because we haven't felt our best and perhaps that has

>

>> influenced our personalities?

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the heads up but I don't really care anymore about the side effect

convo. 

FYI...I understand your explanation but that was not my point in the first

place.

> From: eastodurango@ earthlink. net <mailto:eastodurang o%40earthlink. net>

> <eastodurango@ earthlink. net <mailto:eastodurang o%40earthlink. net>>

> Subject: Re: Levothyroxin and DHEA

> hypothyroidism

> <mailto:hypothyroid ism%40group s.com>

> Date: Thursday, September 18, 2008, 1:37 PM

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> Of course there are ¼side effects¹ to EVERY hormone your body

> needs that you

>

> put into it or you would feel no results!

>

> If you are low on thyroid hormone and tired, you take your hormone and

> you

>

> FEEL maybe a bit hyper, or energtic or warm, etc.

>

>

>

> It¹s all a matter of CORRECT dosing of CORRECT hormone.

>

>

>

> sue

[Guest guest]

Just have to say this as it appears any topic flies on this list, but since when

is calling someone a " jerk " the most nasty thing in the world?  From some of the

other remarks i have seen about that you would think that I cussed Sue out!!! 

I'll be sure not to say the " J " word anymore-wow!!!!  Thanks for putting me in

my place gang!!!!

  Be sure to see my smiley face so you know that I am joking.

>

>

>

> Matt-

> If you notice she has a smile at the end of her message. Can't YOU take a

> joke?

> BTW sue is not a grump.

>

> -- Re: Re: Levothyroxin and DHEA

>

> You are really a delightful person Sue. I think your thyroid must still be

> out of whack because you are a grump.

[Guest guest]

where's my smiley?  I guess the emoticons don't work in here....let me do it the

old fashion way

>

>

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> Matt-

> If you notice she has a smile at the end of her message. Can't YOU take a

> joke?

> BTW sue is not a grump.

>

> -- Re: Re: Levothyroxin and DHEA

>

> You are really a delightful person Sue. I think your thyroid must still be

> out of whack because you are a grump.

[Guest guest]

There is a very very simple neurotransmitter test which can be ordered by a

doctor to test your brain chemistry and often " treated " with amino acids.

I have no idea why doctors and especially psychiatrists are not ordering

this test except that doctors do in many ways, support the drug companies

and vice versa.

Sue

On 9/22/08 11:07 PM, " Comerford " <cumocumocumo@...> wrote:

> Sue, i am just now getting through my missed emails here and appreciate your

> response to this question as it is very informative.

>

> It is frustrating that our doctor's first solution is to put us on

> antidepressants.  It makes me wonder how many people out there are actually

> not being treated for what is really ailing them.

>

>

>

>  

>   

>

>

>

>

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> From: eastodurango@... <eastodurango@...>

> Subject: Re: Re: Levothyroxin and DHEA

> hypothyroidism

> Date: Friday, September 19, 2008, 11:41 PM

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[Guest guest]

I suspect human health would advance markedly if every human were

convinced of that simple fact.

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> Posted by: " Nancie Barnett " deifspirit@...

> <mailto:deifspirit@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Levothyroxin%20and%20DHEA>

> aspenfairy1 <aspenfairy1>

>

>

> Mon Sep 22, 2008 8:56 pm (PDT)

>

> Mathew-

> The point is that all hormones, supplements and drugs have side effects

> whether you experience a " positive side effect or not. You can still

> achieve

> a positive outcome and still get a benign side effect.