Re: Levothyroxin and DHEA

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,

You wrote:

> Are there any significant side effects to taking DHEA supplement while being

> treating for Hypothyroidism?... 

Since DHEA increases production of testosterone, it is thought to increase the

risk of testicular cancer in males. I would call that a significant side effect.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

,

You wrote:

> Are there any significant side effects to taking DHEA supplement while being

> treating for Hypothyroidism?... 

Since DHEA increases production of testosterone, it is thought to increase the

risk of testicular cancer in males. I would call that a significant side effect.

Chuck

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gumboyaya@... wrote:

> ,

>

> You wrote:

>> Are there any significant side effects to taking DHEA supplement while being

>> treating for Hypothyroidism?...

>

> Since DHEA increases production of testosterone, it is thought to increase the

risk of testicular cancer in males. I would call that a significant side effect.

>

> Chuck

The higher a man's testosterone level, the less likely he is to get

prostate cancer and the lower his risk of cardiovascular disease. I've

never read where DHEA has a measurable affect on a man's testosterone

level. It often can have important effects on a woman's testosterone

levels.

I actually inject testosterone every week and take 100 mg/day of DHEA.

My DHEA level is midrange, not as high as I would like it, and my

testosterone is calculated to keep me in the upper third of the normal

lab reference range, the optimal position.

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TO WHOEVER,

It's almost always a good idea to take supplemental DHEA. I don't believe

that hypothyroidism treatment would factor in much.

Dr. Dan Kukulka

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MOST importantly, fix the pH

On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 8:56 PM, Steve <dudescholar4@...> wrote:

>

>

> gumboyaya@... <gumboyaya%40cox.net> wrote:

> > ,

> >

> > You wrote:

> >> Are there any significant side effects to taking DHEA supplement while

> being

> >> treating for Hypothyroidism?...

> >

> > Since DHEA increases production of testosterone, it is thought to

> increase the risk of testicular cancer in males. I would call that a

> significant side effect.

> >

> > Chuck

>

> The higher a man's testosterone level, the less likely he is to get

> prostate cancer and the lower his risk of cardiovascular disease. I've

> never read where DHEA has a measurable affect on a man's testosterone

> level. It often can have important effects on a woman's testosterone

> levels.

>

> I actually inject testosterone every week and take 100 mg/day of DHEA.

> My DHEA level is midrange, not as high as I would like it, and my

> testosterone is calculated to keep me in the upper third of the normal

> lab reference range, the optimal position.

>

> --

>

> Steve - dudescholar4@... <dudescholar4%40basicmail.net>

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> to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford

>

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>

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IMO there are no " side effects " from taking a hormone that the body is low

in. Thierry Hertoghe MD says that DHEA helps to prevent cancer in his book

Hormone Solutions. also DHEA is an adrenal homrone which is thyroid supportive.

Gracia

,

You wrote:

> Are there any significant side effects to taking DHEA supplement while being

> treating for Hypothyroidism?...

Since DHEA increases production of testosterone, it is thought to increase the

risk of testicular cancer in males. I would call that a significant side effect.

Chuck

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[Guest guest]

Steve,

You wrote:

>

> The higher a man's testosterone level, the less likely he is to get

> prostate cancer and the lower his risk of cardiovascular disease.

Not according to various recent studies I've read. For example, this was from

2004:

http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/Press_releases/2004/05_11b_04.html

There was another study released a year later in the Journal of Urology.

> ...I've never read where DHEA has a measurable affect on a man's

> testosterone level....

I have. Just try Googling it.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

I have read also that DHEA doesn't work too well raising T in men. I think

that was from MD.

Gracia

Steve,

You wrote:

>

> The higher a man's testosterone level, the less likely he is to get

> prostate cancer and the lower his risk of cardiovascular disease.

Not according to various recent studies I've read. For example, this was from

2004:

http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/Press_releases/2004/05_11b_04.html

There was another study released a year later in the Journal of Urology.

> ...I've never read where DHEA has a measurable affect on a man's

> testosterone level....

I have. Just try Googling it.

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gumboyaya@... wrote:

> Steve,

>

> You wrote:

>> The higher a man's testosterone level, the less likely he is to get

>> prostate cancer and the lower his risk of cardiovascular disease.

>

> Not according to various recent studies I've read. For example, this was from

2004:

> http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/Press_releases/2004/05_11b_04.html

>

> There was another study released a year later in the Journal of Urology.

>

> > ...I've never read where DHEA has a measurable affect on a man's

>> testosterone level....

>

> I have. Just try Googling it.

I'm slightly curious but from a personal example, my T levels were well

below 200 when I start supplementing. Testosterone replacement gives me

blood levels that average about 600. I take 100 mg/day of DHEA. What

percentage of testosterone do you think is coming from DHEA conversion?

I'm guessing that if I were to stop DHEA for a year and retest my

testosterone level every month, that I wouldn't notice any decrease from

lack of DHEA conversion.

I googled " dhea men's testosterone levels " and got the following URL and

here's a quote on the cancer risks of DHEA in men:

Is DHEA Contraindicated in Men with Benign Prostatic Hypertrophy (BPH)

or Prostate Cancer? By Ward Dean, M.D.

http://www.vrp.com/articles.aspx?ProdID=art581 & zTYPE=2

<begin quote>

DHEA Levels in Patients with Prostate Cancer

Physicians at the Department of Urology, Institute of Experimental

Endocrinology at Humboldt University Medical School in Berlin, Germany,

found that DHEA levels in patients with prostate cancer were

significantly lower than healthy controls.(14) Their findings confirmed

Fehler, et als previous report that DHEA-S levels were decreased in

patients with prostate cancer.

Another interesting retrospective study conducted at s Hopkins

University involved the analysis of DHEA and DHEA-S levels in blood

serum that was collected and frozen in 1974 and the relationship of

these levels to the subsequent development of prostate cancer. DHEA and

DHEA-S levels for 81 men who were subsequently diagnosed with prostate

cancer were found to have 11% lower levels of DHEA and 12% lower levels

of DHEA-S compared to age-matched controls who did not develop prostate

cancer. The authors concluded that it seems unlikely that serum levels

of DHEA or DHEA-S are important risk factors for prostate cancer (5).

<end quote>

<begin quote>

Summary

From the above review, the following conclusions appear to be clear:

1. The incidence of prostate disease increases with age.

2. Testosterone levels decrease with age.

3. Physiologic replacement doses of DHEA do not raise testosterone

levels in men.

4. The link between high levels of testosterone and prostate disease is

not without question.

5. In vitro growth of human and rat prostate cancer cells is inhibited

by DHEA -- and the higher the concentration of DHEA, the greater is the

inhibition of growth!

6. Patients with prostate cancer have lower levels of DHEA and DHEA-S

than age-matched controls, as confirmed by three independent studies.

7. DHEA (and perhaps testosterone) are not contraindicated, and, in

fact, should be considered for the therapy of prostate disease.

<end quote>

>

> Chuck

Male Hormone Restoration

http://www.lef.org/protocols/male_reproductive/male_hormone_restoration_01.htm

<begin quote>

A Word about Testosterone and Prostate Disease

For more than 50 years, it has been thought that men should avoid

testosterone replacement therapy because testosterone increases the risk

of prostate disease, including BPH and prostate cancer. A look at the

published literature, however, reveals that this long-standing belief is

actually a myth.

In fact, a review of studies on the National Institutes of Health

database reveals that high testosterone levels are not associated with

increased risk of prostate cancer and, conversely, that low testosterone

levels are not protective against prostate cancer (Morgentaler A 2006).

In one study (with a 7-year follow-up) of more than 500 men, high levels

of androgens were associated with a decreased risk of aggressive

prostate cancer, while there was no change in the risk of nonaggressive

prostate cancer. Overall, levels of any steroid hormones (except

estrogen) had no correlation to the risk of prostate cancer (Severi G et

al 2006).

Elevated estrogen levels, however, are frequently associated with BPH.

As readers of Life Extension magazine learned in late 1997, estrogen has

been identified as a factor behind the enlargement of the prostate gland

that affects so many older men. Compared to younger males, older males

have much more estradiol (a potent form of estrogen) than free

testosterone because of aromatase activity. These rising estrogen and

declining androgen levels are even more sharply defined in the prostate

gland. With aging, estrogen levels increase significantly in the

prostate gland. Estrogen levels in prostate gland tissues rise even

higher in men who have BPH (Shibata Y et al 2000; Gann PH et al 1995;

Krieg M et al 1993).

<end quote>

<begin quote>

Effects of Age-Related Decline in Testosterone Levels

The exact causes of the age-related reduction in testosterone levels is

not known; it is probably the result of a combination of factors,

including increased body fat (and therefore increased aromatase

activity), oxidative damage to tissues responsible for the production of

testosterone, and declining levels of precursor molecules such as DHEA.

The results of the decline, however, are strikingly apparent.

Nervous system effects. Low testosterone levels have been associated

with depression and other psychological disorders (Barrett-Connor E et

al 1999b; Rabkin JG et al 1999; Schweiger U et al 1999; Seidman SN et al

1999; Moger WH 1980). In addition, many conventional antidepressants

suppress libido. Some experts recommend that patients whose reduced

libido is caused by taking antidepressants undergo testing to have their

testosterone levels checked—and that they get supplemental treatment if

necessary. Others suggest that testosterone therapy might reduce the

need for the antidepressants themselves (Goldstat R et al 2003; Morley

JE 2003). Feelings of well-being are often reported with testosterone

treatment (Carnahan RM et al 2004; Dunning TL et al 2004; Orengo CA et

al 2004; JV et al 1999).

Cognition and alertness are also governed in part by testosterone’s

effects on the central nervous system (Cherrier MM et al 2004; Cherrier

MM et al 2001; Janowsky JS et al 2000). Low testosterone levels have

been shown to correlate with lower scores on various psychometric tests

(Moffat SD et al 2002; Barrett-Connor E et al 1999a; Janowsky JS et al

1994). Similar effects have been reported in men taking

androgen-deprivation therapy for prostate cancer (Salminen EK et al

2004). Testosterone’s ability to protect nerve cells against a variety

of toxins, including oxidative stress (Ahlbom E et al 2001) and the

Alzheimer’s protein beta-amyloid (Zhang Y et al 2004; Hammond J et al

2001), may explain the low testosterone levels found in men who have

neurodegenerative diseases (Hogervorst E et al 2004; Okun MS et al 2004;

Ready RE et al 2004).

Sexual enjoyment and function. Falling levels of free testosterone

diminish sexual desire, as well as pleasure and performance in sexual

activity. There is evidence that, in men with low free testosterone

levels, replacement therapy can improve sexual function (Tenover JL

1998; RA et al 1992; Ahmed SR et al 1988; son JM et al 1982).

Cardiovascular disease and metabolic syndrome. There is a clear

relationship between low levels of testosterone and increased incidence

of cardiovascular disease, particularly as testosterone level relates to

metabolic syndrome (Dobrzycki S et al 2003; Hak AE et al 2002; Zhao SP

et al 1998; Jeppesen LL et al 1996). Metabolic syndrome is the

combination of abdominal obesity, high blood pressure, insulin

resistance, and lipid disorders in the same person. This condition is

associated with a high risk of cardiovascular disease. Studies have

shown that testosterone administration (500 milligrams [mg] of

intramuscular injections) in middle-aged, obese men was able to increase

insulin sensitivity (Marin P et al 1992a). These results were confirmed

in another study in which testosterone treatment led to reduced insulin

resistance (Marin P et al 1992b). Later studies also showed that

testosterone administration is helpful in the context of metabolic

syndrome (Bhasin S 2003; Boyanov MA et al 2003).

The musculoskeletal system. Bone integrity depends upon a balance

between bone formation and bone resorption, which are controlled by

multiple factors including estrogen and testosterone (Rucker D et al

2004; Tok EC et al 2004; Valimaki VV et al 2004). One clinical trial has

demonstrated that testosterone increases bone mineral density in elderly

men (van den Beld AW et al 2000). Testosterone supplementation also has

a positive effect on muscle metabolism and strength (Herbst KL et al

2004). The effect is undiminished with age, although older men have a

greater incidence of adverse effects.

<end quote>

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Of course there are Œside effects¹ to EVERY hormone your body needs that you

put into it or you would feel no results!

If you are low on thyroid hormone and tired, you take your hormone and you

FEEL maybe a bit hyper, or energtic or warm, etc.

It¹s all a matter of CORRECT dosing of CORRECT hormone.

sue

On 9/18/08 9:34 AM, " Gracia " <circe@...> wrote:

>

>

>

>

> IMO there are no " side effects " from taking a hormone that the body is low

> in. Thierry Hertoghe MD says that DHEA helps to prevent cancer in his book

> Hormone Solutions. also DHEA is an adrenal homrone which is thyroid

> supportive.

> Gracia

>

> ,

>

> You wrote:

>> > Are there any significant side effects to taking DHEA supplement while

>> being

>> > treating for Hypothyroidism?...

>

> Since DHEA increases production of testosterone, it is thought to increase the

> risk of testicular cancer in males. I would call that a significant side

> effect.

>

> Chuck

[Guest guest]

Gracia,

You wrote:

>

> I have read also that DHEA doesn't work too well raising T in men. I think

that > was from MD.

Some smaller studies on young men showed no change in serum T. However, in older

men, it tends to return T levels to that of much younger men. Here is one

example:

http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/119120528/abstract?CRETRY=1 & SRETRY=0

This one says it also increased estrogen levels in men, although still within

normal ranges:

http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/84/6/2170

The issue is whether the T levels of a 20 year old might be hazardous to a 60+

year old prostate.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

Steve, that position is controversial to say the least. Check out this

link, or many more on Google:

<http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:UvCw706CdgIJ:findarticles.com/p/articles/mi\

_m1200/is_15_168/ai_n15863556+testosterone+cancer & hl=en & ct=clnk & cd=9 & gl=us>

..

Quote:

>

>

> High *testosterone* linked to prostate *cancer* risk

>

>

> Science News <http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1200>, Oct

> 8, 2005 <http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1200/is_15_168>

>

> * E-mail

>

<http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1200/is_15_168/ai_n15863556/tell>

> * Print

>

<http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1200/is_15_168/ai_n15863556/print>

> * Link

> <http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1200/is_15_168/ai_n15863556#>

>

> Men with naturally high concentrations of *testosterone* in their

> blood face an elevated risk of prostate *cancer*, according to data

> collected since 1961. If *testosterone* concentrations that have been

> artificially elevated carry the same danger, then men who use hormone

> supplements to combat age-related problems could be in for trouble,

> says a group of Baltimore researchers.

>

> J. Kellogg Parsons of s Hopkins Medical Institutions in Baltimore

> and his colleagues used nearly 40 years of test results from 794 men

> to assess the relationship between prostate *cancer* and variations in

> blood concentrations of *testosterone*. All the volunteers were

> healthy and living in Baltimore when they joined the study decades

> ago, and each underwent multiple *testosterone* tests.

>

> The scientists found that men with the highest concentrations of

> what's known as free *testosterone* were 2.6 times as likely to get

> prostate *cancer* as were men with the lowest concentrations of that

> sex hormone.

>

> The link was less strong in men older than 45. Within that

> demographic, the subgroup with the highest free *testosterone* faced

> 1.9 times as great a *cancer* risk as the subgroup with the least of

> the hormone did. Physicians are most concerned about the effects of

> *testosterone* among older men because they're the group most likely

> to take synthetic *testosterone* for symptoms such as declining libido

> (SN: 5/10/03, p. 296).

>

> " [O]lder men receiving *testosterone* therapy should be carefully

> monitored for the development of ... prostate *cancer*, " the

> researchers say in the September *Cancer* Epidemiology Biomarkers &

> Prevention.--B.H.

>

> COPYRIGHT 2005 Science Service, Inc.

> COPYRIGHT 2005 Gale Group

>

End of quote.

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> Wed Sep 17, 2008 5:56 pm (PDT)

>

>

>

> gumboyaya@... <mailto:gumboyaya%40cox.net> wrote:

> > ,

> >

> > You wrote:

> >> Are there any significant side effects to taking DHEA supplement

> while being

> >> treating for Hypothyroidism?

> ...

> >

> > Since DHEA increases production of testosterone, it is thought to

> increase the risk of testicular cancer in males. I would call that a

> significant side effect.

> >

> > Chuck

>

> The higher a man's testosterone level, the less likely he is to get

> prostate cancer and the lower his risk of cardiovascular disease. I've

> never read where DHEA has a measurable affect on a man's testosterone

> level. It often can have important effects on a woman's testosterone

> levels.

>

> I actually inject testosterone every week and take 100 mg/day of DHEA.

> My DHEA level is midrange, not as high as I would like it, and my

> testosterone is calculated to keep me in the upper third of the normal

> lab reference range, the optimal position.

>

> --

>

> Steve - dudescholar4@... <mailto:dudescholar4%40basicmail.net>

[Guest guest]

I don't consider it a side effect when I am taking a medication for a specific

condition and it treats me for that condition.  I consider that the reason or

purpose for why i am taking that specific med.  

>> > Are there any significant side effects to taking DHEA supplement while

>> being

>> > treating for Hypothyroidism? ...

>

> Since DHEA increases production of testosterone, it is thought to increase the

> risk of testicular cancer in males. I would call that a significant side

> effect.

>

> Chuck

[Guest guest]

That is a side effect. A side effect of thyroid hormone is hyperactivity,

and flushed skin if you take too much hormone.

-- Re: Levothyroxin and DHEA

I don't consider it a side effect when I am taking a medication for a

specific condition and it treats me for that condition. I consider that the

reason or purpose for why i am taking that specific med.

>> > Are there any significant side effects to taking DHEA supplement while

>> being

>> > treating for Hypothyroidism? ...

>

> Since DHEA increases production of testosterone, it is thought to increase

the

> risk of testicular cancer in males. I would call that a significant side

> effect.

>

> Chuck

[Guest guest]

wrong dose is not a " side effect " .

Gracia

That is a side effect. A side effect of thyroid hormone is hyperactivity,

and flushed skin if you take too much hormone.

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That answers shows that you have no concept of the pharmacology of any

medicine, hormone or supplement.

They all have side effects. Deal with it. Look up the side effects of Armour

Maybe you might learn something....

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It's very common that if you take too much of a hormone or med you need, you

will get side effects, thus I said, you must have the CORRECT dose.

If you get pounding heart, sweats, palps from too much Cytomel, that's a

side effect, not proper treatment results.

It's a clarification just so people realize not everything that happens to

them when they swallow a pill is what should happen and to be on the look

out for such side effects that can be very danerous.

sue

On 9/18/08 10:13 PM, " Comerford " <cumocumocumo@...> wrote:

> I don't consider it a side effect when I am taking a medication for a specific

> condition and it treats me for that condition.  I consider that the reason or

> purpose for why i am taking that specific med.  

>

>

>

>>>> Are there any significant side effects to taking DHEA supplement while

>

>>> being

>

>>>> treating for Hypothyroidism? ...

>

>>

>

>> Since DHEA increases production of testosterone, it is thought to increase

>> the

>

>> risk of testicular cancer in males. I would call that a significant side

>

>> effect.

>

>>

>

>> Chuck

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

All drugs/hormones have side effects.

A ³side effect² DOES occur when you take wrong dose.

See previous message on this.

Done.

Sue

On 9/18/08 11:36 PM, " Gracia " <circe@...> wrote:

>

>

>

>

> wrong dose is not a " side effect " .

> Gracia

>

> That is a side effect. A side effect of thyroid hormone is hyperactivity,

> and flushed skin if you take too much hormone.

>

> -- Re: Levothyroxin and DHEA

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EXACTLY.

And besides, anyone educated in taking in anything in the body,

has a sdie effect of some type ­ not all are ³bad² but most are.

sue

On 9/18/08 10:25 PM, " Nancie Barnett " <deifspirit@...> wrote:

>

>

> That is a side effect. A side effect of thyroid hormone is hyperactivity,

> and flushed skin if you take too much hormone.

>

> -- Re: Levothyroxin and DHEA

> hypothyroidism <mailto:hypothyroidism%40>

> Date: Thursday, September 18, 2008, 1:37 PM

>

>

> .

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[Guest guest]

Hi, Sue. Don't confuse " side effects " with primary [or intended]

effects. If you take an aspirin for a headache and it relieves the

discomfort then that is the _intended_ effect. It it also upsets you

stomach that is a side effect. Of course, side effects can also be

beneficial.

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<mailto:eastodurango@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Levothyroxin%20and%20DHEA>

> jesse11111111111 <jesse11111111111>

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> Thu Sep 18, 2008 11:37 am (PDT)

>

> Of course there are Œside effects¹ to EVERY hormone your body needs

> that you

> put into it or you would feel no results!

> If you are low on thyroid hormone and tired, you take your hormone and you

> FEEL maybe a bit hyper, or energtic or warm, etc.

>

> It¹s all a matter of CORRECT dosing of CORRECT hormone.

>

> sue

>

> On 9/18/08 9:34 AM, " Gracia " <circe@...

> <mailto:circe%40fairpoint.net>> wrote:

>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > IMO there are no " side effects " from taking a hormone that the body

> is low

> > in. Thierry Hertoghe MD says that DHEA helps to prevent cancer in

> his book

> > Hormone Solutions. also DHEA is an adrenal homrone which is thyroid

> > supportive.

> > Gracia

[Guest guest]

What describes is the INTENDED effect; not a side effect. What

Sue describes is a side effect as long as it is not the primary [or

intended] purpose of the medication. IOW, if the purpose of the

medication was to make you feel " hyper, or energetic or warm " then that

would be primary rather than side effect. However, I don't understand

that to be the purpose of the hormone and if I'm correct then it is a

side effect.

Regards,

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>

>

> Thu Sep 18, 2008 8:25 pm (PDT)

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> That is a side effect. A side effect of thyroid hormone is hyperactivity,

> and flushed skin if you take too much hormone.

>

> -- Re: Levothyroxin and DHEA

> hypothyroidism

> <mailto:hypothyroidism%40>

> Date: Thursday, September 18, 2008, 1:37 PM

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> Of course there are ¼side effects¹ to EVERY hormone your body

> needs that you

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> put into it or you would feel no results!

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> If you are low on thyroid hormone and tired, you take your hormone and

> you

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> FEEL maybe a bit hyper, or energtic or warm, etc.

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> It¹s all a matter of CORRECT dosing of CORRECT hormone.

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> sue

[Guest guest]

A wrong dose can certainly have side effects; as a matter of fact is

much more likely to, especially in the case of over dose. Here is a

typical description of " side effect " :

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> A peripheral or secondary effect, especially an undesirable secondary

> effect of a drug or therapeutic regimen.

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> Posted by: " Gracia " circe@...

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<mailto:circe@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Levothyroxin%20and%20DHEA>

> graciabee <graciabee>

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> Thu Sep 18, 2008 9:37 pm (PDT)

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> wrong dose is not a " side effect " .

> Gracia

[Guest guest]

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I am not confusing it.

A primary effect of Thryoid hormone is NOT sweats, palps, rapid heart beat,

high BP, etc. that is a SIDE effect.

Are you really missing this? Or just doing your <ggg> thing?

HA HA!

Sue

On 9/19/08 8:57 AM, " " <res075oh@...> wrote:

> Hi, Sue. Don't confuse " side effects " with primary [or intended]

> effects. If you take an aspirin for a headache and it relieves the

> discomfort then that is the _intended_ effect. It it also upsets you

> stomach that is a side effect. Of course, side effects can also be

> beneficial.

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> Regards,

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>>

>> Posted by: " eastodurango@... "

>> eastodurango@...

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>> <mailto:eastodurango@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Levothyroxin%20and%20DH

>> EA>

>> jesse11111111111 <jesse11111111111>

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>> Thu Sep 18, 2008 11:37 am (PDT)

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>> Of course there are Œside effects¹ to EVERY hormone your body needs

>> that you

>> put into it or you would feel no results!

>> If you are low on thyroid hormone and tired, you take your hormone and you

>> FEEL maybe a bit hyper, or energtic or warm, etc.

>>

>> It¹s all a matter of CORRECT dosing of CORRECT hormone.

>>

>> sue

>>

>> On 9/18/08 9:34 AM, " Gracia " <circe@...

>> <mailto:circe%40fairpoint.net>> wrote:

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>>> IMO there are no " side effects " from taking a hormone that the body

>> is low

>>> in. Thierry Hertoghe MD says that DHEA helps to prevent cancer in

>> his book

>>> Hormone Solutions. also DHEA is an adrenal homrone which is thyroid

>>> supportive.

>>> Gracia

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[Guest guest]

You are repeating what I wrote at least 3 times and then ask if I am

confusing it with intended effects.

Tooooooooooooooo funny.

sue

On 9/19/08 9:36 AM, " " <res075oh@...> wrote:

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> A wrong dose can certainly have side effects; as a matter of fact is

> much more likely to, especially in the case of over dose. Here is a

> typical description of " side effect " :

> .

>> > A peripheral or secondary effect, especially an undesirable secondary

>> > effect of a drug or therapeutic regimen.

> .

>

> .

[Guest guest]

Hmm, what did he describe? I was under the assumption that it was a negative

side effect. Rapid heart rate for example is NOT a beneficial side effect

of thyroid hormone. Or flushed skin or jitteriness. Or hand tremors- these

are negative side effects of thyroid hormone which occurs when the dose is

too high.

-- Re: Levothyroxin and DHEA

> hypothyroidism

> <mailto:hypothyroidism%40>

> Date: Thursday, September 18, 2008, 1:37 PM

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> Of course there are ¼side effects¹ to EVERY hormone your body

> needs that you

>

> put into it or you would feel no results!

>

> If you are low on thyroid hormone and tired, you take your hormone and

> you

>

> FEEL maybe a bit hyper, or energtic or warm, etc.

>

>

>

> It¹s all a matter of CORRECT dosing of CORRECT hormone.

>

>

>

> sue

[Guest guest]

If you read ' message you will see that he says " if " those symptoms were

the intended effect of the medication, than the medication's primary effect is

positive.  I believe he stated it in this fashion more for purposes of

describing his point.  Don't take things so literally. 

 

Sue, no need to get so defensive.  This listserve should be about helping each

other not insulting them.  If we create that environment in here people are

going to be afraid to ask their questions.  A supportive environment is what we

should all work for in here.  Some of us have suffered from Hypothyroidism for

25 while others, like myself, were just diagnosed six months ago. There are

things that i do not understand about it but I don't want to be afraid to ask

questions because someone is going to make me feel stupid.

 

> From: eastodurango@ earthlink. net <mailto:eastodurang o%40earthlink. net>

> <eastodurango@ earthlink. net <mailto:eastodurang o%40earthlink. net>>

> Subject: Re: Levothyroxin and DHEA

> hypothyroidism

> <mailto:hypothyroid ism%40group s.com>

> Date: Thursday, September 18, 2008, 1:37 PM

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> Of course there are ¼side effects¹ to EVERY hormone your body

> needs that you

>

> put into it or you would feel no results!

>

> If you are low on thyroid hormone and tired, you take your hormone and

> you

>

> FEEL maybe a bit hyper, or energtic or warm, etc.

>

>

>

> It¹s all a matter of CORRECT dosing of CORRECT hormone.

>

>

>

> sue