Re: Levothyroxin and DHEA

[Guest guest]

You raise an interesting point though . Do you think the majority of us are

hard headed because we haven't felt our best and perhaps that has influenced our

personalities?

From: <res075oh@...>

Subject: Re: Levothyroxin and DHEA

hypothyroidism

Date: Friday, September 19, 2008, 10:45 PM

Please don't call names. Calling names really tells us nothing

about

the person of whom you speak. But it really could give people a bad

impression of you; and I don't want that to happen. I appreciate the

" defense " of my statements from which you perceived I was being attacked

[possibly, anyway]; but I'm a big boy now and when Sue or anyone else

points out one of my irritating habits it's probably a good time for me

to learn something.

Like I just posted, we fuss and fight here sometimes like family.

Please don't take my " grumpiness " or that of anyone else too seriously.

We really DO try to help each other; but we have such widely varying

approaches that it sometimes causes fireworks. However, you're likely

to find that some people here do not speak with the precision that you

do, which leads to confusion. And nearly everybody except me is

hard-headed! [ggg]

..

..

> It's always some know-it-all jerk

[Guest guest]

no I really mean it! I think something is very wrong with you. you will

have to deal with it eventually.

gracia

Gracia,

Thanks for your very mature, sensitive, empathetic response.

You are a true role model for us all.

Sue

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[Guest guest]

H-E-DOUBLE L, I love to argue ­ and -- complain.

But I really do mean no harm.

It¹s just an art I have perfected :-)

I guess we need to find someone new to argue with LOL!

Oh wait, there¹s always that one..................who shall remain un-named

unless wants to tell and get in trouble.

sue

On 9/19/08 10:51 PM, " Comerford " <cumocumocumo@...> wrote:

>

>

>

> sue...i don't despise you.  I think i'm understanding you more already. You

> have to admit though, it was somewhat entertaining to argue!!!! I take back

> all that i said.

>

[Guest guest]

I know you mean it ­ that¹s the irony.

sue

On 9/19/08 10:57 PM, " Gracia " <circe@...> wrote:

>

>

>

>

> no I really mean it! I think something is very wrong with you. you will

> have to deal with it eventually.

> gracia

>

> Gracia,

>

> Thanks for your very mature, sensitive, empathetic response.

> You are a true role model for us all.

> Sue

>

[Guest guest]

,

Allow me to ³take this one² for a moment.

Matt, I think it¹s our personalities actually that have made us unwell to

begin with.

Stress, overwork, lack of downtime, poor eating habits, rushing, etc.

lead to overall illness of mind, body and spirit and before we know it we

are imprisoned by both -

I recently found out my Adrenal Glands are totally burned out ­ almost at

ground 0.

(which is not good)

SO I went on something called the Schwarzbein program and threw

in some Yoga and TCM and lately I feel better than I did in my 30¹s ‹

I am 50, by the way.

So, while for some it takes a very high-end life changing

event to get them to change, for me it was realizing that

my two kids have only me in this entire world ­ they are

20 and 14 since I basically raised them alone.

I am remarried now but am their only living

blood relative ‹ how scary is THAT?

(I actually had the life-changing event years

ago when my daughter at 10 went thru brain

and spinal surgeries but I was so in shock and shut down

emotionally I did not realize what it had done to my overall

health until recently and just when I thought things were

³cool² that¹s when I found out my adrenal glands shut down from all that

stress.)

Which caused the hypoT, the high cholesterol, etc.

So I had to get on the stick, the ball, the stickball,

whatever and get myself into healing mode.

That started for me in June of this year for me and is progressing much

better than I had hoped for or imagined.

I do have a ³bit² of stubborn-ness and I am opinioned

as most of us are, but I do listen and I do take heed

but I don¹t take the temper tantrums to heart any longer.

And I also keep trying when someone does not get my point ­

not to change their mind, but just to make sure they

³get² what I was saying and then I move on.

Unless of course, they want to argure, then I can¹t

turn that opportunity down! ;-)

Sue

On 9/19/08 10:57 PM, " Comerford " <cumocumocumo@...> wrote:

>

>

>

> You raise an interesting point though . Do you think the majority of us

> are hard headed because we haven't felt our best and perhaps that has

> influenced our personalities?

[Guest guest]

So do you take anything for your adrenal issues?  The adrenal is what keyed me

off on the thyroid as i was having some severe panic and anxiety attacks out of

nowhere..I know constant stress ate away at my adrenal hormone supply and though

i never actually had that part checked i am sure that it was very low

You have an interesting story. I can understand why your adrenal supply was non

existent with all of that going on.

>

>

>

> You raise an interesting point though . Do you think the majority of us

> are hard headed because we haven't felt our best and perhaps that has

> influenced our personalities?

[Guest guest]

Well, it works! ROFLMAO... [er, I mean the humor/stress relief]

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..

>

> Posted by: " eastodurango@... "

> eastodurango@...

>

<mailto:eastodurango@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Levothyroxin%20and%20DHEA>

> jesse11111111111 <jesse11111111111>

>

>

> Fri Sep 19, 2008 7:15 pm (PDT)

>

> Oh, no, Matt -- you didn¹t get the memo?

> No no no no......the purpose of this board is to convince

> everyone to take massive doses of iodine and armour.

> Others of us are just here for the stress relief.

>

> sue

[Guest guest]

Aw, c'mon... It's time to kiss and make up! [ggg]

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>

> Posted by: " Gracia " circe@...

>

<mailto:circe@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Levothyroxin%20and%20DHEA>

> graciabee <graciabee>

>

>

> Fri Sep 19, 2008 8:33 pm (PDT)

>

>

> I think she means a lot of harm and is quite ill.

> Gracia

>

> Hi, . Some of us have been around here long enough to squabble

> like family. I have to stop and check sometimes to make sure I'm not

> married to Sue! [ggg] She means no harm...

>

>

>

> PS: If I've misguaged her sense of humor stand by for the explosion! [ggg]

> .

[Guest guest]

Hi Matt,

Yes, let me clarify.

I started meds for the HypoT and Hashimotos back in 2002 but paid no heed to

anything else going on.

After 2005/2006 when I came out of my " shock " that's when I started feeling

" werid. " I would have panic-like attacks, anxiety, intermittant insonmnia,

depression, got the high cholesterol, unexplained weight gain, etc.

Of course all docs say: tranquilizers and antidepressants.

Yeah, I tried that. Not happy with it.

I kept researching and getting tests like hair analysis, saliva, blood and

urine, quizzes, anything I could do to find out what had changed in me.

And then I realized: everything.

I had stopped eating properly, sleeping properly, exercising enough, resting

enough, and I was not treating my adrenals. I was using sugar and caffeine.

I do take two things for my adrenals and this is after about about 2 years

of intensive testing, reading, consulitng with naturopaths, nutritionists,

homeopaths, and medical doctors, along with boards like this, friends, and

MD's.

I take Ashwagandah and Rehmania. 1/2 teaspoon of each per day. They are a

liquid solution I put in juice or decaf coffee.

They are herbs that help the body deal with stress.

If you google them you will find TONS of good stuff about them and almost

nothing " bad " or none at all.

I have had no ill side effects and I now deal with things much better, I cut

back my work hours, I joined a gym, do the Yoga and eat Organic foods.

I cut out wheat as well -- and am working on the sugar -- I still get those

cravings but Schwazbein says that's totally normal when you are healing your

adrenals which can take 1 to 2 years depending on how much they are damaged.

Usually I go with fruit but sometimes I just have to have chocolate... For

shame (!) LOL.

All in all, I can say of all the things I tried and all the books I read,

the Ashwagandah and Rehmania have worked the best for me. There are many who

take other stuff and that works very well for them -- but as of right now I

can say I have almost no complaints - even the panic and anxiety has

lessened and become very manageable with little Rx intervention.

The sad part in all this is that the thyroid is not even supposed to be

treated until we heal the adrenals but doctors don't check that first -- and

by the time we find that out -- they are about shot. Thyroid meds with

burned out adrenals are basically toxic to the adrenals -they increase or

trigger adrenaline which is the last thing burned out adrenals need.

I can already tell my thyroid is doing better -- I have had to cut back on

my meds already in just a few months. The ashwagandah also helps the body

convert t4 to t3 which was what I was always low in and supplemented with

t3, aka, cytomel but no longer need to do that to get the warmth and energy

I once did.

It's a long process and we have to be patient, cautious in what we do take

and mindful that once we do heal, not to back slide and think we can get

away with killing ourselves again.

From 2005/2006 during the year of surgeries for my little girl, and all the

week-long hospitals stays and all the tests and stressors of waiting for her

to heal, I basically lived on caffiene and adrenaline. Sleep was not an

option nor was nutrition.

I also run my own business so I was working 10-12 hours days as well and

often bedside at the hospital while she slept.

I have since learned enough is enough and instead of prioritizing my

schedule, I now schedule my priorities.

It's all a learning process and all I can say is do what works for you and

not just because someone else -- doctor or layman, insists it's what you

need.

Sue

On 9/19/08 11:17 PM, " Comerford " <cumocumocumo@...> wrote:

> So do you take anything for your adrenal issues?  The adrenal is what keyed me

> off on the thyroid as i was having some severe panic and anxiety attacks out

> of nowhere..I know constant stress ate away at my adrenal hormone supply and

> though i never actually had that part checked i am sure that it was very low

>

> You have an interesting story. I can understand why your adrenal supply was

> non existent with all of that going on.

>

>

>

>

>

>>

>

>>

>

>>

>

>> You raise an interesting point though . Do you think the majority of us

>

>> are hard headed because we haven't felt our best and perhaps that has

>

>> influenced our personalities?

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

She says; dripping sarcasm from every pore...

I think I'm gonna have to spank both of you! [ggg]

..

..

>

> Posted by: " eastodurango@... "

> eastodurango@...

>

<mailto:eastodurango@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Levothyroxin%20and%20DHEA>

> jesse11111111111 <jesse11111111111>

>

>

> Fri Sep 19, 2008 8:39 pm (PDT)

>

> Gracia,

>

> Thanks for your very mature, sensitive, empathetic response.

> You are a true role model for us all.

> Sue

>

> On 9/19/08 10:33 PM, " Gracia " <circe@...

> <mailto:circe%40fairpoint.net>> wrote:

>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > I think she means a lot of harm and is quite ill.

> > Gracia

> >

> > Hi, . Some of us have been around here long enough to squabble

> > like family. I have to stop and check sometimes to make sure I'm not

> > married to Sue! [ggg] She means no harm...

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

HA HA HA.

You need to join ANOTHER board for THAT one :-)

sue

On 9/19/08 11:40 PM, " " <res075oh@...> wrote:

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>

>

> Aw, c'mon... It's time to kiss and make up! [ggg]

>

>

> .

> .

>

>> >

>> > Posted by: " Gracia " circe@...

>> <mailto:circe%40fairpoint.net>

>> > <mailto:circe@... <mailto:circe%40fairpoint.net>

>> <mailto:circe@... > ?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Levothyroxin%20and%20DHEA>

>> > graciabee <graciabee>

>> >

>> >

>> > Fri Sep 19, 2008 8:33 pm (PDT)

>> >

>> >

>> > I think she means a lot of harm and is quite ill.

>> > Gracia

>> >

[Guest guest]

Ok, you really are on the wrong site for that, mister!

I¹m gonna have to put a noose around

your neck and get out the whips and chains!

:-O

Sue

On 9/19/08 11:43 PM, " " <res075oh@...> wrote:

>

>

>

> She says; dripping sarcasm from every pore...

>

> I think I'm gonna have to spank both of you! [ggg]

>

>

> .

> .

>

>> >

>> > Posted by: " eastodurango@...

>> <mailto:eastodurango%40earthlink.net> "

>> > eastodurango@... <mailto:eastodurango%40earthlink.net>

>> > <mailto:eastodurango@...

>> <mailto:eastodurango%40earthlink.net> <mailto:eastodurango@... >

>> ?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Levothyroxin%20and%20DHEA>

>> > jesse11111111111 <jesse11111111111>

>> >

>> >

>> > Fri Sep 19, 2008 8:39 pm (PDT)

>> >

>> > Gracia,

>> >

>> > Thanks for your very mature, sensitive, empathetic response.

>> > You are a true role model for us all.

>> > Sue

>> >

[Guest guest]

Maybe, just maybe, we women take offense to unloving statements made by you

men and vice versa you men take offense to some disrespectful statements

made by one of us pretty girls. So as family should, and there are a lot of

youngsters in this group as far as " age " is concerned, you should try and

get into the groove of the group rather than take offense to statements

made by people on here because most of us mean NO harm (yes I am yelling).

I love to be loved on here! So let's keep the peace family okay?

CW

-- Re: Re: Levothyroxin and DHEA

Omg, now that is funny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why do people always equate a little squabbling to marriage LOL!

Let¹s not discourage any unmarried folks

on the board to think that¹s all marriage leads to. ;-)

Off topic, ooooooooooooops!

sue

On 9/19/08 10:24 PM, " " <res075oh@...> wrote:

>

>

>

> Hi, . Some of us have been around here long enough to squabble

> like family. I have to stop and check sometimes to make sure I'm not

> married to Sue! [ggg] She means no harm...

>

>

>

> PS: If I've misguaged her sense of humor stand by for the explosion! [ggg]

[Guest guest]

He is so level headed, but yet he's been in time out so many times. What's

up with that?

CW

-- Re: Levothyroxin and DHEA

hypothyroidism

Date: Friday, September 19, 2008, 10:45 PM

Please don't call names. Calling names really tells us nothing about

the person of whom you speak. But it really could give people a bad

impression of you; and I don't want that to happen. I appreciate the

" defense " of my statements from which you perceived I was being attacked

[possibly, anyway]; but I'm a big boy now and when Sue or anyone else

points out one of my irritating habits it's probably a good time for me

to learn something.

Like I just posted, we fuss and fight here sometimes like family.

Please don't take my " grumpiness " or that of anyone else too seriously.

We really DO try to help each other; but we have such widely varying

approaches that it sometimes causes fireworks. However, you're likely

to find that some people here do not speak with the precision that you

do, which leads to confusion. And nearly everybody except me is

hard-headed! [ggg]

..

..

> It's always some know-it-all jerk

[Guest guest]

No, that wasn't his original post. That was a reply to sue's who had

commented to his original post.

-- Re: Levothyroxin and DHEA

> >

> > I don't consider it a side effect when I am taking a medication for a

> > specific condition and it treats me for that condition. I consider

> > that the

> > reason or purpose for why i am taking that specific med.

[Guest guest]

- if you take too much or too high of a dose then that hormone is going

to cause side effects. That is common sense. There is no unlimited dose for

any hormone in the human body. You can take too much of a good thing.

-- Re: Levothyroxin and DHEA

I think this part of your post caused me to think that perhaps you were

confusing intended effects with side effects. I don't see how it follows

that every hormone causes side effects; and that is what I thought you

were saying.

Other than that, as you can see from my other posts [AFAIK] I agreed

with you.

..

..

> Of course there are Œside effects¹ to EVERY hormone your body needs

> >> that you

> >> put into it or you would feel no results!

------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

Mathew-

I am NOT sue. I am nancie. Did you not read the header to my post?

Excuse me but I am a medical provider and I have to take things literally. I

will take thing as literal as I want.

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> hypothyroidism

> <mailto:hypothyroid ism%40group s.com>

> Date: Thursday, September 18, 2008, 1:37 PM

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Of course there are ¼side effects¹ to EVERY hormone your body

> needs that you

>

> put into it or you would feel no results!

>

> If you are low on thyroid hormone and tired, you take your hormone and

> you

>

> FEEL maybe a bit hyper, or energtic or warm, etc.

>

>

>

> It¹s all a matter of CORRECT dosing of CORRECT hormone.

>

>

>

> sue

[Guest guest]

Matt-

If you notice she has a smile at the end of her message. Can't YOU take a

joke?

BTW sue is not a grump.

-- Re: Levothyroxin and DHEA

>

> What describes is the INTENDED effect; not a side effect. What

> Sue describes is a side effect as long as it is not the primary [or

> intended] purpose of the medication. IOW, if the purpose of the

> medication was to make you feel " hyper, or energetic or warm " then that

> would be primary rather than side effect. However, I don't understand

> that to be the purpose of the hormone and if I'm correct then it is a

> side effect.

>

> Regards,

>

[Guest guest]

Matt-

Now WHO is being the jerk??

-- Re: Levothyroxin and DHEA

>

> What describes is the INTENDED effect; not a side effect. What

> Sue describes is a side effect as long as it is not the primary [or

> intended] purpose of the medication. IOW, if the purpose of the

> medication was to make you feel " hyper, or energetic or warm " then that

> would be primary rather than side effect. However, I don't understand

> that to be the purpose of the hormone and if I'm correct then it is a

> side effect.

>

> Regards,

>

[Guest guest]

Gracia- people could say the same thing about you.....

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I think she means a lot of harm and is quite ill.

Gracia

Hi, . Some of us have been around here long enough to squabble

like family. I have to stop and check sometimes to make sure I'm not

married to Sue! [ggg] She means no harm...

PS: If I've misguaged her sense of humor stand by for the explosion! [ggg]

..

..

>

>

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[Guest guest]

is NOT the one who said there are no side effects---GRACIA did.

If you¹re gonna ³correct² someone, and

God knows we already all gave it a try, pick the right person:

From: Gracia <circe@...>

> Reply-<hypothyroidism >

> Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 10:34:22 -0400

> <hypothyroidism >

>

Subject: Re: Levothyroxin and DHEA³IMO there are no " side

effects " from taking a hormone that the body is low in.

On 9/20/08 2:01 AM, " Nancie Barnett " <deifspirit@...> wrote:

>

>

> - if you take too much or too high of a dose then that hormone is going

> to cause side effects. That is common sense. There is no unlimited dose for

> any hormone in the human body. You can take too much of a good thing.

[Guest guest]

Thanks Nancie, I really appreciate those who

did say something about all that nasty stuff.

I think he is past it now...

sue

On 9/20/08 2:16 AM, " Nancie Barnett " <deifspirit@...> wrote:

>

>

>

> Matt-

> If you notice she has a smile at the end of her message. Can't YOU take a

> joke?

> BTW sue is not a grump.

>

> -- Re: Re: Levothyroxin and DHEA

>

> You are really a delightful person Sue. I think your thyroid must still be

> out of whack because you are a grump.

[Guest guest]

Sue-

wrote this: I don't see how it follows

That every hormone causes side effects; "

So, then I replied:

If you take too much or too high of a dose then that hormone is going to

cause side effects. That is common sense. There is no unlimited dose for any

hormone in the human body. You can take too much of a good thing. "

But, at this point we have a scenario of : " who's on first...... LOL

-- Re: Levothyroxin and DHEA³IMO there are no " side

effects " from taking a hormone that the body is low in.

On 9/20/08 2:01 AM, " Nancie Barnett " <deifspirit@...> wrote:

>

>

> - if you take too much or too high of a dose then that hormone is

going

> to cause side effects. That is common sense. There is no unlimited dose

for

> any hormone in the human body. You can take too much of a good thing.

[Guest guest]

I know, it sure quickly steam-rolled into a crazy major-league name-calling

fiasco.

What a group.

LOL

Sue

On 9/20/08 12:12 PM, " Nancie Barnett " <deifspirit@...> wrote:

>

>

>

> Sue-

> wrote this: I don't see how it follows

> That every hormone causes side effects; "

> So, then I replied:

> If you take too much or too high of a dose then that hormone is going to

> cause side effects. That is common sense. There is no unlimited dose for any

> hormone in the human body. You can take too much of a good thing. "

>

> But, at this point we have a scenario of : " who's on first...... LOL

>

[Guest guest]

SELF-Discipline is really ALL that's needed.

Dan Kukulka, PhD

On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 2:03 PM, eastodurango@... <

eastodurango@...> wrote:

> I know, it sure quickly steam-rolled into a crazy major-league

> name-calling

> fiasco.

> What a group.

> LOL

>

> Sue

>

> On 9/20/08 12:12 PM, " Nancie Barnett "

<deifspirit@...<deifspirit%40msn.com>>

> wrote:

>

> >

> >

> >

> > Sue-

> > wrote this: I don't see how it follows

> > That every hormone causes side effects; "

> > So, then I replied:

> > If you take too much or too high of a dose then that hormone is going to

> > cause side effects. That is common sense. There is no unlimited dose for

> any

> > hormone in the human body. You can take too much of a good thing. "

> >

> > But, at this point we have a scenario of : " who's on first...... LOL

> >

>

>