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Do you think a person who has asthma and is on advair for that condition,

but who also die as a result of the medication die as a side effect of

advair?

CW

-- Re: Levothyroxin and DHEA

I don't consider it a side effect when I am taking a medication for a

specific condition and it treats me for that condition. I consider that the

reason or purpose for why i am taking that specific med.

>> > Are there any significant side effects to taking DHEA supplement while

>> being

>> > treating for Hypothyroidism? ...

>

> Since DHEA increases production of testosterone, it is thought to increase

the

> risk of testicular cancer in males. I would call that a significant side

> effect.

>

> Chuck

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It would have to be a result of a side effect of the medication as

killing people is not the intended effect of Advair.  The side effect could be

caused by incorrect dosages as have been mentioned in earlier posts, allergic

reaction and so on.

>> > Are there any significant side effects to taking DHEA supplement while

>> being

>> > treating for Hypothyroidism? ...

>

> Since DHEA increases production of testosterone, it is thought to increase

the

> risk of testicular cancer in males. I would call that a significant side

> effect.

>

> Chuck

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Hi Matt,

No one can make you feel stupid.

And if gaining knowledge makes you feel stupid, then ......

Sue

On 9/19/08 11:51 AM, " Comerford " <cumocumocumo@...> wrote:

>

>

>

> If you read ' message you will see that he says " if " those symptoms were

> the intended effect of the medication, than the medication's primary effect is

> positive.  I believe he stated it in this fashion more for purposes of

> describing his point.  Don't take things so literally. 

>  

> Sue, no need to get so defensive.  This listserve should be about helping each

> other not insulting them.  If we create that environment in here people are

> going to be afraid to ask their questions.  A supportive environment is what

> we should all work for in here.  Some of us have suffered from Hypothyroidism

> for 25 while others, like myself, were just diagnosed six months ago. There

> are things that i do not understand about it but I don't want to be afraid to

> ask questions because someone is going to make me feel stupid.

>  

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> Maybe we should have a ³word of the day²

> or ³word of the week² and spend that time

> all coming to a mutual definition before

> we proceed on to hand-holding and singing Kum ba yah. :-)

>

> sue

>

>

> From:

> Date: 9/19/2008 7:09:05 AM

> hypothyroidism <mailto:hypothyroidism%40>

> Subject: Re: Levothyroxin and DHEA

>

> What describes is the INTENDED effect; not a side effect. What

> Sue describes is a side effect as long as it is not the primary [or

> intended] purpose of the medication. IOW, if the purpose of the

> medication was to make you feel " hyper, or energetic or warm " then that

> would be primary rather than side effect. However, I don't understand

> that to be the purpose of the hormone and if I'm correct then it is a

> side effect.

>

> Regards,

>

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You are really a delightful person Sue.  I think your thyroid must still be out

of whack because you are a grump.

From: eastodurango@... <eastodurango@...>

Subject: Re: Re: Levothyroxin and DHEA

hypothyroidism

Date: Friday, September 19, 2008, 1:50 PM

> Maybe we should have a ³word of the day²

> or ³word of the week² and spend that time

> all coming to a mutual definition before

> we proceed on to hand-holding and singing Kum ba yah. :-)

>

> sue

>

>

> From:

> Date: 9/19/2008 7:09:05 AM

> hypothyroidism <mailto:hypothyroid ism%40group

s.com>

> Subject: Re: Levothyroxin and DHEA

>

> What describes is the INTENDED effect; not a side effect. What

> Sue describes is a side effect as long as it is not the primary [or

> intended] purpose of the medication. IOW, if the purpose of the

> medication was to make you feel " hyper, or energetic or warm " then that

> would be primary rather than side effect. However, I don't understand

> that to be the purpose of the hormone and if I'm correct then it is a

> side effect.

>

> Regards,

>

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Pardon me Sue, but I thought the point of this list serve was to help and

support each other?  It's always some know-it-all jerk like you that has to ruin

for everyone.

From: eastodurango@... <eastodurango@...>

Subject: Re: Re: Levothyroxin and DHEA

hypothyroidism

Date: Friday, September 19, 2008, 1:50 PM

> Maybe we should have a ³word of the day²

> or ³word of the week² and spend that time

> all coming to a mutual definition before

> we proceed on to hand-holding and singing Kum ba yah. :-)

>

> sue

>

>

> From:

> Date: 9/19/2008 7:09:05 AM

> hypothyroidism <mailto:hypothyroid ism%40group

s.com>

> Subject: Re: Levothyroxin and DHEA

>

> What describes is the INTENDED effect; not a side effect. What

> Sue describes is a side effect as long as it is not the primary [or

> intended] purpose of the medication. IOW, if the purpose of the

> medication was to make you feel " hyper, or energetic or warm " then that

> would be primary rather than side effect. However, I don't understand

> that to be the purpose of the hormone and if I'm correct then it is a

> side effect.

>

> Regards,

>

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If you knew me you would love me ­ you just don¹t get my humor.

S¹okay, little Mr. ³name-caller.²

sue

On 9/19/08 2:08 PM, " Comerford " <cumocumocumo@...> wrote:

>

>

>

> You are really a delightful person Sue.  I think your thyroid must still be

> out of whack because you are a grump.

>

>

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Oh, no, Matt -- you didn¹t get the memo?

No no no no......the purpose of this board is to convince

everyone to take massive doses of iodine and armour.

Others of us are just here for the stress relief.

sue

On 9/19/08 2:10 PM, " Comerford " <cumocumocumo@...> wrote:

>

>

>

> Pardon me Sue, but I thought the point of this list serve was to help and

> support each other?  It's always some know-it-all jerk like you that has to

> ruin for everyone.

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I think this part of your post caused me to think that perhaps you were

confusing intended effects with side effects. I don't see how it follows

that every hormone causes side effects; and that is what I thought you

were saying.

Other than that, as you can see from my other posts [AFAIK] I agreed

with you.

..

..

> Of course there are Œside effects¹ to EVERY hormone your body needs

> >> that you

> >> put into it or you would feel no results!

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Sorry if I misunderstood you...

..

..

>

> Posted by: " eastodurango@... "

> eastodurango@...

>

<mailto:eastodurango@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Levothyroxin%20and%20DHEA>

> jesse11111111111 <jesse11111111111>

>

>

> Fri Sep 19, 2008 8:00 am (PDT)

>

> You are repeating what I wrote at least 3 times and then ask if I am

> confusing it with intended effects.

> Tooooooooooooooo funny.

>

> sue

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Here's his statement again:

..

>I don't consider it a side effect when I am taking a medication for a

> specific condition and it treats me for that condition. I consider

> that the

> reason or purpose for why i am taking that specific med.

..

..

He is clearly here describing intended effect; not side effect. Maybe

there was some other post I missed or forgot? AFAIK the side effects

you're quoting came from Sue, not .

..

..

> Posted by: " Nancie Barnett " deifspirit@...

> <mailto:deifspirit@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Levothyroxin%20and%20DHEA>

> aspenfairy1 <aspenfairy1>

>

>

> Fri Sep 19, 2008 9:10 am (PDT)

>

> Hmm, what did he describe? I was under the assumption that it was a

> negative

> side effect. Rapid heart rate for example is NOT a beneficial side effect

> of thyroid hormone. Or flushed skin or jitteriness. Or hand tremors- these

> are negative side effects of thyroid hormone which occurs when the dose is

> too high.

>

> -- Re: Levothyroxin and DHEA

> >

> > I don't consider it a side effect when I am taking a medication for a

> > specific condition and it treats me for that condition. I consider

> > that the

> > reason or purpose for why i am taking that specific med.

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don't feel bad ...you interpreted it exactly the way it was written.

 Perhaps the author should be more clear next time.

From: <res075oh@...>

Subject: Re: Levothyroxin and DHEA

hypothyroidism

Date: Friday, September 19, 2008, 10:06 PM

Sorry if I misunderstood you...

..

..

>

> Posted by: " eastodurango@ earthlink. net "

> eastodurango@ earthlink. net

> <mailto:eastodurango@ earthlink. net?Subject=%20Re% 3A%20Levothyroxi

n%20and%20DHEA>

> jesse11111111111 <http://profiles. / jesse11111111111>

>

>

> Fri Sep 19, 2008 8:00 am (PDT)

>

> You are repeating what I wrote at least 3 times and then ask if I am

> confusing it with intended effects.

> Tooooooooooooooo funny.

>

> sue

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Hi, . Some of us have been around here long enough to squabble

like family. I have to stop and check sometimes to make sure I'm not

married to Sue! [ggg] She means no harm...

PS: If I've misguaged her sense of humor stand by for the explosion! [ggg]

..

..

>

> Posted by: " Comerford " cumocumocumo@...

>

<mailto:cumocumocumo@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Levothyroxin%20and%20DHEA>

> cumocumocumo <cumocumocumo>

>

>

> Fri Sep 19, 2008 9:51 am (PDT)

>

> If you read ' message you will see that he says " if " those

> symptoms were the intended effect of the medication, than the

> medication's primary effect is positive. I believe he stated it in

> this fashion more for purposes of describing his point. Don't take

> things so literally.

>

> Sue, no need to get so defensive. This listserve should be about

> helping each other not insulting them. If we create that environment

> in here people are going to be afraid to ask their questions. A

> supportive environment is what we should all work for in here. Some

> of us have suffered from Hypothyroidism for 25 while others, like

> myself, were just diagnosed six months ago. There are things that i do

> not understand about it but I don't want to be afraid to ask questions

> because someone is going to make me feel stupid.

>

>

>

>

> From: Nancie Barnett <deifspirit@...

> <mailto:deifspirit%40msn.com>>

> Subject: Re: Re: Levothyroxin and DHEA

> hypothyroidism

> <mailto:hypothyroidism%40>

> Date: Friday, September 19, 2008, 11:10 AM

>

> Hmm, what did he describe? I was under the assumption that it was a

> negative

> side effect. Rapid heart rate for example is NOT a beneficial side effect

> of thyroid hormone. Or flushed skin or jitteriness. Or hand tremors- these

> are negative side effects of thyroid hormone which occurs when the dose is

> too high.

>

> -- Re: Levothyroxin and DHEA

> >

> > I don't consider it a side effect when I am taking a medication for a

> > specific condition and it treats me for that condition. I consider

> > that the

> > reason or purpose for why i am taking that specific med.

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Yes. Although I'm not ... Unless you're trying to kill someone

who dies from a medication then it is from a side effect.

..

..

>

> Posted by: " Crystal " sweetnwright@...

>

<mailto:sweetnwright@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Levothyroxin%20and%20DHEA>

> sweetenloe1 <sweetenloe1>

>

>

> Fri Sep 19, 2008 9:51 am (PDT)

>

> Do you think a person who has asthma and is on advair for that condition,

> but who also die as a result of the medication die as a side effect of

> advair?

> CW

>

> -- Re: Levothyroxin and DHEA

>

> I don't consider it a side effect when I am taking a medication for a

> specific condition and it treats me for that condition. I consider

> that the

> reason or purpose for why i am taking that specific med.

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right on...perhaps that is it...I declare a truce!!!!!!!

>

> From: Nancie Barnett <deifspiritmsn (DOT) com

> <mailto:deifspirit% 40msn.com> >

> Subject: Re: Re: Levothyroxin and DHEA

> hypothyroidism

> <mailto:hypothyroid ism%40group s.com>

> Date: Friday, September 19, 2008, 11:10 AM

>

> Hmm, what did he describe? I was under the assumption that it was a

> negative

> side effect. Rapid heart rate for example is NOT a beneficial side effect

> of thyroid hormone. Or flushed skin or jitteriness. Or hand tremors- these

> are negative side effects of thyroid hormone which occurs when the dose is

> too high.

>

> -- Re: Levothyroxin and DHEA

> >

> > I don't consider it a side effect when I am taking a medication for a

> > specific condition and it treats me for that condition. I consider

> > that the

> > reason or purpose for why i am taking that specific med.

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I think she means a lot of harm and is quite ill.

Gracia

Hi, . Some of us have been around here long enough to squabble

like family. I have to stop and check sometimes to make sure I'm not

married to Sue! [ggg] She means no harm...

PS: If I've misguaged her sense of humor stand by for the explosion! [ggg]

.

.

>

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has demonstrated a clear understanding of the difference between

" intended effect " and " side effect " . Some of the other posts [possibly

including mine] have not been so clear; especially WRT what part of

what post by which person is being addressed.

But I agree; no point is discussing it further...

..

..

>

> Posted by: " eastodurango@... "

> eastodurango@...

>

<mailto:eastodurango@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Levothyroxin%20and%20DHEA>

> jesse11111111111 <jesse11111111111>

>

>

> Fri Sep 19, 2008 11:51 am (PDT)

>

> > Maybe we should have a ³word of the day²

> > or ³word of the week² and spend that time

> > all coming to a mutual definition before

> > we proceed on to hand-holding and singing Kum ba yah. :-)

> >

> > sue

> >

> >

> > From:

> > Date: 9/19/2008 7:09:05 AM

> > hypothyroidism

> <mailto:hypothyroidism%40> <mailto:hypothyroid

> ism%40>

> > Subject: Re: Levothyroxin and DHEA

> >

> > What describes is the INTENDED effect; not a side effect. What

> > Sue describes is a side effect as long as it is not the primary [or

> > intended] purpose of the medication. IOW, if the purpose of the

> > medication was to make you feel " hyper, or energetic or warm " then that

> > would be primary rather than side effect. However, I don't understand

> > that to be the purpose of the hormone and if I'm correct then it is a

> > side effect.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

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Yes, I see I did word that confusingly.

Glad we got that settled.

Now we can move on to " Kum ba yah "

:)

sue

On 9/19/08 10:04 PM, " " <res075oh@...> wrote:

> I think this part of your post caused me to think that perhaps you were

> confusing intended effects with side effects. I don't see how it follows

> that every hormone causes side effects; and that is what I thought you

> were saying.

>

> Other than that, as you can see from my other posts [AFAIK] I agreed

> with you.

>

>

> .

> .

>

>> Of course there are Œside effects¹ to EVERY hormone your body needs

>>>> that you

>>>> put into it or you would feel no results!

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

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Omg, now that is funny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why do people always equate a little squabbling to marriage LOL!

Let¹s not discourage any unmarried folks

on the board to think that¹s all marriage leads to. ;-)

Off topic, ooooooooooooops!

sue

On 9/19/08 10:24 PM, " " <res075oh@...> wrote:

>

>

>

> Hi, . Some of us have been around here long enough to squabble

> like family. I have to stop and check sometimes to make sure I'm not

> married to Sue! [ggg] She means no harm...

>

>

>

> PS: If I've misguaged her sense of humor stand by for the explosion! [ggg]

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Gracia,

Thanks for your very mature, sensitive, empathetic response.

You are a true role model for us all.

Sue

On 9/19/08 10:33 PM, " Gracia " <circe@...> wrote:

>

>

>

>

> I think she means a lot of harm and is quite ill.

> Gracia

>

> Hi, . Some of us have been around here long enough to squabble

> like family. I have to stop and check sometimes to make sure I'm not

> married to Sue! [ggg] She means no harm...

>

>

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And so the plot thickens....

;)

On 9/19/08 10:27 PM, " " <res075oh@...> wrote:

>

>

>

> Yes. Although I'm not ... Unless you're trying to kill someone

> who dies from a medication then it is from a side effect.

>

>

> .

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Please don't call names. Calling names really tells us nothing about

the person of whom you speak. But it really could give people a bad

impression of you; and I don't want that to happen. I appreciate the

" defense " of my statements from which you perceived I was being attacked

[possibly, anyway]; but I'm a big boy now and when Sue or anyone else

points out one of my irritating habits it's probably a good time for me

to learn something.

Like I just posted, we fuss and fight here sometimes like family.

Please don't take my " grumpiness " or that of anyone else too seriously.

We really DO try to help each other; but we have such widely varying

approaches that it sometimes causes fireworks. However, you're likely

to find that some people here do not speak with the precision that you

do, which leads to confusion. And nearly everybody except me is

hard-headed! [ggg]

..

..

> It's always some know-it-all jerk

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In defense of Matt (Gasp, yes I can be nice to those that despise me)

it was Gracia who said there could be no side effects from a hormone the

body needs,

and not Matt who said that.

Sue

From: Gracia <circe@...>

> Reply-<hypothyroidism >

> Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 10:34:22 -0400

> <hypothyroidism >

Subject: Re: Levothyroxin and DHEA³IMO there are no " side

effects " from taking a hormone that the body is low in. Thierry Hertoghe MD

says that DHEA helps to prevent cancer in his book Hormone Solutions. also

DHEA is an adrenal homrone which is thyroid supportive.²

Gracia

On 9/19/08 10:34 PM, " " <res075oh@...> wrote:

>

>

>

> has demonstrated a clear understanding of the difference between

> " intended effect " and " side effect " . Some of the other posts [possibly

> including mine] have not been so clear; especially WRT what part of

> what post by which person is being addressed.

>

> But I agree; no point is discussing it further...

>

>

> .

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You are by far the most level headed one in here .  I think we could all

take a page out of your book.

From: <res075oh@...>

Subject: Re: Levothyroxin and DHEA

hypothyroidism

Date: Friday, September 19, 2008, 10:45 PM

Please don't call names. Calling names really tells us nothing

about

the person of whom you speak. But it really could give people a bad

impression of you; and I don't want that to happen. I appreciate the

" defense " of my statements from which you perceived I was being attacked

[possibly, anyway]; but I'm a big boy now and when Sue or anyone else

points out one of my irritating habits it's probably a good time for me

to learn something.

Like I just posted, we fuss and fight here sometimes like family.

Please don't take my " grumpiness " or that of anyone else too seriously.

We really DO try to help each other; but we have such widely varying

approaches that it sometimes causes fireworks. However, you're likely

to find that some people here do not speak with the precision that you

do, which leads to confusion. And nearly everybody except me is

hard-headed! [ggg]

..

..

> It's always some know-it-all jerk

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sue...i don't despise you.  I think i'm understanding you more already. You have

to admit though, it was somewhat entertaining to argue!!!! I take back all that

i said.

>

>

>

> has demonstrated a clear understanding of the difference between

> " intended effect " and " side effect " . Some of the other posts [possibly

> including mine] have not been so clear; especially WRT what part of

> what post by which person is being addressed.

>

> But I agree; no point is discussing it further...

>

>

> .

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