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Not according to this..

http://www.ivu.org/history/christian/christ_veg.html

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No you weren't but Jewish traditions, diet and holy day celebrations

have not changed for over 3000 years...believe this coming from a

Jew....and Jesus was Jewish

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> > http://www.animalaid.org.uk/veggie/celebrities.htm

> > http://www.vegkids.com/celebs.asp

> > http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art19387.asp

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Oh Please!!!

That is just somone twisting Scripture to fit their opinion...I run

into this all the time...like those poeple that say they are 'the

lost tribes'....or that the Holocaust didn't happen.---

When Jesus uses the quote 'I desire mercy not sacrifice' He's address

religeous hypocrates and trying to explain to them that sacrifice was

a symbol and that God values what is in the heart...not some silly

show in front of people..he was addressing legalism...people tend to

hide behind the 'Law'(or Scriptures) to justify their cruelty,

evilness and lack of kindness and mercy.

In hypothyroidism , " kumarpuneet2004 "

<kumarpuneet2004@...> wrote:

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> > > http://www.vegkids.com/celebs.asp

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I'm not even touching on this topic. What Jesus ate was his situation, I aint

goin there! :0)

l_realestate <l_realestate@...> wrote: No you weren't but

Jewish traditions, diet and holy day celebrations

have not changed for over 3000 years...believe this coming from a

Jew....and Jesus was Jewish

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> > Plenty of vegan men including Jesus Christ!!

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> > http://home.netcom.com/~axleplus/stuff/veggie/celebs.html

> > http://www.animalaid.org.uk/veggie/celebrities.htm

> > http://www.vegkids.com/celebs.asp

> > http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art19387.asp

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We are much better together when we agree, don't ya think? :0)

Gracia <circe@...> wrote:

agreed on that.

Gracia

I didn't know Jesus Christ personaly so I have no idea what the man ate.

However, if he is as kind and compassionate as the man we read about then I

would def. believe he would not stand for the way our animals are treated today,

that's for sure. :0)

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absolutely!

Re: Re: soy??

We are much better together when we agree, don't ya think? :0)

Gracia <circe@... <mailto:circe%40gwi.net> > wrote:

agreed on that.

Gracia

I didn't know Jesus Christ personaly so I have no idea what the man ate.

However, if he is as kind and compassionate as the man we read about

then I would def. believe he would not stand for the way our animals are

treated today, that's for sure. :0)

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I guess I am not meant to be off this site because I am still waiting! I

unsubscribed days ago????

Kerry Ann Faithfull <kerry@...> wrote: absolutely!

Re: Re: soy??

We are much better together when we agree, don't ya think? :0)

Gracia <circe@... <mailto:circe%40gwi.net> > wrote:

agreed on that.

Gracia

I didn't know Jesus Christ personaly so I have no idea what the man ate.

However, if he is as kind and compassionate as the man we read about

then I would def. believe he would not stand for the way our animals are

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maybe you want to try it for a little longer - perhaps there is

something here to learn or someone here to help

Re: Re: soy??

We are much better together when we agree, don't ya think? :0)

Gracia <circe@... <mailto:circe%40gwi.net> <mailto:circe%40gwi.net>

> wrote:

agreed on that.

Gracia

I didn't know Jesus Christ personaly so I have no idea what the man ate.

However, if he is as kind and compassionate as the man we read about

then I would def. believe he would not stand for the way our animals are

treated today, that's for sure. :0)

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thanks ,

I'll try it.. so, how did you make the protein shake?

Bev

Stanziale <massageme429@...> wrote:

I wrote it, ! The stuffed peppers were great. I gutted the

pepper. In a big pan I used a little oil and sauteed cut up tempeh on med.

covered for about 30 minutes, then I added chopped garlic and chick peas. In

another pan I made rice pilaf. It said to cook rice for 25 minutes so at 15

minutes and toook it out and pured it in with the tempeh and chickpeas. Then I

mixed it around and started filling the peppers. I put the stuffed peppers in

the oven on 375 for about 25-30 minutes, maybe less. I just kept checking. Soooo

good. And for my husband....organic chicken cutlets and corn on the cobb.

bev <bdowns45681@...> wrote: who wrote the below?

Sounds great... how did you make your protein shake? And please give me the

recipe for the stuffed peppers. I usually make them with hamb.. but can't

now....

Bev

ooohhh! Alfalfa sprouts, not thanx! Too bad you can't come over for dinner

tonight. I am making stuffed peppers, yummmy! Brown rice, chix peas, tempeh, and

lots of veggies all stuffed in a monster pepper. Breakfast was great too! Nice

big protein shake with bananas right before my yoga. OOHH, and lunch, let's see!

I had a huge salad with everything from avocados to a nice big veggie burger on

top! Alfalfa sprouts??? No thank you! I'll let Null know how you feel, he's

coming for his massage on tuesday! :0) Be healthy! Oh, and Eskimos? Once

again...we were talking about GALLBLADDER ATTACKS! And organic meat! Have a nice

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Did you go through the unsubscribe routine at the bottom of this message?

Chuck

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>

> I guess I am not meant to be off this site because I am still waiting! I

> unsubscribed days ago????

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> Kerry Ann Faithfull <kerry@...

> <mailto:kerry%40openeyes.com.au>> wrote: absolutely!

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> Gracia <circe@... <mailto:circe%40gwi.net> <mailto:circe%40gwi.net>

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> agreed on that.

> Gracia

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> I didn't know Jesus Christ personaly so I have no idea what the man ate.

> However, if he is as kind and compassionate as the man we read about

> then I would def. believe he would not stand for the way our animals are

> treated today, that's for sure. :0)

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that's what I am thinking!!! LOL

Kerry Ann Faithfull <kerry@...> wrote: maybe you want to

try it for a little longer - perhaps there is

something here to learn or someone here to help

Re: Re: soy??

We are much better together when we agree, don't ya think? :0)

Gracia <circe@... <mailto:circe%40gwi.net> <mailto:circe%40gwi.net>

> wrote:

agreed on that.

Gracia

I didn't know Jesus Christ personaly so I have no idea what the man ate.

However, if he is as kind and compassionate as the man we read about

then I would def. believe he would not stand for the way our animals are

treated today, that's for sure. :0)

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Funny, I was giving a massage hours after I repied about the stuffed peppers and

suddenly remembered I forgot to answer about the protein shake.

I either use rice protein or Jay Robb's Whey protein. The whey is from cows

with no bovine hormone, all naturaly organic. Anyway, I used to use almond milk

but now I just use water. 8 oz. of water, half a banana and the protein powder.

I usualy workout 30-45 min. later. Sometimes I use blueberries, but if I am

going to workout I use banana. Vanilla flavor shake.

bev <bdowns45681@...> wrote:

thanks ,

I'll try it.. so, how did you make the protein shake?

Bev

Stanziale <massageme429@...> wrote:

I wrote it, ! The stuffed peppers were great. I gutted the pepper. In a

big pan I used a little oil and sauteed cut up tempeh on med. covered for about

30 minutes, then I added chopped garlic and chick peas. In another pan I made

rice pilaf. It said to cook rice for 25 minutes so at 15 minutes and toook it

out and pured it in with the tempeh and chickpeas. Then I mixed it around and

started filling the peppers. I put the stuffed peppers in the oven on 375 for

about 25-30 minutes, maybe less. I just kept checking. Soooo good. And for my

husband....organic chicken cutlets and corn on the cobb.

bev <bdowns45681@...> wrote: who wrote the below?

Sounds great... how did you make your protein shake? And please give me the

recipe for the stuffed peppers. I usually make them with hamb.. but can't

now....

Bev

ooohhh! Alfalfa sprouts, not thanx! Too bad you can't come over for dinner

tonight. I am making stuffed peppers, yummmy! Brown rice, chix peas, tempeh, and

lots of veggies all stuffed in a monster pepper. Breakfast was great too! Nice

big protein shake with bananas right before my yoga. OOHH, and lunch, let's see!

I had a huge salad with everything from avocados to a nice big veggie burger on

top! Alfalfa sprouts??? No thank you! I'll let Null know how you feel, he's

coming for his massage on tuesday! :0) Be healthy! Oh, and Eskimos? Once

again...we were talking about GALLBLADDER ATTACKS! And organic meat! Have a nice

day!

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yes sir!

Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote: ,

Did you go through the unsubscribe routine at the bottom of this message?

Chuck

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> unsubscribed days ago????

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> Kerry Ann Faithfull <kerry@...

> <mailto:kerry%40openeyes.com.au>> wrote: absolutely!

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> Re: Re: soy??

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> We are much better together when we agree, don't ya think? :0)

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> Gracia <circe@... <mailto:circe%40gwi.net> <mailto:circe%40gwi.net>

> > wrote:

> agreed on that.

> Gracia

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> I didn't know Jesus Christ personaly so I have no idea what the man ate.

> However, if he is as kind and compassionate as the man we read about

> then I would def. believe he would not stand for the way our animals are

> treated today, that's for sure. :0)

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There's no real evidence, but if someone is convinced there probably is

little to be gained in pointing this out. The Bible specifically DOES

NOT say Jesus was a vegetarian. I don't believe it says he ate beef,

defecated, or urinated either, but we're reasonably sure he did at least

some of the above.

2d.

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graciabee <graciabee>

Thu Aug 3, 2006 8:18 am (PST)

oh puhleeeze

how do we know JC was vegan????

I have gone to some macrobiotic parties and the food was so awful.

Gracia

Plenty of vegan men including Jesus Christ!!

<http://home.netcom.com/%7Eaxleplus/stuff/veggie/celebs.html>

Puneet

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You wrote:

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Which one, the web page or the blank email?

Chuck

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I clicked on where it read " to unsubscribe " and then it told me to send an

email, I did, and then it sent one back to me saying my unsubscription has been

processed. And, hey....look at that, here we are chatting away. I don't really

mind it's just sometimes I log on (I use this as my work email) and there are 65

messages. The other reason is, I don't want to think about my thyroid everyday.

I guess I can always log on and delete without reading and then every once in

awile I can read but then my OCD will get the best of me and I will need to know

what everyone is talking about everytime. Anyway, I could have bigger problems

in life than this. :0) Be healthy!

Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote: ,

You wrote:

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Hi all! I feel better when I don't eat bread. Is that because of the soy in

bread? Thank You

l_realestate <l_realestate@...> wrote:

Oh please!!!

If you read your Scriptures, Jesus ate fish and celebrated

Passover..you know...with lamb....He was raised in a typical Kosher

Jewish household....and even said it's fine to eat meat...just

make it Kosher...not the meat sacrificed to idols...certainly because

of the spiritual implications but also because the Gentiles hygene

and butchering practices were horrible and 'unclean'..........

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> Plenty of vegan men including Jesus Christ!!

>

> http://home.netcom.com/~axleplus/stuff/veggie/celebs.html

> http://www.animalaid.org.uk/veggie/celebrities.htm

> http://www.vegkids.com/celebs.asp

> http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art19387.asp

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> Puneet

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You would have to read the ingredients lable of the bread. They are

all different. In my area these companies all add soy flour:

Wonder, Bunny, Sara Lee and Brownberry.

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> > http://www.animalaid.org.uk/veggie/celebrities.htm

> > http://www.vegkids.com/celebs.asp

> > http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art19387.asp

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Thank You Sherry,

Sherry <hary722001@...> wrote: You would have to read the

ingredients lable of the bread. They are

all different. In my area these companies all add soy flour:

Wonder, Bunny, Sara Lee and Brownberry.

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> > Plenty of vegan men including Jesus Christ!!

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> > http://home.netcom.com/~axleplus/stuff/veggie/celebs.html

> > http://www.animalaid.org.uk/veggie/celebrities.htm

> > http://www.vegkids.com/celebs.asp

> > http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art19387.asp

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[Guest guest]

Well, I consider soy bad news. But one possibility to consider is that

the glycemic index of bread is higher than that of pure sugar. Do you

have any blood sugar issues? You might check it out...

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ryn564 <ryn564>

Thu Aug 24, 2006 5:48 am (PST)

Hi all! I feel better when I don't eat bread. Is that because of the soy

in bread? Thank You

l_realestate <l_realestate@...

<mailto:l_realestate%40hotmail.com>> wrote:

Oh please!!!

If you read your Scriptures, Jesus ate fish and celebrated

Passover..you know...with lamb....He was raised in a typical Kosher

Jewish household...

..and even said it's fine to eat meat...just

make it Kosher...not the meat sacrificed to idols...certainly because

of the spiritual implications but also because the Gentiles hygene

and butchering practices were horrible and 'unclean'..........

[Guest guest]

Thank You . I will check that out. The doctor didn't say anything about

that when he checked my blood. I will ask him about that next check-up.

<res075oh@...> wrote: Well, I consider soy bad news. But

one possibility to consider is that

the glycemic index of bread is higher than that of pure sugar. Do you

have any blood sugar issues? You might check it out...

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ryn564 <ryn564>

Thu Aug 24, 2006 5:48 am (PST)

Hi all! I feel better when I don't eat bread. Is that because of the soy

in bread? Thank You

l_realestate <l_realestate@...

<mailto:l_realestate%40hotmail.com>> wrote:

Oh please!!!

If you read your Scriptures, Jesus ate fish and celebrated

Passover..you know...with lamb....He was raised in a typical Kosher

Jewish household...

..and even said it's fine to eat meat...just

make it Kosher...not the meat sacrificed to idols...certainly because

of the spiritual implications but also because the Gentiles hygene

and butchering practices were horrible and 'unclean'..........

[Guest guest]

c m,

You wrote:

>

> God gave us all seed bearing plants SOY is not toxic..

> if anyone says it is they dont know health.!

Please don't eat any castor beans, rosary pea, or larkspur seeds.

You might want to read some of the literature on soy, such as this

report by the UK Food Standards Agency:

http://www.foodstandards.gov.uk/multimedia/worddocs/phytoreport10.doc

Some of its citations:

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Chang HC, Doerge DR. Dietary genistein inactivates rat thyroid

peroxidase in vivo without an apparent hypothyroid effect. Toxicol Appl

Pharmacol. 2000, 168:224-252.

Chorazy PA, Himelhoch S, Hopwood NJ, Greger NG, Postellon DC. Persistent

hypothyroidism in an infant receiving soy formula: case report review

and review of the literature. Pediatrics. 1995, 96:148-150.

Divi RL, Chang HC, Doerge DR. Anti-thyroid isoflavones from soybean.

Biochem Pharmacol. 1997, 54:1087-1096.

Divi RL, Doerge DR. Inhibition of thyroid peroxidase by dietary

flavonoids. Chem Res Toxicol. 1996, 9:16-23.

Fort P, Moses N, Fasano M, Goldberg T, Lifshitz F. Breast and

soy-formula feedings in early infancy and the prevalence of autoimmune

thyroid disease in children. J Am Coll Nutr. 1990, 9:164-167.

Fukutake M, Takahashi M, Ishida K, Kawamura H, Sugimura T, Wakabayashi

K. Quantification of genistein and genistin in soybeans and soybean

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Gaitan E, RH, Reichert RD, Ingbar SH, Cooksey RC, Legan J,

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Furukawa F, Hirose. Lack of modifying effects of environmental

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Cancer Res. 2000b, 91:899-905.

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iodine deficient diet. Jpn J Cancer Res. 2001, 92:103-108.

GA, ED. Thyroid stimulating hormone (TSH)-associated

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Van Wyk JJ, Arnold MB, Wynn J, Pepper F. The effects of a soybean

product on thyroid function in humans. Pediatrics. 1959, 752-760.

Wang HJ, PA. Isoflavone Content in Commercial Soybean Foods. J

Agric Food Chem. 1994, 42:1666-1673.

Chuck

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Soy is in fact toxic; but at least some of the toxins are removed by

current processing. At the same time other materials [metals?] that are

not necessarily so good for you leach into the product.

Do a google search of " soy toxins " if you want to be educated on the

subject. You will find what big agribusiness doesn't want you to know.

And hopefully stop spreading such misinformation.

But don't feel too bad: Big agribusiness has probably spent hundreds of

millions of dollars to plant that idea in you head. Find out for yourself.

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God gave us all seed bearing plants SOY is not toxic..

if anyone says it is they dont know health.!

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I don't think soy is " toxic " but it will exacerbate an iodine deficiency which

hypo/hypers all have. And it is guaranteed to be genetically modified, but who

knows what that means to our health. More info on soy at

http://www.westonaprice.org

Gracia

God gave us all seed bearing plants SOY is not toxic..

if anyone says it is they dont know health.!

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Soy contains a number of toxins, as you can find out if you Google " Soy

toxins " . Below your message is the first of many articles [about

706,000] that deal with soy toxins from Google. Among the toxins are

protease inhibitors, phytic acid, soy lectins (or haemagglutins),

nitrosamines, manganese concentrations and the mysterious soyatoxin.

Nitrosamines are not naturally occurring in soybeans but form during the

processing of products such as isolated soy protein (ISP).

You don't think soy contains toxins because agribusiness has spent

hundreds of millions of dollars to make you think exactly that. I

suggest a bit of research outside of agribusiness propaganda.

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I don't think soy is " toxic " but it will exacerbate an iodine deficiency

which hypo/hypers all have. And it is guaranteed to be genetically

modified, but who knows what that means to our health. More info on soy

at http://www.westonaprice.org <http://www.westonaprice.org>

Gracia

God gave us all seed bearing plants SOY is not toxic..

if anyone says it is they dont know health.!

Quoted from Google " Soy toxins " :

Soy Toxins

There's plenty yet that you didn't know about soy!

Soy contains several naturally occurring compounds that are toxic to

humans and animals. The soy industry frequently refers to these toxins

as anti-nutrients, which implies that they somehow act to prevent the

body getting the complete nutrition it needs from a food. The soy

toxins (such as phytic acid) can certainly act in this manner, but they

also have the ability to target specific organs, cells and enzyme

pathways and their effects can be devastating.

The soy toxins that Soy Online Service have concerns about are protease

inhibitors, phytic acid, soy lectins (or haemagglutins), nitrosamines,

manganese concentrations and the mysterious soyatoxin. Nitrosamines are

not naturally occurring in soybeans but form during the processing of

products such as isolated soy protein (ISP).

As with any toxin there will be a dose at which negative effects are not

observed. Soy Online Services have examined the scientific data on the

soy toxins and have uncovered several alarming truths:

bullet

* There is no legislation to protect consumers from soy toxins in

raw soy products.

* With the possible exception of soy lecithin, all soy products, no

matter how well treated, contain low to moderate levels of soy

toxins; processing cannot remove them all of any of them.

* The soy industry has little in the way of quality control to

protect consumers from exposure to inadequately treated soy products.

Protease Inhibitors

Perhaps the best known of the soy toxins are the protease inhibitors

(also referred to as trypsin inhibitors) which, as the name suggests,

are able to inhibit the action of proteases (including trypsin) which

are enzymes that are involved in the process of dismantling proteins for

use by the body.

In the rat, high levels of exposure to protease inhibitors (such as that

found in raw soy flour) cause pancreatic cancer whereas moderate levels

cause the rat pancreas to be more susceptible to cancer-causing agents.

The validity of the rat model to humans has been questioned and the

USFDA have examined the effects of protease inhibitors on the Cebus

monkey (JP Harwood et al., Adv Exp Med Biol 1986 199: 223-37).

The parameters of the Cebus Monkey study were as follows:

Group Number of monkeys Dietary Protein Trypsin Inhibitor (mg/g of diet)

1 8 Lactalbumin 0.12

2 10 Soy Isolate 0.54

3 6 Casein 0.08

4 2 Soy Concentrate 2.41

After five years of chronic ingestion to low levels of trypsin

inhibitors, there was no discernible pancreatic damage effect in monkeys

from groups 1-3. However, one monkey in group 4 exhibited moderate

diffuse acinar atrophy, moderate diffuse interstitial fibrosis and

moderate chronic pancreatitis in all three sections of tissue examined.

Minimal lymphoid hyperplasia was noted in the other group 4 monkey.

Therefore, there is good reason to question claims that low levels of

soy protease inhibitors pose no threat to human health. Such a

statement has even been made by the USFDA in response to a health claim

petition <http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/02pti.htm> by Protein

Technologies. The USFDA reported that:

'Concerns have been raised in the past about exposure to trypsin

inhibitors contained in soybeans because these compounds had been found

to stimulate pancreatic hyperplasia and hypertrophy in animals. These

concerns have been allayed because heat treatment removes most of the

activity of these proteases. In addition, recent studies have questioned

the applicability of the animal models, which differ from humans in the

type of diet, sensitivity of the pancreas to trypsin inhibitors, and the

anatomic sites of pancreatic cell proliferation and have found low rates

of cancer in populations with dietary patterns that include soy foods'

(FR 63, 217:62977-63015, 1998).

This statement brought an angry response from Professor Irvin Leiner

<http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/downloads/Liener.pdf>, the foremost

expert on protease inhibitors. In his reply to the FDA Liener wrote:

' " The impression one gets from reading this section is that that there

is little cause for concern as far as the human exposure to soybean

trypsin inhibitors is concerned.... In the interests of a balanced

treatment of the subject, I trust you will give due consideration to the

opposing view that the soybean trypsin inhibitors do in fact pose a

potential risk to humans when soy protein is incorporated into the diet. "

So, if there is valid concern about low levels of protease inhibitors in

soy foods, what about exposures to levels higher higher than those in

the Cebus monkey study? Is there any chance that such exposures could

occur in human diets?

Soy Online Service has noted that there is considerable variability in

the levels of protease inhibitors in commercially available foods and

that there is little to protect consumers from exposure to high levels

of protease inhibitors. For example, a study entitled 'Trypsin

inhibitor levels in soy-based infant formulas and commercial soy protein

isolates and concentrates (RW Peace et al., 1992, Food Res Int, 25:

137-141) found that trypsin inhibitor levels were as high as 2.72 mg/g

in ready to feed soy formulas and 7.30 mg/g in soy protein concentrate.

Since there is no established acceptable levels of protease inhibitors

in foods and no protection from short-term high level (acute) exposures

or long term low level (chronic) exposures, Soy Online Service offer the

following advice:

bullet

* Don't feed your baby or infant a soy formula; there are alternatives!

* Avoid the direct consumption of raw or partially processed soy

products such as soy flour or soy protein concentrate.

Traditionally fermented soy foods are relatively free of protease

inhibitors.

* When preparing your own soy foods, such as boiled or roasted

soybeans or soy milk, ensure that they are adequately heated. The

traditional Chinese method for preparing soybeans was a time

consuming job that was left to monks. It involved soaking the

beans first and then boiling them twice over 'the full length of

an incense'.

Phytates

The term phytate refers to several compounds that are based on phytic

acid (inositol hexaphosphate). It is the presence of multiple

phosphates in phytates that makes them effective chelating agents, i.e.

they have the ability to bind to certain metal ions. Obviously if

metals are bound up in a phytate-complex, they are less available to the

body ( i.e. less bioavailable) for nutritive purposes.

Phytates are particularly adept at binding metals in their so-called

divalent state, metal ions such as calcium (Ca2+), copper (Cu2+), iron

(Fe2+), manganese (Mn2+) and zinc (Zn2+).

Soybeans contain very high levels of phytate

<http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/articles/Phytate.htm> and their are

numerous reports of reduced bioavailablity of various metals from foods

containing soy; this has particular significance for vegetarians and

infants fed soy-formulas.

Vegetarians, particularly young women vegetarians, need to be aware that

soy products affect their iron and zinc requirements and it has been

recommended that they utilise strategies that minimise the intake of

dietary phytate <http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/articles/Veges.htm>.

The effects of phytate in soy-formulas are a great concern. The iron

and zinc requirements of developing infants are well documented,

particularly those that relate to cognitive function

<http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/articles/iron.htm>. There is no

question that infants fed soy-formulas are at greater risk of reduced

uptake of various essential minerals compared with breast-fed infants or

infants fed other formulas.

bullet Copper bioavailability

<http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/articles/Copper.htm> is significantly

lower in rhesus monkeys fed low-phytate soy formula from 2 to 4 months.

Iron absorption <http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/articles/iron.htm>

in infants is approximately doubled by the removal of phytate from soy

formula; a similar effect is observed by doubling the ascorbic acid

content of a soy formula.

Manganese absorption

<http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/articles/Mang.htm> is also doubled by

the removal of phytate from soy formula, but increasing the ascorbic

acid content of a soy formula containing the native amount of phytic

acid did not improve manganese absorption.

Zinc bioavailability

<http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/articles/Zinc.htm> from soy formulas

is also reduced by phytate. In rhesus monkeys, zinc absorption was 2.0

times greater from monkey milk compared with soy formula, 2.2 times

greater from whey-predominant formula compared with soy formula and 1.7

times greater from casein-predominant formula compared with soy

formula. Zinc absorption from dephytinized soy formula was

approximately the same as that from casein-predominant formula.

Soy formulas are typically over-supplemented with minerals and vitamins

to account for the deficiencies caused by phytate, but it is evident

that this does not take care of the problems. Removal of phytate from

soy formulas is altogether a better solution but manufactures have not

shown any inclination do this. Why not? Phytate removal will cost $$$

and it seems to us that soy formula manufacturers consider economics to

be more important than the well being of infants.

Phytates and Scoleosis

Soyonlineservice receives questions about whether soy formulas are

causing scoliosis in children. As far as we know there has been no

direct research on an association between soy formulas and childhood

scoliosis, presumably because the industry has never admitted that it

leaves this chemical in its products. Howerver, the levels of phytic

acid in soy protein can run as high as 3% of the volume, and soy protein

is 19% of soy formulas. Therefore it is feasible and entirely possible

for its depletion to the later onset of scoliosis to result

Bioavailability of zinc in milk and soy protein-based infant formulas.

Momcilovic B, Belonje B, Giroux A, Shah BG. J Nutr. 1976 Jul;106(7):913-7.

Thus, to provide equivalent amounts of available zinc, the total zinc

content of the soy protein-based formula would need to be at least 20%

higher than that of the formula containing milk protein.

Full Abstract Here

<http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/07abstract.htm#Momcilovic%20et%20al%201976>

Manganese

The soybean plant has the ability to absorb manganese from the soil and

concentrate it to an extent that soy-based infant formulas can contain

as much as 200 times the level of manganese found in natural breast

milk. In babies, excess manganese that cannot be metabolised is stored

in body organs. Around eight percent of the excess manganese in the

diet is stored in the brain in close proximity to the dopamine-bearing

neurons responsible, in part, for adolescent neurological development.

The implications are that the one in eight infants raised on soy formula

during the first six months of life may be at risk of brain and

behavioural disorders that do not become evident until adolescence.

The following three articles discuss the issue of manganese toxicity

further:

Is soy-based infant formula brain damaging? Press Release

<http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/articles/goodman.htm> written by

Goodman, Ph.D.

ADD-ing it up: soy infant formula, ADD/ADHD and manganese toxicity

Kaayla T. , PhD, CCN, 2162 Candelero Street, Santa Fe, NM 87505

Phone: +1 505 984 2093

Email: wholenutrifionist@...

<mailto:wholenutrifionist@...>

Website: http://www.thewholesoystory.com

Abstract

Manganese is an essential trace mineral, but high levels are neurotoxic

to newborns. Infants fed soy infant formula ingest as much as 80 times

more manganese per day than those who are breast fed. Although healthy

toddlers, children and adults exposed to excess manganese can usually

eliminate most of it, infants cannot because their immature livers are

not fully functional. At the same time, their growing brains and other

organs are highly susceptible to damage from neurotoxins. This article

reviews research showing that neonates exposed to the high levels of

manganese present in soy formula are at increased risk for

neurodevelopmental abnormalities, including an impaired ability to make

the neurotransmitter dopamine and damage to the substantia nigra,

caudate, putamen and globus pallidus areas of the brain. These findings

suggest that soy infant formula is a likely contributor to the epidemic

of ADD/ADHD and other cognitive and behavioral disorders.

This paper is a slightly revised and updated version of Chapter 21 from

my book The Whole Soy Story: The Dark Side of America's Favorite Health

Food (Publisher: NewTrends Publishing, Inc. (March 10, 2005); ISBN:

0967089751). © Copyright 2005 Pearblossom Private School,

Inc.--Publishing Division. All rights reserved.

" How safe is soy infant formula? "

<http://www.mercola.com/2001/jun/13/soy_formula.htm>.

Manganese content of soy or rice beverages is high in comparison to

infant formulas.

Cockell KA, Bonacci G, Belonje B.

Nutrition Research Division, Bureau of Nutritional Sciences, Food

Directorate, Health Canada, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada.

kevin_cockell@...

OBJECTIVE: Well-meaning but inadequately informed parents may perceive

plant-based beverages such as soy beverages (SB) or rice beverages (RB)

as an alternative to infant formula. Manganese (Mn) is an essential

mineral nutrient found at high levels in plants such as soy and rice.

Excessive Mn exposure increases the risk of adverse neurological

effects. METHODS: We analysed, by atomic absorption spectrometry, the Mn

content of 36 SB, 5 RB, 6 evaporated milks (EM), 14 soy-based infant

formulas (SF) and 16 milk-based infant formulas (MF), obtained from

commercial outlets in Ottawa, Canada. RESULTS: SB had the highest levels

of Mn (16.5 +/- 8.6 micro g/g dry wt, mean +/- s.d.), followed by RB

(9.9 +/- 1.7 micro g/g dry wt). Mn levels of individual SB/RB ranged

from 2 to 17 times the mean Mn content of SF (2.4 +/- 0.7 micro g/g dry

wt) and 7 to 56 times that of MF (0.70 +/- 0.35 micro g/g dry wt). EM

contained very little Mn (0.02 +/- 0.03 micro g/g dry wt). Calculated

mean Mn intakes from SB/RB by infants up to 6 months of age, assuming

complete substitution of these products (0.78 L/day), approached the

Tolerable Upper Intake Level (UL) for 1-3 year olds (no UL for Mn is

available for infants under 1 year of age). Expressed as micro g Mn/100

kcal, SB/RB exceeded the range derived from ULs and typical energy

intakes of 1-3 year olds. CONCLUSIONS: SB/RB should not be fed to

infants because they are nutritionally inadequate and contain Mn at

levels which may present an increased risk of adverse neurological

effects if used as a sole source of nutrition.

Aluminium

Aluminum and bone disorders: with specific reference to aluminum

contamination of infant nutrients.

Koo WW, Kaplan LA. J Am Coll Nutr. 1988 Jun;7(3):199-214.

Enteral nutrients including human and whole cow milk have low Al,

whereas highly processed infant formulas with multiple additives, such

as soy formula, preterm infant formula, and formulas for specific

disorders are heavily contaminated with Al.

However, even with normal renal function, only 30-60% of an Al load from

parenteral nutrition is excreted in the urine, resulting in tissue

accumulation of Al.

To minimize tissue burden, Al content of infant nutrients should be

similar to " background " levels, i.e., similar to whole milk (less than

50 micrograms/L).

Full Abstract Here

<http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/07abstract.htm#Koo%20 & %20Kaplan%201988>

Vitamin B12 Deficiency

Vitamin B 12 deficiency has been recognised as a serious result of soy

consumption for many years. For instance JJ Rackis discusses it in

January 1974 in " Biological and Physiological Factors in Soybeans' in

the J. Am. Oil Chemists Soc, pp 161 " , and Irvin E Liener examines it in

1994 in " Implications of Anti-Nutritional Components in Soybean Foods in

Soybean " in Critical Reviews in Food Science and Nutrition

There is a simple explanation of some of the physical effects that can

result from a deficiency of this important nutrient at. " Vegans

Deficient in Nutrients " <http://www.mercola.com/2002/jul/17/vegan_risk.htm>.

If the Moorhead trial judge had known this, would these people now be

serving a jail term for the death of their child?

Read about the Seventh Day Adventist Moorheads Here

<http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?thesection=news & thesubsection= & story\

ID=2046794>and

Here

<http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?thesection=news & thesubsection= & story\

ID=2045066>.

Vitamin B1 Deficiency

Soy is deficient in Vitamin B1. In extreme cases...as in the one

below,where it seems the formula maker ( a Heinz subsidiary) omitted to

fortify the formula with Vitamin B1 to compensate for the nutritional

risks of consuming too much soy.

Arutz-7 News: Monday, November 10, 2003

THREE BABIES HOSPITALIZED WITH BERIBERI

Three infants between the ages of five months and a year were

hospitalized in Soroka Hospital in Be'er Sheva last night, for fear that

they, too, may have been inflicted with the Remedia-B1 syndrome. The

number of hospitalized babies in the Remedia case is now eight; 17

instances have been discovered, and three babies have died, including

one who died six months ago. The condition of three babies in Schneider

Children's Hospital has improved, although a fourth is still unconscious.

The Health Ministry issued instructions last night for all parents who

have fed their babies Remedia's soy-based milk substitute in the past

two months to take them for check-ups. The country's health funds will

distribute free Vitamin B1 syrup to babies who need it.

The Health Ministry now assumes that the mysterious disease is nothing

other than beriberi, a severe thiamine (B1) deficiency, which some feel

is a " third world " disease. Beriberi has become very rare in the

western world because most foods are vitamin-enriched. However, it can

occur in breast-fed infants when the mother has an inadequate intake of

thiamine, in infants fed formulas with inadequate thiamine supplements,

and in developing countries with limited diets based largely on milled rice.

The Remedia formula is not poisonous, but it does not contain the

all-important Vitamin B1 - contrary to the list of ingredients on the

package. The formula was changed several months ago, but the list of

ingredients did not reflect the new composition. Not only did the stock

of Remedia's competitor Materna jump 41% yesterday, but the State

Prosecution is now considering a criminal investigation against the

directors of Remedia.

Other Toxins

Letter to FDA CONSUMER magazine

http://www.fda.gov/fdac/departs/2000/400_ltrs.html August 2000

The FDA Consumer article on soy spoke of the possible risks of plant

estrogens, but made no mention of the carcinogenic effects of protease

inhibitors found in soy. McGuinness et al. report rats fed raw soya

flour develop cancer of the pancreas ( " The effects of long-term feeding

of soya flour on the rat pancreas, " Scandinavian Journal of

Gastroenterology, 1980; 15:497-502). They say that preheating the flour

protected the animals, but others have said that the high heat required

(130 degrees Celsius) to deactivate the carcinogenic trypsin inhibitors

in soya flour denatures the soy proteins to the point that they become

virtually useless. If this is so, one either chooses less heating,

resulting in more surviving trypsin inhibitors, or more heating,

resulting in useless protein.

Jarvis, Ph.D.

Department of Health Promotion and Education

Loma University

Loma , Calif.

Soyatoxin

The soy industry funds millions of dollars of research each year

<http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/05soypolitics.htm>; what chance is

there for the discoverers of soyatoxin

<http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/articles/Soyatox.htm> to get funding

to continue their work?