Re: Getting warm

[Guest guest]

the 24 hour urine test kit that she uses is not from any hospital or even local

lab. it is from Meridian Valley labs which are based in washington state and the

test itself takes 3 weeks to run in the lab. ergo it takes 3 weeks to get the

results.

Re: Re: Getting warm

I asked my doctor to test for adrenals. What would it say on the lab sheet?

Roni

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[Guest guest]

it is called Phyto-ADR and it is by " pure encapsulations " . I bought it from this

natural medicine/pharmacy called " pharmaca " .

There they have natural medicine providers on staff that you can consult with

and they went through every adrenal product that was there to sort out the ones

with steroid ingredients in them and the ones that didn't. they told me that

this was the better one.

hope this helps.

nancie

RE: Re: Getting warm

It's difficult to sort this all out, but I'm trying.

Roni

Dusty

<dusty@...<mailto:dusty%40brookehurst.net><mailto:dustybrookehurst (DOT) \

net<mailto:dusty%40brookehurst.net>>> wrote:

Roni, you are wise to beware of steroids and become very informed before you

consider supplementing should you have a problem which might dictate their

use. Despite some views here, there is much negative impact from these

drugs, even at lower doses.

http://www.rxcarecanada.com/cortef.asp?prodid=433<http://www.rxcarecanada.com/co\

rtef.asp?prodid=433><http://www.rxcarecanada.com/cortef.asp?prodid=433<http://ww\

w.rxcarecanada.com/cortef.asp?prodid=433>>

I missed 's response. Does her suggested product act the same in the

body?

Dusty

>

> Gracia, how do you know I have adrenal problems?

>

> , if it does the same thing as steroids, it depresses the

immune system and leaves

> you open for infection. Why would I want that?

>

> Roni

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Nancie.

Roni

Nancie Barnett <deifspirit@...> wrote:

it is called Phyto-ADR and it is by " pure encapsulations " . I bought it

from this natural medicine/pharmacy called " pharmaca " .

There they have natural medicine providers on staff that you can consult with

and they went through every adrenal product that was there to sort out the ones

with steroid ingredients in them and the ones that didn't. they told me that

this was the better one.

hope this helps.

nancie

RE: Re: Getting warm

It's difficult to sort this all out, but I'm trying.

Roni

Dusty

<dusty@...<mailto:dusty%40brookehurst.net><mailto:dustybrookehurst (DOT) \

net<mailto:dusty%40brookehurst.net>>> wrote:

Roni, you are wise to beware of steroids and become very informed before you

consider supplementing should you have a problem which might dictate their

use. Despite some views here, there is much negative impact from these

drugs, even at lower doses.

http://www.rxcarecanada.com/cortef.asp?prodid=433<http://www.rxcarecanada.com/co\

rtef.asp?prodid=433><http://www.rxcarecanada.com/cortef.asp?prodid=433<http://ww\

w.rxcarecanada.com/cortef.asp?prodid=433>>

I missed 's response. Does her suggested product act the same in the

body?

Dusty

>

> Gracia, how do you know I have adrenal problems?

>

> , if it does the same thing as steroids, it depresses the

immune system and leaves

> you open for infection. Why would I want that?

>

> Roni

[Guest guest]

Everybody's opinion is the " right " one; if you don't believe it just ask

them. Kind of like religion.

>

> Re: Getting warm

>

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oBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMzY1MTEEc2V\

jA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTIwMjQ2ODI0Ng-->

>

>

>

> Posted by: " Gracia " circe@...

> <mailto:circe@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Getting%20warm>

> graciabee <graciabee>

>

>

> Thu Feb 7, 2008 10:59 am (PST)

>

>

> hmmmm

> that is funny and I guess you are right! Except that my " opinion " is

> the accurate one.

[Guest guest]

It's great that you're doing well, and I guess possible that the product

you're taking is providing useful benefits. But I don't see how it

could " ...perform the same actions as the steroids... " IMHO it would

almost have to act in a _different_ manner than a steroid. However, I

must admit I'm massively ignorant on the subject. The only thing I've

seen is advertising copy, and that is notoriously inaccurate.

In any event, I'm not as enamored of " Chinese " herbal medicine as some

people; especially now that we know they put all kinds of materials into

food, medicines and toys that are not allowed in the US. How do you

know that it doesn't have more lead than a Barbie doll? [ggg]

> .

>

>

> Re: Getting warm

>

<hypothyroidism/message/36526;_ylc=X3oDMTJxc212cG5\

2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMzY1MjYEc2V\

jA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTIwMjQ2ODI0Ng-->

>

>

>

> Posted by: " Nancie Barnett " deifspirit@...

> <mailto:deifspirit@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Getting%20warm>

> aspenfairy1 <aspenfairy1>

>

>

> Thu Feb 7, 2008 8:25 pm (PST)

>

> dusty and roni and james-

> my supplement which is based on Chinese herbal medicine performs the

> same actions as the steroids without any of the adverse reactions that

> steroids can cause. ergo it supports the adrenals in a healthy manner

> without using steroids.

> I refuse to use steroids unless I am dying or in a coma. if I can get

> my adrenal's healthy using Chinese medicine than I will use that

> product and skip the steroids.

> once you have been on high dose steroids for years [ as I have] you

> are more more sensitive to the potential side effects of steroids and

> the odds are huge that you will get them. I refuse to suffer from any

> adverse reactions from steroids that are taken as a supplement or

> prescription.

> nancie

> RE: Re: Getting warm

>

> It's difficult to sort this all out, but I'm trying.

> Roni

>

> Dusty <dusty@...

> <mailto:dusty%40brookehurst.net><mailto:dusty@...

> <mailto:dusty%40brookehurst.net>>> wrote:

> Roni, you are wise to beware of steroids and become very informed

> before you

> consider supplementing should you have a problem which might dictate their

> use. Despite some views here, there is much negative impact from these

> drugs, even at lower doses.

> http://www.rxcarecanada.com/cortef.asp?prodid=433

>

<http://www.rxcarecanada.com/cortef.asp?prodid=433><http://www.rxcarecanada.com/\

cortef.asp?prodid=433

> <http://www.rxcarecanada.com/cortef.asp?prodid=433>>

>

> I missed 's response. Does her suggested product act the same in the

> body?

>

> Dusty

[Guest guest]

OMG..........LOL..............Another thing to think about.

Roni

<res075oh@...> wrote:

It's great that you're doing well, and I guess possible that the

product

you're taking is providing useful benefits. But I don't see how it

could " ...perform the same actions as the steroids... " IMHO it would

almost have to act in a _different_ manner than a steroid. However, I

must admit I'm massively ignorant on the subject. The only thing I've

seen is advertising copy, and that is notoriously inaccurate.

In any event, I'm not as enamored of " Chinese " herbal medicine as some

people; especially now that we know they put all kinds of materials into

food, medicines and toys that are not allowed in the US. How do you

know that it doesn't have more lead than a Barbie doll? [ggg]

> .

>

>

> Re: Getting warm

>

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jA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTIwMjQ2ODI0Ng-->

>

>

>

> Posted by: " Nancie Barnett " deifspirit@...

> <mailto:deifspirit@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Getting%20warm>

> aspenfairy1 <aspenfairy1>

>

>

> Thu Feb 7, 2008 8:25 pm (PST)

>

> dusty and roni and james-

> my supplement which is based on Chinese herbal medicine performs the

> same actions as the steroids without any of the adverse reactions that

> steroids can cause. ergo it supports the adrenals in a healthy manner

> without using steroids.

> I refuse to use steroids unless I am dying or in a coma. if I can get

> my adrenal's healthy using Chinese medicine than I will use that

> product and skip the steroids.

> once you have been on high dose steroids for years [ as I have] you

> are more more sensitive to the potential side effects of steroids and

> the odds are huge that you will get them. I refuse to suffer from any

> adverse reactions from steroids that are taken as a supplement or

> prescription.

> nancie

> RE: Re: Getting warm

>

> It's difficult to sort this all out, but I'm trying.

> Roni

>

> Dusty <dusty@...

> <mailto:dusty%40brookehurst.net><mailto:dusty@...

> <mailto:dusty%40brookehurst.net>>> wrote:

> Roni, you are wise to beware of steroids and become very informed

> before you

> consider supplementing should you have a problem which might dictate their

> use. Despite some views here, there is much negative impact from these

> drugs, even at lower doses.

> http://www.rxcarecanada.com/cortef.asp?prodid=433

>

<http://www.rxcarecanada.com/cortef.asp?prodid=433><http://www.rxcarecanada.com/\

cortef.asp?prodid=433

> <http://www.rxcarecanada.com/cortef.asp?prodid=433>>

>

> I missed 's response. Does her suggested product act the same in the

> body?

>

> Dusty

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[Guest guest]

http://www.purecaps.com/itemdy00.asp?T1=PHY1

Nancie, please read the phrase adrenocorticotrophic in the description of this

product from the manufacturer. Also this explanation of cortico steroid

stimulation.

http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/adrenocorticotrophic+hormone

I believe your product stimulates the corticosteroids in your body. It may be

good for some people, and I am not putting it down. My tests say that I am not

deficient in the things that would indicate such a condition.

Roni

Nancie Barnett <deifspirit@...> wrote:

it is called Phyto-ADR and it is by " pure encapsulations " . I bought it

from this natural medicine/pharmacy called " pharmaca " .

There they have natural medicine providers on staff that you can consult with

and they went through every adrenal product that was there to sort out the ones

with steroid ingredients in them and the ones that didn't. they told me that

this was the better one.

hope this helps.

nancie

RE: Re: Getting warm

It's difficult to sort this all out, but I'm trying.

Roni

Dusty

<dusty@...<mailto:dusty%40brookehurst.net><mailto:dustybrookehurst (DOT) \

net<mailto:dusty%40brookehurst.net>>> wrote:

Roni, you are wise to beware of steroids and become very informed before you

consider supplementing should you have a problem which might dictate their

use. Despite some views here, there is much negative impact from these

drugs, even at lower doses.

http://www.rxcarecanada.com/cortef.asp?prodid=433<http://www.rxcarecanada.com/co\

rtef.asp?prodid=433><http://www.rxcarecanada.com/cortef.asp?prodid=433<http://ww\

w.rxcarecanada.com/cortef.asp?prodid=433>>

I missed 's response. Does her suggested product act the same in the

body?

Dusty

>

> Gracia, how do you know I have adrenal problems?

>

> , if it does the same thing as steroids, it depresses the

immune system and leaves

> you open for infection. Why would I want that?

>

> Roni

[Guest guest]

jam

I don't think you know enough about chinese medicine. I asked my chinese

medicine provider who also happens to be my dentist and she ALso okayed this

product. chinese medicine and herbal medicine has been around for over 2000

years. I trust it. I have used chinese herbs and accupunture Many Many times and

it has worked for me. I even use accupunture instead of lidocaine when filling a

cavity. she sticks in the needles into my feet and hands and hooks it up to an

electrical source and it gives me complete anesthesia and I even have a working

mouth afterwards!

Many herbs have the same chemical properties as other substances as in steroids.

all steroids are is a bunch or molecules made into a chemical substance that

produces a result in the body. ANY HERB can do the same thing just in a

different manner. These herbs produce the same results as the steroid but just

in a chemical reaction/ pathway.. they are not going to give anyone the serious

adverse reactions that cortef or cortisol can on the body whether they are in

physiological doses or not.

when you have working adrenals and your body is under extreme stress- what

happens- your body produces a higher quanity of natural steroid; releases it.

the syndrome is called Cushing's syndrome and that excess steroid in your body

can produces adverse reactions like: diabetes; increased belly fat;

osteoporosis; thin fragile skin, etc. .

nancie

RE: Re: Getting warm

>

> It's difficult to sort this all out, but I'm trying.

> Roni

>

> Dusty <dusty@...<mailto:dusty%40brookehurst.net>

>

<mailto:dusty%40brookehurst.net><mailto:dusty@...<mailto:dusty%40bro\

okehurst.net>

> <mailto:dusty%40brookehurst.net>>> wrote:

> Roni, you are wise to beware of steroids and become very informed

> before you

> consider supplementing should you have a problem which might dictate their

> use. Despite some views here, there is much negative impact from these

> drugs, even at lower doses.

>

http://www.rxcarecanada.com/cortef.asp?prodid=433<http://www.rxcarecanada.com/co\

rtef.asp?prodid=433>

>

<http://www.rxcarecanada.com/cortef.asp?prodid=433<http://www.rxcarecanada.com/c\

ortef.asp?prodid=433>><http://www.rxcarecanada.com/cortef.asp?prodid=433<http://\

www.rxcarecanada.com/cortef.asp?prodid=433>

>

<http://www.rxcarecanada.com/cortef.asp?prodid=433<http://www.rxcarecanada.com/c\

ortef.asp?prodid=433>>>

>

> I missed 's response. Does her suggested product act the same in the

> body?

>

> Dusty

[Guest guest]

the point is that they do not cause the adverse reactions on the body that

steroids do. anything that works on the adrenals are going to heal the adrenals

that will stimulate the adrenals to excrete " cortisol " . taking these herbs is

not the same thing as taking more steroids. taking cortef and the like is like

taking a double dose of steroids, because eventually your adrenals recover and

start producing their own " cortisol " and if you are still taking the

supplemental steroids- you will be taking double.

at least with Chinese herbs or any other herbal compound that does not give you

the adverse side effects as pure steroids give you- you will NOT be taking a

" double dose of steroids " . all you will doing is to stimulate the adrenal organ

to do it's job- NOT adding to it.

RE: Re: Getting warm

It's difficult to sort this all out, but I'm trying.

Roni

Dusty

<dusty@...<mailto:dusty%40brookehurst.net><mailto:dusty%40brookehurs\

t.net><mailto:dusty@...<mailto:dusty%40brookehurst.net><mailto:dusty\

%40brookehurst.net>>> wrote:

Roni, you are wise to beware of steroids and become very informed before you

consider supplementing should you have a problem which might dictate their

use. Despite some views here, there is much negative impact from these

drugs, even at lower doses.

http://www.rxcarecanada.com/cortef.asp?prodid=433<http://www.rxcarecanada.com/co\

rtef.asp?prodid=433><http://www.rxcarecanada.com/cortef.asp?prodid=433<http://ww\

w.rxcarecanada.com/cortef.asp?prodid=433>><http://www.rxcarecanada.com/cortef.as\

p?prodid=433<http://www.rxcarecanada.com/cortef.asp?prodid=433><http://www.rxcar\

ecanada.com/cortef.asp?prodid=433<http://www.rxcarecanada.com/cortef.asp?prodid=\

433>>>

I missed 's response. Does her suggested product act the same in the

body?

Dusty

>

> Gracia, how do you know I have adrenal problems?

>

> , if it does the same thing as steroids, it depresses the

immune system and leaves

> you open for infection. Why would I want that?

>

> Roni

[Guest guest]

I need a dentist like that. Would I look foe a holistic doc?

cw

-- Re: Re: Getting warm

jam

I don't think you know enough about chinese medicine. I asked my chinese

medicine provider who also happens to be my dentist and she ALso okayed this

product. chinese medicine and herbal medicine has been around for over 2000

years. I trust it. I have used chinese herbs and accupunture Many Many times

and it has worked for me. I even use accupunture instead of lidocaine when

filling a cavity. she sticks in the needles into my feet and hands and hooks

it up to an electrical source and it gives me complete anesthesia and I even

have a working mouth afterwards!

Many herbs have the same chemical properties as other substances as in

steroids. all steroids are is a bunch or molecules made into a chemical

substance that produces a result in the body. ANY HERB can do the same thing

just in a different manner. These herbs produce the same results as the

steroid but just in a chemical reaction/ pathway.. they are not going to

give anyone the serious adverse reactions that cortef or cortisol can on the

body whether they are in physiological doses or not.

when you have working adrenals and your body is under extreme stress- what

happens- your body produces a higher quanity of natural steroid; releases it

the syndrome is called Cushing's syndrome and that excess steroid in your

body can produces adverse reactions like: diabetes; increased belly fat;

osteoporosis; thin fragile skin, etc. .

nancie

RE: Re: Getting warm

>

> It's difficult to sort this all out, but I'm trying.

> Roni

>

> Dusty <dusty@...<mailto:dusty%40brookehurst.net>

> <mailto:dusty%40brookehurst.net><mailto:dusty@brookehurst

net<mailto:dusty%40brookehurst.net>

> <mailto:dusty%40brookehurst.net>>> wrote:

> Roni, you are wise to beware of steroids and become very informed

> before you

> consider supplementing should you have a problem which might dictate their

> use. Despite some views here, there is much negative impact from these

> drugs, even at lower doses.

> http://www.rxcarecanada.com/cortef.asp?prodid=433<http://www.rxcarecanada

com/cortef.asp?prodid=433>

> <http://www.rxcarecanada.com/cortef.asp?prodid=433<http://www.rxcarecanada

com/cortef.asp?prodid=433>><http://www.rxcarecanada.com/cortef

asp?prodid=433<http://www.rxcarecanada.com/cortef.asp?prodid=433>

> <http://www.rxcarecanada.com/cortef.asp?prodid=433<http://www.rxcarecanada

com/cortef.asp?prodid=433>>>

>

> I missed 's response. Does her suggested product act the same in the

> body?

>

> Dusty

[Guest guest]

hmm- well starrie is a dentist and she is a Chinese medicine provider. she went

through graduate school for both. I would check out a Chinese medical college to

see if they have any dual trained providers.

starrie also does acupuncture on the side, too. she has healed my rt. torn

rotator cuff in my shoulder just with acupuncture for 8 weeks.

I did not go see my orthopedist because I knew he would want to inject steroids

into my joint and I refuse to have anymore steroid injections any where in my

body. it healed up perfectly.

RE: Re: Getting warm

>

> It's difficult to sort this all out, but I'm trying.

> Roni

>

> Dusty

<dusty@...<mailto:dusty%40brookehurst.net><mailto:dusty%40brookehurs\

t.net>

> <mailto:dusty%40brookehurst.net><mailto:dusty@brookehurst

net<mailto:dusty%40brookehurst.net>

> <mailto:dusty%40brookehurst.net>>> wrote:

> Roni, you are wise to beware of steroids and become very informed

> before you

> consider supplementing should you have a problem which might dictate their

> use. Despite some views here, there is much negative impact from these

> drugs, even at lower doses.

>

http://www.rxcarecanada.com/cortef.asp?prodid=433<http://www.rxcarecanada.com/co\

rtef.asp?prodid=433><http://www.rxcarecanada<http://www.rxcarecanada/>

com/cortef.asp?prodid=433>

>

<http://www.rxcarecanada.com/cortef.asp?prodid=433<http://www.rxcarecanada.com/c\

ortef.asp?prodid=433><http://www.rxcarecanada<http://www.rxcarecanada/>

com/cortef.asp?prodid=433>><http://www.rxcarecanada.com/cortef<http://www.rxcare\

canada.com/cortef>

asp?prodid=433<http://www.rxcarecanada.com/cortef.asp?prodid=433<http://www.rxca\

recanada.com/cortef.asp?prodid=433>>

>

<http://www.rxcarecanada.com/cortef.asp?prodid=433<http://www.rxcarecanada.com/c\

ortef.asp?prodid=433><http://www.rxcarecanada<http://www.rxcarecanada/>

com/cortef.asp?prodid=433>>>

>

> I missed 's response. Does her suggested product act the same in the

> body?

>

> Dusty

[Guest guest]

You're right that I don't know much about it. But I do know that we

have indisputable evidence that the

Chinese will substitute different materials than those specified in many

instances; so I would not trust them enough to give a medicine made

there to a child of mine. Please be careful.

>

> Re: Getting warm

>

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>

>

>

> Posted by: " Nancie Barnett " deifspirit@...

> <mailto:deifspirit@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Getting%20warm>

> aspenfairy1 <aspenfairy1>

>

>

> Sun Feb 10, 2008 12:50 pm (PST)

>

> jam

> I don't think you know enough about chinese medicine. I asked my

> chinese medicine provider who also happens to be my dentist and she

> ALso okayed this product. chinese medicine and herbal medicine has

> been around for over 2000 years. I trust it. I have used chinese herbs

> and accupunture Many Many times and it has worked for me. I even use

> accupunture instead of lidocaine when filling a cavity. she sticks in

> the needles into my feet and hands and hooks it up to an electrical

> source and it gives me complete anesthesia and I even have a working

> mouth afterwards!

> Many herbs have the same chemical properties as other substances as in

> steroids. all steroids are is a bunch or molecules made into a

> chemical substance that produces a result in the body. ANY HERB can do

> the same thing just in a different manner. These herbs produce the

> same results as the steroid but just in a chemical reaction/ pathway..

> they are not going to give anyone the serious adverse reactions that

> cortef or cortisol can on the body whether they are in physiological

> doses or not.

> when you have working adrenals and your body is under extreme stress-

> what happens- your body produces a higher quanity of natural steroid;

> releases it. the syndrome is called Cushing's syndrome and that excess

> steroid in your body can produces adverse reactions like: diabetes;

> increased belly fat; osteoporosis; thin fragile skin, etc. .

> nancie

> Re: Getting warm

>

> It's great that you're doing well, and I guess possible that the product

> you're taking is providing useful benefits. But I don't see how it

> could " ...perform the same actions as the steroids... " IMHO it would

> almost have to act in a _different_ manner than a steroid. However, I

> must admit I'm massively ignorant on the subject. The only thing I've

> seen is advertising copy, and that is notoriously inaccurate.

>

> In any event, I'm not as enamored of " Chinese " herbal medicine as some

> people; especially now that we know they put all kinds of materials into

> food, medicines and toys that are not allowed in the US. How do you

> know that it doesn't have more lead than a Barbie doll? [ggg]

>

>

[Guest guest]

You know , that in this instance I have to agree with you. We don't really

know the

integrity of the Chinese firms to put into the products the correct

ingredients, even less

than our own companies.

At this point with all the shady things they have been doing to food and pet

food, who knows what they would do with supplements and/or herbs. It's not the

Chinese themselves as a group that are the problem, just unscrupulous

individuals (like here) who have no heart and will hurt anyone for the almighty

buck (or yen).

Roni

<res075oh@...> wrote:

You're right that I don't know much about it. But I do know that we

have indisputable evidence that the

Chinese will substitute different materials than those specified in many

instances; so I would not trust them enough to give a medicine made

there to a child of mine. Please be careful.

>

> Re: Getting warm

>

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>

>

>

> Posted by: " Nancie Barnett " deifspirit@...

> <mailto:deifspirit@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Getting%20warm>

> aspenfairy1 <aspenfairy1>

>

>

> Sun Feb 10, 2008 12:50 pm (PST)

>

> jam

> I don't think you know enough about chinese medicine. I asked my

> chinese medicine provider who also happens to be my dentist and she

> ALso okayed this product. chinese medicine and herbal medicine has

> been around for over 2000 years. I trust it. I have used chinese herbs

> and accupunture Many Many times and it has worked for me. I even use

> accupunture instead of lidocaine when filling a cavity. she sticks in

> the needles into my feet and hands and hooks it up to an electrical

> source and it gives me complete anesthesia and I even have a working

> mouth afterwards!

> Many herbs have the same chemical properties as other substances as in

> steroids. all steroids are is a bunch or molecules made into a

> chemical substance that produces a result in the body. ANY HERB can do

> the same thing just in a different manner. These herbs produce the

> same results as the steroid but just in a chemical reaction/ pathway..

> they are not going to give anyone the serious adverse reactions that

> cortef or cortisol can on the body whether they are in physiological

> doses or not.

> when you have working adrenals and your body is under extreme stress-

> what happens- your body produces a higher quanity of natural steroid;

> releases it. the syndrome is called Cushing's syndrome and that excess

> steroid in your body can produces adverse reactions like: diabetes;

> increased belly fat; osteoporosis; thin fragile skin, etc. .

> nancie

> Re: Getting warm

>

> It's great that you're doing well, and I guess possible that the product

> you're taking is providing useful benefits. But I don't see how it

> could " ...perform the same actions as the steroids... " IMHO it would

> almost have to act in a _different_ manner than a steroid. However, I

> must admit I'm massively ignorant on the subject. The only thing I've

> seen is advertising copy, and that is notoriously inaccurate.

>

> In any event, I'm not as enamored of " Chinese " herbal medicine as some

> people; especially now that we know they put all kinds of materials into

> food, medicines and toys that are not allowed in the US. How do you

> know that it doesn't have more lead than a Barbie doll? [ggg]

>

>

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[Guest guest]

herbal therapy is different. it is made from herbs which are loose and then made

into tinctures and teas.

besides you are speaking about products Made in china and exported here. Chinese

herbs are grown here and used here. the chinese herbalists that I use grow their

herbs here in the USA, not in china.

I am curious, would you be comfortable giving your child chinese herbs if they

are grown here?

Re: Getting warm

>

> It's great that you're doing well, and I guess possible that the product

> you're taking is providing useful benefits. But I don't see how it

> could " ...perform the same actions as the steroids... " IMHO it would

> almost have to act in a _different_ manner than a steroid. However, I

> must admit I'm massively ignorant on the subject. The only thing I've

> seen is advertising copy, and that is notoriously inaccurate.

>

> In any event, I'm not as enamored of " Chinese " herbal medicine as some

> people; especially now that we know they put all kinds of materials into

> food, medicines and toys that are not allowed in the US. How do you

> know that it doesn't have more lead than a Barbie doll? [ggg]

>

>

[Guest guest]

any Chinese herb can be grown anywhere in the world- just because it is Chinese

in origin doesn't mean it is not grown here. it starts with a seed- it is not

manufactured in a bloody industrial plant. the seeds are grown here and in

Europe. the Germans use Chinese herbs as part of natural medicine.

Re: Getting warm

>

> It's great that you're doing well, and I guess possible that the product

> you're taking is providing useful benefits. But I don't see how it

> could " ...perform the same actions as the steroids... " IMHO it would

> almost have to act in a _different_ manner than a steroid. However, I

> must admit I'm massively ignorant on the subject. The only thing I've

> seen is advertising copy, and that is notoriously inaccurate.

>

> In any event, I'm not as enamored of " Chinese " herbal medicine as some

> people; especially now that we know they put all kinds of materials into

> food, medicines and toys that are not allowed in the US. How do you

> know that it doesn't have more lead than a Barbie doll? [ggg]

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Nancie, believe it or not I do know what a seed is. No one is contesting the

herbs, rather

the people and/or companies that fill the bottles. There are many products

that have fillers

and don't have the full complement of herbs listed. If they do have fillers,

we don't know what they are using for fillers.

Roni

Nancie Barnett <deifspirit@...> wrote:

any Chinese herb can be grown anywhere in the world- just because it

is Chinese in origin doesn't mean it is not grown here. it starts with a seed-

it is not manufactured in a bloody industrial plant. the seeds are grown here

and in Europe. the Germans use Chinese herbs as part of natural medicine.

Re: Getting warm

>

> It's great that you're doing well, and I guess possible that the product

> you're taking is providing useful benefits. But I don't see how it

> could " ...perform the same actions as the steroids... " IMHO it would

> almost have to act in a _different_ manner than a steroid. However, I

> must admit I'm massively ignorant on the subject. The only thing I've

> seen is advertising copy, and that is notoriously inaccurate.

>

> In any event, I'm not as enamored of " Chinese " herbal medicine as some

> people; especially now that we know they put all kinds of materials into

> food, medicines and toys that are not allowed in the US. How do you

> know that it doesn't have more lead than a Barbie doll? [ggg]

>

>

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[Guest guest]

the point is: is that Chinese herbs from reputable sources i.e. natural medicine

clinics and herbalists and made in American labs either do not use filers or use

ones made Here. just because it says Chinese on the bottle does not mean it is

from china and therefore unsafe. I asked my Chinese provider and she said that

if the herbs are gotten from the aforementioned sources they will be safe.

Because unless you go to china town directly and buy herbs from a back alley

joint- the herbs you buy will be safe.

on the other side of the argument: as far as safety issues argument of

American vs. Chinese vs. anywhere else in world " s herbs- you could say that

about any natural medicine product- even if it is made here and/or made in

Europe- who knows what goes on in labs here [ all it takes is ONE person] and in

labs in Europe....

Re: Getting warm

>

> It's great that you're doing well, and I guess possible that the product

> you're taking is providing useful benefits. But I don't see how it

> could " ...perform the same actions as the steroids... " IMHO it would

> almost have to act in a _different_ manner than a steroid. However, I

> must admit I'm massively ignorant on the subject. The only thing I've

> seen is advertising copy, and that is notoriously inaccurate.

>

> In any event, I'm not as enamored of " Chinese " herbal medicine as some

> people; especially now that we know they put all kinds of materials into

> food, medicines and toys that are not allowed in the US. How do you

> know that it doesn't have more lead than a Barbie doll? [ggg]

>

>

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[Guest guest]

That is correct. It pays to be very careful no matter what herbs anyone buys

anywhere.

Roni

Nancie Barnett <deifspirit@...> wrote:

the point is: is that Chinese herbs from reputable sources i.e.

natural medicine clinics and herbalists and made in American labs either do not

use filers or use ones made Here. just because it says Chinese on the bottle

does not mean it is from china and therefore unsafe. I asked my Chinese provider

and she said that if the herbs are gotten from the aforementioned sources they

will be safe. Because unless you go to china town directly and buy herbs from a

back alley joint- the herbs you buy will be safe.

on the other side of the argument: as far as safety issues argument of American

vs. Chinese vs. anywhere else in world " s herbs- you could say that about any

natural medicine product- even if it is made here and/or made in Europe- who

knows what goes on in labs here [ all it takes is ONE person] and in labs in

Europe....

Re: Getting warm

>

> It's great that you're doing well, and I guess possible that the product

> you're taking is providing useful benefits. But I don't see how it

> could " ...perform the same actions as the steroids... " IMHO it would

> almost have to act in a _different_ manner than a steroid. However, I

> must admit I'm massively ignorant on the subject. The only thing I've

> seen is advertising copy, and that is notoriously inaccurate.

>

> In any event, I'm not as enamored of " Chinese " herbal medicine as some

> people; especially now that we know they put all kinds of materials into

> food, medicines and toys that are not allowed in the US. How do you

> know that it doesn't have more lead than a Barbie doll? [ggg]

>

>

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