Re: Getting warm

February 6, 2008

you cannot raise your Armour dose, you have A-fib etc.

have you looked on http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com about adrenals?

good books are Safe Uses of Cortisol by Jefferies MD.

Hormone Solutions by Thierry Hertoghe MD

Also books by Brownstein MD.

Holistic docs usually understand how to treat adrenals.

Gracia

Gracia, how do you know I have adrenal problems?

, if it does the same thing as steroids, it depresses the immune system

and leaves

you open for infection. Why would I want that?

Roni

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February 6, 2008

I asked my doctor to test for adrenals. What would it say on the lab sheet?

Roni

Nancie Barnett <deifspirit@...> wrote:

roni-

sorry that I wasn't clear.

no it doesn't do that. it works on the adrenals the same way- without the side

effects of steroids. so it does not suppress the immune system or give you any

of the negative side effects of steroids. it just helps the adrenals if you have

adrenal fatigue.

I am sorry that I thought you had stated you had adrenal fatigue.

as I have stated, I was on 10 years of high dose steroids every month without a

break, so I am the last person on this earth that would voluntarily take

steroids. I have already made it very clear with my providers that the only

situation they can give me steroids are if I am dying and if I am in a coma.

steroids destroyed my body.

nancie

Re: Re: Getting warm

Roni has adrenal probs, but doesn't want to treat them b/c she doesn't want to

take " steroids " .

Gracia

I don't know. Here are the ingredients from the STTM site:

Porcine Thyroid Powder, U.S. Pharmacopeia

Dextrose (sugar-allows you to do it sublingually)

Microcrystalline Cellulose

Sodium

Calcium Stearate (stabilizer and lubricant)

Opadry White (Titanium dioxide, but also contains trace amounts of

PEG (polyethylene glycol), Polysorbate 80, and Hydroxypropyl

Methycellulose [instead of corn starch?]...).

Well, when " I " started taking Armour I was horribly hypO and my body

temperature was 95 to 96 degrees. I definitely starting warming up on

Armour. Could that be the same with you, I mean if you have been

having a lower than normal body temp, that is?

Sam

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February 6, 2008

Cytomel is sort of like a kick in the butt on a supersonic transport.

I've also heard from others that have said Thyrolar was less intense

than straight Cytomel with or without also taking synthroid or

levoxyl. Someone in another group told me the difference between her

on Cytomel and on Armour was like the difference between being thrown

into an icy lake in January with sharks, and a warm bubble bath with

candles and champagne.

Sam

(thyroidless since 1990)

>

> The Armour has T3 in it. For about 6 or 8 months an endo put me on

T4, with only a little

> cytomel, and I felt terrible, my numbers went into the hper

range. Then my internist put me

> back on Thyrolar, which also has T3 in it. I'm so confused at

this point, I could cry. (But I

> won't, because I have learned it doesn't change anything anyway).

> Roni

February 6, 2008

I am taking Armour for about a month. I am splitting my dose in the hopes of not

kicking off

the Afib. I only had it once since the Armour, it lasted all day, and I

treated it with what I could, then remembered about coughing, and that did it.

It stopped. But it was a tough day.

Roni

Sam <k9gang@...> wrote:

Cytomel is sort of like a kick in the butt on a supersonic transport.

I've also heard from others that have said Thyrolar was less intense

than straight Cytomel with or without also taking synthroid or

levoxyl. Someone in another group told me the difference between her

on Cytomel and on Armour was like the difference between being thrown

into an icy lake in January with sharks, and a warm bubble bath with

candles and champagne.

Sam

(thyroidless since 1990)

>

> The Armour has T3 in it. For about 6 or 8 months an endo put me on

T4, with only a little

> cytomel, and I felt terrible, my numbers went into the hper

range. Then my internist put me

> back on Thyrolar, which also has T3 in it. I'm so confused at

this point, I could cry. (But I

> won't, because I have learned it doesn't change anything anyway).

> Roni

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Roni, LOW dose cortisol doesn't do that. It's the high dose (over 40mg)

over an extended period of time that can do that. A steroid (natural or

synthetic) given at a higher dose that what our bodies would naturally

make, is a high dose and can cause those negative side effects you've

read about. It's generally understood that typical adrenal support

(cortisol, et al) is typically 1/2 the amount that adrenal glands would

make if they were healthy. If our adrenals are weakened and can not do

their job, we give them a little rest by " supporting " them (with low

dose cortisol), not by shutting them down with pharmacologic-size

gigantor doses.

Heck, if anyone would be affected by " low " dose adrenal support it

surely would have been me - I don't have a thyroid or ovaries, and my

adrenals were pretty fried out. I was on 7.5mg prednisoLone (more than

10mg of that is no longer a low dose, and 5mg is considered typical

adrenal support for this drug) for around 2 years and yet my immune

system was, and still is, stronger than dirt, and cuts and stuff still

heal in less than 3 days (took forever to heal while I was hypO). The

only time I ever get sick is when I am infected by a sick little kid

that coughs directly in my face as I am inhaling.

Our bodies do make steroid hormones, and they are generally made from

cholesterol in the testes/ovaries and adrenal glands.

" Mammalian steroid hormones can be grouped into five groups by the

receptors to which they bind: glucocorticoids, mineralocorticoids,

androgens, estrogens, and progestagens. " Natural steroids are not

synthetic steroids. There's some more info and a little chart that

shows what goes on with natural steroids, et al:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steroid_hormone

A good book to read on cortisol is " Safe Uses of Cortisol " by

Jefferies. It's free to read at the library, pricey anywhere else, but

the Broda foundation has an audio download at a reasonable

price: http://www.brodabarnes.org/vhs.htm (not quite half way down the

page).

I'm just trying to help...

Sam

>

> Gracia, how do you know I have adrenal problems?

>

> , if it does the same thing as steroids, it depresses the

immune system and leaves

> you open for infection. Why would I want that?

>

> Roni

February 6, 2008

The T3 in Armour generaly optimizes a couple of hours or so after

taking it. At least that's been my experience over the past 4 1/2

years.

I've had a couple of different types of hot flashes and both are from

low hormones.

*The full body one that slowly over takes everything in an overwhelming

way and I have to sit down or fall down- that's me on low (not enough)

estrogen.

*The one that starts around my head area and gets me sweaty fast, but

is over quickly is me when I forget to take the 2nd half of my Armour

dose during the day.

Sam

>

> Maybe someone knows.....if we are getting too warm from the T3,

> wouldn't it be around the time frame of taking the T3? Why does the

> feeling of being too warm come and go throughout the day and night?

> Hmm, I wonder if these ARE hot flashes but why would I have them again

> after 5 years of not having them anymore? Although, my T3 was too high

> as far as the numbers go. SO confusing. Maybe I need an appointment

> with my gynocologist.

>

> Venizia

February 6, 2008

I know the estrogen deficient one. Boy do I know it. Before I went on HRT I was

soaking sopping wet every 20 minutes 24/7. My husband was dead set against the

hormones, but

the endocinologist said look at her she has to have it. He even tested me, and

it came back so low it was ridiculous.

This new thing happens a little bit after I take the Armour. It dissipates

quickly though.

Roni

Sam <k9gang@...> wrote:

The T3 in Armour generaly optimizes a couple of hours or so after

taking it. At least that's been my experience over the past 4 1/2

years.

I've had a couple of different types of hot flashes and both are from

low hormones.

*The full body one that slowly over takes everything in an overwhelming

way and I have to sit down or fall down- that's me on low (not enough)

estrogen.

*The one that starts around my head area and gets me sweaty fast, but

is over quickly is me when I forget to take the 2nd half of my Armour

dose during the day.

Sam

>

> Maybe someone knows.....if we are getting too warm from the T3,

> wouldn't it be around the time frame of taking the T3? Why does the

> feeling of being too warm come and go throughout the day and night?

> Hmm, I wonder if these ARE hot flashes but why would I have them again

> after 5 years of not having them anymore? Although, my T3 was too high

> as far as the numbers go. SO confusing. Maybe I need an appointment

> with my gynocologist.

>

> Venizia

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February 6, 2008

Oh the short one? That could easily be from having low cortisol.

See the adrenal section at the STTM website.

As to the low estrogen thing: Gosh, you should have seen me starting

BHRT after not having any hormone replacement for over a decade (total

hyst in '73). I was dosing estrogel by symptoms, but when I first

started out I waited until they were at the oh-my-god stage before I'd

increase the dose (I had to be sure). I have to wear a wig, and

even 'that' would get sopping wet while I was having flashes. <grin>

[to the peanut gallery: on Armour et al, only half my hair ever came

back until I finally started treating low aldosterone - I now have 2

inches of new growth]

I'd like to see a man go thru what we go thru during menopause.

hahaha It would certainly be entertaining.

Sam

>

> I know the estrogen deficient one. Boy do I know it. Before I went on

HRT I was soaking sopping wet every 20 minutes 24/7. My husband was

dead set against the hormones, but

> the endocinologist said look at her she has to have it. He even

tested me, and it came back so low it was ridiculous.

>

> This new thing happens a little bit after I take the Armour. It

dissipates quickly though.

February 6, 2008

it would say cortisol. that is what you are trying to measure. my doc used to

test via the salvia method, but she now only uses the 24 hour urine to test the

cortisol levels. the blood test is not that accurate because you only test one

time period, the am. that test wants you test before or at 8 am.

Re: Re: Getting warm

Roni has adrenal probs, but doesn't want to treat them b/c she doesn't want to

take " steroids " .

Gracia

I don't know. Here are the ingredients from the STTM site:

Porcine Thyroid Powder, U.S. Pharmacopeia

Dextrose (sugar-allows you to do it sublingually)

Microcrystalline Cellulose

Sodium

Calcium Stearate (stabilizer and lubricant)

Opadry White (Titanium dioxide, but also contains trace amounts of

PEG (polyethylene glycol), Polysorbate 80, and Hydroxypropyl

Methycellulose [instead of corn starch?]...).

Well, when " I " started taking Armour I was horribly hypO and my body

temperature was 95 to 96 degrees. I definitely starting warming up on

Armour. Could that be the same with you, I mean if you have been

having a lower than normal body temp, that is?

Sam

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I'm going to carefully read the endocrine information you sent, but tomorrow.

I'm too tired

now to read it and really evaluate.