Re: Hypothermia and hypothyroidism

April 25, 2008

Nancie

Other than diarrhealol.The magnesium over dose has no side effects,on the

kidneys or the liver?and if so what's the maximum overdose that can be tolerated

and has no side effects on the long run?I also have tachycardia due to the my

large consumption of caffeine.Thanks.Roseanne.

nancie barnett <deifspirit@...> wrote: well, magnesium is a muscle

relaxant and it helps calm or decrease the heart rate. I started taking it

because I was not tolerating the armour dose increases very well and I was

getting tachycardia/rapid heart rate. so, another member here suggested taking

magnesium because I can't take iodine because of a severe allergy to it. he too

takes 600 mg a day. I started with that and then I started getting diarrhea, so

I backed down my dose to 500 mg per day. although sometimes I take only 450 mg

per day.

then I noticed that if I drank a lot of caffeine or espresso, that the 500 mg

wouldn't hold me, so I tried 600 mg again for those times and it has worked to

keep the heart rate down.

magnesium is not necessarily a hypo T treatment- it is usually used to calm the

heart rate as you adjust to the T1-3 in the armour.

it is used with calcium because calcium is constipating and magnesium can act as

a laxative.

SO, to answer you question what dose you should take, you will have to

experiment and see which dose works for you. they usually come in 150 mg and 450

mg strength capsules. and if you take calcium supplements, it is usually bundled

in the pill, so you need to account for that dose too. otherwise you will end up

with some bad diarrhea.

I hope I have helped.

peace,

nancie

From: Roseanne ralph

Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 12:07 AM

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Subject: Re: Hypothermia and hypothyroidism

Nancie

What's exactly the co relation between magnesium and Hypo T?.What's the ideal

daily recommended dosage that we can take,if we do consume large amounts of

coffee?Thanks.Roseanne.

nancie barnett <deifspirit@...> wrote: when I know I am going to have a

latte- I just take more magnesium and extra adrenal support, lol I have tried to

give up coffee but I just can't do it. I have cut down on the amount though. I

don't necessarily drink it on a daily basis anymore. if I am on call, then of

course I will drink more, especially if I have to leave the house in the middle

of the night or end up being awake for more than 24 hours....then I live in

either peets; starbucks or coffee bean and tea leaf coffee shops. lol

nancie

From: Roni Molin

Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 2:34 PM

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Subject: Re: Hypothermia and hypothyroidism

I don't like licorice, so that has never been a problem. I did enjoy coffee, and

a hershey bar

here and there, but alas these things are verboten with the afib. I have found a

happy alternative to the coffee in green teas(decaf), and of course, I can drink

decaf coffee, but it

is not exactly the same. Unfortunately, the hershey bar seems to be the biggest

culprit, can

you believe it? The small one I'm talking about. I have also tried a better

quality of chocolate

in small amounts, and I seem to be okay with that, so all is not lost, but I

haven't had any at all in months.

Roni

nancie barnett <deifspirit@...> wrote:

my step sister julia was just 35 when diagnosed with afib. she had to give up

chocolate for 5 years . now she can have it in tiny amounts.

she switched her addiction from chocolate to mints. lol

myself, I am not that big of an addict- compared to my parents. my real

addiction is to licorice, which if eaten in excess can cause severe pedal edema

and third spacing. I know from personal experience, lol

nancie

From: Roni Molin

Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 7:13 PM

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Subject: RE: Hypothermia and hypothyroidism

Now with the atrial fibrillation I have, I can't eat very much chocolate at one

time, so I guess

it's better for my invisible waist.

Roni

Dusty wrote:

My father had an alcohol addiction - but I'm addicted to sweets in general,

dark chocolate in particular.

Dusty

Re: Hypothermia and hypothyroidism

genetic must be a code word for we do not know WTF we are doing

Gracia

it is one of the symptoms of hypo T. having a low temp is also a sign that

your metabolism is slow. but it also can be genetic- that is it can run in

families, where there is no thyroid disease.

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Nancie

I follow your informative posts with great interest.I wanted to ask you about

goitrogenic vegetables that you mentioned.What are they?I just know that soy

products are quite negative on our Hypo T .Thanks.Roseanne

Roseanne ralph <roseanne_ralph@...> wrote: Nancie

Other than diarrhealol.The magnesium over dose has no side effects,on the

kidneys or the liver?and if so what's the maximum overdose that can be tolerated

and has no side effects on the long run?I also have tachycardia due to the my

large consumption of caffeine.Thanks.Roseanne.

nancie barnett <deifspirit@...> wrote: well, magnesium is a muscle relaxant

and it helps calm or decrease the heart rate. I started taking it because I was

not tolerating the armour dose increases very well and I was getting

tachycardia/rapid heart rate. so, another member here suggested taking magnesium

because I can't take iodine because of a severe allergy to it. he too takes 600

mg a day. I started with that and then I started getting diarrhea, so I backed

down my dose to 500 mg per day. although sometimes I take only 450 mg per day.

then I noticed that if I drank a lot of caffeine or espresso, that the 500 mg

wouldn't hold me, so I tried 600 mg again for those times and it has worked to

keep the heart rate down.

magnesium is not necessarily a hypo T treatment- it is usually used to calm the

heart rate as you adjust to the T1-3 in the armour.

it is used with calcium because calcium is constipating and magnesium can act as

a laxative.

SO, to answer you question what dose you should take, you will have to

experiment and see which dose works for you. they usually come in 150 mg and 450

mg strength capsules. and if you take calcium supplements, it is usually bundled

in the pill, so you need to account for that dose too. otherwise you will end up

with some bad diarrhea.

I hope I have helped.

peace,

nancie

From: Roseanne ralph

Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 12:07 AM

hypothyroidism

Subject: Re: Hypothermia and hypothyroidism

Nancie

What's exactly the co relation between magnesium and Hypo T?.What's the ideal

daily recommended dosage that we can take,if we do consume large amounts of

coffee?Thanks.Roseanne.

nancie barnett <deifspirit@...> wrote: when I know I am going to have a

latte- I just take more magnesium and extra adrenal support, lol I have tried to

give up coffee but I just can't do it. I have cut down on the amount though. I

don't necessarily drink it on a daily basis anymore. if I am on call, then of

course I will drink more, especially if I have to leave the house in the middle

of the night or end up being awake for more than 24 hours....then I live in

either peets; starbucks or coffee bean and tea leaf coffee shops. lol

nancie

From: Roni Molin

Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 2:34 PM

hypothyroidism

Subject: Re: Hypothermia and hypothyroidism

I don't like licorice, so that has never been a problem. I did enjoy coffee, and

a hershey bar

here and there, but alas these things are verboten with the afib. I have found a

happy alternative to the coffee in green teas(decaf), and of course, I can drink

decaf coffee, but it

is not exactly the same. Unfortunately, the hershey bar seems to be the biggest

culprit, can

you believe it? The small one I'm talking about. I have also tried a better

quality of chocolate

in small amounts, and I seem to be okay with that, so all is not lost, but I

haven't had any at all in months.

Roni

nancie barnett <deifspirit@...> wrote:

my step sister julia was just 35 when diagnosed with afib. she had to give up

chocolate for 5 years . now she can have it in tiny amounts.

she switched her addiction from chocolate to mints. lol

myself, I am not that big of an addict- compared to my parents. my real

addiction is to licorice, which if eaten in excess can cause severe pedal edema

and third spacing. I know from personal experience, lol

nancie

From: Roni Molin

Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 7:13 PM

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Subject: RE: Hypothermia and hypothyroidism

Now with the atrial fibrillation I have, I can't eat very much chocolate at one

time, so I guess

it's better for my invisible waist.

Roni

Dusty wrote:

My father had an alcohol addiction - but I'm addicted to sweets in general,

dark chocolate in particular.

Dusty

Re: Hypothermia and hypothyroidism

genetic must be a code word for we do not know WTF we are doing

Gracia

it is one of the symptoms of hypo T. having a low temp is also a sign that

your metabolism is slow. but it also can be genetic- that is it can run in

families, where there is no thyroid disease.

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April 25, 2008

Yes; and I've already answered. One of the sites I couldn't get into;

two of them identified what I believe are totally different sequences as

being the probable culprit. AFAIK the specific gene has not been

identified with certainty yet; but it sounds like they're closing in.

Thanks,

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> james,

> did you see my more recent post with some links?

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>

> Are you saying that a specific gene has been identified; or is it more

> an indication of a possible/probably genetic link? If such a gene has

> been positively identified I'd appreciate a url to check it out. I

> haven't heard of such. But then I'm not in a medical field...

>

April 25, 2008

-

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/12242/genetics_and_alcoholism.html

this study found the GABRA 3 gene; it also talked about the CREB gene; it also

relayed that the APA american psychiatric association Dr. Patrica I. Ordonica;s

research LINKED genetics' to alcoholism.

http://www.news-medical.net/?id=31694

this study found the GABRA 2 gene

http://www.ama-assn.org/amednews/2001/02/05/hlsa0205.htm

this the oldest study that originally found evidence on several chromosomes 1,

2, 7 and 11 that point to a probable genetic source

April 25, 2008

Why Magnesium Matters

Date updated: January 10, 2007

Content provided by Alternative Medicine Magazine

What's not to love about magnesium? The mineral juices every cell in the body

and has a hand in more than 300 biochemical reactions. Subtract it from the

bodily equation and nerves stutter, insulin goes haywire, and the heart's

steadfast beat loses its rhythm.

And that's only the half of it. A lack of the mineral can make matters worse for

the millions of people who suffer from migraines and PMS; a shortage also

contributes to osteoporosis by preventing the body from absorbing calcium. In

sufficient amounts, on the other hand, magnesium can ease symptoms of heart

disease and diabetes. It may even help ward off hypertension, a condition that

strikes one in four adults in this country.

The problem is that magnesium doesn't abound in food, so many people aren't

getting enough. " I'm a big fan of a healthy diet, " says Carolyn Dean, a general

practitioner in City Island, New York and author of The Miracle of Magnesium,

" but getting enough magnesium from food alone is virtually impossible. " Whole

grains, leafy greens, beans, avocados, and nuts are good sources, but they're

hardly everyday fare.

In fact, up to 80 percent of people in the United States may be magnesium

deficient. You know things are bad when the conservative National Academy of

Sciences admits its own recommended daily allowance (RDA) is low: Four years ago

it did just that, bumping up the RDA to 320 milligrams. But that doesn't mean

people took note; most likely they just fell further behind.

The upshot is that most of us could use a magnesium boost, says Sass, a

spokesperson for the American Dietetic Association. If your diet is high in

foods that deliver the mineral, she recommends a multivitamin with at least 50

percent of the RDA. If it's less than stellar, bump that to 80 percent. Here's

what you'll get in return.

Stronger bones

One of the best-kept secrets is that magnesium is essential to calcium

absorption -- and that many women fall woefully short. Most take calcium to

prevent osteoporosis, but because they're not getting enough magnesium, their

calcium isn't able to do its job.

" Leaving magnesium out of the osteoporosis discussion is a dreadful fault on the

part of the health establishment, " says Mildred Seelig, a physician and

nutritionist who has studied magnesium for nearly 40 years. " Taking calcium

without magnesium gives women a false sense of security. "

The body's ideal ratio of calcium to magnesium is two to one, she says, which

means if you're getting the 1,200 recommended mg of calcium each day (that's for

postmenopausal women; if you're premenopausal, it's 1,000 mg), you should also

have 500 mg of magnesium. However, because magnesium is so often overlooked,

women's intake is creeping closer to a 6-to-1 ratio. Seelig suggests a combo

supplement with both minerals in one pill.

PMS and headache relief

Premenopausal women would do well to keep their eye on the mineral as well, in

part for the same osteoporosis protection, but also to ease symptoms of PMS. In

one study, PMS sufferers who downed 200 milligrams of magnesium daily had

significantly less bloating and weight gain than those on dummy pills. As a

natural diuretic, magnesium boots sodium and water out of the tissue and into

the bloodstream so it can be excreted by the kidneys.

Magnesium may also be helpful for people who suffer from migraine headaches.

Scientists suspect it helps by widening blood vessels that otherwise constrict

and impede blood flow to the brain. And it appears to control the availability

of brain messengers like serotonin, which for some people keep migraines at bay.

Blood pressure control

Experts have long studied magnesium as a preventive for hypertension, since it's

the mineral that tells arteries when to relax. In one of the most widely touted

studies, researchers monitored the diets of more than 30,000 men for four years.

By the end of that time, those who ate the most magnesium-rich foods had a

significantly lower risk of hypertension than volunteers who skimped on the

nutrient.

Certainly anyone at risk for high blood pressure, which includes people who are

obese or who have a family history of the disease, should make sure they're

getting enough magnesium. But since hypertension is so common, it wouldn't hurt

us all to stay well stocked.

Better heart health

Last March, the American Journal of Cardiology published some of the most

convincing evidence to date on the relevance of magnesium to heart health.

In a study of 187 people with coronary artery disease, those who received 365

milligrams of magnesium twice a day for six months reported a " significant

improvement " in their general pain levels; the placebo group saw little to no

change. One tangible benefit: Magnesium-takers enjoyed a 14 percent gain in the

amount of time they could exercise without chest pain.

The mineral likely worked by widening patients' arteries, thus creating better

blood flow, says Noel Bairey Merz, medical director of preventive cardiac

programs at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center in Los Angeles and one of the study's

authors. Magnesium also thins blood and regulates abnormal heart rhythms.

Milder diabetes symptoms

No one knows for sure whether low magnesium causes diabetes, but it's widely

recognized as a marker for the disease and occurs in up to 40 percent of

diabetes patients.

Experts do know that a person with a chronic magnesium shortfall is more likely

to experience complications of the disease. In a study published last April in

Diabetes Care, patients with type 2 diabetes who took magnesium for 16 weeks had

significantly greater insulin sensitivity (meaning they were able to cut their

insulin dosage) than those who swallowed a placebo.

Magnesium Users' Guide

What is it? A mineral that's vital to every cell in the body.

Dosage: The RDA for magnesium is 320 milligrams for women (350 during pregnancy)

and 420 mg for men, which should be enough to control PMS and headaches and ward

off high blood pressure. (In one PMS study the women took much more: 360 mg

three times a day.) You may also need more than the RDA if you have heart

disease or diabetes, but you should ask your practitioner to recommend an

appropriate amount. Magnesium citrate and magnesium oxidate are two of the least

expensive and most user-friendly forms.

Risks: Magnesium supplements are remarkably safe. But too much of the nutrient

may cause diarrhea, which can be alleviated by taking the supplement either with

food or in two separate doses. Since the kidneys regulate the body's magnesium

level, people with kidney disease shouldn't take more than the RDA. The mineral

also blocks the effectiveness of some antibiotics, specifically tetracycline,

minocycline, and doxycycline, so avoid taking magnesium supplements within three

hours of taking these medications.

http://www.revolutionhealth.com/healthy-living/natural-health/vitamin-boutique/m\

inerals/magnesium?s_kwcid=ContentNetwork|1000942704

I have also read that you can take up to 300 mg a day, but I am going to ask a

natural medicine provider and get back to you.

I have tolerated between 450 to 600 mg a day depending on amount of stress I

have and amount of caffeine I injest without any more diarrhea. I think my body

just needed to ge used the 600 mg dose- because now I don't get diarrhea, go

figure.

From: Roseanne ralph

Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 4:17 AM

hypothyroidism

Subject: Re: Hypothermia and hypothyroidism

Nancie

Other than diarrhealol.The magnesium over dose has no side effects,on the

kidneys or the liver?and if so what's the maximum overdose that can be tolerated

and has no side effects on the long run?I also have tachycardia due to the my

large consumption of caffeine.Thanks.Roseanne.

ve to experiment and see which dose works for you. they usually come in 150 mg

and 450 mg strength capsules. and if you take calcium supplements, it is usually

bundled in the pill, so you need to account for that dose too. otherwise you

will end up with some bad diarrhea.

I hope I have helped.

peace,

nancie

..

April 25, 2008

correction that was supposed to say at the bottom up to 3000 mg a day.

From: nancie barnett

Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 9:17 PM