Guest guest Posted April 23, 2008 Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 are you disagreeing with the concept? From: Roni Molin Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 12:18 AM hypothyroidism Subject: Re: Hypothermia and hypothyroidism Hahahaha! I bet there is a chocolate gene, since so many people love it. What's more, the chocolate gene is much more common in women than men. Roni nancie barnett <deifspirit@...> wrote: alcohol abuse is what lead to the finding that gene. we started looking at the genetic expression of alcholics and what they found was a genetic code that is found in the majority of individuals and family members. it is the same concept as in drug abuse. From: Crystal Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 4:52 PM hypothyroidism Subject: Re: Hypothermia and hypothyroidism I agree that things like that can run in families, however I do not think genetics is involved. I know there has been alcohol around for a long time, but what if there was no alcohol? Would there still be a gene for alcohol abuse? Cw -- Re: Hypothermia and hypothyroidism genetic must be a code word for we do not know WTF we are doing Gracia it is one of the symptoms of hypo T. having a low temp is also a sign that your metabolism is slow. but it also can be genetic- that is it can run in families, where there is no thyroid disease. Recent Activity a.. 11New Members Visit Your Group Meditation and Lovingkindness A Group to share and learn. Health Achy Joint? Common arthritis myths debunked. Moderator Central An online resource for moderators of . .... ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.3/1391 - Release Date: 4/22/2008 8:15 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2008 Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 Of course not! I have that gene. Roni nancie barnett <deifspirit@...> wrote: are you disagreeing with the concept? From: Roni Molin Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 12:18 AM hypothyroidism Subject: Re: Hypothermia and hypothyroidism Hahahaha! I bet there is a chocolate gene, since so many people love it. What's more, the chocolate gene is much more common in women than men. Roni nancie barnett wrote: alcohol abuse is what lead to the finding that gene. we started looking at the genetic expression of alcholics and what they found was a genetic code that is found in the majority of individuals and family members. it is the same concept as in drug abuse. From: Crystal Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 4:52 PM hypothyroidism Subject: Re: Hypothermia and hypothyroidism I agree that things like that can run in families, however I do not think genetics is involved. I know there has been alcohol around for a long time, but what if there was no alcohol? Would there still be a gene for alcohol abuse? Cw -- Re: Hypothermia and hypothyroidism genetic must be a code word for we do not know WTF we are doing Gracia it is one of the symptoms of hypo T. having a low temp is also a sign that your metabolism is slow. but it also can be genetic- that is it can run in families, where there is no thyroid disease. Recent Activity a.. 11New Members Visit Your Group Meditation and Lovingkindness A Group to share and learn. Health Achy Joint? Common arthritis myths debunked. Moderator Central An online resource for moderators of . .... ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.3/1391 - Release Date: 4/22/2008 8:15 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2008 Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 I guess I don't understand what is funny, then From: Roni Molin Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 12:29 AM hypothyroidism Subject: Re: Hypothermia and hypothyroidism Of course not! I have that gene. Roni nancie barnett <deifspirit@...> wrote: are you disagreeing with the concept? From: Roni Molin Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 12:18 AM hypothyroidism Subject: Re: Hypothermia and hypothyroidism Hahahaha! I bet there is a chocolate gene, since so many people love it. What's more, the chocolate gene is much more common in women than men. Roni nancie barnett wrote: alcohol abuse is what lead to the finding that gene. we started looking at the genetic expression of alcholics and what they found was a genetic code that is found in the majority of individuals and family members. it is the same concept as in drug abuse. From: Crystal Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 4:52 PM hypothyroidism Subject: Re: Hypothermia and hypothyroidism I agree that things like that can run in families, however I do not think genetics is involved. I know there has been alcohol around for a long time, but what if there was no alcohol? Would there still be a gene for alcohol abuse? Cw -- Re: Hypothermia and hypothyroidism genetic must be a code word for we do not know WTF we are doing Gracia it is one of the symptoms of hypo T. having a low temp is also a sign that your metabolism is slow. but it also can be genetic- that is it can run in families, where there is no thyroid disease. Recent Activity a.. 11New Members Visit Your Group Meditation and Lovingkindness A Group to share and learn. Health Achy Joint? Common arthritis myths debunked. Moderator Central An online resource for moderators of . .... ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.3/1391 - Release Date: 4/22/2008 8:15 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2008 Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 well, I have to agree with the chocolate gene- my mom has one for dark chocolate- bitter dark chocolate. but my dad has a serious addiction to chocolate, too. that is why I am cursed! LOL From: Roni Molin Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 12:29 AM hypothyroidism Subject: Re: Hypothermia and hypothyroidism Of course not! I have that gene. Roni nancie barnett <deifspirit@...> wrote: are you disagreeing with the concept? From: Roni Molin Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 12:18 AM hypothyroidism Subject: Re: Hypothermia and hypothyroidism Hahahaha! I bet there is a chocolate gene, since so many people love it. What's more, the chocolate gene is much more common in women than men. Roni nancie barnett wrote: alcohol abuse is what lead to the finding that gene. we started looking at the genetic expression of alcholics and what they found was a genetic code that is found in the majority of individuals and family members. it is the same concept as in drug abuse. From: Crystal Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 4:52 PM hypothyroidism Subject: Re: Hypothermia and hypothyroidism I agree that things like that can run in families, however I do not think genetics is involved. I know there has been alcohol around for a long time, but what if there was no alcohol? Would there still be a gene for alcohol abuse? Cw -- Re: Hypothermia and hypothyroidism genetic must be a code word for we do not know WTF we are doing Gracia it is one of the symptoms of hypo T. having a low temp is also a sign that your metabolism is slow. but it also can be genetic- that is it can run in families, where there is no thyroid disease. Recent Activity a.. 11New Members Visit Your Group Meditation and Lovingkindness A Group to share and learn. Health Achy Joint? Common arthritis myths debunked. Moderator Central An online resource for moderators of . .... ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.3/1391 - Release Date: 4/22/2008 8:15 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2008 Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 My father had an alcohol addiction - but I'm addicted to sweets in general, dark chocolate in particular. Dusty Re: Hypothermia and hypothyroidism genetic must be a code word for we do not know WTF we are doing Gracia it is one of the symptoms of hypo T. having a low temp is also a sign that your metabolism is slow. but it also can be genetic- that is it can run in families, where there is no thyroid disease. Recent Activity a.. 11New Members Visit Your Group Meditation and Lovingkindness A Group to share and learn. Health Achy Joint? Common arthritis myths debunked. Moderator Central An online resource for moderators of . .... ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.3/1391 - Release Date: 4/22/2008 8:15 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2008 Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 When I was discussing the best way to lose weight one day with my doctor, I teased that I'd follow anything he suggested, except I had to have my chocolate. His answer was, Oh, another one. He probably is not, because he is very skinny. Roni nancie barnett <deifspirit@...> wrote: well, I have to agree with the chocolate gene- my mom has one for dark chocolate- bitter dark chocolate. but my dad has a serious addiction to chocolate, too. that is why I am cursed! LOL From: Roni Molin Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 12:29 AM hypothyroidism Subject: Re: Hypothermia and hypothyroidism Of course not! I have that gene. Roni nancie barnett wrote: are you disagreeing with the concept? From: Roni Molin Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 12:18 AM hypothyroidism Subject: Re: Hypothermia and hypothyroidism Hahahaha! I bet there is a chocolate gene, since so many people love it. What's more, the chocolate gene is much more common in women than men. Roni nancie barnett wrote: alcohol abuse is what lead to the finding that gene. we started looking at the genetic expression of alcholics and what they found was a genetic code that is found in the majority of individuals and family members. it is the same concept as in drug abuse. From: Crystal Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 4:52 PM hypothyroidism Subject: Re: Hypothermia and hypothyroidism I agree that things like that can run in families, however I do not think genetics is involved. I know there has been alcohol around for a long time, but what if there was no alcohol? Would there still be a gene for alcohol abuse? Cw -- Re: Hypothermia and hypothyroidism genetic must be a code word for we do not know WTF we are doing Gracia it is one of the symptoms of hypo T. having a low temp is also a sign that your metabolism is slow. but it also can be genetic- that is it can run in families, where there is no thyroid disease. Recent Activity a.. 11New Members Visit Your Group Meditation and Lovingkindness A Group to share and learn. Health Achy Joint? Common arthritis myths debunked. Moderator Central An online resource for moderators of . .... ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.3/1391 - Release Date: 4/22/2008 8:15 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2008 Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 Now with the atrial fibrillation I have, I can't eat very much chocolate at one time, so I guess it's better for my invisible waist. Roni Dusty <dusty@...> wrote: My father had an alcohol addiction - but I'm addicted to sweets in general, dark chocolate in particular. Dusty Re: Hypothermia and hypothyroidism genetic must be a code word for we do not know WTF we are doing Gracia it is one of the symptoms of hypo T. having a low temp is also a sign that your metabolism is slow. but it also can be genetic- that is it can run in families, where there is no thyroid disease. Recent Activity a.. 11New Members Visit Your Group Meditation and Lovingkindness A Group to share and learn. Health Achy Joint? Common arthritis myths debunked. Moderator Central An online resource for moderators of . .... ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.3/1391 - Release Date: 4/22/2008 8:15 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2008 Report Share Posted April 24, 2008 do you remember when only men got heart disease? do you remember when heart disease was determined to be genetic, and only the males carried the gene? how are epidemics genetic? this is belef masquerading as science. gracia well, since thyroid disease is from faulty genes aka genetic code, it is relevant. regardless of the cause of the thyroid disease it all comes down to a defective gene or genes. some whhere in the genetic genome something caused the thyroid to go faulty whether it is from an auto-immune trigger or from cancer or simply a defective code sequence from unknown causes or from family history- it is the genes that actually cause the problem. Recent Activity a.. 11New Members Visit Your Group Meditation and Lovingkindness A Group to share and learn. Health Asthma Triggers How you can identify them. Drive Traffic Sponsored Search can help increase your site traffic. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2008 Report Share Posted April 24, 2008 this is just confusion. this is how we end up with poor medical treatment. gracia it is not that it is hard for gracia- it is that she refuses to accept basic facts concerning how the body functions. she is so against allopathic medicine that she refuses to accept basic physiology and human biology which the natural medicine providers all study to become a provider. genetics are the very basic foundation of how the body works. it is like she forgets that she is made up of genes and instead is made up from batteries or machine parts that tell her body how to function. it is ridiculous. Recent Activity a.. 11New Members Visit Your Group Health Memory Loss Are you at risk for Alzheimers? Meditation and Lovingkindness A Group to share and learn. Moderator Central Get the latest news from the team. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2008 Report Share Posted April 24, 2008 LOL From: Gracia Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 6:09 AM hypothyroidism Subject: Re: Hypothermia and hypothyroidism do you remember when only men got heart disease? do you remember when heart disease was determined to be genetic, and only the males carried the gene? how are epidemics genetic? this is belef masquerading as science. gracia well, since thyroid disease is from faulty genes aka genetic code, it is relevant. regardless of the cause of the thyroid disease it all comes down to a defective gene or genes. some whhere in the genetic genome something caused the thyroid to go faulty whether it is from an auto-immune trigger or from cancer or simply a defective code sequence from unknown causes or from family history- it is the genes that actually cause the problem. Recent Activity a.. 11New Members Visit Your Group Meditation and Lovingkindness A Group to share and learn. Health Asthma Triggers How you can identify them. Drive Traffic Sponsored Search can help increase your site traffic. .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2008 Report Share Posted April 24, 2008 my step sister julia was just 35 when diagnosed with afib. she had to give up chocolate for 5 years . now she can have it in tiny amounts. she switched her addiction from chocolate to mints. lol myself, I am not that big of an addict- compared to my parents. my real addiction is to licorice, which if eaten in excess can cause severe pedal edema and third spacing. I know from personal experience, lol nancie From: Roni Molin Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 7:13 PM hypothyroidism Subject: RE: Hypothermia and hypothyroidism Now with the atrial fibrillation I have, I can't eat very much chocolate at one time, so I guess it's better for my invisible waist. Roni Dusty <dusty@...> wrote: My father had an alcohol addiction - but I'm addicted to sweets in general, dark chocolate in particular. Dusty Re: Hypothermia and hypothyroidism genetic must be a code word for we do not know WTF we are doing Gracia it is one of the symptoms of hypo T. having a low temp is also a sign that your metabolism is slow. but it also can be genetic- that is it can run in families, where there is no thyroid disease. Recent Activity a.. 11New Members Visit Your Group Meditation and Lovingkindness A Group to share and learn. Health Achy Joint? Common arthritis myths debunked. Moderator Central An online resource for moderators of . .... ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.3/1391 - Release Date: 4/22/2008 8:15 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2008 Report Share Posted April 24, 2008 Agreeing with a foolish and uninformed statement does not make it any more likely correct. > > Re: Hypothermia and hypothyroidism > <hypothyroidism/message/37812;_ylc=X3oDMTJxM2FlOTd\ iBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMzc4MTIEc2V\ jA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTIwODkwOTI4Mg--> > > > > Posted by: " Crystal " sweetnwright@... > <mailto:sweetnwright@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Hypothermia%20and%20hypothyroidi\ sm> > sweetenloe1 <sweetenloe1> > > > Tue Apr 22, 2008 4:33 pm (PDT) > > I don't think there is an alcoholic gene sorry. They say there is, but I > doubt it! Gracia was basically saying that if they don't know the cause > they blame genetics. I agree. > cw > > -- Re: Hypothermia and hypothyroidism > > Do you understand- that it is your genes that control every cell in your > body which includes your thyroid?? so, of course it is going to be > controlled by genetics! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2008 Report Share Posted April 24, 2008 There have been a number of studies that suggested that genetics may be a factor in alcoholism. If you have a credible source that states that such a gene has been discovered I'd appreciate a link. What I've seen suggests there are probably a number of factors in the tendency toward alcoholism, and that genetics _may_ be one of them; but no conclusive evidence that I've seen. > Re: Hypothermia and hypothyroidism > <hypothyroidism/message/37812;_ylc=X3oDMTJxM2FlOTd\ iBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMzc4MTIEc2V\ jA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTIwODkwOTI4Mg--> > > > > Posted by: " Crystal " sweetnwright@... > <mailto:sweetnwright@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Hypothermia%20and%20hypothyroidi\ sm> > sweetenloe1 <sweetenloe1> > > > Tue Apr 22, 2008 4:33 pm (PDT) > > I don't think there is an alcoholic gene sorry. They say there is, but I > doubt it! Gracia was basically saying that if they don't know the cause > they blame genetics. I agree. > cw > > -- Re: Hypothermia and hypothyroidism > > Haha. I think they blame genetics way too often! > cw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2008 Report Share Posted April 24, 2008 I'm afraid it's quite a bit more complicated than that. First of all, AFAIK there has NOT been a gene identified for alcoholism; and if there were to be it probably had some other original purpose. If anyone can point to a link to contradict that I would appreciate it; because what I don't know about genetics fills many books. But I do know that there are genetic traits that skip generations; so that a person whose parents both have black hair may have a child truly theirs who has red hair. But there are expressed and unexpressed genes; although that's probably not the correct terminology. For example, chickens have unexpressed genes for teeth from the prehistoric time when they evolved from dinosaurs. Scientists have found those genes and turned them on in chick embryos, and they start to develop teeth. However, they do not survive long enough to hatch; so you're not likely to be seeing a chicken with teeth any time soon! Humans probably have unexpressed genes from the time that we had tails and lived in trees. <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinosaur> > > Re: Hypothermia and hypothyroidism > <hypothyroidism/message/37817;_ylc=X3oDMTJxb2dwZWZ\ tBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMzc4MTcEc2V\ jA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTIwODkwOTI4Mg--> > > > > Posted by: " Roni Molin " matchermaam@... > <mailto:matchermaam@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Hypothermia%20and%20hypothyroid\ ism> > matchermaam <matchermaam> > > > Tue Apr 22, 2008 5:06 pm (PDT) > > Have you ever heard of a gene defect? That is when there is a gene > with a defect, and if both parents have the same defective gene, then > the child gets the defective gene too. If only one parent has it, it's > possible for a child of theirs not to have it. > It has nothing to do with heredity, it has to do with what genes the > child is made from. Since all the genes the child gets are from two > sources, the mother and the father, those are the only two places that > they can get their genes. > Two copies of a gene means that the child got those copies from both > parents and cannot avoid having the problem, other than never to drink > at all. > Haven't you ever wondered why some people can drink and not become > addicted and some people do become addicted.? That is the reason. > Again, it has notthing to do with what you believe. It's a fact. > > Roni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2008 Report Share Posted April 24, 2008 .. we have found regions on chromosomes 1, 2, 7 and 11 that point to a probable genetic source. here are some info: http://www.ama-assn.org/amednews/2001/02/05/hlsa0205.htm http://www.news-medical.net/?id=31694 http://www.niaaa.nih.gov/ResearchInformation/ExtramuralResearch/SharedResources/\ projcoga.htm http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/12242/genetics_and_alcoholism.html nancie From: Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 1:40 PM hypothyroidism Subject: Re: Hypothermia and hypothyroidism I'm afraid it's quite a bit more complicated than that. First of all, AFAIK there has NOT been a gene identified for alcoholism; and if there were to be it probably had some other original purpose. If anyone can point to a link to contradict that I would appreciate it; because what I don't know about genetics fills many books. But I do know that there are genetic traits that skip generations; so that a person whose parents both have black hair may have a child truly theirs who has red hair. But there are expressed and unexpressed genes; although that's probably not the correct terminology. For example, chickens have unexpressed genes for teeth from the prehistoric time when they evolved from dinosaurs. Scientists have found those genes and turned them on in chick embryos, and they start to develop teeth. However, they do not survive long enough to hatch; so you're not likely to be seeing a chicken with teeth any time soon! Humans probably have unexpressed genes from the time that we had tails and lived in trees. <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinosaur> > > Re: Hypothermia and hypothyroidism > <hypothyroidism/message/37817;_ylc=X3oDMTJxb2dwZWZ\ tBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMzc4MTcEc2V\ jA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTIwODkwOTI4Mg--> > > > > Posted by: " Roni Molin " matchermaam@... > <mailto:matchermaam@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Hypothermia%20and%20hypothyroid\ ism> > matchermaam <matchermaam> > > > Tue Apr 22, 2008 5:06 pm (PDT) > > Have you ever heard of a gene defect? That is when there is a gene > with a defect, and if both parents have the same defective gene, then > the child gets the defective gene too. If only one parent has it, it's > possible for a child of theirs not to have it. > It has nothing to do with heredity, it has to do with what genes the > child is made from. Since all the genes the child gets are from two > sources, the mother and the father, those are the only two places that > they can get their genes. > Two copies of a gene means that the child got those copies from both > parents and cannot avoid having the problem, other than never to drink > at all. > Haven't you ever wondered why some people can drink and not become > addicted and some people do become addicted.? That is the reason. > Again, it has notthing to do with what you believe. It's a fact. > > Roni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2008 Report Share Posted April 24, 2008 Are you saying that a specific gene has been identified; or is it more an indication of a possible/probably genetic link? If such a gene has been positively identified I'd appreciate a url to check it out. I haven't heard of such. But then I'm not in a medical field... > > > Re: Hypothermia and hypothyroidism > <hypothyroidism/message/37826;_ylc=X3oDMTJxOTVhdGp\ tBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMzc4MjYEc2V\ jA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTIwODkzNjU3OQ--> > > > > Posted by: " nancie barnett " deifspirit@... > <mailto:deifspirit@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Hypothermia%20and%20hypothyroidism\ > > aspenfairy1 <aspenfairy1> > > > Tue Apr 22, 2008 8:52 pm (PDT) > > alcohol abuse is what lead to the finding that gene. we started > looking at the genetic expression of alcholics and what they found was > a genetic code that is found in the majority of individuals and family > members. > it is the same concept as in drug abuse. > > From: Crystal > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 4:52 PM > hypothyroidism > <mailto:hypothyroidism%40> > Subject: Re: Hypothermia and hypothyroidism > > I agree that things like that can run in families, however I do not think > genetics is involved. I know there has been alcohol around for a long > time, > but what if there was no alcohol? Would there still be a gene for alcohol > abuse? > Cw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2008 Report Share Posted April 24, 2008 I don't like licorice, so that has never been a problem. I did enjoy coffee, and a hershey bar here and there, but alas these things are verboten with the afib. I have found a happy alternative to the coffee in green teas(decaf), and of course, I can drink decaf coffee, but it is not exactly the same. Unfortunately, the hershey bar seems to be the biggest culprit, can you believe it? The small one I'm talking about. I have also tried a better quality of chocolate in small amounts, and I seem to be okay with that, so all is not lost, but I haven't had any at all in months. Roni nancie barnett <deifspirit@...> wrote: my step sister julia was just 35 when diagnosed with afib. she had to give up chocolate for 5 years . now she can have it in tiny amounts. she switched her addiction from chocolate to mints. lol myself, I am not that big of an addict- compared to my parents. my real addiction is to licorice, which if eaten in excess can cause severe pedal edema and third spacing. I know from personal experience, lol nancie From: Roni Molin Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 7:13 PM hypothyroidism Subject: RE: Hypothermia and hypothyroidism Now with the atrial fibrillation I have, I can't eat very much chocolate at one time, so I guess it's better for my invisible waist. Roni Dusty wrote: My father had an alcohol addiction - but I'm addicted to sweets in general, dark chocolate in particular. Dusty Re: Hypothermia and hypothyroidism genetic must be a code word for we do not know WTF we are doing Gracia it is one of the symptoms of hypo T. having a low temp is also a sign that your metabolism is slow. but it also can be genetic- that is it can run in families, where there is no thyroid disease. Recent Activity a.. 11New Members Visit Your Group Meditation and Lovingkindness A Group to share and learn. Health Achy Joint? Common arthritis myths debunked. Moderator Central An online resource for moderators of . .... ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.3/1391 - Release Date: 4/22/2008 8:15 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2008 Report Share Posted April 24, 2008 Garden of Life has a chocolate energy bar that is good and good for you. Expensive though. I say this after I just shared a bag of m & m's with my two girls:) cw -- Re: Hypothermia and hypothyroidism genetic must be a code word for we do not know WTF we are doing Gracia it is one of the symptoms of hypo T. having a low temp is also a sign that your metabolism is slow. but it also can be genetic- that is it can run in families, where there is no thyroid disease. Recent Activity a.. 11New Members Visit Your Group Meditation and Lovingkindness A Group to share and learn. Health Achy Joint? Common arthritis myths debunked. Moderator Central An online resource for moderators of . ..... ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.3/1391 - Release Date: 4/22/2008 8:15 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2008 Report Share Posted April 24, 2008 I am aware that dark chocolate is good for you, and I love chocolate. However, with Afib, the caffeine in chocolate triggers the Afib, and that is not good. Roni Crystal <sweetnwright@...> wrote: Garden of Life has a chocolate energy bar that is good and good for you. Expensive though. I say this after I just shared a bag of m & m's with my two girls:) cw -- Re: Hypothermia and hypothyroidism genetic must be a code word for we do not know WTF we are doing Gracia it is one of the symptoms of hypo T. having a low temp is also a sign that your metabolism is slow. but it also can be genetic- that is it can run in families, where there is no thyroid disease. Recent Activity a.. 11New Members Visit Your Group Meditation and Lovingkindness A Group to share and learn. Health Achy Joint? Common arthritis myths debunked. Moderator Central An online resource for moderators of . ..... ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.3/1391 - Release Date: 4/22/2008 8:15 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2008 Report Share Posted April 24, 2008 Poor thang. Speaking of caffeine. I'm getting a headache. Blah! cw -- Re: Hypothermia and hypothyroidism genetic must be a code word for we do not know WTF we are doing Gracia it is one of the symptoms of hypo T. having a low temp is also a sign that your metabolism is slow. but it also can be genetic- that is it can run in families, where there is no thyroid disease. Recent Activity a.. 11New Members Visit Your Group Meditation and Lovingkindness A Group to share and learn. Health Achy Joint? Common arthritis myths debunked. Moderator Central An online resource for moderators of . ...... ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.3/1391 - Release Date: 4/22/2008 8:15 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2008 Report Share Posted April 24, 2008 Gracia, that's an utter crock. Please give a reference that states that heart disease is exclusively genetic or that it is exclusively male. Not even the iodine docs are that big a group of quacks... > > Re: Hypothermia and hypothyroidism > <hypothyroidism/message/37861;_ylc=X3oDMTJxZ3Q4bGp\ sBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMzc4NjEEc2V\ jA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTIwOTA3MjI0OQ--> > > > > Posted by: " Gracia " circe@... > <mailto:circe@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Hypothermia%20and%20hypothyroidism> > graciabee <graciabee> > > > Thu Apr 24, 2008 7:02 am (PDT) > > > do you remember when only men got heart disease? do you remember when > heart disease was determined to be genetic, and only the males carried > the gene? how are epidemics genetic? this is belef masquerading as > science. > gracia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2008 Report Share Posted April 24, 2008 when I know I am going to have a latte- I just take more magnesium and extra adrenal support, lol I have tried to give up coffee but I just can't do it. I have cut down on the amount though. I don't necessarily drink it on a daily basis anymore. if I am on call, then of course I will drink more, especially if I have to leave the house in the middle of the night or end up being awake for more than 24 hours....then I live in either peets; starbucks or coffee bean and tea leaf coffee shops. lol nancie From: Roni Molin Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 2:34 PM hypothyroidism Subject: Re: Hypothermia and hypothyroidism I don't like licorice, so that has never been a problem. I did enjoy coffee, and a hershey bar here and there, but alas these things are verboten with the afib. I have found a happy alternative to the coffee in green teas(decaf), and of course, I can drink decaf coffee, but it is not exactly the same. Unfortunately, the hershey bar seems to be the biggest culprit, can you believe it? The small one I'm talking about. I have also tried a better quality of chocolate in small amounts, and I seem to be okay with that, so all is not lost, but I haven't had any at all in months. Roni nancie barnett <deifspirit@...> wrote: my step sister julia was just 35 when diagnosed with afib. she had to give up chocolate for 5 years . now she can have it in tiny amounts. she switched her addiction from chocolate to mints. lol myself, I am not that big of an addict- compared to my parents. my real addiction is to licorice, which if eaten in excess can cause severe pedal edema and third spacing. I know from personal experience, lol nancie From: Roni Molin Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 7:13 PM hypothyroidism Subject: RE: Hypothermia and hypothyroidism Now with the atrial fibrillation I have, I can't eat very much chocolate at one time, so I guess it's better for my invisible waist. Roni Dusty wrote: My father had an alcohol addiction - but I'm addicted to sweets in general, dark chocolate in particular. Dusty Re: Hypothermia and hypothyroidism genetic must be a code word for we do not know WTF we are doing Gracia it is one of the symptoms of hypo T. having a low temp is also a sign that your metabolism is slow. but it also can be genetic- that is it can run in families, where there is no thyroid disease. Recent Activity a.. 11New Members Visit Your Group Meditation and Lovingkindness A Group to share and learn. Health Achy Joint? Common arthritis myths debunked. Moderator Central An online resource for moderators of . .... ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.3/1391 - Release Date: 4/22/2008 8:15 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2008 Report Share Posted April 24, 2008 james, did you see my more recent post with some links? From: Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 2:15 PM hypothyroidism Subject: Re: Hypothermia and hypothyroidism Are you saying that a specific gene has been identified; or is it more an indication of a possible/probably genetic link? If such a gene has been positively identified I'd appreciate a url to check it out. I haven't heard of such. But then I'm not in a medical field... > > > Re: Hypothermia and hypothyroidism > <hypothyroidism/message/37826;_ylc=X3oDMTJxOTVhdGp\ tBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMzc4MjYEc2V\ jA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTIwODkzNjU3OQ--> > > > > Posted by: " nancie barnett " deifspirit@... > <mailto:deifspirit@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Hypothermia%20and%20hypothyroidism\ > > aspenfairy1 <aspenfairy1> > > > Tue Apr 22, 2008 8:52 pm (PDT) > > alcohol abuse is what lead to the finding that gene. we started > looking at the genetic expression of alcholics and what they found was > a genetic code that is found in the majority of individuals and family > members. > it is the same concept as in drug abuse. > > From: Crystal > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 4:52 PM > hypothyroidism > <mailto:hypothyroidism%40> > Subject: Re: Hypothermia and hypothyroidism > > I agree that things like that can run in families, however I do not think > genetics is involved. I know there has been alcohol around for a long > time, > but what if there was no alcohol? Would there still be a gene for alcohol > abuse? > Cw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2008 Report Share Posted April 25, 2008 Nancie What's exactly the co relation between magnesium and Hypo T?.What's the ideal daily recommended dosage that we can take,if we do consume large amounts of coffee?Thanks.Roseanne. nancie barnett <deifspirit@...> wrote: when I know I am going to have a latte- I just take more magnesium and extra adrenal support, lol I have tried to give up coffee but I just can't do it. I have cut down on the amount though. I don't necessarily drink it on a daily basis anymore. if I am on call, then of course I will drink more, especially if I have to leave the house in the middle of the night or end up being awake for more than 24 hours....then I live in either peets; starbucks or coffee bean and tea leaf coffee shops. lol nancie From: Roni Molin Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 2:34 PM hypothyroidism Subject: Re: Hypothermia and hypothyroidism I don't like licorice, so that has never been a problem. I did enjoy coffee, and a hershey bar here and there, but alas these things are verboten with the afib. I have found a happy alternative to the coffee in green teas(decaf), and of course, I can drink decaf coffee, but it is not exactly the same. Unfortunately, the hershey bar seems to be the biggest culprit, can you believe it? The small one I'm talking about. I have also tried a better quality of chocolate in small amounts, and I seem to be okay with that, so all is not lost, but I haven't had any at all in months. Roni nancie barnett <deifspirit@...> wrote: my step sister julia was just 35 when diagnosed with afib. she had to give up chocolate for 5 years . now she can have it in tiny amounts. she switched her addiction from chocolate to mints. lol myself, I am not that big of an addict- compared to my parents. my real addiction is to licorice, which if eaten in excess can cause severe pedal edema and third spacing. I know from personal experience, lol nancie From: Roni Molin Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 7:13 PM hypothyroidism Subject: RE: Hypothermia and hypothyroidism Now with the atrial fibrillation I have, I can't eat very much chocolate at one time, so I guess it's better for my invisible waist. Roni Dusty wrote: My father had an alcohol addiction - but I'm addicted to sweets in general, dark chocolate in particular. Dusty Re: Hypothermia and hypothyroidism genetic must be a code word for we do not know WTF we are doing Gracia it is one of the symptoms of hypo T. having a low temp is also a sign that your metabolism is slow. but it also can be genetic- that is it can run in families, where there is no thyroid disease. Recent Activity a.. 11New Members Visit Your Group Meditation and Lovingkindness A Group to share and learn. Health Achy Joint? Common arthritis myths debunked. Moderator Central An online resource for moderators of . ..... ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.3/1391 - Release Date: 4/22/2008 8:15 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2008 Report Share Posted April 25, 2008 well, magnesium is a muscle relaxant and it helps calm or decrease the heart rate. I started taking it because I was not tolerating the armour dose increases very well and I was getting tachycardia/rapid heart rate. so, another member here suggested taking magnesium because I can't take iodine because of a severe allergy to it. he too takes 600 mg a day. I started with that and then I started getting diarrhea, so I backed down my dose to 500 mg per day. although sometimes I take only 450 mg per day. then I noticed that if I drank a lot of caffeine or espresso, that the 500 mg wouldn't hold me, so I tried 600 mg again for those times and it has worked to keep the heart rate down. magnesium is not necessarily a hypo T treatment- it is usually used to calm the heart rate as you adjust to the T1-3 in the armour. it is used with calcium because calcium is constipating and magnesium can act as a laxative. SO, to answer you question what dose you should take, you will have to experiment and see which dose works for you. they usually come in 150 mg and 450 mg strength capsules. and if you take calcium supplements, it is usually bundled in the pill, so you need to account for that dose too. otherwise you will end up with some bad diarrhea. I hope I have helped. peace, nancie From: Roseanne ralph Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 12:07 AM hypothyroidism Subject: Re: Hypothermia and hypothyroidism Nancie What's exactly the co relation between magnesium and Hypo T?.What's the ideal daily recommended dosage that we can take,if we do consume large amounts of coffee?Thanks.Roseanne. nancie barnett <deifspirit@...> wrote: when I know I am going to have a latte- I just take more magnesium and extra adrenal support, lol I have tried to give up coffee but I just can't do it. I have cut down on the amount though. I don't necessarily drink it on a daily basis anymore. if I am on call, then of course I will drink more, especially if I have to leave the house in the middle of the night or end up being awake for more than 24 hours....then I live in either peets; starbucks or coffee bean and tea leaf coffee shops. lol nancie From: Roni Molin Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 2:34 PM hypothyroidism Subject: Re: Hypothermia and hypothyroidism I don't like licorice, so that has never been a problem. I did enjoy coffee, and a hershey bar here and there, but alas these things are verboten with the afib. I have found a happy alternative to the coffee in green teas(decaf), and of course, I can drink decaf coffee, but it is not exactly the same. Unfortunately, the hershey bar seems to be the biggest culprit, can you believe it? The small one I'm talking about. I have also tried a better quality of chocolate in small amounts, and I seem to be okay with that, so all is not lost, but I haven't had any at all in months. Roni nancie barnett <deifspirit@...> wrote: my step sister julia was just 35 when diagnosed with afib. she had to give up chocolate for 5 years . now she can have it in tiny amounts. she switched her addiction from chocolate to mints. lol myself, I am not that big of an addict- compared to my parents. my real addiction is to licorice, which if eaten in excess can cause severe pedal edema and third spacing. I know from personal experience, lol nancie From: Roni Molin Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 7:13 PM hypothyroidism Subject: RE: Hypothermia and hypothyroidism Now with the atrial fibrillation I have, I can't eat very much chocolate at one time, so I guess it's better for my invisible waist. Roni Dusty wrote: My father had an alcohol addiction - but I'm addicted to sweets in general, dark chocolate in particular. Dusty Re: Hypothermia and hypothyroidism genetic must be a code word for we do not know WTF we are doing Gracia it is one of the symptoms of hypo T. having a low temp is also a sign that your metabolism is slow. but it also can be genetic- that is it can run in families, where there is no thyroid disease. Recent Activity a.. 11New Members Visit Your Group Meditation and Lovingkindness A Group to share and learn. Health Achy Joint? Common arthritis myths debunked. Moderator Central An online resource for moderators of . ..... ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.3/1391 - Release Date: 4/22/2008 8:15 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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