Re: Armour alone

January 17, 2008

I was on prednisone back in the 1980's. I blew up like a balloon and

even after I was taken off of it, I had water retention problems for

years and then I found out I was hypoT. Had not had any relief until I

went on Armour. I will NEVER go on the drug again, I will absolutely

refuse. The side effects were horrendous.

Venizia

-- In hypothyroidism , " Dusty " <dusty@...> wrote:

>

> My father was on long term prednisone and inhaled steroids for COPD.

His

> skin became so thin that it broke open to the most incredibly light

touch.

> His internal organs began leaking blood and his fluid problem was just

> awful. When J. Hopkins hospital decided to wean/remove him from

steroids

> altogther because the side effects were so awful for him - he

drowned in his

> own fluids, despite the lasix. He died a much more horrible death from

> steroids than my Mom did from lung cancer. I don't blame you for being

> cautious.

>

> Dusty

>

> Re: Armour alone

>

> I am, at the moment I am just taking armour. I am deathly allergic

to iodine

> and I am wary of taking any bio-identical steroids because of being

on 10

> years of high dose decadron as part of my chemo for lupus. that

> gluccosteroid destroyed my body and caused me to gain lots of weight and

> become extremely sensitive to salt and also screwed up my

fluid-electrolyte

> balance system permanently.. so, I now third space all the time aka

> retaining fluid.

> so, right now I take just the armour. at the moment I am battling a

virus

> and taking huge amounts of vit. C, so I can't do the 24 hour urine

adrenal

> test. once I get better and off the vit. c which can interfere with the

> results of the adrenal test- I will do the test and send it into the

lab.

> nancie

> Re: Armour alone

>

> Are any of you just on Armour alone, without any other

> hormone replacements or supplements?

>

> Thanks,

>

January 17, 2008

Hi Venizia,

I am taking a brand called Raw Adrenal by Natural Sources. Here is a website.

I know that you are sensitive to sulfites, so I don't know if there are any

sulfites in this. They also add other vitamins to the formula.

Here is a website on it.

www.evitamins.com/product.asp?pid=2720

Let me know what you think.

Blessings,

----------------------------------------------------------------

Hi ,

What brand of adrenal support are you taking? Are you doing this on

your own or thru a doctor? I am thinking of looking into this further.

Thanks,

Venizia

January 17, 2008

Thank you, Roni! That helps a lot.

--- Roni Molin <matchermaam@...> wrote:

> Here you go . Check this list and find yourself

> a doctor.

>

http://www.thyroid.org/patients/spec_results.php?location_type=state & state=al

>

> Roni

>

> Silver <susanjsilver@...> wrote:

>

> Birmingham, Alabama. It's really like a different

> country here.

>

> --- Roni Molin <matchermaam@...> wrote:

>

> > What are are you in ?

> >

> > Roni

> >

> > Silver <susanjsilver@...> wrote:

> > -

> >

> > Wow, a vegan for 7 years. That's a lot of

> > discipline!

> >

> > My TSH is now 9.677. I don't know what kind of

> > hypotyroidism I have. My doctor just pushed

> > Synthroid

> > at me without explaining a thing. (I'm new to my

> > area,

> > and haven't found a good doctor yet.) Is that

> > something that someone on the list could tell me

> if

> > I

> > post my blood test results?

> >

> > And, as a side note, I have to admit, I grimaced

> as

> > I

> > was writing my age and my desire to have a baby. I

> > realize that risk increases with age, and I

> expected

> > a

> > slew of responses telling me that I was too old.

> So,

> > it's great for me to hear that you're 35 and

> wanting

> > another. It makes it less scary.

> >

> > --- and Irwin

> > <familyirwin@...> wrote:

> >

> > > Hi ,

> > >

> > > Thanks for your reply. I should also say, I

> still

> > > have the breast pain, but am looking into

> Evening

> > > primrose oil and Vitamin E. As well as

> Wheatgrass

> > > shots, and more carrot juice!!

> > >

> > > Yes, I was a vegan for 7 years, didn't eat the

> > > greatest though. I ate soy in almost everything.

>

> > > Then I found the connection with soy and

> thyroid,

> > > and got stopped eating it for the most part. It

> is

> > > still in somethings, like my Earth Balance

> buttery

> > > spread, although I don't eat that very often. I

> > > still try to avoid dairy as much as possible. I

> > did

> > > end up eating organic free range eggs, and that

> > has

> > > helped with my health in a lot of ways, as I was

> > so

> > > ill by that time I had to try something. It was

> so

> > > hard to break the vegan thing for me, but after

> > > studying with a Natropath, he has healed a lot

> of

> > > people's ailments by adding Raw eggs. (YUK!)

> But,

> > > especially because I had a lot of heavy metals,

> > and

> > > the eggs help bind the metals. I also eat Wild

> > > Alaskan Salmon sparingly. I had major B-12

> > > deficiency and Vitamin D deficiency. So, now I

> am

> > > also supplementing those as well. Both have come

> > > back into normal range. That has been big for

> me.

> > > So, for the most part, I am

> > > still vegetarian with occasional eggs and

> salmon.

> > >

> > > What is your TSH right now? Also, if you want to

> > > have a baby, it sounds like you are doing good

> > > things with avoiding soy and getting a lot of

> > > nutrition. Did you say that you didn't have

> > > autoimmune? I know that Soy can bring on

> > > Hypothryoid in people.

> > >

> > > I know for me, my TSH was below 2 when I was

> > > pregnant, and I made sure it stayed there. It's

> > > really critical for proper development, but I am

> > > sure you've looked into all of that.

> > >

> > > Yes, I want another baby too. I am 35, and

> really

> > > really really want another one!! They are the

> most

> > > incredible beakons of love, joy, and happiness.

> > >

> > > Hugs,

> > >

> > > Silver <susanjsilver@...> wrote:

> > > Hi ,

> > >

> > > Please don't apologize for the long letter.

> > Believe

> > > me, it is much appreciated! I don't yet have

> > > symptoms,

> > > so I am trying to avoid even taking Armour. I'm

> > > radically changing my diet, mostly by

> eliminiating

> > > soy, which until now, as a vegetarian, I've

> > > basically

> > > lived on. I was curious as to whether thyroid

> > > problems

> > > necessarily come with other problems. I want to

> > have

> > > a

> > > baby (soon!-I'm already 37!) and am a bit

> > > overwhelmed

> > > with all the talk of everything (adrenals, etc.)

> > > coming into play. I don't know if I have time

> for

> > > such

> > > a long journey It's all so complicated, so

> long

> > > letters are just fine!

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > >

> > > --- and Irwin

> > > <familyirwin@...> wrote:

> > >

> > > > HI ,

> > > > I was for about 6 months. I noticed that I

> kept

> > > > gaining weight, and when I increased to 3 1/2

> > > > grains, my hair started falling out. Now, I am

> > on

> > > 2

> > > > grains, my hair has stopped pretty much

> fallilng

> > > > out. I also noticed that I had breast pain 2

> > weeks

> > > > before period since starting Armour.

> > > >

> > > > But, all of my research and other people's

> > input,

> > > > have suggested I need adrenal meds. I believe

> > this

> > > > is true for me, because I went to the HFS and

> > > > purchased Raw Adrenal (mild dose) and I

> started

> > > > noticing a huge difference in just 1 week.

> Some

> > > > call this placebo, but I think there is

> > something

> > > to

> > > > it. I was originally on SINThroid, and had a

> > > > horrible time. I went off it for 3 years. Lost

> a

> > > > ton of weight, like went from 190 to 130 in

> > about

> > > a

> > > > years time. Even though my TSH was sky high at

> > the

> > > > time. I have hashimoto's. So, it could have

> been

> > a

> > > > thyroid storm.

> > > >

> > > > Needed to get back on something, as I felt

> very

> > > > strongly that if I didn't, something bad would

> > > > happen. So, I tried some " thryroid "

> supplements,

> > > > and although it brought my T4 into normal and

> > > > brought my TSH down from 40 to 21, I still

> > needed

> > > to

>

=== message truncated ===

January 17, 2008

According to the genetics of both sides of my family, I should have

been an amazon. <grin> As it stands now, I am the shortest of any of

the children on both sides, including grand children, and that

includes " my " grand children. When I was still a kid, it totally

sucked that instead of giving my annoying siblings my hand-me-downs,

I got their icky hand-me-ups. I was wearing little girl's size 14

until I had my first child, and then I moved into size 5 petite

(isn't that now a size " 0 " ). :-O

Gee it would be cool to get back into " that " size again.

Sam :-D

> All of our hormones work together and thyroid hormones

are at the top

> of the list. Interesting thing is ovaries, uterus, breast, etc all

> have iodine receptors, and so also need to have enough of that.

>

> Were you taking any type of iodine supplements when you

discontinued

> soy? Sometimes they can initially temporarily raise TSH. Or perhaps

> the soy effect had taken hold in your body by that time. Just a

> guess. Mmm, TSH fluctuates during the day - high at one end of the

> day and low at the other end of the day.

>

> Don't discount the effects of ingesting too much soy, tho. It's not

> at all healthy stuff. I've read some reports that just freak me

right

> out.

>

> Well, the first month of my life I was given soy milk rather than

> goat's milk (didn't have bilirubin lights back then). I did not

grow

> or gain any weight at all for the time I was taking soy milk, and

> unlike all 5 of my tall and long waisted siblings, I am extremely

> short waisted with a short body and under 5 feet tall, but my arms

> and legs are long. From finger tip to finger tip, my arm span is

five

> feet 4 (almost 5) inches across, and I have a 34 inch inseam.

>

> [to the peanut gallery: no, my knuckles don't drag on the ground]

>

> Sam :-O

January 17, 2008

Hmmm, ok...well, I betcha you might benefit from some of the info

over at the iodine group, including what's in the files section.

There's some really good stuff in there. If you're interested, here

is a link to the group and a link to another real cool/fun article

that might also prove to be quite informative to you:

iodine

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0FDL/is_1_13/ai_n17212623

Sam

>

> > All of our hormones work together and thyroid

> > hormones are at the top

> > of the list. Interesting thing is ovaries, uterus,

> > breast, etc all

> > have iodine receptors, and so also need to have

> > enough of that.

> >

> > Were you taking any type of iodine supplements when

> > you discontinued

> > soy? Sometimes they can initially temporarily raise

> > TSH. Or perhaps

> > the soy effect had taken hold in your body by that

> > time. Just a

> > guess. Mmm, TSH fluctuates during the day - high at

> > one end of the

> > day and low at the other end of the day.

> >

> > Don't discount the effects of ingesting too much

> > soy, tho. It's not

> > at all healthy stuff. I've read some reports that

> > just freak me right

> > out.

> >

> > Well, the first month of my life I was given soy

> > milk rather than

> > goat's milk (didn't have bilirubin lights back

> > then). I did not grow

> > or gain any weight at all for the time I was taking

> > soy milk, and

> > unlike all 5 of my tall and long waisted siblings, I

> > am extremely

> > short waisted with a short body and under 5 feet

> > tall, but my arms

> > and legs are long. From finger tip to finger tip, my

> > arm span is five

> > feet 4 (almost 5) inches across, and I have a 34

> > inch inseam.

> >

> > [to the peanut gallery: no, my knuckles don't drag

> > on the ground]

> >

> > Sam :-O

January 17, 2008

Yes it would she says with a sigh.

LOL

Roni

Sam <k9gang@...> wrote:

According to the genetics of both sides of my family, I should have

been an amazon. <grin> As it stands now, I am the shortest of any of

the children on both sides, including grand children, and that

includes " my " grand children. When I was still a kid, it totally

sucked that instead of giving my annoying siblings my hand-me-downs,

I got their icky hand-me-ups. I was wearing little girl's size 14

until I had my first child, and then I moved into size 5 petite

(isn't that now a size " 0 " ). :-O

Gee it would be cool to get back into " that " size again.

Sam :-D

> All of our hormones work together and thyroid hormones

are at the top

> of the list. Interesting thing is ovaries, uterus, breast, etc all

> have iodine receptors, and so also need to have enough of that.

>

> Were you taking any type of iodine supplements when you

discontinued

> soy? Sometimes they can initially temporarily raise TSH. Or perhaps

> the soy effect had taken hold in your body by that time. Just a

> guess. Mmm, TSH fluctuates during the day - high at one end of the

> day and low at the other end of the day.

>

> Don't discount the effects of ingesting too much soy, tho. It's not

> at all healthy stuff. I've read some reports that just freak me

right

> out.

>

> Well, the first month of my life I was given soy milk rather than

> goat's milk (didn't have bilirubin lights back then). I did not

grow

> or gain any weight at all for the time I was taking soy milk, and

> unlike all 5 of my tall and long waisted siblings, I am extremely

> short waisted with a short body and under 5 feet tall, but my arms

> and legs are long. From finger tip to finger tip, my arm span is

five

> feet 4 (almost 5) inches across, and I have a 34 inch inseam.

>

> [to the peanut gallery: no, my knuckles don't drag on the ground]

>

> Sam :-O

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SUSAN,

I know a few different people who have had babies in their 40's. The

most important thing is that you take care of your thyroid first since being

hypo during pregnancy can cause your baby brain damage. Have you visited

www.stopthethyroidmadness.com ? There is a link to a top docs list from

there.

cw

-- Re: Armour alone

-

Wow, a vegan for 7 years. That's a lot of discipline!

My TSH is now 9.677. I don't know what kind of

hypotyroidism I have. My doctor just pushed Synthroid

at me without explaining a thing. (I'm new to my area,

and haven't found a good doctor yet.) Is that

something that someone on the list could tell me if I

post my blood test results?

And, as a side note, I have to admit, I grimaced as I

was writing my age and my desire to have a baby. I

realize that risk increases with age, and I expected a

slew of responses telling me that I was too old. So,

it's great for me to hear that you're 35 and wanting

another. It makes it less scary.

--- and Irwin

<familyirwin@...> wrote:

> Hi ,

>

> Thanks for your reply. I should also say, I still

> have the breast pain, but am looking into Evening

> primrose oil and Vitamin E. As well as Wheatgrass

> shots, and more carrot juice!!

>

> Yes, I was a vegan for 7 years, didn't eat the

> greatest though. I ate soy in almost everything.

> Then I found the connection with soy and thyroid,

> and got stopped eating it for the most part. It is

> still in somethings, like my Earth Balance buttery

> spread, although I don't eat that very often. I

> still try to avoid dairy as much as possible. I did

> end up eating organic free range eggs, and that has

> helped with my health in a lot of ways, as I was so

> ill by that time I had to try something. It was so

> hard to break the vegan thing for me, but after

> studying with a Natropath, he has healed a lot of

> people's ailments by adding Raw eggs. (YUK!) But,

> especially because I had a lot of heavy metals, and

> the eggs help bind the metals. I also eat Wild

> Alaskan Salmon sparingly. I had major B-12

> deficiency and Vitamin D deficiency. So, now I am

> also supplementing those as well. Both have come

> back into normal range. That has been big for me.

> So, for the most part, I am

> still vegetarian with occasional eggs and salmon.

>

> What is your TSH right now? Also, if you want to

> have a baby, it sounds like you are doing good

> things with avoiding soy and getting a lot of

> nutrition. Did you say that you didn't have

> autoimmune? I know that Soy can bring on

> Hypothryoid in people.

>

> I know for me, my TSH was below 2 when I was

> pregnant, and I made sure it stayed there. It's

> really critical for proper development, but I am

> sure you've looked into all of that.

>

> Yes, I want another baby too. I am 35, and really

> really really want another one!! They are the most

> incredible beakons of love, joy, and happiness.

>

> Hugs,

>

> Silver <susanjsilver@...> wrote:

> Hi ,

>

> Please don't apologize for the long letter. Believe

> me, it is much appreciated! I don't yet have

> symptoms,

> so I am trying to avoid even taking Armour. I'm

> radically changing my diet, mostly by eliminiating

> soy, which until now, as a vegetarian, I've

> basically

> lived on. I was curious as to whether thyroid

> problems

> necessarily come with other problems. I want to have

> a

> baby (soon!-I'm already 37!) and am a bit

> overwhelmed

> with all the talk of everything (adrenals, etc.)

> coming into play. I don't know if I have time for

> such

> a long journey It's all so complicated, so long

> letters are just fine!

>

> Thanks,

>

> --- and Irwin

> <familyirwin@...> wrote:

>

> > HI ,

> > I was for about 6 months. I noticed that I kept

> > gaining weight, and when I increased to 3 1/2

> > grains, my hair started falling out. Now, I am on

> 2

> > grains, my hair has stopped pretty much fallilng

> > out. I also noticed that I had breast pain 2 weeks

> > before period since starting Armour.

> >

> > But, all of my research and other people's input,

> > have suggested I need adrenal meds. I believe this

> > is true for me, because I went to the HFS and

> > purchased Raw Adrenal (mild dose) and I started

> > noticing a huge difference in just 1 week. Some

> > call this placebo, but I think there is something

> to

> > it. I was originally on SINThroid, and had a

> > horrible time. I went off it for 3 years. Lost a

> > ton of weight, like went from 190 to 130 in about

> a

> > years time. Even though my TSH was sky high at the

> > time. I have hashimoto's. So, it could have been a

> > thyroid storm.

> >

> > Needed to get back on something, as I felt very

> > strongly that if I didn't, something bad would

> > happen. So, I tried some " thryroid " supplements,

> > and although it brought my T4 into normal and

> > brought my TSH down from 40 to 21, I still needed

> to

> > get it down. I eventually want to have another

> > baby, and am on Armour. I really like it sooooo

> > much better than synthetics.

> >

> > Now it is about fine tuning it with some adrenal

> > support. If you think about it, when your thyroid

> > stops working, your other parts of the body have

> to

> > step up and compensate. You can burn out other

> > parts of the body, so as the thyroid gets

> attention,

> > then the other parts of the body now say " Hey, I

> > need additional help too!! I've been working

> > overtime for the thyroid "

> >

> > Anyway, that made sense to me, and so I don't

> > really think it is necessarily bad to supplement

> on

> > top of Armour. It is about getting well, and it

> > takes time. We didn't get sick at one time, it

> > happened over time. So it takes time to rebuild.

> >

> > So, what I am trying to say, is that it's a

> > journey. You may find you need to add other things

> > to your regimen.

> >

> > Sorry for the long letter.

> > Hugs,

> >

> > Silver <susanjsilver@...> wrote:

> > Are any of you just on Armour alone,

> > without any other

> > hormone replacements or supplements?

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> >

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

January 17, 2008

confusion reigns about " steroids " and hormones b/c big pharma is runnning the

show.

fortunately there are some docs and some patients who understand the

differences.

Gracia

My father was on long term prednisone and inhaled steroids for COPD. His

skin became so thin that it broke open to the most incredibly light touch.

His internal organs began leaking blood and his fluid problem was just

awful. When J. Hopkins hospital decided to wean/remove him from steroids

altogther because the side effects were so awful for him - he drowned in his

own fluids, despite the lasix. He died a much more horrible death from

steroids than my Mom did from lung cancer. I don't blame you for being

cautious.

Dusty

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January 18, 2008

Thank you, Crystal. That's my next stop. It's crazy -

I've waited so long for the conditions to be exactly

right for a baby (now realizing that they never are),

and when I decide to take the plunge, I find that I am

sick. But I want a baby so badly now...

I will definitely get myself in order before getting

pregnant.

Are you the one with five children - one of them an

infant?

-

--- Crystal <sweetnwright@...> wrote:

>

> SUSAN,

> I know a few different people who have had

> babies in their 40's. The

> most important thing is that you take care of your

> thyroid first since being

> hypo during pregnancy can cause your baby brain

> damage. Have you visited

> www.stopthethyroidmadness.com ? There is a link to

> a top docs list from

> there.

> cw

> -- Re: Armour alone

>

> -

>

> Wow, a vegan for 7 years. That's a lot of

> discipline!

>

> My TSH is now 9.677. I don't know what kind of

> hypotyroidism I have. My doctor just pushed

> Synthroid

> at me without explaining a thing. (I'm new to my

> area,

> and haven't found a good doctor yet.) Is that

> something that someone on the list could tell me if

> I

> post my blood test results?

>

> And, as a side note, I have to admit, I grimaced as

> I

> was writing my age and my desire to have a baby. I

> realize that risk increases with age, and I expected

> a

> slew of responses telling me that I was too old. So,

> it's great for me to hear that you're 35 and wanting

> another. It makes it less scary.

>

> --- and Irwin

> <familyirwin@...> wrote:

>

> > Hi ,

> >

> > Thanks for your reply. I should also say, I still

> > have the breast pain, but am looking into Evening

> > primrose oil and Vitamin E. As well as Wheatgrass

> > shots, and more carrot juice!!

> >

> > Yes, I was a vegan for 7 years, didn't eat the

> > greatest though. I ate soy in almost everything.

> > Then I found the connection with soy and thyroid,

> > and got stopped eating it for the most part. It is

> > still in somethings, like my Earth Balance buttery

> > spread, although I don't eat that very often. I

> > still try to avoid dairy as much as possible. I

> did

> > end up eating organic free range eggs, and that

> has

> > helped with my health in a lot of ways, as I was

> so

> > ill by that time I had to try something. It was so

> > hard to break the vegan thing for me, but after

> > studying with a Natropath, he has healed a lot of

> > people's ailments by adding Raw eggs. (YUK!) But,

> > especially because I had a lot of heavy metals,

> and

> > the eggs help bind the metals. I also eat Wild

> > Alaskan Salmon sparingly. I had major B-12

> > deficiency and Vitamin D deficiency. So, now I am

> > also supplementing those as well. Both have come

> > back into normal range. That has been big for me.

> > So, for the most part, I am

> > still vegetarian with occasional eggs and salmon.

> >

> > What is your TSH right now? Also, if you want to

> > have a baby, it sounds like you are doing good

> > things with avoiding soy and getting a lot of

> > nutrition. Did you say that you didn't have

> > autoimmune? I know that Soy can bring on

> > Hypothryoid in people.

> >

> > I know for me, my TSH was below 2 when I was

> > pregnant, and I made sure it stayed there. It's

> > really critical for proper development, but I am

> > sure you've looked into all of that.

> >

> > Yes, I want another baby too. I am 35, and really

> > really really want another one!! They are the most

> > incredible beakons of love, joy, and happiness.

> >

> > Hugs,

> >

> > Silver <susanjsilver@...> wrote:

> > Hi ,

> >

> > Please don't apologize for the long letter.

> Believe

> > me, it is much appreciated! I don't yet have

> > symptoms,

> > so I am trying to avoid even taking Armour. I'm

> > radically changing my diet, mostly by eliminiating

> > soy, which until now, as a vegetarian, I've

> > basically

> > lived on. I was curious as to whether thyroid

> > problems

> > necessarily come with other problems. I want to

> have

> > a

> > baby (soon!-I'm already 37!) and am a bit

> > overwhelmed

> > with all the talk of everything (adrenals, etc.)

> > coming into play. I don't know if I have time for

> > such

> > a long journey It's all so complicated, so long

> > letters are just fine!

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > --- and Irwin

> > <familyirwin@...> wrote:

> >

> > > HI ,

> > > I was for about 6 months. I noticed that I kept

> > > gaining weight, and when I increased to 3 1/2

> > > grains, my hair started falling out. Now, I am

> on

> > 2

> > > grains, my hair has stopped pretty much fallilng

> > > out. I also noticed that I had breast pain 2

> weeks

> > > before period since starting Armour.

> > >

> > > But, all of my research and other people's

> input,

> > > have suggested I need adrenal meds. I believe

> this

> > > is true for me, because I went to the HFS and

> > > purchased Raw Adrenal (mild dose) and I started

> > > noticing a huge difference in just 1 week. Some

> > > call this placebo, but I think there is

> something

> > to

> > > it. I was originally on SINThroid, and had a

> > > horrible time. I went off it for 3 years. Lost a

> > > ton of weight, like went from 190 to 130 in

> about

> > a

> > > years time. Even though my TSH was sky high at

> the

> > > time. I have hashimoto's. So, it could have been

> a

> > > thyroid storm.

> > >

> > > Needed to get back on something, as I felt very

> > > strongly that if I didn't, something bad would

> > > happen. So, I tried some " thryroid " supplements,

> > > and although it brought my T4 into normal and

> > > brought my TSH down from 40 to 21, I still

> needed

> > to

> > > get it down. I eventually want to have another

> > > baby, and am on Armour. I really like it sooooo

> > > much better than synthetics.

> > >

> > > Now it is about fine tuning it with some adrenal

> > > support. If you think about it, when your

> thyroid

> > > stops working, your other parts of the body have

> > to

> > > step up and compensate. You can burn out other

> > > parts of the body, so as the thyroid gets

> > attention,

> > > then the other parts of the body now say " Hey, I

> > > need additional help too!! I've been working

> > > overtime for the thyroid "

> > >

> > > Anyway, that made sense to me, and so I don't

> > > really think it is necessarily bad to supplement

> > on

> > > top of Armour. It is about getting well, and it

> > > takes time. We didn't get sick at one time, it

> > > happened over time. So it takes time to rebuild.

> > >

> > > So, what I am trying to say, is that it's a

> > > journey. You may find you need to add other

> things

> > > to your regimen.

> > >

> > > Sorry for the long letter.

> > > Hugs,

> > >

>

=== message truncated ===

January 18, 2008

I can empathize with you . I wanted a baby very much when I first got

married,

then proceed to have a miscarriage a 4 months, and another one at 5 months and

another one after 1 month. Too much time in between pregnancies too.

I had a very undrstanding doctor who suggested adoption, and I wanted a baby

so

badly we talked it over and decided yes. It took 10 months of interviews by

the adoption

agency, and I used to get so nervous I had to take a valium before we went in.

Finally we adopted a beautiful boy 4 months old. It was wonderful.

Two and 1/2 years later I became pregnant again and that time carried to term

and

had another beautiful baby boy.

At the time, even though I was hypoT no one either knew or said anything about

it.

Roni

Silver <susanjsilver@...> wrote:

Thank you, Crystal. That's my next stop. It's crazy -

I've waited so long for the conditions to be exactly

right for a baby (now realizing that they never are),

and when I decide to take the plunge, I find that I am

sick. But I want a baby so badly now...

I will definitely get myself in order before getting

pregnant.

Are you the one with five children - one of them an

infant?

-

--- Crystal <sweetnwright@...> wrote:

>

> SUSAN,

> I know a few different people who have had

> babies in their 40's. The

> most important thing is that you take care of your

> thyroid first since being

> hypo during pregnancy can cause your baby brain

> damage. Have you visited

> www.stopthethyroidmadness.com ? There is a link to

> a top docs list from

> there.

> cw

> -- Re: Armour alone

>

> -

>

> Wow, a vegan for 7 years. That's a lot of

> discipline!

>

> My TSH is now 9.677. I don't know what kind of

> hypotyroidism I have. My doctor just pushed

> Synthroid

> at me without explaining a thing. (I'm new to my

> area,

> and haven't found a good doctor yet.) Is that

> something that someone on the list could tell me if

> I

> post my blood test results?

>

> And, as a side note, I have to admit, I grimaced as

> I

> was writing my age and my desire to have a baby. I

> realize that risk increases with age, and I expected

> a

> slew of responses telling me that I was too old. So,

> it's great for me to hear that you're 35 and wanting

> another. It makes it less scary.

>

> --- and Irwin

> <familyirwin@...> wrote:

>

> > Hi ,

> >

> > Thanks for your reply. I should also say, I still

> > have the breast pain, but am looking into Evening

> > primrose oil and Vitamin E. As well as Wheatgrass

> > shots, and more carrot juice!!

> >

> > Yes, I was a vegan for 7 years, didn't eat the

> > greatest though. I ate soy in almost everything.

> > Then I found the connection with soy and thyroid,

> > and got stopped eating it for the most part. It is

> > still in somethings, like my Earth Balance buttery

> > spread, although I don't eat that very often. I

> > still try to avoid dairy as much as possible. I

> did

> > end up eating organic free range eggs, and that

> has

> > helped with my health in a lot of ways, as I was

> so

> > ill by that time I had to try something. It was so

> > hard to break the vegan thing for me, but after

> > studying with a Natropath, he has healed a lot of

> > people's ailments by adding Raw eggs. (YUK!) But,

> > especially because I had a lot of heavy metals,

> and

> > the eggs help bind the metals. I also eat Wild

> > Alaskan Salmon sparingly. I had major B-12

> > deficiency and Vitamin D deficiency. So, now I am

> > also supplementing those as well. Both have come

> > back into normal range. That has been big for me.

> > So, for the most part, I am

> > still vegetarian with occasional eggs and salmon.

> >

> > What is your TSH right now? Also, if you want to

> > have a baby, it sounds like you are doing good

> > things with avoiding soy and getting a lot of

> > nutrition. Did you say that you didn't have

> > autoimmune? I know that Soy can bring on

> > Hypothryoid in people.

> >

> > I know for me, my TSH was below 2 when I was

> > pregnant, and I made sure it stayed there. It's

> > really critical for proper development, but I am

> > sure you've looked into all of that.

> >

> > Yes, I want another baby too. I am 35, and really

> > really really want another one!! They are the most

> > incredible beakons of love, joy, and happiness.

> >

> > Hugs,

> >

> > Silver <susanjsilver@...> wrote:

> > Hi ,

> >

> > Please don't apologize for the long letter.

> Believe

> > me, it is much appreciated! I don't yet have

> > symptoms,

> > so I am trying to avoid even taking Armour. I'm

> > radically changing my diet, mostly by eliminiating

> > soy, which until now, as a vegetarian, I've

> > basically

> > lived on. I was curious as to whether thyroid

> > problems

> > necessarily come with other problems. I want to

> have

> > a

> > baby (soon!-I'm already 37!) and am a bit

> > overwhelmed

> > with all the talk of everything (adrenals, etc.)

> > coming into play. I don't know if I have time for

> > such

> > a long journey It's all so complicated, so long

> > letters are just fine!

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > --- and Irwin

> > <familyirwin@...> wrote:

> >

> > > HI ,

> > > I was for about 6 months. I noticed that I kept

> > > gaining weight, and when I increased to 3 1/2

> > > grains, my hair started falling out. Now, I am

> on

> > 2

> > > grains, my hair has stopped pretty much fallilng

> > > out. I also noticed that I had breast pain 2

> weeks

> > > before period since starting Armour.

> > >

> > > But, all of my research and other people's

> input,

> > > have suggested I need adrenal meds. I believe

> this

> > > is true for me, because I went to the HFS and

> > > purchased Raw Adrenal (mild dose) and I started

> > > noticing a huge difference in just 1 week. Some

> > > call this placebo, but I think there is

> something

> > to

> > > it. I was originally on SINThroid, and had a

> > > horrible time. I went off it for 3 years. Lost a

> > > ton of weight, like went from 190 to 130 in

> about

> > a

> > > years time. Even though my TSH was sky high at

> the

> > > time. I have hashimoto's. So, it could have been

> a

> > > thyroid storm.

> > >

> > > Needed to get back on something, as I felt very

> > > strongly that if I didn't, something bad would

> > > happen. So, I tried some " thryroid " supplements,

> > > and although it brought my T4 into normal and

> > > brought my TSH down from 40 to 21, I still

> needed

> > to

> > > get it down. I eventually want to have another

> > > baby, and am on Armour. I really like it sooooo

> > > much better than synthetics.

> > >

> > > Now it is about fine tuning it with some adrenal

> > > support. If you think about it, when your

> thyroid

> > > stops working, your other parts of the body have

> > to

> > > step up and compensate. You can burn out other

> > > parts of the body, so as the thyroid gets

> > attention,

> > > then the other parts of the body now say " Hey, I

> > > need additional help too!! I've been working

> > > overtime for the thyroid "

> > >

> > > Anyway, that made sense to me, and so I don't

> > > really think it is necessarily bad to supplement

> > on

> > > top of Armour. It is about getting well, and it

> > > takes time. We didn't get sick at one time, it

> > > happened over time. So it takes time to rebuild.

> > >

> > > So, what I am trying to say, is that it's a

> > > journey. You may find you need to add other

> things

> > > to your regimen.

> > >

> > > Sorry for the long letter.

> > > Hugs,

> > >

>

=== message truncated ===

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gracia- it is clear that you do not understand that while bio-identical steroids

usually do not cause problems if taken IN THE RECOMMENDED DOSES, -If taken in

very high doses they can cause all the side effects of synthetic steroids. that

is why they have side effects listed with them. Natural medicine when used

incorrectly and irresponsibly will CAUSE side effects in people. they are NOT

benign substances. I do not know of any natural medicine provider who prescribes

ANY bio-identical hormone wily nilly- that is without caution. to do so would be

practicing malpractice and causing great harm to their patients.

nancie

----- Original Message -----

confusion reigns about " steroids " and hormones b/c big pharma is runnning the

show.

fortunately there are some docs and some patients who understand the

differences.

Gracia

My father was on long term prednisone and inhaled steroids for COPD. His

skin became so thin that it broke open to the most incredibly light touch.

His internal organs began leaking blood and his fluid problem was just

awful. When J. Hopkins hospital decided to wean/remove him from steroids

altogther because the side effects were so awful for him - he drowned in his

own fluids, despite the lasix. He died a much more horrible death from

steroids than my Mom did from lung cancer. I don't blame you for being

cautious.

Dusty

January 18, 2008

don't I know it! LOl I will never take any steroids again unless I am dying

and/or in a coma. to put my dose in perspective we normally give neurosurgery

patients or severe head trauma/brain trauma patients 20 mg of decadron IV to

decrease the cerebral edema. I was on 150 mg of decardon every month for 10

years! I was on a whopping dose of steroids!

the steroids changed my metabolism permanently It changed the way my body

metabolizes food, even veggies. because of that I can gain weight eating

lettuce. I am a vegetarian primarily, so I was gaining weight eating naked

salads i.e. no dressing.

I am praying that the armour can reverse my metabolism and my hypo T.

nancie

Re: Armour alone

I was on prednisone back in the 1980's. I blew up like a balloon and

even after I was taken off of it, I had water retention problems for

years and then I found out I was hypoT. Had not had any relief until I

went on Armour. I will NEVER go on the drug again, I will absolutely

refuse. The side effects were horrendous.

Venizia

-- In hypothyroidism <mailto:hypothyroidism%40>,

" Dusty " <dusty@...> wrote:

>

> My father was on long term prednisone and inhaled steroids for COPD.

His

> skin became so thin that it broke open to the most incredibly light

touch.

> His internal organs began leaking blood and his fluid problem was just

> awful. When J. Hopkins hospital decided to wean/remove him from

steroids

> altogther because the side effects were so awful for him - he

drowned in his

> own fluids, despite the lasix. He died a much more horrible death from

> steroids than my Mom did from lung cancer. I don't blame you for being

> cautious.

>

> Dusty

>

> -----Original Message

>

> I am, at the moment I am just taking armour. I am deathly allergic

to iodine

> and I am wary of taking any bio-identical steroids because of being

on 10

> years of high dose decadron as part of my chemo for lupus. that

> gluccosteroid destroyed my body and caused me to gain lots of weight and

> become extremely sensitive to salt and also screwed up my

fluid-electrolyte

> balance system permanently.. so, I now third space all the time aka

> retaining fluid.

> so, right now I take just the armour. at the moment I am battling a

virus

> and taking huge amounts of vit. C, so I can't do the 24 hour urine

adrenal

> test. once I get better and off the vit. c which can interfere with the

> results of the adrenal test- I will do the test and send it into the

lab.

> nancie

>

.

January 18, 2008

They have given me steroids for bronchitis and asthma attacks for weeks at a

time. When the first course of pills didn't work, they gave me more. All this

has been going on since

1990. No wonder I started putting on weight, and haven't been able to take it

off.

I am on Armour now (because the insurance company wouldn't cover anything

else) (maybe

a sign from on high) so I'm hoping too that it will help me to become normal

again.

Nancie Barnett <deifspirit@...> wrote:

don't I know it! LOl I will never take any steroids again unless I am

dying and/or in a coma. to put my dose in perspective we normally give

neurosurgery patients or severe head trauma/brain trauma patients 20 mg of

decadron IV to decrease the cerebral edema. I was on 150 mg of decardon every

month for 10 years! I was on a whopping dose of steroids!

the steroids changed my metabolism permanently It changed the way my body

metabolizes food, even veggies. because of that I can gain weight eating

lettuce. I am a vegetarian primarily, so I was gaining weight eating naked

salads i.e. no dressing.

I am praying that the armour can reverse my metabolism and my hypo T.

nancie

Re: Armour alone

I was on prednisone back in the 1980's. I blew up like a balloon and

even after I was taken off of it, I had water retention problems for

years and then I found out I was hypoT. Had not had any relief until I

went on Armour. I will NEVER go on the drug again, I will absolutely

refuse. The side effects were horrendous.

Venizia

-- In hypothyroidism <mailto:hypothyroidism%40>,

" Dusty " <dusty@...> wrote:

>

> My father was on long term prednisone and inhaled steroids for COPD.

His

> skin became so thin that it broke open to the most incredibly light

touch.

> His internal organs began leaking blood and his fluid problem was just

> awful. When J. Hopkins hospital decided to wean/remove him from

steroids

> altogther because the side effects were so awful for him - he

drowned in his

> own fluids, despite the lasix. He died a much more horrible death from

> steroids than my Mom did from lung cancer. I don't blame you for being

> cautious.

>

> Dusty

>

> -----Original Message

>

> I am, at the moment I am just taking armour. I am deathly allergic

to iodine

> and I am wary of taking any bio-identical steroids because of being

on 10

> years of high dose decadron as part of my chemo for lupus. that

> gluccosteroid destroyed my body and caused me to gain lots of weight and

> become extremely sensitive to salt and also screwed up my

fluid-electrolyte

> balance system permanently.. so, I now third space all the time aka

> retaining fluid.

> so, right now I take just the armour. at the moment I am battling a

virus

> and taking huge amounts of vit. C, so I can't do the 24 hour urine

adrenal

> test. once I get better and off the vit. c which can interfere with the

> results of the adrenal test- I will do the test and send it into the

lab.

> nancie

>

..

January 18, 2008

I know, but if you saw the wonderful ingredients in the one I have you

wouldn't want to take anything else either:) I am going to try royal jelly

soon. Has anyone tried that?

cw

-- Re: Armour alone

Are any of you just on Armour alone, without any other

hormone replacements or supplements?

Thanks,

January 18, 2008

DO I need to worry about my son who has asthma? He is currently taking a

steroid inhaler, a powder inhaler, singulair, and claritan.

cw

-- Re: Armour alone

I am, at the moment I am just taking armour. I am deathly allergic to iodine

and I am wary of taking any bio-identical steroids because of being on 10

years of high dose decadron as part of my chemo for lupus. that

gluccosteroid destroyed my body and caused me to gain lots of weight and

become extremely sensitive to salt and also screwed up my fluid-electrolyte

balance system permanently.. so, I now third space all the time aka

retaining fluid.

so, right now I take just the armour. at the moment I am battling a virus

and taking huge amounts of vit. C, so I can't do the 24 hour urine adrenal

test. once I get better and off the vit. c which can interfere with the

results of the adrenal test- I will do the test and send it into the lab.

nancie

Re: Armour alone

Are any of you just on Armour alone, without any other

hormone replacements or supplements?

Thanks,

January 18, 2008

no- the steroid content in inhalers are not high enough to cause problems. the

effects are only localized to the bronchus and smaller airways. it is the pills

or the IV on a long term basis and in very high doses that cause problems.

nancie

Re: Armour alone

Are any of you just on Armour alone, without any other

hormone replacements or supplements?

Thanks,

January 18, 2008

,

Do you have problems with your bones because of the steroids. I was

diagnosed with osteopenia. Do not know if it was because of that

though. I was on steroids for about a month or two.....no where near

the length of you.

Don't know if the Armour is what is helping with the water retention

but NOTHING worked until I started using Armour. My first doctor put

me on a diuretic and that turned out to be a vicious circle. Yeh, I

couldn't even look at food and I would put on weight.

Venizia

-- In hypothyroidism , " Nancie Barnett "

<deifspirit@...> wrote:

>

> don't I know it! LOl I will never take any steroids again unless I

am dying and/or in a coma. to put my dose in perspective we normally

give neurosurgery patients or severe head trauma/brain trauma patients

20 mg of decadron IV to decrease the cerebral edema. I was on 150 mg

of decardon every month for 10 years! I was on a whopping dose of

steroids!

> the steroids changed my metabolism permanently It changed the way my

body metabolizes food, even veggies. because of that I can gain weight

eating lettuce. I am a vegetarian primarily, so I was gaining weight

eating naked salads i.e. no dressing.

> I am praying that the armour can reverse my metabolism and my hypo T.

> nancie

> Re: Armour alone

>

> I was on prednisone back in the 1980's. I blew up like a balloon and

> even after I was taken off of it, I had water retention problems for

> years and then I found out I was hypoT. Had not had any relief until I

> went on Armour. I will NEVER go on the drug again, I will absolutely

> refuse. The side effects were horrendous.

>

> Venizia

>

January 18, 2008

yes, I have osteopenia because of the long term steroids. I have to take extra

calcium and boniva once a month. I also have the fluid retention and was on

hydrochlorothiazide 100 mg every day until I reminded that it can pre-dispose

you for diabetes. then I pulled my self off of it. I am hoping the armour will

reverse that for me permanantly.

Re: Armour alone

>

> I was on prednisone back in the 1980's. I blew up like a balloon and

> even after I was taken off of it, I had water retention problems for

> years and then I found out I was hypoT. Had not had any relief until I

> went on Armour. I will NEVER go on the drug again, I will absolutely

> refuse. The side effects were horrendous.

>

> Venizia

>

January 18, 2008

That's me, the mother of many!

cw

-- Re: Armour alone

>

> -

>

> Wow, a vegan for 7 years. That's a lot of

> discipline!

>

> My TSH is now 9.677. I don't know what kind of

> hypotyroidism I have. My doctor just pushed

> Synthroid

> at me without explaining a thing. (I'm new to my

> area,

> and haven't found a good doctor yet.) Is that

> something that someone on the list could tell me if

> I

> post my blood test results?

>

> And, as a side note, I have to admit, I grimaced as

> I

> was writing my age and my desire to have a baby. I

> realize that risk increases with age, and I expected

> a

> slew of responses telling me that I was too old. So,

> it's great for me to hear that you're 35 and wanting

> another. It makes it less scary.

>

> --- and Irwin

> <familyirwin@...> wrote:

>

> > Hi ,

> >

> > Thanks for your reply. I should also say, I still

> > have the breast pain, but am looking into Evening

> > primrose oil and Vitamin E. As well as Wheatgrass

> > shots, and more carrot juice!!

> >

> > Yes, I was a vegan for 7 years, didn't eat the

> > greatest though. I ate soy in almost everything.

> > Then I found the connection with soy and thyroid,

> > and got stopped eating it for the most part. It is

> > still in somethings, like my Earth Balance buttery

> > spread, although I don't eat that very often. I

> > still try to avoid dairy as much as possible. I

> did

> > end up eating organic free range eggs, and that

> has

> > helped with my health in a lot of ways, as I was

> so

> > ill by that time I had to try something. It was so

> > hard to break the vegan thing for me, but after

> > studying with a Natropath, he has healed a lot of

> > people's ailments by adding Raw eggs. (YUK!) But,

> > especially because I had a lot of heavy metals,

> and

> > the eggs help bind the metals. I also eat Wild

> > Alaskan Salmon sparingly. I had major B-12

> > deficiency and Vitamin D deficiency. So, now I am

> > also supplementing those as well. Both have come

> > back into normal range. That has been big for me.

> > So, for the most part, I am

> > still vegetarian with occasional eggs and salmon.

> >

> > What is your TSH right now? Also, if you want to

> > have a baby, it sounds like you are doing good

> > things with avoiding soy and getting a lot of

> > nutrition. Did you say that you didn't have

> > autoimmune? I know that Soy can bring on

> > Hypothryoid in people.

> >

> > I know for me, my TSH was below 2 when I was

> > pregnant, and I made sure it stayed there. It's

> > really critical for proper development, but I am

> > sure you've looked into all of that.

> >

> > Yes, I want another baby too. I am 35, and really

> > really really want another one!! They are the most

> > incredible beakons of love, joy, and happiness.

> >

> > Hugs,

> >

> > Silver <susanjsilver@...> wrote:

> > Hi ,

> >

> > Please don't apologize for the long letter.

> Believe

> > me, it is much appreciated! I don't yet have

> > symptoms,

> > so I am trying to avoid even taking Armour. I'm

> > radically changing my diet, mostly by eliminiating

> > soy, which until now, as a vegetarian, I've

> > basically

> > lived on. I was curious as to whether thyroid

> > problems

> > necessarily come with other problems. I want to

> have

> > a

> > baby (soon!-I'm already 37!) and am a bit

> > overwhelmed

> > with all the talk of everything (adrenals, etc.)

> > coming into play. I don't know if I have time for

> > such

> > a long journey It's all so complicated, so long

> > letters are just fine!

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > --- and Irwin

> > <familyirwin@...> wrote:

> >

> > > HI ,

> > > I was for about 6 months. I noticed that I kept

> > > gaining weight, and when I increased to 3 1/2

> > > grains, my hair started falling out. Now, I am

> on

> > 2

> > > grains, my hair has stopped pretty much fallilng

> > > out. I also noticed that I had breast pain 2

> weeks

> > > before period since starting Armour.

> > >

> > > But, all of my research and other people's

> input,

> > > have suggested I need adrenal meds. I believe

> this

> > > is true for me, because I went to the HFS and

> > > purchased Raw Adrenal (mild dose) and I started

> > > noticing a huge difference in just 1 week. Some

> > > call this placebo, but I think there is

> something

> > to

> > > it. I was originally on SINThroid, and had a

> > > horrible time. I went off it for 3 years. Lost a

> > > ton of weight, like went from 190 to 130 in

> about

> > a

> > > years time. Even though my TSH was sky high at

> the

> > > time. I have hashimoto's. So, it could have been

> a

> > > thyroid storm.

> > >

> > > Needed to get back on something, as I felt very

> > > strongly that if I didn't, something bad would

> > > happen. So, I tried some " thryroid " supplements,

> > > and although it brought my T4 into normal and

> > > brought my TSH down from 40 to 21, I still

> needed

> > to

> > > get it down. I eventually want to have another

> > > baby, and am on Armour. I really like it sooooo

> > > much better than synthetics.

> > >

> > > Now it is about fine tuning it with some adrenal

> > > support. If you think about it, when your

> thyroid

> > > stops working, your other parts of the body have

> > to

> > > step up and compensate. You can burn out other

> > > parts of the body, so as the thyroid gets

> > attention,

> > > then the other parts of the body now say " Hey, I

> > > need additional help too!! I've been working

> > > overtime for the thyroid "

> > >

> > > Anyway, that made sense to me, and so I don't

> > > really think it is necessarily bad to supplement

> > on

> > > top of Armour. It is about getting well, and it

> > > takes time. We didn't get sick at one time, it

> > > happened over time. So it takes time to rebuild.

> > >

> > > So, what I am trying to say, is that it's a

> > > journey. You may find you need to add other

> things

> > > to your regimen.

> > >

> > > Sorry for the long letter.

> > > Hugs,

> > >

>

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January 18, 2008

I am sure you will notice a difference with the armour. I did and I

thought I was never going to find the light at the end of the tunnel.

I no longer gain 5 or more pounds a day. Hope it goes as well for you!

Venizia

> >

> > don't I know it! LOl I will never take any steroids again unless I

> am dying and/or in a coma. to put my dose in perspective we normally

> give neurosurgery patients or severe head trauma/brain trauma patients

> 20 mg of decadron IV to decrease the cerebral edema. I was on 150 mg

> of decardon every month for 10 years! I was on a whopping dose of

> steroids!

> > the steroids changed my metabolism permanently It changed the way my

> body metabolizes food, even veggies. because of that I can gain weight

> eating lettuce. I am a vegetarian primarily, so I was gaining weight

> eating naked salads i.e. no dressing.

> > I am praying that the armour can reverse my metabolism and my

hypo T.

> > nancie

> > Re: Armour alone

> >

> > I was on prednisone back in the 1980's. I blew up like a balloon and

> > even after I was taken off of it, I had water retention problems for

> > years and then I found out I was hypoT. Had not had any relief

until I

> > went on Armour. I will NEVER go on the drug again, I will absolutely

> > refuse. The side effects were horrendous.

> >

> > Venizia

> >

>

January 19, 2008

Actually, the steroid pills whether high doses or not, given again and again for

similar

problems,( i.e: bronchitis, asthma, etc,) are cumulative in their effect on

the body.

I started doing some research on this about two years ago, and found that out.

I

don't recall the exact piece.

Roni

Nancie Barnett <deifspirit@...> wrote:

no- the steroid content in inhalers are not high enough to cause

problems. the effects are only localized to the bronchus and smaller airways. it

is the pills or the IV on a long term basis and in very high doses that cause

problems.

nancie

Re: Armour alone

Are any of you just on Armour alone, without any other

hormone replacements or supplements?

Thanks,

January 19, 2008

I love those stories. My husband is adopted. His Adoptive mom, tried, and

tried to have a baby. Then, after two adoptions, she got pregnant.

It's funny, when the time is right, I believe the time is right.

Blessings,

Roni Molin <matchermaam@...> wrote:

I can empathize with you . I wanted a baby very much when I first

got married,

then proceed to have a miscarriage a 4 months, and another one at 5 months and

another one after 1 month. Too much time in between pregnancies too.

I had a very undrstanding doctor who suggested adoption, and I wanted a baby so

badly we talked it over and decided yes. It took 10 months of interviews by the

adoption

agency, and I used to get so nervous I had to take a valium before we went in.

Finally we adopted a beautiful boy 4 months old. It was wonderful.

Two and 1/2 years later I became pregnant again and that time carried to term

and

had another beautiful baby boy.

At the time, even though I was hypoT no one either knew or said anything about

it.

Roni

Silver <susanjsilver@...> wrote:

Thank you, Crystal. That's my next stop. It's crazy -

I've waited so long for the conditions to be exactly

right for a baby (now realizing that they never are),

and when I decide to take the plunge, I find that I am

sick. But I want a baby so badly now...

I will definitely get myself in order before getting

pregnant.

Are you the one with five children - one of them an

infant?

-

--- Crystal <sweetnwright@...> wrote:

>

> SUSAN,

> I know a few different people who have had

> babies in their 40's. The

> most important thing is that you take care of your

> thyroid first since being

> hypo during pregnancy can cause your baby brain

> damage. Have you visited

> www.stopthethyroidmadness.com ? There is a link to

> a top docs list from

> there.

> cw

> -- Re: Armour alone

>

> -

>

> Wow, a vegan for 7 years. That's a lot of

> discipline!

>

> My TSH is now 9.677. I don't know what kind of

> hypotyroidism I have. My doctor just pushed

> Synthroid

> at me without explaining a thing. (I'm new to my

> area,

> and haven't found a good doctor yet.) Is that

> something that someone on the list could tell me if

> I

> post my blood test results?

>

> And, as a side note, I have to admit, I grimaced as

> I

> was writing my age and my desire to have a baby. I

> realize that risk increases with age, and I expected

> a

> slew of responses telling me that I was too old. So,

> it's great for me to hear that you're 35 and wanting

> another. It makes it less scary.

>

> --- and Irwin

> <familyirwin@...> wrote:

>

> > Hi ,

> >

> > Thanks for your reply. I should also say, I still

> > have the breast pain, but am looking into Evening

> > primrose oil and Vitamin E. As well as Wheatgrass

> > shots, and more carrot juice!!

> >

> > Yes, I was a vegan for 7 years, didn't eat the

> > greatest though. I ate soy in almost everything.

> > Then I found the connection with soy and thyroid,

> > and got stopped eating it for the most part. It is

> > still in somethings, like my Earth Balance buttery

> > spread, although I don't eat that very often. I

> > still try to avoid dairy as much as possible. I

> did

> > end up eating organic free range eggs, and that

> has

> > helped with my health in a lot of ways, as I was

> so

> > ill by that time I had to try something. It was so

> > hard to break the vegan thing for me, but after

> > studying with a Natropath, he has healed a lot of

> > people's ailments by adding Raw eggs. (YUK!) But,

> > especially because I had a lot of heavy metals,

> and

> > the eggs help bind the metals. I also eat Wild

> > Alaskan Salmon sparingly. I had major B-12

> > deficiency and Vitamin D deficiency. So, now I am

> > also supplementing those as well. Both have come

> > back into normal range. That has been big for me.

> > So, for the most part, I am

> > still vegetarian with occasional eggs and salmon.

> >

> > What is your TSH right now? Also, if you want to

> > have a baby, it sounds like you are doing good

> > things with avoiding soy and getting a lot of

> > nutrition. Did you say that you didn't have

> > autoimmune? I know that Soy can bring on

> > Hypothryoid in people.

> >

> > I know for me, my TSH was below 2 when I was

> > pregnant, and I made sure it stayed there. It's

> > really critical for proper development, but I am

> > sure you've looked into all of that.

> >

> > Yes, I want another baby too. I am 35, and really

> > really really want another one!! They are the most

> > incredible beakons of love, joy, and happiness.

> >

> > Hugs,

> >

> > Silver <susanjsilver@...> wrote:

> > Hi ,

> >

> > Please don't apologize for the long letter.

> Believe

> > me, it is much appreciated! I don't yet have

> > symptoms,

> > so I am trying to avoid even taking Armour. I'm

> > radically changing my diet, mostly by eliminiating

> > soy, which until now, as a vegetarian, I've

> > basically

> > lived on. I was curious as to whether thyroid

> > problems

> > necessarily come with other problems. I want to

> have

> > a

> > baby (soon!-I'm already 37!) and am a bit

> > overwhelmed

> > with all the talk of everything (adrenals, etc.)

> > coming into play. I don't know if I have time for

> > such

> > a long journey It's all so complicated, so long

> > letters are just fine!

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > --- and Irwin

> > <familyirwin@...> wrote:

> >

> > > HI ,

> > > I was for about 6 months. I noticed that I kept

> > > gaining weight, and when I increased to 3 1/2

> > > grains, my hair started falling out. Now, I am

> on

> > 2

> > > grains, my hair has stopped pretty much fallilng

> > > out. I also noticed that I had breast pain 2

> weeks

> > > before period since starting Armour.

> > >

> > > But, all of my research and other people's

> input,

> > > have suggested I need adrenal meds. I believe

> this

> > > is true for me, because I went to the HFS and

> > > purchased Raw Adrenal (mild dose) and I started

> > > noticing a huge difference in just 1 week. Some

> > > call this placebo, but I think there is

> something

> > to

> > > it. I was originally on SINThroid, and had a

> > > horrible time. I went off it for 3 years. Lost a

> > > ton of weight, like went from 190 to 130 in

> about

> > a

> > > years time. Even though my TSH was sky high at

> the

> > > time. I have hashimoto's. So, it could have been

> a

> > > thyroid storm.

> > >

> > > Needed to get back on something, as I felt very

> > > strongly that if I didn't, something bad would

> > > happen. So, I tried some " thryroid " supplements,

> > > and although it brought my T4 into normal and

> > > brought my TSH down from 40 to 21, I still

> needed

> > to

> > > get it down. I eventually want to have another

> > > baby, and am on Armour. I really like it sooooo

> > > much better than synthetics.

> > >

> > > Now it is about fine tuning it with some adrenal

> > > support. If you think about it, when your

> thyroid

> > > stops working, your other parts of the body have

> > to

> > > step up and compensate. You can burn out other

> > > parts of the body, so as the thyroid gets

> > attention,

> > > then the other parts of the body now say " Hey, I

> > > need additional help too!! I've been working

> > > overtime for the thyroid "

> > >

> > > Anyway, that made sense to me, and so I don't

> > > really think it is necessarily bad to supplement

> > on

> > > top of Armour. It is about getting well, and it

> > > takes time. We didn't get sick at one time, it

> > > happened over time. So it takes time to rebuild.

> > >

> > > So, what I am trying to say, is that it's a

> > > journey. You may find you need to add other

> things

> > > to your regimen.

> > >

> > > Sorry for the long letter.

> > > Hugs,

> > >

>

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January 19, 2008

I would read my iserts and get into an in depth conversation with the doc.

My father used 4 different inhalers every day(I only remember the name of

one Aerobid(?)) and what we called the " peace pipe " where steroids were

dumped into machine which turns it into a mist and the mist came up throug a

mask which he inhaled until the mist was gone. These things did indeed

contribute his problems. See this site , though there are many others, even

those particular to the drugs your son uses.

http://www.bupa.co.uk/health_information/html/medicine/inhaled_steroids.html

#3

Side effects

Steroids taken orally can often cause quite serious Side effects because

they have to travel in the bloodstream and can affect other parts of the

body as well as the place they are needed. However, inhaled steroids are

much less likely to cause Side effects because they are delivered directly

to the lungs, with a much lower dose getting into the bloodstream.

Nevertheless, inhaled steroids can cause a husky or hoarse voice, which

should ease off with time, and a sore throat due to a fungal infection

(caused because the steroid can interfere with the natural defences of the

throat). This may be prevented if you gargle with water after inhalation, or

use a spacer (see below) to help reduce the amount of the drug that lands in

the throat. A fungal infection can be easily treated with an antifungal

medicine (from your doctor). Sometimes, inhaled steroids can cause sneezing

attacks immediately after inhalation, as well as crusting and drying of the

inside of the nose. This can be avoided by spraying the steroid away from

the nostrils. You can ask your doctor or pharmacist to show you how to do

this.

Other Side effects have also been reported. These include a slightly

increased risk of glaucoma

<http://hcd2.bupa.co.uk/fact_sheets/html/Glaucoma.html> (a condition caused

by increased pressure in the eye) and cataracts

<http://hcd2.bupa.co.uk/fact_sheets/html/cataracts.html> (clouding of the

lens in the eye). Inhaled steroids at high doses are more likely to cause

similar Side effects to oral steroids than normal-dose inhaled steroids,

particularly if they are used for a long time. These include suppression of

the adrenal glands (glands on the kidneys responsible for producing the

body's own natural steroids). So, if you do need a high-dose inhaled

steroid, then you will be given a 'steroid card' to carry with you at all

times saying what you are taking. This is because any additional medical

treatment you need may have to be adjusted to allow for the steroids. In

times of stress or illness, you may also need to take extra steroids in the

form of a short course of oral steroids to protect you from asthma attacks.

Long-term use of high-dose inhaled steroids can also cause bone thinning and

an increased risk of osteoporosis

<http://hcd2.bupa.co.uk/fact_sheets/html/Osteoporosis.html> . Although they

don't seem to slow down children's growth in the same way as oral steroids

do, children taking inhaled steroids will still need to have their height

monitored regularly.

Re: Armour alone

no- the steroid content in inhalers are not high enough to cause problems.

the effects are only localized to the bronchus and smaller airways. it is

the pills or the IV on a long term basis and in very high doses that cause

problems.

nancie

Re: Armour alone

Are any of you just on Armour alone, without any other

hormone replacements or supplements?

Thanks,

January 19, 2008

I'm not confused. I know exactly what steroids can do. Even an OTC steroid

cream can thin the skin enough to cause it to break.

Re: Armour alone

confusion reigns about " steroids " and hormones b/c big pharma is runnning

the show.

fortunately there are some docs and some patients who understand the

differences.

Gracia

My father was on long term prednisone and inhaled steroids for COPD. His

skin became so thin that it broke open to the most incredibly light touch.

His internal organs began leaking blood and his fluid problem was just

awful. When J. Hopkins hospital decided to wean/remove him from steroids

altogther because the side effects were so awful for him - he drowned in his

own fluids, despite the lasix. He died a much more horrible death from

steroids than my Mom did from lung cancer. I don't blame you for being

cautious.

Dusty

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