Re: Armour alone

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hmm-

well, how I was trained was that with the older drugs like aerobid, there is a

grater percentage that enters the blood stream. In our practice

{multi-speciality] we do not use the older medications, because the newer ones

have a much better side effect profile.

this the treatment guidelines that we use in the clinic:

step 1: mild intermittent asthma: brief wheezing < 2 times per week:

intermittent beta agonist (MDI) or nebulizer like albuterol.

step 2. Mild persistent asthma: symptoms > 2 times per week, but <1 time per

day, affecting activity : medicate daily. with inhaled steroids using LOW doses.

Cromalyn or nedocromil.; zafrilukast (accolate); montelukast (singulair).

step 3: moderate persistent asthma: weekly symptoms interfering with sleep or

activity (exercise), occasional ER visits. Medicate on regular maintenance

schedule with inhaled steroids with a medium dose of 400-8-- micrograms/day. if

not controlled on 600 micrograms/day, add long acting beta-agonist (albuterol).

also can add Advair which is helpful with compliance because it is a combo

treatment.

step 4: severe persistent asthma: frequent symptoms affecting activity on a

daily basis, nocturnal symptoms, frequent hospitalizations; Medications: high

dose inhaled steroids; some may need also oral alternate day steroids; long

acting bronchodialator as in Salmeterol; Advair also helpful here; theophylline

is useful for night time symptoms[ although we try not to use it because of side

effects]; we also use singulair; cromolyn; ipartropium.

nancie

PEDIATRIC INHALED STEROID Comparisons:

Special Note

[strength and dosage form]

estimated comparative mcg/day for low, medium and high dose; MDI = metered

dose inhaler; DPI = dry powder inhaler

beclomethasone (QVAR)

[42,84 mcg/puff MDI]

low: 84-336 mcg; med: 336-672 mcg; high: >672 mcg

budesonide (Pulmicort)

[200 mcg/dose DPI]

low: 200 mcg; med: 200-400 mcg; high: >400 mcg

flunisolide (Aerobid)

[250 mcg/puff MDI]

low: 500-750 mcg; med: 1000-1250 mcg; high: >1250 mcg NOTE this drug has

the highest steroid doses compared to the NEWER formualtions.

fluticasone (Flovent)

[44,110,220 mcg/puff MDI]

low: 88-176 mcg; med: 176-440 mcg; high: >440 mcg

[50,100,250 mcg/dose DPI]

low: 100-200 mcg; med: 200-400 mcg; high: >400 mcg

triamcinolone (Azmacort)

[100 mcg/puff MDI]

low: 400-800 mcg; med: 800-1200 mcg; high: >1200

ADULT:

Special Note

[strength and dosage form]

estimated comparative mcg/day for low, medium and high dose; MDI = metered

dose inhaler; DPI = dry powder inhaler

beclomethasone

[42,84 mcg/puff MDI]

low: 168-504 mcg; med: 504-840 mcg; high: >840 mcg

budesonide

[200 mcg/dose DPI]

low: 200-400 mcg; med: 400-600 mcg; high: >600 mcg

flunisolide (Aerobid)

[250 mcg/puff MDI]

low: 500-1000 mcg; med: 1000-2000 mcg; high: >2000 mcg

fluticasone

[44,110,220 mcg/puff MDI]

low: 88-264 mcg; med: 264-660 mcg; high: >660 mcg

[50,100,250 mcg/dose DPI]

low: 100-300 mcg; med: 300-600 mcg; high: >500 mcg

triamcinolone

[100 mcg/puff MDI]

low: 400-1000 mcg; med: 1000-2000 mcg; high: >2000 mcg

source: http:///www.nhlbi.nih.gov<http:///www.nhlbi.nih.gov>

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the " steroid pills " I take are certainly not cumulative! If I forget to take

a dose I am soon reminded of it.

Read Safe Uses of Cortisol by McK Jefferies MD

Gracia

Actually, the steroid pills whether high doses or not, given again and again

for similar

problems,( i.e: bronchitis, asthma, etc,) are cumulative in their effect on

the body.

I started doing some research on this about two years ago, and found that out.

I

don't recall the exact piece.

Roni

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I have taken hydrocortone (cortef) for several years---5mg 4X a day. It sure

works great for me. I also take 7-keto DHEA.

I think http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com has good info on adrenals, also

google Jefferies MD.

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Right......

Re: Armour alone

the " steroid pills " I take are certainly not cumulative! If I forget to take

a dose I am soon reminded of it.

Read Safe Uses of Cortisol by McK Jefferies MD

Gracia

Actually, the steroid pills whether high doses or not, given again and again

for similar

problems,( i.e: bronchitis, asthma, etc,) are cumulative in their effect on

the body.

I started doing some research on this about two years ago, and found that

out. I

don't recall the exact piece.

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Nebulizer! That's the name of that peace pipe thingy!!!

My father died in 2000, after years of these inhaled thingys.

The nebulizer had to be administered TWICE A DAY, along with four different

kinds of the inhalers, aerobid being one, FLovent another and I don't see

the brand names below of the other two. His hands shook, his skin broke

open, he had persistent mouth and throat yeast for which he used liquid

Nystation " swish and swallow " , insomnia, inability to concentrate and when

they also administered steroid by mouth, he always became diabetic with

sugar readings in the 500's. They shot him up with insulin the belly when

this happened and would try to wean him to lower doses so as to stop the

diabetic side effect.

As his dependency on these drugs grew (in order to breathe past the COPD and

the ghazillion pneumonias) the dosages had to be increased. As the dose was

increased the side effects were worse. He was continually in hospital and

often had to have a needle shoved through his back to the pluera(?) to drain

the fluids from the sacs around the lungs whic lasix won't remove. That

man suffered.

Dusty

Re: Armour alone

hmm-

well, how I was trained was that with the older drugs like aerobid, there is

a grater percentage that enters the blood stream. In our practice

{multi-speciality] we do not use the older medications, because the newer

ones have a much better side effect profile.

this the treatment guidelines that we use in the clinic:

step 1: mild intermittent asthma: brief wheezing < 2 times per week:

intermittent beta agonist (MDI) or nebulizer like albuterol.

step 2. Mild persistent asthma: symptoms > 2 times per week, but <1 time per

day, affecting activity : medicate daily. with inhaled steroids using LOW

doses. Cromalyn or nedocromil.; zafrilukast (accolate); montelukast

(singulair).

step 3: moderate persistent asthma: weekly symptoms interfering with sleep

or activity (exercise), occasional ER visits. Medicate on regular

maintenance schedule with inhaled steroids with a medium dose of 400-8--

micrograms/day. if not controlled on 600 micrograms/day, add long acting

beta-agonist (albuterol). also can add Advair which is helpful with

compliance because it is a combo treatment.

step 4: severe persistent asthma: frequent symptoms affecting activity on a

daily basis, nocturnal symptoms, frequent hospitalizations; Medications:

high dose inhaled steroids; some may need also oral alternate day steroids;

long acting bronchodialator as in Salmeterol; Advair also helpful here;

theophylline is useful for night time symptoms[ although we try not to use

it because of side effects]; we also use singulair; cromolyn; ipartropium.

nancie

PEDIATRIC INHALED STEROID Comparisons:

Special Note

[strength and dosage form]

estimated comparative mcg/day for low, medium and high dose; MDI = metered

dose inhaler; DPI = dry powder inhaler

beclomethasone (QVAR)

[42,84 mcg/puff MDI]

low: 84-336 mcg; med: 336-672 mcg; high: >672 mcg

budesonide (Pulmicort)

[200 mcg/dose DPI]

low: 200 mcg; med: 200-400 mcg; high: >400 mcg

flunisolide (Aerobid)

[250 mcg/puff MDI]

low: 500-750 mcg; med: 1000-1250 mcg; high: >1250 mcg NOTE this drug has the

highest steroid doses compared to the NEWER formualtions.

fluticasone (Flovent)

[44,110,220 mcg/puff MDI]

low: 88-176 mcg; med: 176-440 mcg; high: >440 mcg

[50,100,250 mcg/dose DPI]

low: 100-200 mcg; med: 200-400 mcg; high: >400 mcg

triamcinolone (Azmacort)

[100 mcg/puff MDI]

low: 400-800 mcg; med: 800-1200 mcg; high: >1200

ADULT:

Special Note

[strength and dosage form]

estimated comparative mcg/day for low, medium and high dose; MDI = metered

dose inhaler; DPI = dry powder inhaler

beclomethasone

[42,84 mcg/puff MDI]

low: 168-504 mcg; med: 504-840 mcg; high: >840 mcg

budesonide

[200 mcg/dose DPI]

low: 200-400 mcg; med: 400-600 mcg; high: >600 mcg

flunisolide (Aerobid)

[250 mcg/puff MDI]

low: 500-1000 mcg; med: 1000-2000 mcg; high: >2000 mcg

fluticasone

[44,110,220 mcg/puff MDI]

low: 88-264 mcg; med: 264-660 mcg; high: >660 mcg

[50,100,250 mcg/dose DPI]

low: 100-300 mcg; med: 300-600 mcg; high: >500 mcg

triamcinolone

[100 mcg/puff MDI]

low: 400-1000 mcg; med: 1000-2000 mcg; high: >2000 mcg

source: http:///www. <http:///www.nhlbi.nih.gov> nhlbi.nih.gov<http:///www.

<http:///www.nhlbi.nih.gov> nhlbi.nih.gov>

[Guest guest]

Wow. I don't know how you do it! I'm freaked out about

having one!

--- Crystal <sweetnwright@...> wrote:

> That's me, the mother of many!

> cw

>

> -- Re: Armour alone

> >

> > -

> >

> > Wow, a vegan for 7 years. That's a lot of

> > discipline!

> >

> > My TSH is now 9.677. I don't know what kind of

> > hypotyroidism I have. My doctor just pushed

> > Synthroid

> > at me without explaining a thing. (I'm new to my

> > area,

> > and haven't found a good doctor yet.) Is that

> > something that someone on the list could tell me

> if

> > I

> > post my blood test results?

> >

> > And, as a side note, I have to admit, I grimaced

> as

> > I

> > was writing my age and my desire to have a baby. I

> > realize that risk increases with age, and I

> expected

> > a

> > slew of responses telling me that I was too old.

> So,

> > it's great for me to hear that you're 35 and

> wanting

> > another. It makes it less scary.

> >

> >

> >

> > --- and Irwin

> > <familyirwin@...> wrote:

> >

> > > Hi ,

> > >

> > > Thanks for your reply. I should also say, I

> still

> > > have the breast pain, but am looking into

> Evening

> > > primrose oil and Vitamin E. As well as

> Wheatgrass

> > > shots, and more carrot juice!!

> > >

> > > Yes, I was a vegan for 7 years, didn't eat the

> > > greatest though. I ate soy in almost everything.

>

> > > Then I found the connection with soy and

> thyroid,

> > > and got stopped eating it for the most part. It

> is

> > > still in somethings, like my Earth Balance

> buttery

> > > spread, although I don't eat that very often. I

> > > still try to avoid dairy as much as possible. I

> > did

> > > end up eating organic free range eggs, and that

> > has

> > > helped with my health in a lot of ways, as I was

> > so

> > > ill by that time I had to try something. It was

> so

> > > hard to break the vegan thing for me, but after

> > > studying with a Natropath, he has healed a lot

> of

> > > people's ailments by adding Raw eggs. (YUK!)

> But,

> > > especially because I had a lot of heavy metals,

> > and

> > > the eggs help bind the metals. I also eat Wild

> > > Alaskan Salmon sparingly. I had major B-12

> > > deficiency and Vitamin D deficiency. So, now I

> am

> > > also supplementing those as well. Both have come

> > > back into normal range. That has been big for

> me.

> > > So, for the most part, I am

> > > still vegetarian with occasional eggs and

> salmon.

> > >

> > > What is your TSH right now? Also, if you want to

> > > have a baby, it sounds like you are doing good

> > > things with avoiding soy and getting a lot of

> > > nutrition. Did you say that you didn't have

> > > autoimmune? I know that Soy can bring on

> > > Hypothryoid in people.

> > >

> > > I know for me, my TSH was below 2 when I was

> > > pregnant, and I made sure it stayed there. It's

> > > really critical for proper development, but I am

> > > sure you've looked into all of that.

> > >

> > > Yes, I want another baby too. I am 35, and

> really

> > > really really want another one!! They are the

> most

> > > incredible beakons of love, joy, and happiness.

> > >

> > > Hugs,

> > >

> > >

> > > Silver <susanjsilver@...> wrote:

> > > Hi ,

> > >

> > > Please don't apologize for the long letter.

> > Believe

> > > me, it is much appreciated! I don't yet have

> > > symptoms,

> > > so I am trying to avoid even taking Armour. I'm

> > > radically changing my diet, mostly by

> eliminiating

> > > soy, which until now, as a vegetarian, I've

> > > basically

> > > lived on. I was curious as to whether thyroid

> > > problems

> > > necessarily come with other problems. I want to

> > have

> > > a

> > > baby (soon!-I'm already 37!) and am a bit

> > > overwhelmed

> > > with all the talk of everything (adrenals, etc.)

> > > coming into play. I don't know if I have time

> for

> > > such

> > > a long journey It's all so complicated, so

> long

> > > letters are just fine!

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > >

> > >

> > > --- and Irwin

> > > <familyirwin@...> wrote:

> > >

> > > > HI ,

> > > > I was for about 6 months. I noticed that I

> kept

> > > > gaining weight, and when I increased to 3 1/2

> > > > grains, my hair started falling out. Now, I am

> > on

> > > 2

> > > > grains, my hair has stopped pretty much

> fallilng

> > > > out. I also noticed that I had breast pain 2

> > weeks

> > > > before period since starting Armour.

> > > >

> > > > But, all of my research and other people's

> > input,

> > > > have suggested I need adrenal meds. I believe

> > this

> > > > is true for me, because I went to the HFS and

>

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[Guest guest]

I can't speak for Crystal, but what I can say for me is, I knew that I would

love my child, I just didn't know that I would FALL HEAD OVER HEALS IN LOVE WITH

HER! It is so true when they tell you that you forget the pain. It is so worth

it when you meet your child for the first time. You'll do anything for them.

Then, all I want is more and more.

They are such a blessing!

Hugs,

Silver <susanjsilver@...> wrote:

Wow. I don't know how you do it! I'm freaked out about

having one!

--- Crystal <sweetnwright@...> wrote:

> That's me, the mother of many!

> cw

>

> -- Re: Armour alone

> >

> > -

> >

> > Wow, a vegan for 7 years. That's a lot of

> > discipline!

> >

> > My TSH is now 9.677. I don't know what kind of

> > hypotyroidism I have. My doctor just pushed

> > Synthroid

> > at me without explaining a thing. (I'm new to my

> > area,

> > and haven't found a good doctor yet.) Is that

> > something that someone on the list could tell me

> if

> > I

> > post my blood test results?

> >

> > And, as a side note, I have to admit, I grimaced

> as

> > I

> > was writing my age and my desire to have a baby. I

> > realize that risk increases with age, and I

> expected

> > a

> > slew of responses telling me that I was too old.

> So,

> > it's great for me to hear that you're 35 and

> wanting

> > another. It makes it less scary.

> >

> >

> >

> > --- and Irwin

> > <familyirwin@...> wrote:

> >

> > > Hi ,

> > >

> > > Thanks for your reply. I should also say, I

> still

> > > have the breast pain, but am looking into

> Evening

> > > primrose oil and Vitamin E. As well as

> Wheatgrass

> > > shots, and more carrot juice!!

> > >

> > > Yes, I was a vegan for 7 years, didn't eat the

> > > greatest though. I ate soy in almost everything.

>

> > > Then I found the connection with soy and

> thyroid,

> > > and got stopped eating it for the most part. It

> is

> > > still in somethings, like my Earth Balance

> buttery

> > > spread, although I don't eat that very often. I

> > > still try to avoid dairy as much as possible. I

> > did

> > > end up eating organic free range eggs, and that

> > has

> > > helped with my health in a lot of ways, as I was

> > so

> > > ill by that time I had to try something. It was

> so

> > > hard to break the vegan thing for me, but after

> > > studying with a Natropath, he has healed a lot

> of

> > > people's ailments by adding Raw eggs. (YUK!)

> But,

> > > especially because I had a lot of heavy metals,

> > and

> > > the eggs help bind the metals. I also eat Wild

> > > Alaskan Salmon sparingly. I had major B-12

> > > deficiency and Vitamin D deficiency. So, now I

> am

> > > also supplementing those as well. Both have come

> > > back into normal range. That has been big for

> me.

> > > So, for the most part, I am

> > > still vegetarian with occasional eggs and

> salmon.

> > >

> > > What is your TSH right now? Also, if you want to

> > > have a baby, it sounds like you are doing good

> > > things with avoiding soy and getting a lot of

> > > nutrition. Did you say that you didn't have

> > > autoimmune? I know that Soy can bring on

> > > Hypothryoid in people.

> > >

> > > I know for me, my TSH was below 2 when I was

> > > pregnant, and I made sure it stayed there. It's

> > > really critical for proper development, but I am

> > > sure you've looked into all of that.

> > >

> > > Yes, I want another baby too. I am 35, and

> really

> > > really really want another one!! They are the

> most

> > > incredible beakons of love, joy, and happiness.

> > >

> > > Hugs,

> > >

> > >

> > > Silver <susanjsilver@...> wrote:

> > > Hi ,

> > >

> > > Please don't apologize for the long letter.

> > Believe

> > > me, it is much appreciated! I don't yet have

> > > symptoms,

> > > so I am trying to avoid even taking Armour. I'm

> > > radically changing my diet, mostly by

> eliminiating

> > > soy, which until now, as a vegetarian, I've

> > > basically

> > > lived on. I was curious as to whether thyroid

> > > problems

> > > necessarily come with other problems. I want to

> > have

> > > a

> > > baby (soon!-I'm already 37!) and am a bit

> > > overwhelmed

> > > with all the talk of everything (adrenals, etc.)

> > > coming into play. I don't know if I have time

> for

> > > such

> > > a long journey It's all so complicated, so

> long

> > > letters are just fine!

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > >

> > >

> > > --- and Irwin

> > > <familyirwin@...> wrote:

> > >

> > > > HI ,

> > > > I was for about 6 months. I noticed that I

> kept

> > > > gaining weight, and when I increased to 3 1/2

> > > > grains, my hair started falling out. Now, I am

> > on

> > > 2

> > > > grains, my hair has stopped pretty much

> fallilng

> > > > out. I also noticed that I had breast pain 2

> > weeks

> > > > before period since starting Armour.

> > > >

> > > > But, all of my research and other people's

> > input,

> > > > have suggested I need adrenal meds. I believe

> > this

> > > > is true for me, because I went to the HFS and

>

=== message truncated ===

[Guest guest]

Hi Roni,

I'm sorry you had to go through so much, but it looks

like you had a very happy ending. If you don't mind

talking about it (I totally understand if you'd rather

not), do you think being hypo was a factor in the

miscarriages? Were you being treated when you carried

your son to term?

Thanks,

--- Roni Molin <matchermaam@...> wrote:

> I can empathize with you . I wanted a baby very

> much when I first got married,

> then proceed to have a miscarriage a 4 months, and

> another one at 5 months and

> another one after 1 month. Too much time in

> between pregnancies too.

>

> I had a very undrstanding doctor who suggested

> adoption, and I wanted a baby so

> badly we talked it over and decided yes. It took

> 10 months of interviews by the adoption

> agency, and I used to get so nervous I had to take

> a valium before we went in.

>

> Finally we adopted a beautiful boy 4 months old.

> It was wonderful.

>

> Two and 1/2 years later I became pregnant again

> and that time carried to term and

> had another beautiful baby boy.

>

> At the time, even though I was hypoT no one either

> knew or said anything about it.

>

> Roni

>

> Silver <susanjsilver@...> wrote:

>

> Thank you, Crystal. That's my next stop. It's crazy

> -

> I've waited so long for the conditions to be exactly

> right for a baby (now realizing that they never

> are),

> and when I decide to take the plunge, I find that I

> am

> sick. But I want a baby so badly now...

>

> I will definitely get myself in order before getting

> pregnant.

>

> Are you the one with five children - one of them an

> infant?

>

> -

>

> --- Crystal <sweetnwright@...> wrote:

>

> >

> > SUSAN,

> > I know a few different people who have had

> > babies in their 40's. The

> > most important thing is that you take care of your

> > thyroid first since being

> > hypo during pregnancy can cause your baby brain

> > damage. Have you visited

> > www.stopthethyroidmadness.com ? There is a link to

> > a top docs list from

> > there.

> > cw

> > -- Re: Armour alone

> >

> > -

> >

> > Wow, a vegan for 7 years. That's a lot of

> > discipline!

> >

> > My TSH is now 9.677. I don't know what kind of

> > hypotyroidism I have. My doctor just pushed

> > Synthroid

> > at me without explaining a thing. (I'm new to my

> > area,

> > and haven't found a good doctor yet.) Is that

> > something that someone on the list could tell me

> if

> > I

> > post my blood test results?

> >

> > And, as a side note, I have to admit, I grimaced

> as

> > I

> > was writing my age and my desire to have a baby. I

> > realize that risk increases with age, and I

> expected

> > a

> > slew of responses telling me that I was too old.

> So,

> > it's great for me to hear that you're 35 and

> wanting

> > another. It makes it less scary.

> >

> >

> >

> > --- and Irwin

> > <familyirwin@...> wrote:

> >

> > > Hi ,

> > >

> > > Thanks for your reply. I should also say, I

> still

> > > have the breast pain, but am looking into

> Evening

> > > primrose oil and Vitamin E. As well as

> Wheatgrass

> > > shots, and more carrot juice!!

> > >

> > > Yes, I was a vegan for 7 years, didn't eat the

> > > greatest though. I ate soy in almost everything.

>

> > > Then I found the connection with soy and

> thyroid,

> > > and got stopped eating it for the most part. It

> is

> > > still in somethings, like my Earth Balance

> buttery

> > > spread, although I don't eat that very often. I

> > > still try to avoid dairy as much as possible. I

> > did

> > > end up eating organic free range eggs, and that

> > has

> > > helped with my health in a lot of ways, as I was

> > so

> > > ill by that time I had to try something. It was

> so

> > > hard to break the vegan thing for me, but after

> > > studying with a Natropath, he has healed a lot

> of

> > > people's ailments by adding Raw eggs. (YUK!)

> But,

> > > especially because I had a lot of heavy metals,

> > and

> > > the eggs help bind the metals. I also eat Wild

> > > Alaskan Salmon sparingly. I had major B-12

> > > deficiency and Vitamin D deficiency. So, now I

> am

> > > also supplementing those as well. Both have come

> > > back into normal range. That has been big for

> me.

> > > So, for the most part, I am

> > > still vegetarian with occasional eggs and

> salmon.

> > >

> > > What is your TSH right now? Also, if you want to

> > > have a baby, it sounds like you are doing good

> > > things with avoiding soy and getting a lot of

> > > nutrition. Did you say that you didn't have

> > > autoimmune? I know that Soy can bring on

> > > Hypothryoid in people.

> > >

> > > I know for me, my TSH was below 2 when I was

> > > pregnant, and I made sure it stayed there. It's

> > > really critical for proper development, but I am

> > > sure you've looked into all of that.

> > >

> > > Yes, I want another baby too. I am 35, and

> really

> > > really really want another one!! They are the

> most

> > > incredible beakons of love, joy, and happiness.

> > >

> > > Hugs,

> > >

> > >

> > > Silver <susanjsilver@...> wrote:

> > > Hi ,

> > >

> > > Please don't apologize for the long letter.

> > Believe

> > > me, it is much appreciated! I don't yet have

> > > symptoms,

> > > so I am trying to avoid even taking Armour. I'm

> > > radically changing my diet, mostly by

> eliminiating

> > > soy, which until now, as a vegetarian, I've

> > > basically

> > > lived on. I was curious as to whether thyroid

> > > problems

> > > necessarily come with other problems. I want to

> > have

> > > a

> > > baby (soon!-I'm already 37!) and am a bit

> > > overwhelmed

> > > with all the talk of everything (adrenals, etc.)

> > > coming into play. I don't know if I have time

> for

> > > such

> > > a long journey It's all so complicated, so

> long

> > > letters are just fine!

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > >

> > >

> > > --- and Irwin

> > > <familyirwin@...> wrote:

> > >

> > > > HI ,

>

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[Guest guest]

Well, we had 3 boys first and I desperately wanted a girl so we tried again

trying a theory that the little boys swim faster and girls live longer so I

timed my ovulation and made sure the only thing alive up there were the

girls. As for our second girl, well, that was all God:). There are someday

s (like yesterday and today) that I think why me? Then it gets quiet at

bedtime (after everyone gets up 17 times each) and I'm so thankful. I truly

am blessed to have what I have, now if I could just hit the lottery:) My

crazy husband wants more, and there are someday's that I do, but those are

the days that he slipped some crack in my Armour bottle. He works the

evening/nightshift and has for 6 years now, so I do all the hardest work

(bedtime); and refuse to raise my cortisol levels anymore than they already

are. I tell him that bedtime makes me acidic:)

cw

-- Re: Armour alone

> >

> > -

> >

> > Wow, a vegan for 7 years. That's a lot of

> > discipline!

> >

> > My TSH is now 9.677. I don't know what kind of

> > hypotyroidism I have. My doctor just pushed

> > Synthroid

> > at me without explaining a thing. (I'm new to my

> > area,

> > and haven't found a good doctor yet.) Is that

> > something that someone on the list could tell me

> if

> > I

> > post my blood test results?

> >

> > And, as a side note, I have to admit, I grimaced

> as

> > I

> > was writing my age and my desire to have a baby. I

> > realize that risk increases with age, and I

> expected

> > a

> > slew of responses telling me that I was too old.

> So,

> > it's great for me to hear that you're 35 and

> wanting

> > another. It makes it less scary.

> >

> >

> >

> > --- and Irwin

> > <familyirwin@...> wrote:

> >

> > > Hi ,

> > >

> > > Thanks for your reply. I should also say, I

> still

> > > have the breast pain, but am looking into

> Evening

> > > primrose oil and Vitamin E. As well as

> Wheatgrass

> > > shots, and more carrot juice!!

> > >

> > > Yes, I was a vegan for 7 years, didn't eat the

> > > greatest though. I ate soy in almost everything.

>

> > > Then I found the connection with soy and

> thyroid,

> > > and got stopped eating it for the most part. It

> is

> > > still in somethings, like my Earth Balance

> buttery

> > > spread, although I don't eat that very often. I

> > > still try to avoid dairy as much as possible. I

> > did

> > > end up eating organic free range eggs, and that

> > has

> > > helped with my health in a lot of ways, as I was

> > so

> > > ill by that time I had to try something. It was

> so

> > > hard to break the vegan thing for me, but after

> > > studying with a Natropath, he has healed a lot

> of

> > > people's ailments by adding Raw eggs. (YUK!)

> But,

> > > especially because I had a lot of heavy metals,

> > and

> > > the eggs help bind the metals. I also eat Wild

> > > Alaskan Salmon sparingly. I had major B-12

> > > deficiency and Vitamin D deficiency. So, now I

> am

> > > also supplementing those as well. Both have come

> > > back into normal range. That has been big for

> me.

> > > So, for the most part, I am

> > > still vegetarian with occasional eggs and

> salmon.

> > >

> > > What is your TSH right now? Also, if you want to

> > > have a baby, it sounds like you are doing good

> > > things with avoiding soy and getting a lot of

> > > nutrition. Did you say that you didn't have

> > > autoimmune? I know that Soy can bring on

> > > Hypothryoid in people.

> > >

> > > I know for me, my TSH was below 2 when I was

> > > pregnant, and I made sure it stayed there. It's

> > > really critical for proper development, but I am

> > > sure you've looked into all of that.

> > >

> > > Yes, I want another baby too. I am 35, and

> really

> > > really really want another one!! They are the

> most

> > > incredible beakons of love, joy, and happiness.

> > >

> > > Hugs,

> > >

> > >

> > > Silver <susanjsilver@...> wrote:

> > > Hi ,

> > >

> > > Please don't apologize for the long letter.

> > Believe

> > > me, it is much appreciated! I don't yet have

> > > symptoms,

> > > so I am trying to avoid even taking Armour. I'm

> > > radically changing my diet, mostly by

> eliminiating

> > > soy, which until now, as a vegetarian, I've

> > > basically

> > > lived on. I was curious as to whether thyroid

> > > problems

> > > necessarily come with other problems. I want to

> > have

> > > a

> > > baby (soon!-I'm already 37!) and am a bit

> > > overwhelmed

> > > with all the talk of everything (adrenals, etc.)

> > > coming into play. I don't know if I have time

> for

> > > such

> > > a long journey It's all so complicated, so

> long

> > > letters are just fine!

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > >

> > >

> > > --- and Irwin

> > > <familyirwin@...> wrote:

> > >

> > > > HI ,

> > > > I was for about 6 months. I noticed that I

> kept

> > > > gaining weight, and when I increased to 3 1/2

> > > > grains, my hair started falling out. Now, I am

> > on

> > > 2

> > > > grains, my hair has stopped pretty much

> fallilng

> > > > out. I also noticed that I had breast pain 2

> > weeks

> > > > before period since starting Armour.

> > > >

> > > > But, all of my research and other people's

> > input,

> > > > have suggested I need adrenal meds. I believe

> > this

> > > > is true for me, because I went to the HFS and

>

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I'm curious Gracia. I thought that first we heal the adrenals (even if it

means stopping our thyroid meds to do so), then begin the thyroid meds and

that is that. You have written this many times on our list. Why would you

need Cortef for years?

Dusty

Re: Armour alone

I have taken hydrocortone (cortef) for several years---5mg 4X a day. It sure

works great for me. I also take 7-keto DHEA.

I think http://www.stopthet <http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com>

hyroidmadness.com has good info on adrenals, also google Jefferies

MD.

Gracia

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" Support " the adrenals, then start thyroid replacement. However, if

one is already taking thyroid replacement, adding adrenal support

without stopping thyroid replacement seems to also work well.

It can take weeks, months, or even years to heal adrenals and waiting

until adrenals heal before starting thyroid replacement would not be

wise for someone without a thyroid gland.

Sam

>

> I'm curious Gracia. I thought that first we heal the adrenals

(even if it

> means stopping our thyroid meds to do so), then begin the thyroid

meds and

> that is that. You have written this many times on our list. Why

would you

> need Cortef for years?

>

> Dusty

>

> Re: Armour alone

>

>

>

>

> I have taken hydrocortone (cortef) for several years---5mg 4X a

day. It sure

> works great for me. I also take 7-keto DHEA.

> I think http://www.stopthet <http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com>

> hyroidmadness.com has good info on adrenals, also google

Jefferies

> MD.

> Gracia

>

> I'm not confused. I know exactly what steroids can do. Even an OTC

steroid

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Hmmm...... this story changes so much.

Re: Armour alone

>

>

>

>

> I have taken hydrocortone (cortef) for several years---5mg 4X a

day. It sure

> works great for me. I also take 7-keto DHEA.

> I think http://www.stopthet <http://www.stopthet

<http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com> hyroidmadness.com>

> hyroidmadness.com has good info on adrenals, also google

Jefferies

> MD.

> Gracia

>

> I'm not confused. I know exactly what steroids can do. Even an OTC

steroid

> cream can thin the skin enough to cause it to break.

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I think you missed the first class!

you might want to read Safe Uses of Cortisol by Jefferies MD or

Hertoghe's book on hormones.

many ppl take cortef for years if their adrenals are underfunctioning (like

thyroid gland does). remember I was sick all my life and just got what I

needed a few years ago.

gracia

I'm curious Gracia. I thought that first we heal the adrenals (even if it

means stopping our thyroid meds to do so), then begin the thyroid meds and

that is that. You have written this many times on our list. Why would you

need Cortef for years?

Dusty

Re: Armour alone

I have taken hydrocortone (cortef) for several years---5mg 4X a day. It sure

works great for me. I also take 7-keto DHEA.

I think http://www.stopthet <http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com>

hyroidmadness.com has good info on adrenals, also google Jefferies

MD.

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When I became pregnant with my son, I was living in

a different place, so I got the records from the first

doctor sent to the one I was using then. The new

doctor read them and said that we were not going

to put me to bed or do heroic measures if this

pregnancy started to go south. As far as I recall,

I was taking a larger dose of thyrolar at the time

I became pregnant. Everything went well till my

seventh month, when I developed high blood pressure.

By that time, of course he knew the pregnancy was

viable and instructed me to get off my feet and get

someone to take care of the house and my older

son. I did as he instructed, and took it real easy for

three months. The delivery was supposed to be induced

because of baby sitter problems, but when I went in I

was already partially dilated, and when he gave me the

pitocin it came on real fast. He was born about 4 hours

later with no problems, thankfully, and all went well. I

did not have HBP after the deivery, so that was good too.

Roni

Silver <susanjsilver@...> wrote:

Hi Roni,

I'm sorry you had to go through so much, but it looks

like you had a very happy ending. If you don't mind

talking about it (I totally understand if you'd rather

not), do you think being hypo was a factor in the

miscarriages? Were you being treated when you carried

your son to term?

Thanks,

--- Roni Molin <matchermaam@...> wrote:

> I can empathize with you . I wanted a baby very

> much when I first got married,

> then proceed to have a miscarriage a 4 months, and

> another one at 5 months and

> another one after 1 month. Too much time in

> between pregnancies too.

>

> I had a very undrstanding doctor who suggested

> adoption, and I wanted a baby so

> badly we talked it over and decided yes. It took

> 10 months of interviews by the adoption

> agency, and I used to get so nervous I had to take

> a valium before we went in.

>

> Finally we adopted a beautiful boy 4 months old.

> It was wonderful.

>

> Two and 1/2 years later I became pregnant again

> and that time carried to term and

> had another beautiful baby boy.

>

> At the time, even though I was hypoT no one either

> knew or said anything about it.

>

> Roni

>

> Silver <susanjsilver@...> wrote:

>

> Thank you, Crystal. That's my next stop. It's crazy

> -

> I've waited so long for the conditions to be exactly

> right for a baby (now realizing that they never

> are),

> and when I decide to take the plunge, I find that I

> am

> sick. But I want a baby so badly now...

>

> I will definitely get myself in order before getting

> pregnant.

>

> Are you the one with five children - one of them an

> infant?

>

> -

>

> --- Crystal <sweetnwright@...> wrote:

>

> >

> > SUSAN,

> > I know a few different people who have had

> > babies in their 40's. The

> > most important thing is that you take care of your

> > thyroid first since being

> > hypo during pregnancy can cause your baby brain

> > damage. Have you visited

> > www.stopthethyroidmadness.com ? There is a link to

> > a top docs list from

> > there.

> > cw

> > -- Re: Armour alone

> >

> > -

> >

> > Wow, a vegan for 7 years. That's a lot of

> > discipline!

> >

> > My TSH is now 9.677. I don't know what kind of

> > hypotyroidism I have. My doctor just pushed

> > Synthroid

> > at me without explaining a thing. (I'm new to my

> > area,

> > and haven't found a good doctor yet.) Is that

> > something that someone on the list could tell me

> if

> > I

> > post my blood test results?

> >

> > And, as a side note, I have to admit, I grimaced

> as

> > I

> > was writing my age and my desire to have a baby. I

> > realize that risk increases with age, and I

> expected

> > a

> > slew of responses telling me that I was too old.

> So,

> > it's great for me to hear that you're 35 and

> wanting

> > another. It makes it less scary.

> >

> >

> >

> > --- and Irwin

> > <familyirwin@...> wrote:

> >

> > > Hi ,

> > >

> > > Thanks for your reply. I should also say, I

> still

> > > have the breast pain, but am looking into

> Evening

> > > primrose oil and Vitamin E. As well as

> Wheatgrass

> > > shots, and more carrot juice!!

> > >

> > > Yes, I was a vegan for 7 years, didn't eat the

> > > greatest though. I ate soy in almost everything.

>

> > > Then I found the connection with soy and

> thyroid,

> > > and got stopped eating it for the most part. It

> is

> > > still in somethings, like my Earth Balance

> buttery

> > > spread, although I don't eat that very often. I

> > > still try to avoid dairy as much as possible. I

> > did

> > > end up eating organic free range eggs, and that

> > has

> > > helped with my health in a lot of ways, as I was

> > so

> > > ill by that time I had to try something. It was

> so

> > > hard to break the vegan thing for me, but after

> > > studying with a Natropath, he has healed a lot

> of

> > > people's ailments by adding Raw eggs. (YUK!)

> But,

> > > especially because I had a lot of heavy metals,

> > and

> > > the eggs help bind the metals. I also eat Wild

> > > Alaskan Salmon sparingly. I had major B-12

> > > deficiency and Vitamin D deficiency. So, now I

> am

> > > also supplementing those as well. Both have come

> > > back into normal range. That has been big for

> me.

> > > So, for the most part, I am

> > > still vegetarian with occasional eggs and

> salmon.

> > >

> > > What is your TSH right now? Also, if you want to

> > > have a baby, it sounds like you are doing good

> > > things with avoiding soy and getting a lot of

> > > nutrition. Did you say that you didn't have

> > > autoimmune? I know that Soy can bring on

> > > Hypothryoid in people.

> > >

> > > I know for me, my TSH was below 2 when I was

> > > pregnant, and I made sure it stayed there. It's

> > > really critical for proper development, but I am

> > > sure you've looked into all of that.

> > >

> > > Yes, I want another baby too. I am 35, and

> really

> > > really really want another one!! They are the

> most

> > > incredible beakons of love, joy, and happiness.

> > >

> > > Hugs,

> > >

> > >

> > > Silver <susanjsilver@...> wrote:

> > > Hi ,

> > >

> > > Please don't apologize for the long letter.

> > Believe

> > > me, it is much appreciated! I don't yet have

> > > symptoms,

> > > so I am trying to avoid even taking Armour. I'm

> > > radically changing my diet, mostly by

> eliminiating

> > > soy, which until now, as a vegetarian, I've

> > > basically

> > > lived on. I was curious as to whether thyroid

> > > problems

> > > necessarily come with other problems. I want to

> > have

> > > a

> > > baby (soon!-I'm already 37!) and am a bit

> > > overwhelmed

> > > with all the talk of everything (adrenals, etc.)

> > > coming into play. I don't know if I have time

> for

> > > such

> > > a long journey It's all so complicated, so

> long

> > > letters are just fine!

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > >

> > >

> > > --- and Irwin

> > > <familyirwin@...> wrote:

> > >

> > > > HI ,

>

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Hi Roni,

I just got this email now (I suppose because Ira was

away). Thank you for sharing all of this.

--- Roni Molin <matchermaam@...> wrote:

> When I became pregnant with my son, I was living in

> a different place, so I got the records from the

> first

> doctor sent to the one I was using then. The new

> doctor read them and said that we were not going

> to put me to bed or do heroic measures if this

> pregnancy started to go south. As far as I recall,

> I was taking a larger dose of thyrolar at the time

> I became pregnant. Everything went well till my

> seventh month, when I developed high blood

> pressure.

> By that time, of course he knew the pregnancy was

> viable and instructed me to get off my feet and

> get

> someone to take care of the house and my older

> son. I did as he instructed, and took it real easy

> for

> three months. The delivery was supposed to be

> induced

> because of baby sitter problems, but when I went

> in I

> was already partially dilated, and when he gave me

> the

> pitocin it came on real fast. He was born about 4

> hours

> later with no problems, thankfully, and all went

> well. I

> did not have HBP after the deivery, so that was

> good too.

> Roni

>

> Silver <susanjsilver@...> wrote:

> Hi Roni,

>

> I'm sorry you had to go through so much, but it

> looks

> like you had a very happy ending. If you don't mind

> talking about it (I totally understand if you'd

> rather

> not), do you think being hypo was a factor in the

> miscarriages? Were you being treated when you

> carried

> your son to term?

>

> Thanks,

>

>

> --- Roni Molin <matchermaam@...> wrote:

>

> > I can empathize with you . I wanted a baby

> very

> > much when I first got married,

> > then proceed to have a miscarriage a 4 months, and

> > another one at 5 months and

> > another one after 1 month. Too much time in

> > between pregnancies too.

> >

> > I had a very undrstanding doctor who suggested

> > adoption, and I wanted a baby so

> > badly we talked it over and decided yes. It took

> > 10 months of interviews by the adoption

> > agency, and I used to get so nervous I had to take

> > a valium before we went in.

> >

> > Finally we adopted a beautiful boy 4 months old.

> > It was wonderful.

> >

> > Two and 1/2 years later I became pregnant again

> > and that time carried to term and

> > had another beautiful baby boy.

> >

> > At the time, even though I was hypoT no one either

> > knew or said anything about it.

> >

> > Roni

> >

> > Silver <susanjsilver@...> wrote:

> >

> > Thank you, Crystal. That's my next stop. It's

> crazy

> > -

> > I've waited so long for the conditions to be

> exactly

> > right for a baby (now realizing that they never

> > are),

> > and when I decide to take the plunge, I find that

> I

> > am

> > sick. But I want a baby so badly now...

> >

> > I will definitely get myself in order before

> getting

> > pregnant.

> >

> > Are you the one with five children - one of them

> an

> > infant?

> >

> > -

> >

> > --- Crystal <sweetnwright@...> wrote:

> >

> > >

> > > SUSAN,

> > > I know a few different people who have had

> > > babies in their 40's. The

> > > most important thing is that you take care of

> your

> > > thyroid first since being

> > > hypo during pregnancy can cause your baby brain

> > > damage. Have you visited

> > > www.stopthethyroidmadness.com ? There is a link

> to

> > > a top docs list from

> > > there.

> > > cw

> > > -- Re: Armour alone

> > >

> > > -

> > >

> > > Wow, a vegan for 7 years. That's a lot of

> > > discipline!

> > >

> > > My TSH is now 9.677. I don't know what kind of

> > > hypotyroidism I have. My doctor just pushed

> > > Synthroid

> > > at me without explaining a thing. (I'm new to my

> > > area,

> > > and haven't found a good doctor yet.) Is that

> > > something that someone on the list could tell me

> > if

> > > I

> > > post my blood test results?

> > >

> > > And, as a side note, I have to admit, I grimaced

> > as

> > > I

> > > was writing my age and my desire to have a baby.

> I

> > > realize that risk increases with age, and I

> > expected

> > > a

> > > slew of responses telling me that I was too old.

> > So,

> > > it's great for me to hear that you're 35 and

> > wanting

> > > another. It makes it less scary.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > --- and Irwin

> > > <familyirwin@...> wrote:

> > >

> > > > Hi ,

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for your reply. I should also say, I

> > still

> > > > have the breast pain, but am looking into

> > Evening

> > > > primrose oil and Vitamin E. As well as

> > Wheatgrass

> > > > shots, and more carrot juice!!

> > > >

> > > > Yes, I was a vegan for 7 years, didn't eat the

> > > > greatest though. I ate soy in almost

> everything.

> >

> > > > Then I found the connection with soy and

> > thyroid,

> > > > and got stopped eating it for the most part.

> It

> > is

> > > > still in somethings, like my Earth Balance

> > buttery

> > > > spread, although I don't eat that very often.

> I

> > > > still try to avoid dairy as much as possible.

> I

> > > did

> > > > end up eating organic free range eggs, and

> that

> > > has

> > > > helped with my health in a lot of ways, as I

> was

> > > so

> > > > ill by that time I had to try something. It

> was

> > so

> > > > hard to break the vegan thing for me, but

> after

> > > > studying with a Natropath, he has healed a lot

> > of

> > > > people's ailments by adding Raw eggs. (YUK!)

> > But,

> > > > especially because I had a lot of heavy

> metals,

>

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So , after " years " of using these you are still sick on the much hallowed

iodine, Cortef and Armour?

Dusty

Re: Armour alone

I have taken hydrocortone (cortef) for several years---5mg 4X a day. It sure

works great for me. I also take 7-keto DHEA.

I think http://www.stopthet <http://www.stopthet

<http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com> hyroidmadness.com>

hyroidmadness.com has good info on adrenals, also google Jefferies

MD.

Gracia

I'm not confused. I know exactly what steroids can do. Even an OTC steroid

cream can thin the skin enough to cause it to break.

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Yes, I was being treated, but when I had the miscarriages, I don't think I was

on enough.

Roni

Silver <susanjsilver@...> wrote:

Hi Roni,

I just got this email now (I suppose because Ira was

away). Thank you for sharing all of this.

--- Roni Molin <matchermaam@...> wrote:

> When I became pregnant with my son, I was living in

> a different place, so I got the records from the

> first

> doctor sent to the one I was using then. The new

> doctor read them and said that we were not going

> to put me to bed or do heroic measures if this

> pregnancy started to go south. As far as I recall,

> I was taking a larger dose of thyrolar at the time

> I became pregnant. Everything went well till my

> seventh month, when I developed high blood

> pressure.

> By that time, of course he knew the pregnancy was

> viable and instructed me to get off my feet and

> get

> someone to take care of the house and my older

> son. I did as he instructed, and took it real easy

> for

> three months. The delivery was supposed to be

> induced

> because of baby sitter problems, but when I went

> in I

> was already partially dilated, and when he gave me

> the

> pitocin it came on real fast. He was born about 4

> hours

> later with no problems, thankfully, and all went

> well. I

> did not have HBP after the deivery, so that was

> good too.

> Roni

>

> Silver <susanjsilver@...> wrote:

> Hi Roni,

>

> I'm sorry you had to go through so much, but it

> looks

> like you had a very happy ending. If you don't mind

> talking about it (I totally understand if you'd

> rather

> not), do you think being hypo was a factor in the

> miscarriages? Were you being treated when you

> carried

> your son to term?

>

> Thanks,

>

>

> --- Roni Molin <matchermaam@...> wrote:

>

> > I can empathize with you . I wanted a baby

> very

> > much when I first got married,

> > then proceed to have a miscarriage a 4 months, and

> > another one at 5 months and

> > another one after 1 month. Too much time in

> > between pregnancies too.

> >

> > I had a very undrstanding doctor who suggested

> > adoption, and I wanted a baby so

> > badly we talked it over and decided yes. It took

> > 10 months of interviews by the adoption

> > agency, and I used to get so nervous I had to take

> > a valium before we went in.

> >

> > Finally we adopted a beautiful boy 4 months old.

> > It was wonderful.

> >

> > Two and 1/2 years later I became pregnant again

> > and that time carried to term and

> > had another beautiful baby boy.

> >

> > At the time, even though I was hypoT no one either

> > knew or said anything about it.

> >

> > Roni

> >

> > Silver <susanjsilver@...> wrote:

> >

> > Thank you, Crystal. That's my next stop. It's

> crazy

> > -

> > I've waited so long for the conditions to be

> exactly

> > right for a baby (now realizing that they never

> > are),

> > and when I decide to take the plunge, I find that

> I

> > am

> > sick. But I want a baby so badly now...

> >

> > I will definitely get myself in order before

> getting

> > pregnant.

> >

> > Are you the one with five children - one of them

> an

> > infant?

> >

> > -

> >

> > --- Crystal <sweetnwright@...> wrote:

> >

> > >

> > > SUSAN,

> > > I know a few different people who have had

> > > babies in their 40's. The

> > > most important thing is that you take care of

> your

> > > thyroid first since being

> > > hypo during pregnancy can cause your baby brain

> > > damage. Have you visited

> > > www.stopthethyroidmadness.com ? There is a link

> to

> > > a top docs list from

> > > there.

> > > cw

> > > -- Re: Armour alone

> > >

> > > -

> > >

> > > Wow, a vegan for 7 years. That's a lot of

> > > discipline!

> > >

> > > My TSH is now 9.677. I don't know what kind of

> > > hypotyroidism I have. My doctor just pushed

> > > Synthroid

> > > at me without explaining a thing. (I'm new to my

> > > area,

> > > and haven't found a good doctor yet.) Is that

> > > something that someone on the list could tell me

> > if

> > > I

> > > post my blood test results?

> > >

> > > And, as a side note, I have to admit, I grimaced

> > as

> > > I

> > > was writing my age and my desire to have a baby.

> I

> > > realize that risk increases with age, and I

> > expected

> > > a

> > > slew of responses telling me that I was too old.

> > So,

> > > it's great for me to hear that you're 35 and

> > wanting

> > > another. It makes it less scary.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > --- and Irwin

> > > <familyirwin@...> wrote:

> > >

> > > > Hi ,

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for your reply. I should also say, I

> > still

> > > > have the breast pain, but am looking into

> > Evening

> > > > primrose oil and Vitamin E. As well as

> > Wheatgrass

> > > > shots, and more carrot juice!!

> > > >

> > > > Yes, I was a vegan for 7 years, didn't eat the

> > > > greatest though. I ate soy in almost

> everything.

> >

> > > > Then I found the connection with soy and

> > thyroid,

> > > > and got stopped eating it for the most part.

> It

> > is

> > > > still in somethings, like my Earth Balance

> > buttery

> > > > spread, although I don't eat that very often.

> I

> > > > still try to avoid dairy as much as possible.

> I

> > > did

> > > > end up eating organic free range eggs, and

> that

> > > has

> > > > helped with my health in a lot of ways, as I

> was

> > > so

> > > > ill by that time I had to try something. It

> was

> > so

> > > > hard to break the vegan thing for me, but

> after

> > > > studying with a Natropath, he has healed a lot

> > of

> > > > people's ailments by adding Raw eggs. (YUK!)

> > But,

> > > > especially because I had a lot of heavy

> metals,

>

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I actually have my life back on iodine, cortef and Armour. I will be 60 yo

in a month.

hopefully this year I can find a job that will pay me enough to live on

without working 50+ hours per week.

Gracia

So , after " years " of using these you are still sick on the much hallowed

iodine, Cortef and Armour?

Dusty

Re: Armour alone

I think you missed the first class!

you might want to read Safe Uses of Cortisol by Jefferies MD or

Hertoghe's book on hormones.

many ppl take cortef for years if their adrenals are underfunctioning (like

thyroid gland does). remember I was sick all my life and just got what I

needed a few years ago.

gracia

I'm curious Gracia. I thought that first we heal the adrenals (even if it

means stopping our thyroid meds to do so), then begin the thyroid meds and

that is that. You have written this many times on our list. Why would you

need Cortef for years?

Dusty

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I was infertile from age 24 on, after a partial thyroidectomy, b/c I was never

given meds, probly b/c of TSH---same reason you weren't given enough meds.

Gracia

Yes, I was being treated, but when I had the miscarriages, I don't think I was

on enough.

Roni

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