Re: Possible Cause for Hashimoto's Hypothyroid

[Guest guest]

Roni Molin wrote:

>

>

> How do you account for the medical position reversals, drug

> withdrawal, illnesses attributed to patient's behavior turning out

> to be gene oriented, etc?

The drug was withdrawn as a precaution, since there was so much hoopla

over it. After five years, this appears to have been unnecessary.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

wrote:

>

> In order for it to explain the 20 to one sex difference in the rate of

> hypothyroidism in females over males it would mean that it only applies

> to moms; not to all females....

First, I really wasn't serious, but moms could account for 19 out of the 20.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

20:1 for every 20 female patients who have the disease; 1 male will get it..

is that what you wanted?

Re: Possible Cause for Hashimoto's Hypothyroid

This is one of the thing I do not understand. Can anyone explain it to me?

Thanks,

> The female-to-male ratio is 20:1. The disease is most common in middle

> aged women, but it can affect all age groups, including children.

[Guest guest]

I will say this, Chuck, you are a staunch advocate for the

medical, pharmaceutical establishment.

Roni

Re: Possible Cause for Hashimoto's Hypothyroid

Roni Molin wrote:

>

>

> How do you account for the medical position reversals, drug

> withdrawal, illnesses attributed to patient's behavior turning out

> to be gene oriented, etc?

The drug was withdrawn as a precaution, since there was so much hoopla

over it. After five years, this appears to have been unnecessary.

Chuck

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

I agree. I never give more that 2 vaccines at a time. why torture the infant? we

just schedule a vaccination appointment- that keeps the costs down for the

patient's family.

Re: Possible Cause for Hashimoto's Hypothyroid

Crystal,

You wrote:

>

> The evidence is not weak at all that vaccinations cause health problems...

You may have missed the large study that came out in May:

http://www.medscape<http://www.medscape/> .com/viewarticle /556738

that confirmed previous studies. Although the government has paid about

2,000 claims against vaccines from over 7,000 filed, these have only

been for side effects documented immediately after the vaccine. No

claims for autism have been accepted.

Whether any of these claims were valid is still in dispute. The NIH

arranged for the payments since about 70 children died of whooping cough

after parents refused the vaccine. They also removed the suspect

thimerosal from all vaccines in 2002.

Curiously in the U.K. there are legal proceedings against three doctors

for publishing unsupported alarmist claims about vaccines. They could

well lose their medical licenses.

I love you too.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

I went looking for some numbers regarding empty sella and Sheehan's

....didn't spend enough time, I'm sure, but found a bit at the following

website. Including a few lines from the page.

http://www.thamburaj.com/empty_sella.htm

A 5:1 female male predominance exists in the incidence of diaphragmatic

defects.

Over 80% of the cases occur in women, the majority between the ages of

40 and 49. 78% to 90% of these patients were described as obese,

multiparous and 31% were hypertensive (/Neelon/, 1973).

Another theory relates the empty enlarged sella to a previous pituitary

hyperplasia or hypertrophy (e.g. during pregnancy or because of primary

peripheral endocrine gland insufficiency). This theory explains the

fact that empty enlarged sella is often combined with primary thyroid

dysfunction, obesity and the female preponderance in most series.

Chuck B wrote:

> First, I really wasn't serious, but moms could account for 19 out of

> the 20.

[Guest guest]

No, I was not vaccinated before pregnancy. If I remember correctly

the rubella vaccine wasn't given at that time. Few vaccines were given

when I was a child...I had many childhood illnesses...but not German

measles. The rubella epidemic of the 1960's left a horrible legacy for

many, many babies born to mothers who contracted the illness during the

first trimester of their pregnancy. Those children born deaf and/or

blind were a tremendous financial drain on school systems...babies born

to mothers who had the illnes early in their first trimester often

suffered far more life-threatening problems...

some didn't survive.

Afterwards, I supposedly had immunity to the illness.

Crystal wrote:

>So were you vaccinated against rubella prior to your pregnancy? ALso, I

>guess you didn't get another vaccine for it right?

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sounds like a lot. If a parent requests separate shots do you order?

-- Re: Possible Cause for Hashimoto's Hypothyroid

I am a nurse practitioner and we usually start with whatever they don't have

if they are a transfer patient and if they are new; we may give Hep B [ must

give 4 wks after 1st dose at birth] and if they are at least 6 weeks then we

give DTap; HIB and and then have them come back 1 week later and get

rotavirus; PCV, IPV and no we don't separate the combo vaccines because it

is impossible to do so with out ordering them separately which is more

expensive.

nancie

Re: Possible Cause for Hashimoto's Hypothyroid

Crystal,

You wrote:

>

> The evidence is not weak at all that vaccinations cause health problems...

You may have missed the large study that came out in May:

http://www.medscape<http://www.medscape/><http://www

medscape/<http://wwwmedscape/>> .com/viewarticle /556738

that confirmed previous studies. Although the government has paid about

2,000 claims against vaccines from over 7,000 filed, these have only

been for side effects documented immediately after the vaccine. No

claims for autism have been accepted.

Whether any of these claims were valid is still in dispute. The NIH

arranged for the payments since about 70 children died of whooping cough

after parents refused the vaccine. They also removed the suspect

thimerosal from all vaccines in 2002.

Curiously in the U.K. there are legal proceedings against three doctors

for publishing unsupported alarmist claims about vaccines. They could

well lose their medical licenses.

I love you too.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

Hugo wrote:

Afterwards, I supposedly had immunity to the illness.

What do you mean supposedly? Did contract it again?

-- Re: Possible Cause for Hashimoto's Hypothyroid

No, I was not vaccinated before pregnancy. If I remember correctly

the rubella vaccine wasn't given at that time. Few vaccines were given

when I was a child...I had many childhood illnesses...but not German

measles. The rubella epidemic of the 1960's left a horrible legacy for

many, many babies born to mothers who contracted the illness during the

first trimester of their pregnancy. Those children born deaf and/or

blind were a tremendous financial drain on school systems...babies born

to mothers who had the illnes early in their first trimester often

suffered far more life-threatening problems...

some didn't survive.

Afterwards, I supposedly had immunity to the illness.

Crystal wrote:

>So were you vaccinated against rubella prior to your pregnancy? ALso, I

>guess you didn't get another vaccine for it right?

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Crystal,

I'm not sure what you are trying to accomplish with this question...

but my understanding is that having rubella makes one immune to

the disease. When the rubella vaccine became available, I was told that

my son didn't need it because he was exposed in utero to the organism. I

haven't checked for any possible changes in thinking that may have

occurred in recent years...but this was the thinking at the time when it

was an issue for me.

Crystal wrote:

> Hugo wrote:

>Afterwards, I supposedly had immunity to the illness.

>

>What do you mean supposedly? Did contract it again?

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

no because it is too expensive. if they want to come back every week for a month

they are free to do so and just have 1 or 2 shots until they are done for that

time period. unless the shot is time sensitive to a certain age [ weeks re hep b

shot]

most parents opt to have them all dome one 1 day. because most have jobs and

other commitments that keep them form being able to keep coming back.

Re: Possible Cause for Hashimoto's Hypothyroid

Crystal,

You wrote:

>

> The evidence is not weak at all that vaccinations cause health problems...

You may have missed the large study that came out in May:

http://www.medscape<http://www.medscape/><http://www.medscape/<http://wwwmedscap\

e/>><http://www<http://www/>

medscape/<http://wwwmedscape/<http://wwwmedscape/>>> .com/viewarticle /556738

that confirmed previous studies. Although the government has paid about

2,000 claims against vaccines from over 7,000 filed, these have only

been for side effects documented immediately after the vaccine. No

claims for autism have been accepted.

Whether any of these claims were valid is still in dispute. The NIH

arranged for the payments since about 70 children died of whooping cough

after parents refused the vaccine. They also removed the suspect

thimerosal from all vaccines in 2002.

Curiously in the U.K. there are legal proceedings against three doctors

for publishing unsupported alarmist claims about vaccines. They could

well lose their medical licenses.

I love you too.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

Even at 19 or the 20 it is surprising to me. I didn't realize

motherhood was so stressful to the thyroids of women.

Thanks,

>

> Re: my first flights; no wind.

>

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bXNnBHNsawN2bXNnBHN0aW1lAzExOTQzNDM5ODQ->

>

>

>

> Posted by: " " jigguy@...

>

<mailto:jigguy@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20my%20first%20flights%3B%20no%20win\

d%2E>

> jwm4649 <jwm4649>

>

>

> Mon Nov 5, 2007 7:24 am (PST)

>

> Hello all,

>

> I finally flew. Yesterday near stown NY, so I can finally,

> truthfully say that I am also a pilot, if one can count a 5-second-

> long grass-skimming belly-landing gawky-looking journey thru still

> air as a " flight. " But, that's 5 more seconds that millions of

> persons have ever flown - from a HG to a passenger or pilot in a

> big jet.

>

> There was one other student, and some more experienced pilots were

> practicing off very top of high (220'!) training hill, so I watched

> them, especially their slight shifts in control frame, and their

> landings.

>

> The instructor hustled me and other student: 25-minute intro and

> 'shop time' in a large wooden shed. We signed 1-page waiver and

> looked at 3-page handout of course outline, vocabulary, major

> ideas to remember for all flight phases. There was no simulator

> training, no videos, no preliminary tests or questions from

> instructor, which seemed unusual to me.

>

> Then, just 40 minutes after I arrived at the school, out to the

> lovely wide, long, grassy flat landing area we went, picking up

> the glider (a WW Falcon 195) and running unharnessed with it.

> Hardly when I caught my breath that I was putting on harness and

> helmet, hang-checking, and on the flat runs again.

>

> Instructor at first stood very nearby us, then gained confidence

> in me and fellow 'new' pilot and remained at a distance of 100 or

> more feet, shouting brief commands ( " Nose up! Level that left wing!

> Keep your feet under you! " )

>

> Just 30 minutes after the float-the-glider flat runs, we started

> near very bottom of training hill, but quickly advanced in 5'

> vertical increments, 2 flights at a time.

>

> Wind was a steady 5 MPH from the NW, but ceased before any of my

> flights, so I think (wrongly or correctly?) that it was more of

> a challenge achieving good fast takeoffs and good flared landings.

> Absence of wind made all ground handling and balancing very

> deceptively (?) easy and simple. Gotta learn to handle the wind,

> gotta have some.

>

> I had two landings sliding on belly, thus communing with the

> worms and ladybugs, one knee landing, and other two on feet. Aware

> of total lack of wind - that telltale hung straight down when I

> poised to take off - I exaggerated flares. 3 family members

> saw two flights, one videotaped my landings, and sure enough, I

> pushed that nose vertical.

>

> Instructor stood well away from base of hill and directed me to

> fly directly toward him, looking him in the eye, and making

> quick but small-movement pitch corrections. I first had trouble

> remembering to change from grapevine to bottle grip, and to keep

> hands at correct spots on uprights (no prone flying, no basetube

> controlling at all that day).

>

> Entire lesson was 3.5 hours, there were a few sprinkles of rain, and

> was overcast.

>

> Will I fly again? Likely. I told instructor I had unusual terror

> at first because of bicycle crashes when that ground rushed up and

> at me, and I sustained injuries. I didn't quit though; two minutes

> after each belly landing, I was determinedly clambering right back

> up that training hill, higher yet, pulling on tail of keel of faith-

> ful glider. 2 minutes later, I was 'sledding' upright on thin air.

>

> - Morse

[Guest guest]

Roni,

You wrote:

>

> I will say this, Chuck, you are a staunch advocate for the

> medical, pharmaceutical establishment.

Hardly, but maybe it's time they sent me some free samples. I am more an

advocate of science. To the extent that big pharma relies on science,

I'm for it, except for when they charge too much for it.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

,

You wrote:

>

> I went looking for some numbers regarding empty sella...

There you go, moms!

I was a little confused until I realized the sella is where we go when

the tornado warning sounds.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

My objection to big pharma was never that they ostensibly relied on

science, nor the fact that they are big, but rather that they falsify

results on their trials and give so much money to the doctors that do

the trials that what is amazing is that more people aren't killed.

Roni

Re: Possible Cause for Hashimoto's Hypothyroid

Roni,

You wrote:

>

> I will say this, Chuck, you are a staunch advocate for the

> medical, pharmaceutical establishment.

Hardly, but maybe it's time they sent me some free samples. I am more an

advocate of science. To the extent that big pharma relies on science,

I'm for it, except for when they charge too much for it.

Chuck

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Nancie,

You wrote:

>

> that ratio refers to all females; not just moms....

I believe was referring to my speculation that pregnancy was

largely responsible for the ratio.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

Well although I do believe I was hypo my whole life, it wasn't until my 3rd

son was born that my hypo symptoms stacked and made me super sick. My mom

thought I had post-partum depresion (I did, but not that bad). I swelled up

like a blowfish, got Charlie horses in my thighs, lost lots of hair and my

skin was super dry. I bought head and shoulders. That year I decided to

sign up for insurance through my husbands work and added vision insurance

because I thought I need glasses, turns out it was all my thyroid. I had a

c-section and blame/thank that on my hypo dx. So, my pregnancy/birth

actually pushed my dx along. Oh the joy of motherhood!

-- Re: Possible Cause for Hashimoto's Hypothyroid

Even at 19 or the 20 it is surprising to me. I didn't realize

motherhood was so stressful to the thyroids of women.

Thanks,

>

> Re: my first flights; no wind.

> <HangGlide/message/64116

_ylc=X3oDMTJydnYwdGZsBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE5Njc1NDAEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1NDMx

TU1BG1zZ0lkAzY0MTE2BHNlYwNkbXNnBHNsawN2bXNnBHN0aW1lAzExOTQzNDM5ODQ->

>

>

>

> Posted by: " " jigguy@...

> <mailto:jigguy@verizon

net?Subject=%20Re%3A%20my%20first%20flights%3B%20no%20wind%2E>

> jwm4649 <jwm4649>

>

>

> Mon Nov 5, 2007 7:24 am (PST)

>

> Hello all,

>

> I finally flew. Yesterday near stown NY, so I can finally,

> truthfully say that I am also a pilot, if one can count a 5-second-

> long grass-skimming belly-landing gawky-looking journey thru still

> air as a " flight. " But, that's 5 more seconds that millions of

> persons have ever flown - from a HG to a passenger or pilot in a

> big jet.

>

> There was one other student, and some more experienced pilots were

> practicing off very top of high (220'!) training hill, so I watched

> them, especially their slight shifts in control frame, and their

> landings.

>

> The instructor hustled me and other student: 25-minute intro and

> 'shop time' in a large wooden shed. We signed 1-page waiver and

> looked at 3-page handout of course outline, vocabulary, major

> ideas to remember for all flight phases. There was no simulator

> training, no videos, no preliminary tests or questions from

> instructor, which seemed unusual to me.

>

> Then, just 40 minutes after I arrived at the school, out to the

> lovely wide, long, grassy flat landing area we went, picking up

> the glider (a WW Falcon 195) and running unharnessed with it.

> Hardly when I caught my breath that I was putting on harness and

> helmet, hang-checking, and on the flat runs again.

>

> Instructor at first stood very nearby us, then gained confidence

> in me and fellow 'new' pilot and remained at a distance of 100 or

> more feet, shouting brief commands ( " Nose up! Level that left wing!

> Keep your feet under you! " )

>

> Just 30 minutes after the float-the-glider flat runs, we started

> near very bottom of training hill, but quickly advanced in 5'

> vertical increments, 2 flights at a time.

>

> Wind was a steady 5 MPH from the NW, but ceased before any of my

> flights, so I think (wrongly or correctly?) that it was more of

> a challenge achieving good fast takeoffs and good flared landings.

> Absence of wind made all ground handling and balancing very

> deceptively (?) easy and simple. Gotta learn to handle the wind,

> gotta have some.

>

> I had two landings sliding on belly, thus communing with the

> worms and ladybugs, one knee landing, and other two on feet. Aware

> of total lack of wind - that telltale hung straight down when I

> poised to take off - I exaggerated flares. 3 family members

> saw two flights, one videotaped my landings, and sure enough, I

> pushed that nose vertical.

>

> Instructor stood well away from base of hill and directed me to

> fly directly toward him, looking him in the eye, and making

> quick but small-movement pitch corrections. I first had trouble

> remembering to change from grapevine to bottle grip, and to keep

> hands at correct spots on uprights (no prone flying, no basetube

> controlling at all that day).

>

> Entire lesson was 3.5 hours, there were a few sprinkles of rain, and

> was overcast.

>

> Will I fly again? Likely. I told instructor I had unusual terror

> at first because of bicycle crashes when that ground rushed up and

> at me, and I sustained injuries. I didn't quit though; two minutes

> after each belly landing, I was determinedly clambering right back

> up that training hill, higher yet, pulling on tail of keel of faith-

> ful glider. 2 minutes later, I was 'sledding' upright on thin air.

>

> - Morse

[Guest guest]

ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

-- Re: Re: Possible Cause for Hashimoto's Hypothyroid

,

You wrote:

>

> I went looking for some numbers regarding empty sella...

There you go, moms!

I was a little confused until I realized the sella is where we go when

the tornado warning sounds.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

I am a nurse practitioner and we usually start with whatever they don't have if

they are a transfer patient and if they are new; we may give Hep B [ must give 4

wks after 1st dose at birth] and if they are at least 6 weeks then we give

DTap; HIB and and then have them come back 1 week later and get rotavirus; PCV,

IPV and no we don't separate the combo vaccines because it is impossible to do

so with out ordering them separately which is more expensive.

nancie

Re: Possible Cause for Hashimoto's Hypothyroid

Crystal,

You wrote:

>

> The evidence is not weak at all that vaccinations cause health problems...

You may have missed the large study that came out in May:

http://www.medscape<http://www.medscape/><http://www.medscape/<http://wwwmedscap\

e/>> .com/viewarticle /556738

that confirmed previous studies. Although the government has paid about

2,000 claims against vaccines from over 7,000 filed, these have only

been for side effects documented immediately after the vaccine. No

claims for autism have been accepted.

Whether any of these claims were valid is still in dispute. The NIH

arranged for the payments since about 70 children died of whooping cough

after parents refused the vaccine. They also removed the suspect

thimerosal from all vaccines in 2002.

Curiously in the U.K. there are legal proceedings against three doctors

for publishing unsupported alarmist claims about vaccines. They could

well lose their medical licenses.

I love you too.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

that ratio refers to all females; not just moms.

or at least that is how is applied in medicine # of females/males to # of

males/females......

Re: Possible Cause for Hashimoto's Hypothyroid

In order for it to explain the 20 to one sex difference in the rate of

hypothyroidism in females over males it would mean that it only applies

to moms; not to all females. Is that the case? If not it would appear

incomplete or invalid.

Thanks,

>

> Re: Possible Cause for Hashimoto's Hypothyroid

>

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>

>

>

> Posted by: " Chuck B " gumboyaya@...<mailto:gumboyaya@...>

>

<mailto:gumboyaya@...<mailto:gumboyaya@...>?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Possible%\

20Cause%20for%20Hashimoto%27s%20Hypothyroid>

> gumbo482001

<gumbo482001<gumbo482001>>

>

>

> Mon Nov 5, 2007 4:02 pm (PST)

>

> ,

>

> You wrote:

> >

> > This is one of the thing I do not understand. Can anyone explain it

> to me?

>

> Pregnancy is a major stress on the thyroid. Many women suffer temporary

> bouts of hypoT during pregnancy and extending long after every delivery.

> It seems to be a component of post partem depression. Permanent hypoT is

> often triggered by delivery.

>

> Men do not get pregnant.

>

> How's that for a theory?

>

> Chuck

[Guest guest]

ahhh ok my mistake

Re: Re: Possible Cause for Hashimoto's Hypothyroid

Nancie,

You wrote:

>

> that ratio refers to all females; not just moms....

I believe was referring to my speculation that pregnancy was

largely responsible for the ratio.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

Roni I think u miss my point . The Irwins post indicated that after

receiving that long list of immunizations - she got thyroid disease, muscle

aches , depression, gastro intestinal disorder, etc. I too have a number

of this disorders and I didn't get that long list of immunizations . We

both became ill with many of the same disorders, but our shot histories were

very different - so I'd be hard pressed to blame the shots. That was my

point.

DUsty

Re: Possible Cause for Hashimoto's Hypothyroid

That is true of the illnesses you named, however the

vaccines are for illnesses that are catching, and spread

from person to person. Even with those illnesses there

are differences. For example, the decendants of the people

that survived the plague in Europe are basically immune to

it. I know someone who is immune to smallpox.

Roni

Re: Possible Cause for Hashimoto's Hypothyroid

Yes, I have to agree...no coincidence, in my opinion...especiall y after I

was given all of my vaccines, I started having major muscle spasms in my

neck and back...then on my next series,I passed out...I have since been told

that it is a miracle that I lived...then, guess what, medical discharge...

now autoimmune.. . Here is a listing of my vaccines:

Jul 22, 1991: Tetanus-Diptheria Toxoid: 0.5 cc

Jul 22, 1991: Oral Poliovirus Vaccine: 0.5 cc

Jul 22, 1991: Influenza Vaccine: 0.5 cc

Jul 22, 1991: Mening GP Vaccine: 0.5 cc

Jul 22, 1991: Adneo Virus: 4 & 7 tabs

Jul 22, 1991: Rubella: 0.5 cc

Jul 22, 1991: Rubeola 0.5 cc

Jul 24, 1991: Monovacc Testing Negative (tuberculosis)

Jul 9, 1995: Yellow Fever Vaccine: batch 4L51171

Jul 9, 1995: Typohid Vaccine: 0.5 cc

Jul 9, 1995: Tetanus-Diphtheria Toxoids: 0.5 cc

Jul 9, 1995: Oral Poliovirus Vaccine: 2ggts or 2qqts, I can't tell Jul 9,

1995: MGC: 0.5 Jul 9, 1995: Gamma Glouben: 2.5 cc Jul 9, 1995: Hep B 1: 1 cc

Jul 9, 1995: PP8 .1cc Route: LFA Aug 8, 1995: Hep B 2: 1 cc Feb 1998: Rhogam

shot for miscarriage Sept 2003 Rhogam shot post delivery

1996: Undifferentiated Connective Tissue Disease

1999 I was diagnosed with Thyroid problems, major gastro-intestional issues,

depression, and other crazy things...

[Guest guest]

Md's told you what was from the vaccines.....all those illnesses you listed?

If it was me in that position, I'd be very skeptical of such a statement

given the number of years in between the shots and some of the illnesses.

Time and environmental conditions take their toll on our bodies, as do our

diets and stress. Again, all I can say is I have a number of the very same

illnessess and I didn't get the shots. That would lead me to suspect that

it isn't the shots.

Dusty

Re: Possible Cause for Hashimoto's Hypothyroid

Dusty,

Yes, it depends on your constitution. So, what you do say then, when MD's

told me it was from vaccines? Should I not blame it on that?

Blessings,

Dusty, you wrote:

" I was diagnosed with major depressive illness, thyroid disease and mild

brain lesions at age 47 and 52. I had none of those shots, except for

polio and smallpox as a 3 yr old baby. I also have moderately severe

osteoarthritis, and gastrointestinal difficulties (30 yr ulcer history). "

I'd like to blame it on somebody, but I really think its the luck of the

draw. Some of us will get certain illnesses and some ofus won't.

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Just because one person gets something as a reaction or result

of shots doesn't mean someone else can't get the same thing

without the shots. Everyone is different, and reacts differently

to different substances.

Roni

Re: Possible Cause for Hashimoto's Hypothyroid

Yes, I have to agree...no coincidence, in my opinion...especiall y after I

was given all of my vaccines, I started having major muscle spasms in my

neck and back...then on my next series,I passed out...I have since been told

that it is a miracle that I lived...then, guess what, medical discharge...

now autoimmune.. . Here is a listing of my vaccines:

Jul 22, 1991: Tetanus-Diptheria Toxoid: 0.5 cc

Jul 22, 1991: Oral Poliovirus Vaccine: 0.5 cc

Jul 22, 1991: Influenza Vaccine: 0.5 cc

Jul 22, 1991: Mening GP Vaccine: 0.5 cc

Jul 22, 1991: Adneo Virus: 4 & 7 tabs

Jul 22, 1991: Rubella: 0.5 cc

Jul 22, 1991: Rubeola 0.5 cc

Jul 24, 1991: Monovacc Testing Negative (tuberculosis)

Jul 9, 1995: Yellow Fever Vaccine: batch 4L51171

Jul 9, 1995: Typohid Vaccine: 0.5 cc

Jul 9, 1995: Tetanus-Diphtheria Toxoids: 0.5 cc

Jul 9, 1995: Oral Poliovirus Vaccine: 2ggts or 2qqts, I can't tell Jul 9,

1995: MGC: 0.5 Jul 9, 1995: Gamma Glouben: 2.5 cc Jul 9, 1995: Hep B 1: 1 cc

Jul 9, 1995: PP8 .1cc Route: LFA Aug 8, 1995: Hep B 2: 1 cc Feb 1998: Rhogam

shot for miscarriage Sept 2003 Rhogam shot post delivery

1996: Undifferentiated Connective Tissue Disease

1999 I was diagnosed with Thyroid problems, major gastro-intestional issues,

depression, and other crazy things...

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[Guest guest]

No, MD's told me that the " Undifferentiated Connective Tissue Disease " was from

the vaccines. I have autoimmune disease (undifferentiated tissue disease) from

the vaccines, hence that is why I was medically discharged from the military.

The time lapse was not that long from when I received the shots. I was under

medical review in 1995, it took 1 year to finally discharge me. With autoimmune

diseases, you can get other diseases. I have hashimoto...and gastro-intestional

(can't digest wheat, but not celiac), and so, I find it hard to not believe it

was from the vaccines.

Blessings.

Dusty <dusty@...> wrote:

Md's told you what was from the vaccines.....all those illnesses you

listed?

If it was me in that position, I'd be very skeptical of such a statement

given the number of years in between the shots and some of the illnesses.

Time and environmental conditions take their toll on our bodies, as do our

diets and stress. Again, all I can say is I have a number of the very same

illnessess and I didn't get the shots. That would lead me to suspect that

it isn't the shots.

Dusty

Re: Possible Cause for Hashimoto's Hypothyroid

Dusty,

Yes, it depends on your constitution. So, what you do say then, when MD's

told me it was from vaccines? Should I not blame it on that?

Blessings,

Dusty, you wrote:

" I was diagnosed with major depressive illness, thyroid disease and mild

brain lesions at age 47 and 52. I had none of those shots, except for

polio and smallpox as a 3 yr old baby. I also have moderately severe

osteoarthritis, and gastrointestinal difficulties (30 yr ulcer history). "

I'd like to blame it on somebody, but I really think its the luck of the

draw. Some of us will get certain illnesses and some ofus won't.

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