Re: Possible Cause for Hashimoto's Hypothyroid

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I have tried, and will try again this week when the state visits the group

home. The state doesn't listen to worker bees, and the state is very supportive

of psychotropics.

Gracia

Gracia, you should report this to the facilities owners/operators or the

state. I wouldn't knowingly allow a doc not to treat a diagnosed disease

such as hypothyroidism. Once its diagnosed - they have to treat it = right?

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In my hometown, somebody (probably not me though, I'm not pushy enough)

would take her medical record with the hypo diagnosis and the treatment you

describe and contact the local paper.... as an expose on the group home.

Maybe you have someone who work with you who is aggressive enough to do

that. Then the state has to listen, yes?

Dusty

Re: Re: Possible Cause for Hashimoto's Hypothyroid

I have tried, and will try again this week when the state visits the group

home. The state doesn't listen to worker bees, and the state is very

supportive of psychotropics.

Gracia

Gracia, you should report this to the facilities owners/operators or the

state. I wouldn't knowingly allow a doc not to treat a diagnosed disease

such as hypothyroidism. Once its diagnosed - they have to treat it = right?

Dusty

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Not necessarily. It depends who they are " in bed " with, and how far their

mandate

goes to do whatever they want. Gracia could also end up losing her job.

However,

collecting copies of the records to publish after you decide to quit or get a

better

job, might be interesting.

Roni

Dusty <dusty@...> wrote:

In my hometown, somebody (probably not me though, I'm not pushy

enough)

would take her medical record with the hypo diagnosis and the treatment you

describe and contact the local paper.... as an expose on the group home.

Maybe you have someone who work with you who is aggressive enough to do

that. Then the state has to listen, yes?

Dusty

Re: Re: Possible Cause for Hashimoto's Hypothyroid

I have tried, and will try again this week when the state visits the group

home. The state doesn't listen to worker bees, and the state is very

supportive of psychotropics.

Gracia

Gracia, you should report this to the facilities owners/operators or the

state. I wouldn't knowingly allow a doc not to treat a diagnosed disease

such as hypothyroidism. Once its diagnosed - they have to treat it = right?

Dusty

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What about HIPAA? She could be in trouble with far more than the

insitution employing her if she collects copies of records.

Roni Molin wrote:

>Not necessarily. It depends who they are " in bed " with, and how far their

mandate

> goes to do whatever they want. Gracia could also end up losing her job.

However,

> collecting copies of the records to publish after you decide to quit or get a

better

> job, might be interesting.

>

> Roni

>

>

[Guest guest]

Good point .

Roni

Hugo <seashell@...> wrote:

What about HIPAA? She could be in trouble with far more than the

insitution employing her if she collects copies of records.

Roni Molin wrote:

>Not necessarily. It depends who they are " in bed " with, and how far their

mandate

> goes to do whatever they want. Gracia could also end up losing her job.

However,

> collecting copies of the records to publish after you decide to quit or get a

better

> job, might be interesting.

>

> Roni

>

>

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Gracia wrote:

>

> he is not an MD

> he might be a PhD

He HAS an M.D. That is a professional degree awarded when you graduate

from medical school, which he did.

What he is not, is " practicing, " since he chose to retire from his

former practice. That means he can no longer write prescriptions, since

he allowed his medical license to expire. However, he still has the

degree and always will.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

Roni,

You wrote:

>

> It doesn't seem to me that hair analysis is crap. It makes perfect

> sense. Of course, a reputable lab with highly experienced technicians is a

must.

That is the beauty of pseudoscience, it makes perfect sense to someone

who doesn't know any better. So why have none of the " reputable " labs

with highly experienced technicians ever published their highly accurate

results in a peer reviewed venue? There is a reason why health insurance

and Medicare won't cover it, even though most of them will cover

acupuncture, biofeedback, and chiropractic.

Here are some papers on the subject you might want to look up:

U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, Health Care Financing

Administration (HCFA). Hair analysis -- not covered. Medicare Coverage

Issues Manual §50-24. Baltimore, MD: HCFA; 2000.

Lazar P. Hair analysis: What does it tell us? JAMA. 1974;229:1908-1909.

Hambidge KM. Hair analyses: Worthless for vitamins, limited for

minerals. Am J Clin Nutr. 1983;36:943-949.

Klevay LM, Bistrian BR, Fleming CR, Neumann CG. Hair analysis in

clinical and experimental medicine. Am J Clin Nutr. 1987;46(2):233-236.

Commercial hair analysis: Science or scam? JAMA. 1985;254:1041-1045.

Filipek PA, Accardo PJ, Ashwal S, et al. Practice parameter: Screening

and diagnosis of autism. Report of the Quality Standards Subcommittee of

the American Academy of Neurology and the Child Neurology Society.

Neurology. 2000;55(4):468-479.

Kruse-Jarres JD. Limited usefulness of essential trace element analyses

in hair. Am Clin Lab. 2000;19(5):8-10.

Hu H. Exposure to metals. Prim Care. 2000;27(4):983-996.

Hindmarsh JT. Caveats in hair analysis in chronic arsenic poisoning.

Clin Biochem. 2002;35(1):1-11.

Niggemann B, Gruber C. Unproven diagnostic procedures in IgE-mediated

allergic diseases. Allergy. 2004;59(8):806-808.

Tsatsakis A, Tutudaki M. Progress in pesticide and POPs hair analysis

for the assessment of exposure. Forensic Sci Int. 2004;145(2-3):195-199.

Dolan K, Rouen D, Kimber J. An overview of the use of urine, hair, sweat

and saliva to detect drug use. Drug Alcohol Rev. 2004;23(2):213-217.

Passalacqua G, Compalati E, Schiappoli M, Senna G. Complementary and

alternative medicine for the treatment and diagnosis of asthma and

allergic diseases. Monaldi Arch Chest Dis. 2005;63(1):47-54.

Savvopoulos MA, Pallis E, Tzatzarakis MN, et al. Legal issues of

addiction assessment: The experience with hair testing in Greece. J Appl

Toxicol. 2005;25(2):143-152.

Gambelunghe C, Rossi R, Ferranti C, et al. Hair analysis by GC/MS/MS to

verify abuse of drugs. J Appl Toxicol. 2005;25(3):205-211.

Kapaj S, H, Liber K, Bhattacharya P. Human health effects from

chronic arsenic poisoning--a review. J Environ Sci Health A Tox Hazard

Subst Environ Eng. 2006;41(10):2399-2428.

Caprara DL, Klein J, Koren G. Diagnosis of fetal alcohol spectrum

disorder (FASD): Fatty acid ethyl esters and neonatal hair analysis. Ann

Ist Super Sanita. 2006;42(1):39-45.

Ng DK, Chan CH, Soo MT, Lee RS. Low-level chronic mercury exposure in

children and adolescents: Meta-analysis. Pediatr Int. 2007;49(1):80-87.

Chuck

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Chuck that seems so curious to me. Why would a doctor allow his license to

expire?

A person works so hard and long to become a doctor that letting it expire is

either

senseless or suspicious to me.

Roni

Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote:

Gracia wrote:

>

> he is not an MD

> he might be a PhD

He HAS an M.D. That is a professional degree awarded when you graduate

from medical school, which he did.

What he is not, is " practicing, " since he chose to retire from his

former practice. That means he can no longer write prescriptions, since

he allowed his medical license to expire. However, he still has the

degree and always will.

Chuck

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Medicare doesn't dental work either. Does that make them crap too?

Roni

Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote:

Roni,

You wrote:

>

> It doesn't seem to me that hair analysis is crap. It makes perfect

> sense. Of course, a reputable lab with highly experienced technicians is a

must.

That is the beauty of pseudoscience, it makes perfect sense to someone

who doesn't know any better. So why have none of the " reputable " labs

with highly experienced technicians ever published their highly accurate

results in a peer reviewed venue? There is a reason why health insurance

and Medicare won't cover it, even though most of them will cover

acupuncture, biofeedback, and chiropractic.

Here are some papers on the subject you might want to look up:

U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, Health Care Financing

Administration (HCFA). Hair analysis -- not covered. Medicare Coverage

Issues Manual §50-24. Baltimore, MD: HCFA; 2000.

Lazar P. Hair analysis: What does it tell us? JAMA. 1974;229:1908-1909.

Hambidge KM. Hair analyses: Worthless for vitamins, limited for

minerals. Am J Clin Nutr. 1983;36:943-949.

Klevay LM, Bistrian BR, Fleming CR, Neumann CG. Hair analysis in

clinical and experimental medicine. Am J Clin Nutr. 1987;46(2):233-236.

Commercial hair analysis: Science or scam? JAMA. 1985;254:1041-1045.

Filipek PA, Accardo PJ, Ashwal S, et al. Practice parameter: Screening

and diagnosis of autism. Report of the Quality Standards Subcommittee of

the American Academy of Neurology and the Child Neurology Society.

Neurology. 2000;55(4):468-479.

Kruse-Jarres JD. Limited usefulness of essential trace element analyses

in hair. Am Clin Lab. 2000;19(5):8-10.

Hu H. Exposure to metals. Prim Care. 2000;27(4):983-996.

Hindmarsh JT. Caveats in hair analysis in chronic arsenic poisoning.

Clin Biochem. 2002;35(1):1-11.

Niggemann B, Gruber C. Unproven diagnostic procedures in IgE-mediated

allergic diseases. Allergy. 2004;59(8):806-808.

Tsatsakis A, Tutudaki M. Progress in pesticide and POPs hair analysis

for the assessment of exposure. Forensic Sci Int. 2004;145(2-3):195-199.

Dolan K, Rouen D, Kimber J. An overview of the use of urine, hair, sweat

and saliva to detect drug use. Drug Alcohol Rev. 2004;23(2):213-217.

Passalacqua G, Compalati E, Schiappoli M, Senna G. Complementary and

alternative medicine for the treatment and diagnosis of asthma and

allergic diseases. Monaldi Arch Chest Dis. 2005;63(1):47-54.

Savvopoulos MA, Pallis E, Tzatzarakis MN, et al. Legal issues of

addiction assessment: The experience with hair testing in Greece. J Appl

Toxicol. 2005;25(2):143-152.

Gambelunghe C, Rossi R, Ferranti C, et al. Hair analysis by GC/MS/MS to

verify abuse of drugs. J Appl Toxicol. 2005;25(3):205-211.

Kapaj S, H, Liber K, Bhattacharya P. Human health effects from

chronic arsenic poisoning--a review. J Environ Sci Health A Tox Hazard

Subst Environ Eng. 2006;41(10):2399-2428.

Caprara DL, Klein J, Koren G. Diagnosis of fetal alcohol spectrum

disorder (FASD): Fatty acid ethyl esters and neonatal hair analysis. Ann

Ist Super Sanita. 2006;42(1):39-45.

Ng DK, Chan CH, Soo MT, Lee RS. Low-level chronic mercury exposure in

children and adolescents: Meta-analysis. Pediatr Int. 2007;49(1):80-87.

Chuck

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he can always re-instate it as long as he is in good standing with his state

medical board and has done his continuing medical education and is up to date

with that.

Re: Re: Possible Cause for Hashimoto's Hypothyroid

Chuck that seems so curious to me. Why would a doctor allow his license to

expire?

A person works so hard and long to become a doctor that letting it expire is

either

senseless or suspicious to me.

Roni

Chuck B <gumboyaya@...<mailto:gumboyaya@...>> wrote:

Gracia wrote:

>

> he is not an MD

> he might be a PhD

He HAS an M.D. That is a professional degree awarded when you graduate

from medical school, which he did.

What he is not, is " practicing, " since he chose to retire from his

former practice. That means he can no longer write prescriptions, since

he allowed his medical license to expire. However, he still has the

degree and always will.

Chuck

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Roni,

In this case it was retirement. Most of his published research was back

in the 1980s. The world graduates many more M.D.s than ever end up in

practice. Many choose to go directly into research and never apply for a

license. There are also many who try to practice for a few years and

then give up in disgust over the insurance system. My wife used to

consult for medical practices that were having trouble. It's not as easy

as it looks.

Chuck

>

> Chuck that seems so curious to me. Why would a doctor allow his license

> to expire?

> A person works so hard and long to become a doctor that letting it

> expire is either

> senseless or suspicious to me.

>

[Guest guest]

Roni Molin wrote:

>

>

> Medicare doesn't dental work either. Does that make them crap too?

>

No, because the Manual explains WHY they do or don't cover things.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

I have to agree that the insurance system is disgusting for doctors as well as

patients. The government really has to step in and change things. Actually, I

would like to see them reign in the insurance companies, instead of the

doctors.

Roni

Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote:

Roni,

In this case it was retirement. Most of his published research was back

in the 1980s. The world graduates many more M.D.s than ever end up in

practice. Many choose to go directly into research and never apply for a

license. There are also many who try to practice for a few years and

then give up in disgust over the insurance system. My wife used to

consult for medical practices that were having trouble. It's not as easy

as it looks.

Chuck

>

> Chuck that seems so curious to me. Why would a doctor allow his license

> to expire?

> A person works so hard and long to become a doctor that letting it

> expire is either

> senseless or suspicious to me.

>

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IMO there are 2 ppl in the group home who have untreated congenital

hypothyroidism but they have never been Dxed!! this is b/c of the TSH test.

These ppl badly need high dose iodine, like they would get in the old

days---then their TSHes would go up.

I got the preliminary autopsy report on my mother over the phone.

COPD, a small thyroid gland with mulitple nodules on it.

Doc said thyroid gland decreases with age ?????

I tried to tell him that TSH is a poor test. He told me the old " normal " used

to be 9 now it's 3 (even though a lot of labs say 5). they don't get it, this

is a failed system.

Gracia

In my hometown, somebody (probably not me though, I'm not pushy enough)

would take her medical record with the hypo diagnosis and the treatment you

describe and contact the local paper.... as an expose on the group home.

Maybe you have someone who work with you who is aggressive enough to do

that. Then the state has to listen, yes?

Dusty

Re: Re: Possible Cause for Hashimoto's Hypothyroid

I have tried, and will try again this week when the state visits the group

home. The state doesn't listen to worker bees, and the state is very

supportive of psychotropics.

Gracia

Gracia, you should report this to the facilities owners/operators or the

state. I wouldn't knowingly allow a doc not to treat a diagnosed disease

such as hypothyroidism. Once its diagnosed - they have to treat it = right?

Dusty

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Dr. Barrett was born in 1933 so he's in his 70's. He retired. He no

longer writes prescriptions, so has no need to pay for a license every year.

The crap about him being " delicensed " is total balderdash, perpetrated

mainly by a crony of Hulda , Tim Bolen. Birds of a feather...

>

> Re: Possible Cause for Hashimoto's Hypothyroid

>

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> Posted by: " Roni Molin " matchermaam@...

>

<mailto:matchermaam@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Possible%20Cause%20for%20Hashim\

oto%27s%20Hypothyroid>

> matchermaam <matchermaam>

>

>

> Mon Nov 19, 2007 3:33 pm (PST)

>

> Chuck that seems so curious to me. Why would a allow his license to

> expire?

> A person works so hard and long to become a doctor that letting it

> expire is either

> senseless or suspicious to me.

>

> Roni

>

> Chuck B <gumboyaya@... <mailto:gumboyaya%40cox.net>> wrote:

> Gracia wrote:

> >

> > he is not an MD

> > he might be a PhD

>

> He HAS an M.D. That is a professional degree awarded when you graduate

> from medical school, which he did.

>

> What he is not, is " practicing,

> " since he chose to retire from his

> former practice. That means he can no longer write prescriptions, since

> he allowed his medical license to expire. However, he still has the

> degree and always will.

>

> Chuck

[Guest guest]

Surely you see the logical fallacy implied in your question. Or do you???

> .

>

>

> Re: Possible Cause for Hashimoto's Hypothyroid

>

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>

>

>

> Posted by: " Roni Molin " matchermaam@...

>

<mailto:matchermaam@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Possible%20Cause%20for%20Hashim\

oto%27s%20Hypothyroid>

> matchermaam <matchermaam>

>

>

> Mon Nov 19, 2007 3:36 pm (PST)

>

> Medicare doesn't dental work either. Does that make them crap too?

>

> Roni

>

> Chuck B <gumboyaya@... <mailto:gumboyaya%40cox.net>> wrote:

> Roni,

>

> You wrote:

> >

> > It doesn't seem to me that hair analysis is crap. It makes perfect

> > sense. Of course, a reputable lab with highly experienced

> technicians is a must.

>

> That is the beauty of pseudoscience, it makes perfect sense to someone

> who doesn't know any better. So why have none of the " reputable " labs

> with highly experienced technicians ever published their highly accurate

> results in a peer reviewed venue? There is a reason why health insurance

> and Medicare won't cover it, even though most of them will cover

> acupuncture, biofeedback, and chiropractic.

>

> Here are some papers on the subject you might want to look up:

>

> U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, Health Care Financing

> Administration (HCFA). Hair analysis -- not covered. Medicare Coverage

> Issues Manual §50-24. Baltimore, MD: HCFA; 2000.

> Lazar P. Hair analysis: What does it tell us? JAMA. 1974;229:1908-

> 1909.

> Hambidge KM. Hair analyses: Worthless for vitamins, limited for

> minerals. Am J Clin Nutr. 1983;36:943-949.

> Klevay LM, Bistrian BR, Fleming CR, Neumann CG. Hair analysis in

> clinical and experimental medicine. Am J Clin Nutr. 1987;46(2):233-236.

> Commercial hair analysis: Science or scam? JAMA. 1985;254:1041-1045.

> Filipek PA, Accardo PJ, Ashwal S, et al. Practice parameter: Screening

> and diagnosis of autism. Report of the Quality Standards Subcommittee of

> the American Academy of Neurology and the Child Neurology Society.

> Neurology. 2000;55(4):468-479.

> Kruse-Jarres JD. Limited usefulness of essential trace element analyses

> in hair. Am Clin Lab. 2000;19(5):8-10.

> Hu H. Exposure to metals. Prim Care. 2000;27(4):983-996.

> Hindmarsh JT. Caveats in hair analysis in chronic arsenic poisoning.

> Clin Biochem. 2002;35(1):1-11.

> Niggemann B, Gruber C. Unproven diagnostic procedures in IgE-mediated

> allergic diseases. Allergy. 2004;59(8):806-808.

> Tsatsakis A, Tutudaki M. Progress in pesticide and POPs hair analysis

> for the assessment of exposure. Forensic Sci Int. 2004;145(2-3):195-199.

> Dolan K, Rouen D, Kimber J. An overview of the use of urine, hair, sweat

> and saliva to detect drug use. Drug Alcohol Rev. 2004;23(2):213-217.

> Passalacqua G, Compalati E, Schiappoli M, Senna G. Complementary and

> alternative medicine for the treatment and diagnosis of asthma and

> allergic diseases. Monaldi Arch Chest Dis. 2005;63(1):47-54.

> Savvopoulos MA, Pallis E, Tzatzarakis MN, et al. Legal issues of

> addiction assessment: The experience with hair testing in Greece. J Appl

> Toxicol. 2005;25(2):143-152.

> Gambelunghe C, Rossi R, Ferranti C, et al. Hair analysis by GC/MS/MS to

> verify abuse of drugs. J Appl Toxicol. 2005;25(3):205-211.

> Kapaj S, H, Liber K, Bhattacharya P. Human health effects from

> chronic arsenic poisoning--a review. J Environ Sci Health A Tox Hazard

> Subst Environ Eng. 2006;41(10):2399-2428.

> Caprara DL, Klein J, Koren G. Diagnosis of fetal alcohol spectrum

> disorder (FASD): Fatty acid ethyl esters and neonatal hair analysis. Ann

> Ist Super Sanita. 2006;42(1):39-45.

> Ng DK, Chan CH, Soo MT, Lee RS. Low-level chronic mercury exposure in

> children and adolescents: Meta-analysis. Pediatr Int. 2007;49(1):80-87.

>

> Chuck

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A stint in prison or a major fine [or both] might well be " interesting " ;

but hardly desirable. The privacy laws are really draconian, and you'd

better have proper authorization for whatever private health material

that you take.

>

> Re: Possible Cause for Hashimoto's Hypothyroid

>

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> Posted by: " Roni Molin " matchermaam@...

>

<mailto:matchermaam@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Possible%20Cause%20for%20Hashim\

oto%27s%20Hypothyroid>

> matchermaam <matchermaam>

>

>

> Mon Nov 19, 2007 2:28 pm (PST)

>

> Not necessarily. It depends who they are " in bed " with, and how far

> their mandate

> goes to do whatever they want. Gracia could also end up losing her

> job. However,

> collecting copies of the records to publish after you decide to quit

> or get a better

> job, might be interesting.

>

> Roni

>

> Dusty <dusty@... <mailto:dusty%40brookehurst.net>>

> wrote:

> In my hometown, somebody (probably not me though, I'm not pushy enough)

> would take her medical record with the hypo diagnosis and the

> treatment you

> describe and contact the local paper.... as an expose on the group home.

> Maybe you have someone who work with you who is aggressive enough to do

> that. Then the state has to listen, yes?

>

> Dusty

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Ah; yes. Let's have the government take care of it. That should really

fix it up great...

>

> Re: Possible Cause for Hashimoto's Hypothyroid

>

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>

>

>

> Posted by: " Roni Molin " matchermaam@...

>

<mailto:matchermaam@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Possible%20Cause%20for%20Hashim\

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> matchermaam <matchermaam>

>

>

> Mon Nov 19, 2007 9:14 pm (PST)

>

> I have to agree that the insurance system is disgusting for doctors as

> well as

> patients. The government really has to step in and change things.

> Actually, I

> would like to see them reign in the insurance companies, instead of the

> doctors.

>

> Roni

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You don't seem to understand my post . I want the government to stop the

insurance companies from charging whatever they please, and don't quote

current

so called " regulation " to me because it is virtually nonexistant. They get

whatever

the traffic will bear, and in states (like mine) are free to refuse legitimate

claims.

Roni

<res075oh@...> wrote:

Ah; yes. Let's have the government take care of it. That should really

fix it up great...

>

> Re: Possible Cause for Hashimoto's Hypothyroid

>

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>

>

>

> Posted by: " Roni Molin " matchermaam@...

>

<mailto:matchermaam@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Possible%20Cause%20for%20Hashim\

oto%27s%20Hypothyroid>

> matchermaam <matchermaam>

>

>

> Mon Nov 19, 2007 9:14 pm (PST)

>

> I have to agree that the insurance system is disgusting for doctors as

> well as

> patients. The government really has to step in and change things.

> Actually, I

> would like to see them reign in the insurance companies, instead of the

> doctors.

>

> Roni

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do you have an insurance commissioner in your state? if yes- call him an

complain about your medical insurance. they will help you file a complaint.

Re: Re: Possible Cause for Hashimoto's Hypothyroid

You don't seem to understand my post . I want the government to stop the

insurance companies from charging whatever they please, and don't quote

current

so called " regulation " to me because it is virtually nonexistant. They get

whatever

the traffic will bear, and in states (like mine) are free to refuse legitimate

claims.

Roni

<res075oh@...<mailto:res075oh@...>> wrote:

Ah; yes. Let's have the government take care of it. That should really

fix it up great...

>

> Re: Possible Cause for Hashimoto's Hypothyroid

>

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wBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMzI3NjgEc2V\

jA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTE5NTU1NDQ0Nw--<hypo\

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U1NDQ0Nw-->>

>

>

>

> Posted by: " Roni Molin " matchermaam@...<mailto:matchermaam@...>

>

<mailto:matchermaam@...<mailto:matchermaam@...>?Subject=%20Re%3A%20P\

ossible%20Cause%20for%20Hashimoto%27s%20Hypothyroid>

> matchermaam

<matchermaam<matchermaam>>

>

>

> Mon Nov 19, 2007 9:14 pm (PST)

>

> I have to agree that the insurance system is disgusting for doctors as

> well as

> patients. The government really has to step in and change things.

> Actually, I

> would like to see them reign in the insurance companies, instead of the

> doctors.

>

> Roni

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Yeah, because this huge gov is doing such a great job already ... oh brother.

>

> I have to agree that the insurance system is disgusting for doctors as well

> as

> patients. The government really has to step in and change things. Actually,

> I

> would like to see them reign in the insurance companies, instead of the

> doctors.

>

> Roni

>

> Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote:

> Roni,

>

> In this case it was retirement. Most of his published research was back

> in the 1980s. The world graduates many more M.D.s than ever end up in

> practice. Many choose to go directly into research and never apply for a

> license. There are also many who try to practice for a few years and

> then give up in disgust over the insurance system. My wife used to

> consult for medical practices that were having trouble. It's not as easy

> as it looks.

>

> Chuck

>

> >

> > Chuck that seems so curious to me. Why would a doctor allow his license

> > to expire?

> > A person works so hard and long to become a doctor that letting it

> > expire is either

> > senseless or suspicious to me.

>

>

>

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We went through a big hullabaloo in Florida in an attempt to make home

owner's insurance more affordable; as most of us are paying from a few

hundred to possibly thousands of percent of our former premiums [before

the '04 and '05 hurricanes]. With much fanfare the state legislature

and governor announced that they had solved the problem, and the average

rate decrease would be on the order of 25%. But this was obtained at

the expense of putting the state into the reinsurance business and

selling reinsurance to the insurance companies much more cheaply than

the companies who normally do this would. The down side is that in case

of a major hurricane the taxpayers of Florida will be in hock for

billions of dollars.

And then we started getting our insurance renewal notices. Many who had

suffered hundreds or thousands of dollars of increases say a reduction

of one percent or so.

And now these same companies are asking for rate increases of from 25%

to 74%; in addition to the massive increases they have already put

through. So with the massive input of the government we're still going

to get the shaft of much higher rates instead of a rate reduction; and

this is in addition of being on the hook for billions of dollars through

our taxes in case of a major hurricane...; coverage that formerly the

insurance companies were covering.

And we've just gone through the same thing with property taxes; which

went through the roof with the recent residential property value run-up

that we had. And Florida went up much more than most states.

So the government spent untold hours and dollars in " fixing " the

property tax problem; and after much huffing and puffing produced a

" solution " . And after the fanfare dies down it appears that the average

homeowner will receive a reduction of around $20 per month in the home

owner's property tax bill; after having watched it increase by

frequently thousands of dollars per year recently. And that will only

happen if an initiative is passed in an election early next year; which

is not too probable.

So, the government of Florida " fixed " the home owner's insurance problem

and " fixed " the home owner's property tax problem. And as is too often

the case there is no fix at all; and the strong probability exists that

the situation was made worse in each case.

So to depend upon the government to really fix anything is risky;

whether it's state government or national government. At least in my

opinion.

>

> Re: Possible Cause for Hashimoto's Hypothyroid

>

<hypothyroidism/message/32780;_ylc=X3oDMTJxcHE4cWN\

oBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMzI3ODAEc2V\

jA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTE5NTY0MDM4NQ-->

>

>

>

> Posted by: " Roni Molin " matchermaam@...

>

<mailto:matchermaam@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Possible%20Cause%20for%20Hashim\

oto%27s%20Hypothyroid>

> matchermaam <matchermaam>

>

>

> Tue Nov 20, 2007 3:08 pm (PST)

>

> You don't seem to understand my post . I want the government to

> stop the

> insurance companies from charging whatever they please, and don't

> quote current

> so called " regulation " to me because it is virtually nonexistant. They

> get whatever

> the traffic will bear, and in states (like mine) are free to refuse

> legitimate claims.

>

> Roni

>

> <res075oh@... <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net>> wrote:

> Ah; yes. Let's have the government take care of it. That should really

> fix it up great...

>

>

>

> >

> > Re: Possible Cause for Hashimoto's Hypothyroid

> >

>

<hypothyroidism/message/32768;_ylc=X3oDMTJxMm9zcDl\

wBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMzI3NjgEc2V\

jA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTE5NTU1NDQ0Nw--

>

<hypothyroidism/message/32768;_ylc=X3oDMTJxMm9zcDl\

wBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMzI3NjgEc2V\

jA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTE5NTU1NDQ0Nw-->>

> >

> >

> >

> > Posted by: " Roni Molin " matchermaam@...

> <mailto:matchermaam%40>

> > <mailto:matchermaam@...

> <mailto:matchermaam%40>?Subject=%20Re%

> 3A%20Possible%20Cause%20for%20Hashimoto%27s%20Hypothyroid>

> > matchermaam <matchermaam

> <matchermaam>>

> >

> >

> > Mon Nov 19, 2007 9:14 pm (PST)

> >

> > I have to agree that the insurance system is disgusting for doctors as

> > well as

> > patients. The government really has to step in and change things.

> > Actually, I

> > would like to see them reign in the insurance companies, instead of the

> > doctors.

> >

> > Roni

[Guest guest]

And be sure you write your complaint on good quality toilet paper. They

don't like using the cheap stuff... [ggg]

>

> Re: Possible Cause for Hashimoto's Hypothyroid

>

<hypothyroidism/message/32781;_ylc=X3oDMTJxcnFpa2l\

wBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMzI3ODEEc2V\

jA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTE5NTY0MDM4NQ-->

>

>

>

> Posted by: " Nancie Barnett " deifspirit@...

>

<mailto:deifspirit@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Possible%20Cause%20for%20Hashimoto\

%27s%20Hypothyroid>

> aspenfairy1 <aspenfairy1>

>

>

> Tue Nov 20, 2007 4:30 pm (PST)

>

> do you have an insurance commissioner in your state? if yes- call him

> an complain about your medical insurance. they will help you file a

> complaint.

[Guest guest]

james-

in calif the insurance commisioners office is a valid office and has gone after

insurx co's before and WON. I should know I was a defendant in a past case. I

made a complaint and they went after them.

Re: Possible Cause for Hashimoto's Hypothyroid

And be sure you write your complaint on good quality toilet paper. They

don't like using the cheap stuff... [ggg]

>

> Re: Possible Cause for Hashimoto's Hypothyroid

>

<hypothyroidism/message/32781;_ylc=X3oDMTJxcnFpa2l\

wBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMzI3ODEEc2V\

jA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTE5NTY0MDM4NQ--<hypo\

thyroidism/message/32781;_ylc=X3oDMTJxcnFpa2lwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NA\

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Y0MDM4NQ-->>

>

>

>

> Posted by: " Nancie Barnett " deifspirit@...<mailto:deifspirit@...>

>

<mailto:deifspirit@...<mailto:deifspirit@...>?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Possibl\

e%20Cause%20for%20Hashimoto%27s%20Hypothyroid>

> aspenfairy1

<aspenfairy1<aspenfairy1>>

>

>

> Tue Nov 20, 2007 4:30 pm (PST)

>

> do you have an insurance commissioner in your state? if yes- call him

> an complain about your medical insurance. they will help you file a

> complaint.

[Guest guest]

Well, maybe the Floridians should look into who is governing them.

Roni

<res075oh@...> wrote:

We went through a big hullabaloo in Florida in an attempt to make home

owner's insurance more affordable; as most of us are paying from a few

hundred to possibly thousands of percent of our former premiums [before

the '04 and '05 hurricanes]. With much fanfare the state legislature

and governor announced that they had solved the problem, and the average

rate decrease would be on the order of 25%. But this was obtained at

the expense of putting the state into the reinsurance business and

selling reinsurance to the insurance companies much more cheaply than

the companies who normally do this would. The down side is that in case

of a major hurricane the taxpayers of Florida will be in hock for

billions of dollars.

And then we started getting our insurance renewal notices. Many who had

suffered hundreds or thousands of dollars of increases say a reduction

of one percent or so.

And now these same companies are asking for rate increases of from 25%

to 74%; in addition to the massive increases they have already put

through. So with the massive input of the government we're still going

to get the shaft of much higher rates instead of a rate reduction; and

this is in addition of being on the hook for billions of dollars through

our taxes in case of a major hurricane...; coverage that formerly the

insurance companies were covering.

And we've just gone through the same thing with property taxes; which

went through the roof with the recent residential property value run-up

that we had. And Florida went up much more than most states.

So the government spent untold hours and dollars in " fixing " the

property tax problem; and after much huffing and puffing produced a

" solution " . And after the fanfare dies down it appears that the average

homeowner will receive a reduction of around $20 per month in the home

owner's property tax bill; after having watched it increase by

frequently thousands of dollars per year recently. And that will only

happen if an initiative is passed in an election early next year; which

is not too probable.

So, the government of Florida " fixed " the home owner's insurance problem

and " fixed " the home owner's property tax problem. And as is too often

the case there is no fix at all; and the strong probability exists that

the situation was made worse in each case.

So to depend upon the government to really fix anything is risky;

whether it's state government or national government. At least in my

opinion.

>

> Re: Possible Cause for Hashimoto's Hypothyroid

>

<hypothyroidism/message/32780;_ylc=X3oDMTJxcHE4cWN\

oBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMzI3ODAEc2V\

jA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTE5NTY0MDM4NQ-->

>

>

>

> Posted by: " Roni Molin " matchermaam@...

>

<mailto:matchermaam@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Possible%20Cause%20for%20Hashim\

oto%27s%20Hypothyroid>

> matchermaam <matchermaam>

>

>

> Tue Nov 20, 2007 3:08 pm (PST)

>

> You don't seem to understand my post . I want the government to

> stop the

> insurance companies from charging whatever they please, and don't

> quote current

> so called " regulation " to me because it is virtually nonexistant. They

> get whatever

> the traffic will bear, and in states (like mine) are free to refuse

> legitimate claims.

>

> Roni

>

> <res075oh@... <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net>> wrote:

> Ah; yes. Let's have the government take care of it. That should really

> fix it up great...

>

>

>

> >

> > Re: Possible Cause for Hashimoto's Hypothyroid

> >

>

<hypothyroidism/message/32768;_ylc=X3oDMTJxMm9zcDl\

wBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMzI3NjgEc2V\

jA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTE5NTU1NDQ0Nw--

>

<hypothyroidism/message/32768;_ylc=X3oDMTJxMm9zcDl\

wBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMzI3NjgEc2V\

jA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTE5NTU1NDQ0Nw-->>

> >

> >

> >

> > Posted by: " Roni Molin " matchermaam@...

> <mailto:matchermaam%40>

> > <mailto:matchermaam@...

> <mailto:matchermaam%40>?Subject=%20Re%

> 3A%20Possible%20Cause%20for%20Hashimoto%27s%20Hypothyroid>

> > matchermaam <matchermaam

> <matchermaam>>

> >

> >

> > Mon Nov 19, 2007 9:14 pm (PST)

> >

> > I have to agree that the insurance system is disgusting for doctors as

> > well as

> > patients. The government really has to step in and change things.

> > Actually, I

> > would like to see them reign in the insurance companies, instead of the

> > doctors.

> >

> > Roni

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