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In a message dated 4/11/00 4:58:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

mhorten@... writes:

<< Has anyone ever heard about EMDR? I can't remember the exact name but it

>>

Dear Mona,

EMDR is eye movement desensitization retraining(?) and there is a book you

can get on it, available probably in most bookstores. It is an attempt to

reach the limbic area of the brain, which stores trauma and does not

interface with the logical areas--hence we get " stuck " in certain patterns

that do not respond to talk therapy, etc. It works, supposedly, when the

rapid eye movements, accomplished with the aid of the therapist's fingers, or

a flashing light machine, bridge the gap between the two areas of the brain,

allowing our stored traumas to " open up " to our reasoning, thinking mind.

I went for a series of treatments this past summer to address some childhood

traumas. It did not work for me, but this doesn't mean it won't work for

others.

AntJoan

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Dear Mona,

They have info and discussion also, I think, on EMDR on the Internet.

AntJoan

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Thanks for the info. I wonder what the success rate is? I'd like to talk

someone that was treated and responded well. Thanx again. Mona

Re: Emotions

In a message dated 4/11/00 4:58:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

mhorten@... writes:

<< Has anyone ever heard about EMDR? I can't remember the exact name but

it

>>

Dear Mona,

EMDR is eye movement desensitization retraining(?) and there is a book you

can get on it, available probably in most bookstores. It is an attempt to

reach the limbic area of the brain, which stores trauma and does not

interface with the logical areas--hence we get " stuck " in certain patterns

that do not respond to talk therapy, etc. It works, supposedly, when the

rapid eye movements, accomplished with the aid of the therapist's fingers,

or

a flashing light machine, bridge the gap between the two areas of the brain,

allowing our stored traumas to " open up " to our reasoning, thinking mind.

I went for a series of treatments this past summer to address some childhood

traumas. It did not work for me, but this doesn't mean it won't work for

others.

AntJoan

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I am supposed to go through this type of therapy in my sessions with my

counselor.

I am improving daily now with talk therapy, and so are all my skin rashes,

food sensitivities etc. I still believe very strongly in the mind/body

connection.

I would like to take a poll among us and ask how many in the group have

experienced childhood trauma? I'll bet it is at least half of us...

Sheri Lynn

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I would bet you're right. I believe in the mind-body connection as well and

to that end have started seeing a hynotherapist to help me in healing those

parts that haven't been healed.

Lynn

Re: Emotions

I am supposed to go through this type of therapy in my sessions with my

counselor.

I am improving daily now with talk therapy, and so are all my skin rashes,

food sensitivities etc. I still believe very strongly in the mind/body

connection.

I would like to take a poll among us and ask how many in the group have

experienced childhood trauma? I'll bet it is at least half of us...

Sheri Lynn

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Hi Sheri Lynn -

This childhood trauma poll sounds like an interesting idea. Not sure

if you were asking for the actual stories or not. I'm also not sure

whether this would be considered childhood trauma, but for what it's

worth:

When I was a toddler (weird, but I can remember small blips of this

period) my parents had to devote most of their time to my younger

brother who was not expected to live because of a serious heart

defect

he was born with. My parents would not opt for open heart surgery

because it was still so very risky in the early 50's, especially for

an infant. It was their heartbreaking choice to bring him home and

care for him the best they could.

I think I may have resented feeling " left out " even tho I'm certain

my

wonderful parents did all they could for me as well. He needed

constant attention because he was extremely weak, and couldn't even

sit up on his own at 18 mos of age. He died at home when he was 22

months.

Every family member suffered tremendously, but I was too young to

understand what was really going on. I thought for years that I had

helped to kill him because I resented him and of all the attention he

seemed to be getting.

However, I understand it now and have learned to deal with it.

Hope this helps some -

Best wishes to all,

Chris

> I am supposed to go through this type of therapy in my sessions

with my

> counselor.

> I am improving daily now with talk therapy, and so are all my skin

rashes,

> food sensitivities etc. I still believe very strongly in the

mind/body

> connection.

>

> I would like to take a poll among us and ask how many in the group

have

> experienced childhood trauma? I'll bet it is at least half of us...

>

> Sheri Lynn

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Sheri,

In answer to your poll, the answer is yes....if you want more particulars

let me know I can provide them. It would be interesting to see the results

of this poll.

Thanks,

Carolann

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Dear Sheri Lynn,

As I indicated earlier, I experienced childhood trauma (count me as a

definite " yes " !).

AntJoan

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Dear Shari Lynn,

Yes, count me in as Hypo/Childhood trauma.

J in VT

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Maybe it is not so much what has happened to us as children, but how we

perceived the disruption, internalized it, and later in life, acted out the

problem by becoming ill ourselves like the child that still needs the

attention to fill the inner void. The mind never forgets and can carry

excess baggage that can sabotage us as adults which makes more stress and

results in illness...I am convinced the rat story posted has a lot to tell

us, if we have a strong mental foundation, the immune system should be better

able to defend us. I think therapy along with all the other good things we

all must do can accelerate the healing process. Sheri Lynn

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Carolann,

Thank for responding, I would ask if your emotional disruption began in

childhood?

Sheri Lynn

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Childhood trauma? hmmmm, don't think I had anything out of the ordinary...

how young are you talking about?

Chris

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As young as you can remember and usually never forget it either...Sheri Lynn

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Yes, that would count! Childhood is meant to be carefree, fun, filled with

happy warm memories, it is not suppose to be a stressful event in the least.

I think you have some deep memories you need to bring out of hiding, and see

if you can heal; become healthier. I know it is working for me. Sheri Lynn

P.S. Get the book " Toxic Parents " see if you can identify and Bradshaw's

book, " Home Coming. "

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What is entire childhood was stressful? Does that count as tramatic

experience?

Re: Emotions

As young as you can remember and usually never forget it either...Sheri Lynn

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I work with people who come to clinic who are ugly-yeh I know physical ugliness

when I see it-and I talk to them to see if they are mentally well off-often they

are

and I am surprised but pleasantly surprised.

The philosophy I developed after being told as an adolescent that people get

what

is coming to them and these events are karma is this: It takes great courage to

live in this world where even the family members will ambush and betray on a

daily basis and call that a ways to the means of building confidence and self-

defense. It takes great courage to be beaten up and face others who are judging

you who don't know you weren't asking for it. It takes great courage to choose

to

come into this world to play a part of victim and watch the world sneer at you.

It takes great courage to have Graves, a disease that is isolating because no

one

can see your heart racing and breathlessness. I actually imagine the folks I see

as great generals and heros/heroins of an ancient era with great values and

courage who have come to this society to play the role of being looked down upon

and forgotten. It takes greater courage to be humbled after greatness.

Swan

On 13 Apr 00, at 13:49, Horten, Mona wrote:

What is entire childhood was stressful? Does that count as tramatic

experience?

Re: Emotions

As young as you can remember and usually never forget it either...Sheri Lynn

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I missd something?! What poll? I want to participate.

--kathleen

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Just asking how many of us have experienced childhood trauma...many have in

this group and have thyroid problems. Sheri Lynn

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> This childhood trauma poll sounds like an interesting idea.

You mean like growing up with a single mother before single mothers existed?

Being beaten so often your older sister had to hide you in the closet until your

mother calmed down? How about running with a street gang for four years?

Gee, and I thought I was one of the lucky ones..... ;-)

Me.

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It does not require many words to speak the truth.

- Chief ph

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So sad, I am afraid you would qualify. I think we internalize our pain and

get sick physically. I think a good counselor can really help. Sheri Lynn

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Hi, I took a personality test yesterday at the career education class in order

to help

me focus on a career. It was right on the mark. I do NEED quiet when I work. I

need to

work in a group of respectful/respected individuals. And I do become physically

ill

when I am criticized too often and in fact, I respond to approval in a positive

way.

Interestingly, I have never-NEVER-been criticized the way I was at the job I

became

unfunctional at with Graves. Employers, even the ones who thought I was 'odd'

thought

I was very productive, assertive, and eager was the best part of my personality.

My

heart actually wells up to my throat as I think of her image. So I won't. I am

sensitive in

how others are treated and I definitely expect respect toward me whether someone

is

like me or not. And I think having several different types of people is a good

thing.

Swan

On 18 Apr 00, at 20:36, bpicker2@... wrote:

So sad, I am afraid you would qualify. I think we internalize our pain and

get sick physically. I think a good counselor can really help. Sheri Lynn

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" SELF " is the first step in becoming stronger, and you not only need to be

respected, it becomes the first requirement in any ongoing relationship. You

cannot fix them, they can only repay you through their deeds if they are

humble enough to do so...

Sheri Lynn

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INclude me in childhood trauma poll.

Deb

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You can include me, also. I think I could write a three inch novel!

debspiritwalker@... wrote:

> INclude me in childhood trauma poll.

> Deb

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please include me as well...I guess all of our stories might make for an

interesting novel.

Thanks,

Carolann