What are we really here for?

[Guest guest]

Hello;

I am new to this post but I have something I need to say;

I have noticed that there seems to be two trains of thought on this e-mail

list. One, is that the liver flush, done properly with colonics, and done

properly, will help people really recover and be able to move on with their

lives. These testimonials are given by people that have lived through this

terrible disease and have finally gotten some hope for the rest of their

lives. I have not done a liver flush yet but I am looking forward to the

hope that is in the future.

Another train of thought is by someone who is trying to sell products to

those of us who are suffering. I bought into it and tried some inulin which

didn't do anything for me. I get confused when this person is constantly

nay saying the liver flush protocal that really works and keeps getting onto

the glutathiane stuff and all that cold pressed whey stuff.

In the 12 step groups I am in, which I know that this one is not, they have

a tradition that they incorporate in the groups which is that the group has

" no other affiliation " , such as someone constantly pushing products to the

rest of the group. I wish we could follow that tradition here. I don't

personally have a problem with the person that is doing this. He is trying

to make a living, but for the good of the group, I wish we could have a rule

like that. That yes, you can add posts of your own personal experience, but

don't try and push your products and try and make us feel guilty for not

buying certain ones. I just had to get that off my chest. I have suffered

too long and hard with disease to go for more products that just don't do

much, or just prolong the agony. Thanks for letting me share.

glutathione

> Quotes from this Long String...

>

> " If we reduce toxin load there will be much less glutathione

> depletion and thus better recovery. " " Glutathione is part of that

> equation. "

>

>

>

> This really makes the case for cleansing the colon &

> liver/gallbladder systems.

>

> The liver is largely responsible for synthesizing the three amino

> acids (referred to as Glutathione precursors glycine, glutamate and

> cystine) eats a diet high in fresh fruits and vegetables and freshly

> prepared meats, you should get be getting enough glutamate and

> glycine. But cystine comes mostly from eggs, milk and cheese.

>

> When eggs, milk and cheese are cooked or processed, the heat breaks

> down the dipeptides of cystine to cysteine. While still a valuable

> amino acid, it can no longer feed your glutathione levels. If you can

> get a sufficient supply of cystine (which determines the rate at

> which you can make glutathione), your arsenal is well-stocked. So if

> you think you are eating foods that may not have sufficient amount of

> all three amino acids it is fairly simple and easy to supplement one

> without a great deal of expense or exclusive/exotic product purchase.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

People should never feel bad for expressing their opinion. I think

that doing that was part of why I got sick in the first place,

suppressed emotions.

Good luck with the flush preparations. I hope it works as well for

you as it did for me. Please consider looking at books like " the

amazing liver cleanse " and " key to health and rejuvenation " just

doing the flush itself is great, but there is so much more you can

also do for yourself without taking drugs or supps.

g

> Hello;

> I am new to this post but I have something I need to say;

> I have noticed that there seems to be two trains of thought on this

e-mail

> list. One, is that the liver flush, done properly with colonics,

and done

> properly, will help people really recover and be able to move on

with their

> lives. These testimonials are given by people that have lived

through this

> terrible disease and have finally gotten some hope for the rest of their

> lives. I have not done a liver flush yet but I am looking forward

to the

> hope that is in the future.

>

> Another train of thought is by someone who is trying to sell products to

> those of us who are suffering. I bought into it and tried some

inulin which

> didn't do anything for me. I get confused when this person is

constantly

> nay saying the liver flush protocal that really works and keeps

getting onto

> the glutathiane stuff and all that cold pressed whey stuff.

>

> In the 12 step groups I am in, which I know that this one is not,

they have

> a tradition that they incorporate in the groups which is that the

group has

> " no other affiliation " , such as someone constantly pushing products

to the

> rest of the group. I wish we could follow that tradition here. I don't

> personally have a problem with the person that is doing this. He is

trying

> to make a living, but for the good of the group, I wish we could

have a rule

> like that. That yes, you can add posts of your own personal

experience, but

> don't try and push your products and try and make us feel guilty for not

> buying certain ones. I just had to get that off my chest. I have

suffered

> too long and hard with disease to go for more products that just

don't do

> much, or just prolong the agony. Thanks for letting me share.

>

>

> glutathione

>

>

> > Quotes from this Long String...

> >

> > " If we reduce toxin load there will be much less glutathione

> > depletion and thus better recovery. " " Glutathione is part of that

> > equation. "

> >

> >

> >

> > This really makes the case for cleansing the colon &

> > liver/gallbladder systems.

> >

> > The liver is largely responsible for synthesizing the three amino

> > acids (referred to as Glutathione precursors glycine, glutamate and

> > cystine) eats a diet high in fresh fruits and vegetables and freshly

> > prepared meats, you should get be getting enough glutamate and

> > glycine. But cystine comes mostly from eggs, milk and cheese.

> >

> > When eggs, milk and cheese are cooked or processed, the heat breaks

> > down the dipeptides of cystine to cysteine. While still a valuable

> > amino acid, it can no longer feed your glutathione levels. If you can

> > get a sufficient supply of cystine (which determines the rate at

> > which you can make glutathione), your arsenal is well-stocked. So if

> > you think you are eating foods that may not have sufficient amount of

> > all three amino acids it is fairly simple and easy to supplement one

> > without a great deal of expense or exclusive/exotic product purchase.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi everyone

well after a seven month hiatus I have decided to once again check out this group. Must say you all seem like a much nicer, and less hostile, crowd! (I have been lurking!)

I so agree with you Rick.....we need a group with a moderator. Did all those who were in the group last year leave due to good health, or they were tired of the bickering. For me it was the bickering and outright hostility. So if you want to set up a new group of positive, seekers of health, count me in!

Oh and Rick, Congratulations.....I am so proud of you. I remember what state you were in and you seem so much happier and healthier now. Way to go!

Me, I am still fighting the big fight, but now have a major complication......pregnancy. All these herbs are out the window for me.

Liver flushing....well after searching curzone's forum many have tried it, but not during the first trimester. so I am stuck. I would love to cleanse, but I am afraid to try, and really afraid to upset my already upset body any more. I will have to see in a few months of I can pick up the nerve to try it then....

Has any one here had any success while pregnant? If so Please let me know..

Hanida

[Guest guest]

> Hello;

> I am new to this post but I have something I need to say;

> I have noticed that there seems to be two trains of thought on this

e-mail

> list. One, is that the liver flush, done properly with colonics,

and done

> properly, will help people really recover and be able to move on

with their

> lives. These testimonials are given by people that have lived

through this

> terrible disease and have finally gotten some hope for the rest of

their

> lives. I have not done a liver flush yet but I am looking forward

to the

> hope that is in the future.

>

> Another train of thought is by someone who is trying to sell

products to

> those of us who are suffering. I bought into it and tried some

inulin which

> didn't do anything for me. I get confused when this person is

constantly

> nay saying the liver flush protocal that really works and keeps

getting onto

> the glutathiane stuff and all that cold pressed whey stuff.

I'm so glad that you said that. Do you accept big hugs?

>

> In the 12 step groups I am in, which I know that this one is not,

they have

> a tradition that they incorporate in the groups which is that the

group has

> " no other affiliation " , such as someone constantly pushing products

to the

> rest of the group. I wish we could follow that tradition here. I

don't

> personally have a problem with the person that is doing this. He

is trying

> to make a living, but for the good of the group, I wish we could

have a rule

> like that. That yes, you can add posts of your own personal

experience, but

> don't try and push your products and try and make us feel guilty

for not

> buying certain ones. I just had to get that off my chest. I have

suffered

> too long and hard with disease to go for more products that just

don't do

> much, or just prolong the agony. Thanks for letting me share.

I think a lot of us in here share your beliefs, I know I do.

That was very well said too!

Rick

[Guest guest]

,

You make an excellent point. I am so sorry you tried a product that

didn't work. I have been there SO MANY TIMES!!!! It's why I don't

put the money out anymore, unless it's directed by my Naturopath...

and I can't even afford here anymore. lol.

Hugs & wishes for healthy living.

> > Hello;

> > I am new to this post but I have something I need to say;

> > I have noticed that there seems to be two trains of thought on

this

> e-mail

> > list. One, is that the liver flush, done properly with colonics,

> and done

> > properly, will help people really recover and be able to move on

> with their

> > lives. These testimonials are given by people that have lived

> through this

> > terrible disease and have finally gotten some hope for the rest

of

> their

> > lives. I have not done a liver flush yet but I am looking

forward

> to the

> > hope that is in the future.

> >

> > Another train of thought is by someone who is trying to sell

> products to

> > those of us who are suffering. I bought into it and tried some

> inulin which

> > didn't do anything for me. I get confused when this person is

> constantly

> > nay saying the liver flush protocal that really works and keeps

> getting onto

> > the glutathiane stuff and all that cold pressed whey stuff.

>

>

>

>

> I'm so glad that you said that. Do you accept big hugs?

>

>

>

>

> >

> > In the 12 step groups I am in, which I know that this one is not,

> they have

> > a tradition that they incorporate in the groups which is that the

> group has

> > " no other affiliation " , such as someone constantly pushing

products

> to the

> > rest of the group. I wish we could follow that tradition here.

I

> don't

> > personally have a problem with the person that is doing this. He

> is trying

> > to make a living, but for the good of the group, I wish we could

> have a rule

> > like that. That yes, you can add posts of your own personal

> experience, but

> > don't try and push your products and try and make us feel guilty

> for not

> > buying certain ones. I just had to get that off my chest. I

have

> suffered

> > too long and hard with disease to go for more products that just

> don't do

> > much, or just prolong the agony. Thanks for letting me share.

>

>

>

>

> I think a lot of us in here share your beliefs, I know I do.

>

> That was very well said too!

>

>

> Rick

[Guest guest]

,

I think part of the problem is this group

has no moderator. This same person used to be part of the CFSexperimental

group but no longer is and I’m not sure why. That group does

have a moderator, but I’m not sure if that has anything to do with it or

not. That is a very large group just like this one so I’m not

sure why he left.

What I really, really do not understand is

why Duncan doesn’t delve more into what healed G and slickrick and

Deborah. If I truly wanted to heal people I know I would be

right on that.

There’s no need to feel guilty about

buying certain products. When I first got sick, I would hear

about how something helped someone and would literally grab my coat and go to

the healthfood store and buy some. Now I buy almost nothing –

just digestive enzymes and HCL and hope I won’t need those much longer

either. And then the odd little thing to help out – right now

I’m taking chanca piedra.

I may get some flack for saying this but

it wouldn’t bother me if the supplement industry dried up, as long as no

one was hurt of course, with the exception that I do need my digestive enzymes

and HCL for now. : )

Re: What

are we really here for?

> Hello;

> I am new to this post but I have something I

need to say;

> I have noticed that there seems to be two

trains of thought on this

e-mail

> list. One, is that the liver flush,

done properly with colonics,

and done

> properly, will help people really recover and

be able to move on

with their

> lives. These testimonials are given by

people that have lived

through this

> terrible disease and have finally gotten some

hope for the rest of

their

> lives. I have not done a liver flush

yet but I am looking forward

to the

> hope that is in the future.

>

> Another train of thought is by someone who is

trying to sell

products to

> those of us who are suffering. I bought

into it and tried some

inulin which

> didn't do anything for me. I get

confused when this person is

constantly

> nay saying the liver flush protocal that

really works and keeps

getting onto

> the glutathiane stuff and all that cold

pressed whey stuff.

I'm so glad that you said that. Do you accept big

hugs?

>

> In the 12 step groups I am in, which I know

that this one is not,

they have

> a tradition that they incorporate in the

groups which is that the

group has

> " no other affiliation " , such as

someone constantly pushing products

to the

> rest of the group. I wish we could

follow that tradition here. I

don't

> personally have a problem with the person

that is doing this. He

is trying

> to make a living, but for the good of the

group, I wish we could

have a rule

> like that. That yes, you can add posts of

your own personal

experience, but

> don't try and push your products and try and

make us feel guilty

for not

> buying certain ones. I just had to get

that off my chest. I have

suffered

> too long and hard with disease to go for more

products that just

don't do

> much, or just prolong the agony. Thanks

for letting me share.

I think a lot of us in here share your beliefs, I

know I do.

That was very well said too!

Rick

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[Guest guest]

,

AMEN!

Hello;

I am new to this post but I have something I need to say;

I have noticed that there seems to be two trains of thought on this e-mail

list. One, is that the liver flush, done properly with colonics, and done

properly, will help people really recover and be able to move on with their

lives. These testimonials are given by people that have lived through this

terrible disease and have finally gotten some hope for the rest of their

lives. I have not done a liver flush yet but I am looking forward to the

hope that is in the future.

Another train of thought is by someone who is trying to sell products to

those of us who are suffering. I bought into it and tried some inulin which

didn't do anything for me. I get confused when this person is constantly

nay saying the liver flush protocal that really works and keeps getting onto

the glutathiane stuff and all that cold pressed whey stuff.

In the 12 step groups I am in, which I know that this one is not, they have

a tradition that they incorporate in the groups which is that the group has

" no other affiliation " , such as someone constantly pushing products to the

rest of the group. I wish we could follow that tradition here. I don't

personally have a problem with the person that is doing this. He is trying

to make a living, but for the good of the group, I wish we could have a rule

like that. That yes, you can add posts of your own personal experience, but

don't try and push your products and try and make us feel guilty for not

buying certain ones. I just had to get that off my chest. I have suffered

too long and hard with disease to go for more products that just don't do

much, or just prolong the agony. Thanks for letting me share.

[Guest guest]

Thanks everyone, who posted back. I wish we had a group moderator on this

e-list, that could make sure that the info posted is not profit motivated.

Any ideas?

RE: What are we really here for?

> ,

> AMEN!

>

>

> Hello;

> I am new to this post but I have something I need to say;

> I have noticed that there seems to be two trains of thought on this e-mail

> list. One, is that the liver flush, done properly with colonics, and done

> properly, will help people really recover and be able to move on with

their

> lives. These testimonials are given by people that have lived through

this

> terrible disease and have finally gotten some hope for the rest of their

> lives. I have not done a liver flush yet but I am looking forward to the

> hope that is in the future.

>

> Another train of thought is by someone who is trying to sell products to

> those of us who are suffering. I bought into it and tried some inulin

which

> didn't do anything for me. I get confused when this person is constantly

> nay saying the liver flush protocal that really works and keeps getting

onto

> the glutathiane stuff and all that cold pressed whey stuff.

>

> In the 12 step groups I am in, which I know that this one is not, they

have

> a tradition that they incorporate in the groups which is that the group

has

> " no other affiliation " , such as someone constantly pushing products to the

> rest of the group. I wish we could follow that tradition here. I don't

> personally have a problem with the person that is doing this. He is

trying

> to make a living, but for the good of the group, I wish we could have a

rule

> like that. That yes, you can add posts of your own personal experience,

but

> don't try and push your products and try and make us feel guilty for not

> buying certain ones. I just had to get that off my chest. I have

suffered

> too long and hard with disease to go for more products that just don't do

> much, or just prolong the agony. Thanks for letting me share.

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I guess we could ask a moderator of another

group.

We’d also need some volunteers. : )

Another option would be for someone to

start another group and moderate it and whoever wanted to join could.

Re: What

are we really here for?

·

Thanks everyone, who posted back. I wish we had

a group moderator on this

e-list, that could make sure that the info posted

is not profit motivated.

Any ideas?

is subject to the Terms of

Service.

[Guest guest]

The people at curezone started this group as well as many others. The

problem is that curezone is staffed completely by volunteers, and

they get stretched pretty thin.

We could start our own group, with a couple of different moderators.

Who's in?

Rick

> Thanks everyone, who posted back. I wish we had a group moderator

on this

> e-list, that could make sure that the info posted is not profit

motivated.

> Any ideas?

>

[Guest guest]

It's good to see you back!!!!

For those that weren't here then, Handida always went out of her way

to help others. She's one of the reasons I was brave enough to

finally try enemas. That was a big step for me. I can be a big baby.

I would ask s about being pregnant. If you don't feel

comfortable with it, definately don't do it.

I'm glad that you're back.

Rick

> Hi everyone

> well after a seven month hiatus I have decided to once again check

out this

> group. Must say you all seem like a much nicer, and less hostile,

crowd! (I

> have been lurking!)

> I so agree with you Rick.....we need a group with a moderator. Did

all those

> who were in the group last year leave due to good health, or they

were tired

> of the bickering. For me it was the bickering and outright

hostility. So if

> you want to set up a new group of positive, seekers of health,

count me in!

> Oh and Rick, Congratulations.....I am so proud of you. I remember

what state

> you were in and you seem so much happier and healthier now. Way to

go!

> Me, I am still fighting the big fight, but now have a major

> complication......pregnancy. All these herbs are out the window

for me.

> Liver flushing....well after searching curzone's forum many have

tried it,

> but not during the first trimester. so I am stuck. I would love

to cleanse,

> but I am afraid to try, and really afraid to upset my already upset

body any

> more. I will have to see in a few months of I can pick up the

nerve to try it

> then....

> Has any one here had any success while pregnant? If so Please let

me know..

>

> Hanida

[Guest guest]

Hi !

I agree with your post here... I have never done

anything that Duncan has proposed and I have never

done a colonic or the s Moritz liver cleanse. I

am following the directions of my naturopath and have

rid myself of yeast by finding out what foods my body

had become sensitive to and removing all " dead " foods

from my diet. I eat as much raw fruits and veggies as

I can with very little cooked meat. I have removed all

refined white sugar, white flour and white rice. The

more crap I remove, the better I feel eating live

foods. I do take acidophilus pro/prebiotics, a natural

vit/min suppliment, and cod liver oil each day. I also

juice wheatgrass and sometimes go for a day just

drinking fresh juice as a liver cleanse. So all of us

have our way of feeling better. Some methods work for

some people, some methods work for others. I may try

the liver cleanse method since it is relatively cheap

and I think it would compliment a longer term juice

fast (I will be trying this next month). Plus the

books are much cheaper than suppliments. I already

bought them online in PDF format for about 5bucks.

Lord knows I've spent much more money on other things!

So really it is up to you which route you want to

choose. I find I have changed a great deal since all

of this and am trying to find a more natural way of

living. Just listen to your body and mind and decide

what is best for you!

*8-)

--- <lisa-powell@...> wrote:

> Hello;

> I am new to this post but I have something I need to

> say;

> I have noticed that there seems to be two trains of

> thought on this e-mail

> list. One, is that the liver flush, done properly

> with colonics, and done

> properly, will help people really recover and be

> able to move on with their

> lives. These testimonials are given by people that

> have lived through this

> terrible disease and have finally gotten some hope

> for the rest of their

> lives. I have not done a liver flush yet but I am

> looking forward to the

> hope that is in the future.

>

> Another train of thought is by someone who is trying

> to sell products to

> those of us who are suffering. I bought into it and

> tried some inulin which

> didn't do anything for me. I get confused when this

> person is constantly

> nay saying the liver flush protocal that really

> works and keeps getting onto

> the glutathiane stuff and all that cold pressed whey

> stuff.

>

> In the 12 step groups I am in, which I know that

> this one is not, they have

> a tradition that they incorporate in the groups

> which is that the group has

> " no other affiliation " , such as someone constantly

> pushing products to the

> rest of the group. I wish we could follow that

> tradition here. I don't

> personally have a problem with the person that is

> doing this. He is trying

> to make a living, but for the good of the group, I

> wish we could have a rule

> like that. That yes, you can add posts of your own

> personal experience, but

> don't try and push your products and try and make us

> feel guilty for not

> buying certain ones. I just had to get that off my

> chest. I have suffered

> too long and hard with disease to go for more

> products that just don't do

> much, or just prolong the agony. Thanks for letting

> me share.

>

>

> glutathione

>

>

> > Quotes from this Long String...

> >

> > " If we reduce toxin load there will be much less

> glutathione

> > depletion and thus better recovery. " " Glutathione

> is part of that

> > equation. "

> >

> >

> >

> > This really makes the case for cleansing the colon

> &

> > liver/gallbladder systems.

> >

> > The liver is largely responsible for synthesizing

> the three amino

> > acids (referred to as Glutathione precursors

> glycine, glutamate and

> > cystine) eats a diet high in fresh fruits and

> vegetables and freshly

> > prepared meats, you should get be getting enough

> glutamate and

> > glycine. But cystine comes mostly from eggs, milk

> and cheese.

> >

> > When eggs, milk and cheese are cooked or

> processed, the heat breaks

> > down the dipeptides of cystine to cysteine. While

> still a valuable

> > amino acid, it can no longer feed your glutathione

> levels. If you can

> > get a sufficient supply of cystine (which

> determines the rate at

> > which you can make glutathione), your arsenal is

> well-stocked. So if

> > you think you are eating foods that may not have

> sufficient amount of

> > all three amino acids it is fairly simple and easy

> to supplement one

> > without a great deal of expense or

> exclusive/exotic product purchase.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Have to throw my 2 cents in.

Duncan does not push his products, if he did he would mention them in every post, which he doesn't. He does let you know that you can get items from him. He is a very knowledgable practicing nutritionist and has cleared up many misconceptions.

Also, those of us who no longer have any health insurance can't go to naturopaths, holistic doctors, etc., so Duncan's information is invaluable.

I personally believe that if the liver flushes work for you, that's great. But you have to remember that they simply do not work for everyone. We don't all have the exact same thing, so different things work for different people.

If you've even been part of a 12-step group, the most basic rule is: take what information you want and leave the rest. Period.

The person who posted that if you don't want to read posts from someone, you can block their posts.

Chris

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/15/04 8:52:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, slickrick605@... writes:

I would ask s about being pregnant. If you don't feel

comfortable with it, definately don't do it.

Thanks Rick!

I have done the salt water flush which is on Curezone, and my liver feels much better. I think that will tide me over until the second trimester and then I will ask s. Others have done it with no problems, except for the Epsom salt part and they have posted their results.

So there is hope!

I have to get myself into some form of shape for July, when I go to Europe, and I too will be indulging in cheese! I can't wait....now you have me thinking about cheese......

Hanida

[Guest guest]

the easiest way of getting rid of profit motivated posts is to ban their

senders in your e-mail client (Mozilla, Outlook etc)

bk

wrote:

> Thanks everyone, who posted back. I wish we had a group moderator on this

> e-list, that could make sure that the info posted is not profit motivated.

> Any ideas?

> RE: What are we really here for?

>

[Guest guest]

Chirs

and everyone,

Just a reminder – the liver

flushes are just a part of what many of us are doing as part of s Moritz protocol.

It is what we talk about most , but other equially important factors are :

when to eat

when to sleep

what to eat

colonics

kidney cleanses

other things that are mentioned

on his forum on www.curezone.com

I’m not even sure if the liver

flushes on their own would be enough, so maybe that is, as you say, why they don’t

work for everyone. I know that for myself, if I only liver flushed,

without working on my digestion, blood/lymph would continuously be clogged from

indigestion (I can feel my lymph glands swell when I don’t digest a meal)

and I would not get well. I believe it is the combination that has

allowed me to go back to work full-time.

Re: What

are we really here for?

Have to throw my 2 cents in.

Duncan does not push his products, if he did he would mention them in every

post, which he doesn't. He does let you know that you can get items from him.

He is a very knowledgable practicing nutritionist and has cleared up many

misconceptions.

Also, those of us who no longer have any health insurance can't go to

naturopaths, holistic doctors, etc., so Duncan's information is invaluable.

I personally believe that if the liver flushes work for you, that's great. But

you have to remember that they simply do not work for everyone. We don't all

have the exact same thing, so different things work for different people.

If you've even been part of a 12-step group, the most basic rule is: take what

information you want and leave the rest. Period.

The person who posted that if you don't want to read posts from someone, you

can block their posts.

Chris

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I agree with but I'm glad that this topic was brought up.

Most support groups do not allow members to advertise their

products, and if a majority wishes, we could adopt this as a rule

for our group. Unless I've missed something, currently there is no

such rule. Moreover, I find Duncan's posts to be most informative

and based on his extensive experience. His website is also

amazing. We do need to resolve this issue, as I find the hostility

of some members toward Duncan to detract from the supportive nature

of the group. I particularly thought it was inappropriate for

someone to refer to Duncan's " greed. " If Duncan didn't believe he

was helping people, I don't think he would be making his living this

way.

It seems to me there are four options: (1) Ban those with products

to sell from the group, since their recommendations might not be

objective. (2) Allow sellers to be members but without mentioning

products to sell. (3) Allow sellers to make mention of their

products but with full disclosure -- a note that they are a

supplement dealer under their name with every post. (4) Leave the

sellers alone and trust group members to decide whether to take or

leave their advice. I would prefer 2, 3, or 4 but NOT the current

situation. The sniping is really detracting from the group spirit.

Best,

> Have to throw my 2 cents in.

>

> Duncan does not push his products, if he did he would mention them

in every

> post, which he doesn't. He does let you know that you can get

items from him.

> He is a very knowledgable practicing nutritionist and has cleared

up many

> misconceptions.

>

> Also, those of us who no longer have any health insurance can't go

to

> naturopaths, holistic doctors, etc., so Duncan's information is

invaluable.

>

> I personally believe that if the liver flushes work for you,

that's great.

> But you have to remember that they simply do not work for

everyone. We don't all

> have the exact same thing, so different things work for different

people.

>

> If you've even been part of a 12-step group, the most basic rule

is: take

> what information you want and leave the rest. Period.

>

> The person who posted that if you don't want to read posts from

someone, you

> can block their posts.

>

> Chris

[Guest guest]

> Another train of thought is by someone who is trying to sell products

> to those of us who are suffering. I bought into it and tried some

> inulin which didn't do anything for me. I get confused when this

> person is constantly nay saying the liver flush protocal that really

> works and keeps getting onto the glutathiane stuff and all that cold

> pressed whey stuff.

>

OK, , I don't know what inulin you used, the dose or for how long

you took it, so i can't offer a comment on that, but I'll help you

get up to speed on the information.... we're here to progress both in

knowledge and in health, and depending on the weak link(s) in your

current physiology, in a wellness regime several things may need to

be taken into account... our present discussions have touched on

these facets of health:

Glutathione and other antioxidants quench free radicals and

glutathione is the organs' and tissues' main support in

detoxification as well.

The inulin is required in order to correct bowel bacteria, at least

until inulin-containing foods can do the job on their own.

Liver flushes are necessary in a lot of people as part of a cleansing

program to reduce toxin load on the organs, especially the liver. But

other facets of cleansing are also important, for example getting the

toxin load out of the fatty tissues and such.

But these three things that confuse you are really only the start of

it...

From a wholistic viewpoint you would still look at the fact that as

Nobel laureate Linus ing stated 'every disease and ailment is

linked to a mineral deficiency'.

You'd look at your mineral intake; it's pretty hard to be healthy

when you're malnourished. You'd think about pH (acidity) and its link

to incorrect mineral levels, toxin load and poor diet.

You'd consider balancing/improving HGH and other hormone levels to

normal youthful values, as a few on this list are doing.

Consider too that sources of pollution besides that from bad diet and

environmental toxins include electromagnetic interference, which

reduces immune system responses and actually has a cancer link on its

own.

The list of considerations is much longer than that, and they all

relate in some way to the overall level of disease you'll experience,

including susceptability to candida. We've touched on wholistic

treatments/concerns/conditions that predispos a person to disease,

candida particularly, and in my view this is really what it's all

about; I'm sure several of the more discerning contributors to this

list will understand this point exactly.

So, the best advice I have for the confused is to be inquisitive and

learn what you can, and pass it on to the population at large,

because if we lose our natural right to use the Internet to

promulgate health information, as is being proposed in addition to

limiting our access to supplements and vitamins, we as a population

won't have the luxury of learning how to maintain good health except

from people like us.

I think that's what we're really here for - wellness - as the bigger

picture. If you don't want to read about wholistic viewpoints to

health, you can limit your knowledge by simply deleting it.

regards,

Duncan Crow

[Guest guest]

Well said .

I've been on this forum for months and every once in awhile there seems to

be this flurry of feathers as someone attacks Duncan. I agree with you that

Duncan's knowledge has been very helpful - it is quite obvious that he is in

the profession he is in because he cares - he genuinely wants to help people

get better. And yes, he has products to sell but he backs those products up

with scientific evidence. And no one is under any obligation to purchase

from him - he's anything but pushy. The products he sells can also be

purchased elsewhere.

I like your Option #4. Can we just get back to helping one another and stop

the petty stuff. This is such a wonderful forum for learning and I'd hate

to see it deteriorate.

Re: What are we really here for?

> I agree with but I'm glad that this topic was brought up.

> Most support groups do not allow members to advertise their

> products, and if a majority wishes, we could adopt this as a rule

> for our group. Unless I've missed something, currently there is no

> such rule. Moreover, I find Duncan's posts to be most informative

> and based on his extensive experience. His website is also

> amazing. We do need to resolve this issue, as I find the hostility

> of some members toward Duncan to detract from the supportive nature

> of the group. I particularly thought it was inappropriate for

> someone to refer to Duncan's " greed. " If Duncan didn't believe he

> was helping people, I don't think he would be making his living this

> way.

>

> It seems to me there are four options: (1) Ban those with products

> to sell from the group, since their recommendations might not be

> objective. (2) Allow sellers to be members but without mentioning

> products to sell. (3) Allow sellers to make mention of their

> products but with full disclosure -- a note that they are a

> supplement dealer under their name with every post. (4) Leave the

> sellers alone and trust group members to decide whether to take or

> leave their advice. I would prefer 2, 3, or 4 but NOT the current

> situation. The sniping is really detracting from the group spirit.

>

> Best,

>

>

>

> > Have to throw my 2 cents in.

> >

> > Duncan does not push his products, if he did he would mention them

> in every

> > post, which he doesn't. He does let you know that you can get

> items from him.

> > He is a very knowledgable practicing nutritionist and has cleared

> up many

> > misconceptions.

> >

> > Also, those of us who no longer have any health insurance can't go

> to

> > naturopaths, holistic doctors, etc., so Duncan's information is

> invaluable.

> >

> > I personally believe that if the liver flushes work for you,

> that's great.

> > But you have to remember that they simply do not work for

> everyone. We don't all

> > have the exact same thing, so different things work for different

> people.

> >

> > If you've even been part of a 12-step group, the most basic rule

> is: take

> > what information you want and leave the rest. Period.

> >

> > The person who posted that if you don't want to read posts from

> someone, you

> > can block their posts.

> >

> > Chris

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> Just a reminder - the liver flushes are just a part of what many of

> us are doing as part of s Moritz protocol. It is what we

> talk about most , but other equially important factors are :

>

>

>

> a. when to eat

> b. when to sleep

> c. what to eat

> d. colonics

> e. kidney cleanses

> f. other things that are mentioned on his forum on www.curezone.com

> <http://www.curezone.com/>

>

The third on the list has been discussed here up to a point, in terms

of what NOT to eat. The interesting concepts about what to eat, when

to eat, and when to sleep are explained more fully in Brad King's

book " Fat Wars " which, unlike its name is really a primer on

controlling the body's healing processes and metabolic rate.

I summarize his book in four " Fat Wars " articles posted on:

http://zeek.ca/4u/topics.php?op=viewtopic & topic=9

Brad is a clinical nutritionist who trains olympic athletes and fat

peopla alike; he is a very sough-after speaker in North America, and

the author of several books.

I am impressed with his complimentary approaches, which include

detox, HGH balance, and the metabolic control rather than starvation

diet approach to losing weight. He explains the reason for using high-

alpha whey (cold-processed) and uses it AND SomaLife gHP to increase

HGH to youthful values to speed healing and regeneration of organs

tissues and bones.

www.fatwars.com

regards,

Duncan Crow

[Guest guest]

The most important part of the " moritz prototcal " for a lack of a

better word, is how he explains in simple terms the cause and effect.

he takes the mystery out of recovering health. he empowers the reader

rather than making them feel like you need science background to

figure something out. because the goal is simple, teach you to heal

yourself.

Anytime I read posts that are supposedly " helpful " but are vague and

filled with alot of jingo, jargon and unecessarily complex verbiage,

it sends a red flag to me. its not necessary, why do it?

> > Just a reminder - the liver flushes are just a part of what many of

> > us are doing as part of s Moritz protocol. It is what we

> > talk about most , but other equially important factors are :

> >

> >

> >

> > a. when to eat

> > b. when to sleep

> > c. what to eat

> > d. colonics

> > e. kidney cleanses

> > f. other things that are mentioned on his forum on www.curezone.com

> > <http://www.curezone.com/>

> >

>

> The third on the list has been discussed here up to a point, in terms

> of what NOT to eat. The interesting concepts about what to eat, when

> to eat, and when to sleep are explained more fully in Brad King's

> book " Fat Wars " which, unlike its name is really a primer on

> controlling the body's healing processes and metabolic rate.

>

> I summarize his book in four " Fat Wars " articles posted on:

> http://zeek.ca/4u/topics.php?op=viewtopic & topic=9

>

> Brad is a clinical nutritionist who trains olympic athletes and fat

> peopla alike; he is a very sough-after speaker in North America, and

> the author of several books.

>

> I am impressed with his complimentary approaches, which include

> detox, HGH balance, and the metabolic control rather than starvation

> diet approach to losing weight. He explains the reason for using high-

> alpha whey (cold-processed) and uses it AND SomaLife gHP to increase

> HGH to youthful values to speed healing and regeneration of organs

> tissues and bones.

>

> www.fatwars.com

>

> regards,

>

> Duncan Crow

[Guest guest]

> The most important part of the " moritz prototcal " for a lack of a

> better word, is how he explains in simple terms the cause and effect.

> he takes the mystery out of recovering health. he empowers the reader

> rather than making them feel like you need science background to

> figure something out. because the goal is simple, teach you to heal

> yourself.

Thing is , that everyone has an opinion. Following someone's

belief system, which may not be based in science, without checking

into the facts, allows you to make unnecessary mistakes that you

might not otherwise make.

Again, the ADA recommends exactly the reverse of a good diabetic diet

for example. This organization is instrumental in killing tens of

thousands of people, yet people follow their advice because they

think it's coming from a knowledgeable source.

>

> Anytime I read posts that are supposedly " helpful " but are vague and

> filled with alot of jingo, jargon and unecessarily complex verbiage,

> it sends a red flag to me. its not necessary, why do it?

I'm anything but vague, , although I agree the jargon could be a

problem to some. I could take your hint and make my replies simpler I

suppose. I address the question, " How the heck did he arive at that

crackpot opinion " before you even ask it, and I make the posts fairly

detailed precisely because detail IS appreciated by the majority, who

are reluctant to follow another's say-so without reading how they

arrived at it.

regards,

Duncan Crow