What are we really here for?

March 15, 2004

Hello;

I am new to this post but I have something I need to say;

I have noticed that there seems to be two trains of thought on this e-mail

list. One, is that the liver flush, done properly with colonics, and done

properly, will help people really recover and be able to move on with their

lives. These testimonials are given by people that have lived through this

terrible disease and have finally gotten some hope for the rest of their

lives. I have not done a liver flush yet but I am looking forward to the

hope that is in the future.

Another train of thought is by someone who is trying to sell products to

those of us who are suffering. I bought into it and tried some inulin which

didn't do anything for me. I get confused when this person is constantly

nay saying the liver flush protocal that really works and keeps getting onto

the glutathiane stuff and all that cold pressed whey stuff.

In the 12 step groups I am in, which I know that this one is not, they have

a tradition that they incorporate in the groups which is that the group has

" no other affiliation " , such as someone constantly pushing products to the

rest of the group. I wish we could follow that tradition here. I don't

personally have a problem with the person that is doing this. He is trying

to make a living, but for the good of the group, I wish we could have a rule

like that. That yes, you can add posts of your own personal experience, but

don't try and push your products and try and make us feel guilty for not

buying certain ones. I just had to get that off my chest. I have suffered

too long and hard with disease to go for more products that just don't do

much, or just prolong the agony. Thanks for letting me share.

glutathione

> Quotes from this Long String...

>

> " If we reduce toxin load there will be much less glutathione

> depletion and thus better recovery. " " Glutathione is part of that

> equation. "

>

> This really makes the case for cleansing the colon &

> liver/gallbladder systems.

>

> The liver is largely responsible for synthesizing the three amino

> acids (referred to as Glutathione precursors glycine, glutamate and

> cystine) eats a diet high in fresh fruits and vegetables and freshly

> prepared meats, you should get be getting enough glutamate and

> glycine. But cystine comes mostly from eggs, milk and cheese.

>

> When eggs, milk and cheese are cooked or processed, the heat breaks

> down the dipeptides of cystine to cysteine. While still a valuable

> amino acid, it can no longer feed your glutathione levels. If you can

> get a sufficient supply of cystine (which determines the rate at

> which you can make glutathione), your arsenal is well-stocked. So if

> you think you are eating foods that may not have sufficient amount of

> all three amino acids it is fairly simple and easy to supplement one

> without a great deal of expense or exclusive/exotic product purchase.

>

March 15, 2004

People should never feel bad for expressing their opinion. I think

that doing that was part of why I got sick in the first place,

suppressed emotions.

Good luck with the flush preparations. I hope it works as well for

you as it did for me. Please consider looking at books like " the

amazing liver cleanse " and " key to health and rejuvenation " just

doing the flush itself is great, but there is so much more you can

also do for yourself without taking drugs or supps.

g

> Hello;

> I am new to this post but I have something I need to say;

> I have noticed that there seems to be two trains of thought on this

e-mail

> list. One, is that the liver flush, done properly with colonics,

and done

> properly, will help people really recover and be able to move on

with their

> lives. These testimonials are given by people that have lived

through this

> terrible disease and have finally gotten some hope for the rest of their

> lives. I have not done a liver flush yet but I am looking forward

to the

> hope that is in the future.

>

> Another train of thought is by someone who is trying to sell products to

> those of us who are suffering. I bought into it and tried some

inulin which

> didn't do anything for me. I get confused when this person is

constantly

> nay saying the liver flush protocal that really works and keeps

getting onto

> the glutathiane stuff and all that cold pressed whey stuff.

>

> In the 12 step groups I am in, which I know that this one is not,

they have

> a tradition that they incorporate in the groups which is that the

group has

> " no other affiliation " , such as someone constantly pushing products

to the

> rest of the group. I wish we could follow that tradition here. I don't

> personally have a problem with the person that is doing this. He is

trying

> to make a living, but for the good of the group, I wish we could

have a rule

> like that. That yes, you can add posts of your own personal

experience, but

> don't try and push your products and try and make us feel guilty for not

> buying certain ones. I just had to get that off my chest. I have

suffered

> too long and hard with disease to go for more products that just

don't do

> much, or just prolong the agony. Thanks for letting me share.

>

> glutathione

>

> > Quotes from this Long String...

> >

> > " If we reduce toxin load there will be much less glutathione

> > depletion and thus better recovery. " " Glutathione is part of that

> > equation. "

> >

> > This really makes the case for cleansing the colon &

> > liver/gallbladder systems.

> >

> > The liver is largely responsible for synthesizing the three amino

> > acids (referred to as Glutathione precursors glycine, glutamate and

> > cystine) eats a diet high in fresh fruits and vegetables and freshly

> > prepared meats, you should get be getting enough glutamate and

> > glycine. But cystine comes mostly from eggs, milk and cheese.

> >

> > When eggs, milk and cheese are cooked or processed, the heat breaks

> > down the dipeptides of cystine to cysteine. While still a valuable

> > amino acid, it can no longer feed your glutathione levels. If you can

> > get a sufficient supply of cystine (which determines the rate at

> > which you can make glutathione), your arsenal is well-stocked. So if

> > you think you are eating foods that may not have sufficient amount of

> > all three amino acids it is fairly simple and easy to supplement one

> > without a great deal of expense or exclusive/exotic product purchase.

> >

March 15, 2004

Hi everyone

well after a seven month hiatus I have decided to once again check out this group. Must say you all seem like a much nicer, and less hostile, crowd! (I have been lurking!)

I so agree with you Rick.....we need a group with a moderator. Did all those who were in the group last year leave due to good health, or they were tired of the bickering. For me it was the bickering and outright hostility. So if you want to set up a new group of positive, seekers of health, count me in!

Oh and Rick, Congratulations.....I am so proud of you. I remember what state you were in and you seem so much happier and healthier now. Way to go!

Me, I am still fighting the big fight, but now have a major complication......pregnancy. All these herbs are out the window for me.

Liver flushing....well after searching curzone's forum many have tried it, but not during the first trimester. so I am stuck. I would love to cleanse, but I am afraid to try, and really afraid to upset my already upset body any more. I will have to see in a few months of I can pick up the nerve to try it then....

Has any one here had any success while pregnant? If so Please let me know..

Hanida

March 15, 2004

> Hello;

> I am new to this post but I have something I need to say;

> I have noticed that there seems to be two trains of thought on this

e-mail

> list. One, is that the liver flush, done properly with colonics,

and done

> properly, will help people really recover and be able to move on

with their

> lives. These testimonials are given by people that have lived

through this

> terrible disease and have finally gotten some hope for the rest of

their

> lives. I have not done a liver flush yet but I am looking forward

to the

> hope that is in the future.

>

> Another train of thought is by someone who is trying to sell

products to

> those of us who are suffering. I bought into it and tried some

inulin which

> didn't do anything for me. I get confused when this person is

constantly

> nay saying the liver flush protocal that really works and keeps

getting onto

> the glutathiane stuff and all that cold pressed whey stuff.

I'm so glad that you said that. Do you accept big hugs?

>

> In the 12 step groups I am in, which I know that this one is not,

they have

> a tradition that they incorporate in the groups which is that the

group has

> " no other affiliation " , such as someone constantly pushing products

to the

> rest of the group. I wish we could follow that tradition here. I

don't

> personally have a problem with the person that is doing this. He

is trying

> to make a living, but for the good of the group, I wish we could

have a rule

> like that. That yes, you can add posts of your own personal

experience, but

> don't try and push your products and try and make us feel guilty

for not

> buying certain ones. I just had to get that off my chest. I have

suffered

> too long and hard with disease to go for more products that just

don't do

> much, or just prolong the agony. Thanks for letting me share.

I think a lot of us in here share your beliefs, I know I do.

That was very well said too!

Rick

March 15, 2004

,

You make an excellent point. I am so sorry you tried a product that

didn't work. I have been there SO MANY TIMES!!!! It's why I don't

put the money out anymore, unless it's directed by my Naturopath...

and I can't even afford here anymore. lol.

Hugs & wishes for healthy living.

> > Hello;

> > I am new to this post but I have something I need to say;

> > I have noticed that there seems to be two trains of thought on

this

> e-mail

> > list. One, is that the liver flush, done properly with colonics,

> and done

> > properly, will help people really recover and be able to move on

> with their

> > lives. These testimonials are given by people that have lived

> through this

> > terrible disease and have finally gotten some hope for the rest

of

> their

> > lives. I have not done a liver flush yet but I am looking

forward

> to the

> > hope that is in the future.

> >

> > Another train of thought is by someone who is trying to sell

> products to

> > those of us who are suffering. I bought into it and tried some

> inulin which

> > didn't do anything for me. I get confused when this person is

> constantly

> > nay saying the liver flush protocal that really works and keeps

> getting onto

> > the glutathiane stuff and all that cold pressed whey stuff.

>

> I'm so glad that you said that. Do you accept big hugs?

>

> >

> > In the 12 step groups I am in, which I know that this one is not,

> they have

> > a tradition that they incorporate in the groups which is that the

> group has

> > " no other affiliation " , such as someone constantly pushing

products

> to the

> > rest of the group. I wish we could follow that tradition here.

I

> don't

> > personally have a problem with the person that is doing this. He

> is trying

> > to make a living, but for the good of the group, I wish we could

> have a rule

> > like that. That yes, you can add posts of your own personal

> experience, but

> > don't try and push your products and try and make us feel guilty

> for not

> > buying certain ones. I just had to get that off my chest. I

have

> suffered

> > too long and hard with disease to go for more products that just

> don't do

> > much, or just prolong the agony. Thanks for letting me share.

>

> I think a lot of us in here share your beliefs, I know I do.

>

> That was very well said too!

>

> Rick

March 15, 2004

,

I think part of the problem is this group

has no moderator. This same person used to be part of the CFSexperimental

group but no longer is and I’m not sure why. That group does

have a moderator, but I’m not sure if that has anything to do with it or

not. That is a very large group just like this one so I’m not

sure why he left.

What I really, really do not understand is

why Duncan doesn’t delve more into what healed G and slickrick and

Deborah. If I truly wanted to heal people I know I would be

right on that.

There’s no need to feel guilty about

buying certain products. When I first got sick, I would hear

about how something helped someone and would literally grab my coat and go to

the healthfood store and buy some. Now I buy almost nothing –

just digestive enzymes and HCL and hope I won’t need those much longer

either. And then the odd little thing to help out – right now

I’m taking chanca piedra.

I may get some flack for saying this but

it wouldn’t bother me if the supplement industry dried up, as long as no

one was hurt of course, with the exception that I do need my digestive enzymes

and HCL for now. : )

Re: What

are we really here for?

> Hello;

> I am new to this post but I have something I

need to say;

> I have noticed that there seems to be two

trains of thought on this

e-mail

> list. One, is that the liver flush,

done properly with colonics,

and done

> properly, will help people really recover and

be able to move on

with their

> lives. These testimonials are given by

people that have lived

through this

> terrible disease and have finally gotten some

hope for the rest of

their

> lives. I have not done a liver flush

yet but I am looking forward

to the

> hope that is in the future.

>

> Another train of thought is by someone who is

trying to sell

products to

> those of us who are suffering. I bought

into it and tried some

inulin which

> didn't do anything for me. I get

confused when this person is

constantly

> nay saying the liver flush protocal that

really works and keeps

getting onto

> the glutathiane stuff and all that cold

pressed whey stuff.

I'm so glad that you said that. Do you accept big

hugs?

>

> In the 12 step groups I am in, which I know

that this one is not,

they have

> a tradition that they incorporate in the

groups which is that the

group has

> " no other affiliation " , such as

someone constantly pushing products

to the

> rest of the group. I wish we could

follow that tradition here. I

don't

> personally have a problem with the person

that is doing this. He

is trying

> to make a living, but for the good of the

group, I wish we could

have a rule

> like that. That yes, you can add posts of

your own personal

experience, but

> don't try and push your products and try and

make us feel guilty

for not

> buying certain ones. I just had to get

that off my chest. I have

suffered

> too long and hard with disease to go for more

products that just

don't do

> much, or just prolong the agony. Thanks

for letting me share.

I think a lot of us in here share your beliefs, I

know I do.

That was very well said too!

Rick

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March 15, 2004

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AMEN!