RE: liquid diet

December 22, 2007

Ok thanks Bee,

Nice to hear back from you too. Do you think I should be taking all

the supplements at this time as well? I'm getting high minerals from

all the broth and adding liquid trace minerals to my R/O water.

The reason I ask is because sometimes I get heartburn from so many

pills and wonder if I'll end up having a harder time breaking them

down when I'm not having any solid foods.

Elyse

On 12/22/07, Bee <beeisbuzzing2003@...> wrote:

>

> >

> > I didn't feel like having solid food a couple of days ago so I just

> > started having the egg drink and chicken broth. This is now my third

> > day on that.

> >

> > How long is it ok to stay on this, should I start having anything else

> > like vegetables or can I continue on the liquid diet longer.

> >

> > Elyse

>

> ==>Hi Elyse. It is good to hear from you. You can safely stay on that

> kind a liquid diet a couple of weeks, sometimes more. You can start

> adding pureed cooked foods anytime, and then gradually add more solids.

>

> Bee

>

December 22, 2007

>

> Ok thanks Bee,

> Nice to hear back from you too. Do you think I should be taking all

> the supplements at this time as well? I'm getting high minerals

from

> all the broth and adding liquid trace minerals to my R/O water.

>

> The reason I ask is because sometimes I get heartburn from so many

> pills and wonder if I'll end up having a harder time breaking them

> down when I'm not having any solid foods.

==>Yes, you should be taking all of the supplements as well; diet

plus supplements equals " all of the nutrients " your body needs.

Minerals aren't the only important nutrients required.

Heartburn isn't caused by the pills; it is caused by a lack of enough

hydrochloric acid (HCl) in the stomach, which is common for candida

sufferers. You should be taking Betaine HCl, and also 2 tbl. of good

sauerkraut with all foods and supplements. Supplements should also

be taken with foods. If your stomach isn't making enough HCl it also

won't be making enough bicarbonate of soda (baking soda) which

protects the lining of the stomach from being damaged by the HCl.

When you get heartburn take 1/4 to 1/2 tsp. of baking soda in some

warm water to alleviate it.

Bee

December 22, 2007

OK, I wasn't sure about that. I'm going to stay on this as long as I

can. Thank you so much.

Elyse

On 12/22/07, Bee <beeisbuzzing2003@...> wrote:

> ==>Yes, you should be taking all of the supplements as well; diet

> plus supplements equals " all of the nutrients " your body needs.

> Minerals aren't the only important nutrients required.

>

> Heartburn isn't caused by the pills; it is caused by a lack of enough

> hydrochloric acid (HCl) in the stomach, which is common for candida

> sufferers. You should be taking Betaine HCl, and also 2 tbl. of good

> sauerkraut with all foods and supplements. Supplements should also

> be taken with foods. If your stomach isn't making enough HCl it also

> won't be making enough bicarbonate of soda (baking soda) which

> protects the lining of the stomach from being damaged by the HCl.

>

> When you get heartburn take 1/4 to 1/2 tsp. of baking soda in some

> warm water to alleviate it.

>

> Bee

>

December 23, 2007

Hi Bee,

I've been having a Bee's drink daily that I stretch over 2 meals for

months now. It has 5 eggs plus 5 T. coconut oil, butter and the spices.

I eat some type of meat or fish and veggies for dinner plus fermented

cabbage after the drink (and supplements and salt). It sounds like

from what you say that it's not good to stay on a mostly liquid diet

for an extended time. Does that apply if one has solids for one of the

three meals? Also, can you explain why it's unsafe to continue a

liquid diet for extended periods of time? I just want to make sure I'm

not on the wrong track somehow.

Thanks, Anita T.

> On 12/22/07, Bee <beeisbuzzing2003@...> wrote:

You can safely stay on that

> > kind a liquid diet a couple of weeks, sometimes more. You can start

> > adding pureed cooked foods anytime, and then gradually add more

solids.

> >

> > Bee

> >

December 23, 2007

>

> Hi Bee,

> I've been having a Bee's drink daily that I stretch over 2 meals for

> months now. It has 5 eggs plus 5 T. coconut oil, butter and the

spices.

> I eat some type of meat or fish and veggies for dinner plus

fermented

> cabbage after the drink (and supplements and salt). It sounds like

> from what you say that it's not good to stay on a mostly liquid diet

> for an extended time. Does that apply if one has solids for one of

the

> three meals? Also, can you explain why it's unsafe to continue a

> liquid diet for extended periods of time? I just want to make sure

I'm

> not on the wrong track somehow.

> Thanks, Anita T.

==>You are not on a liquid diet if you have any solids in addition to

liquids. If did not write it was unsafe to stay on a liquid diet.

It is better to get back into digesting solids when a person can. I

don't think you are on the wrong track.

Bee

February 7, 2010

Why were you on a liquid diet for a year?

Do you become ill when you eat solid food that is GF, do you become ill, or do you become ill after eating any solid food?

What does your doctor say about this? I would think that a year on a liquid diet might change your bowel capabilities in ways unrelated to gluten.

H.

-----Original Message-----

From: driley99 <driley99@...>

Sent: Sat, Feb 6, 2010 8:35 pm

Subject: RE: [ ] What is glutened?

After having followed a liquid fast for a

year with no symptoms ever of celiac disease, I again started on food last

July. As soon as I started on solid food, I began to get sick with bowel

problems, extreme gassiness, and weakness. I was diagnosed with last October,

just a few months later.

I have had a few bouts of accidental

gluten ingestion since then. My symptoms usually begin the next day and are bowel

relatedâ€” with each urination little, stringy, and thin feces, and some diarrhea.

Occasionally I will get some bloating but nothing like before diagnosis. It takes

a week or more for normalcy to return.

I know it is gluten related because the symptoms

are always the same for me and only happens after I eat out. My home is totally

gluten free.

D

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of Harper

Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010

3:00 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] What

is glutened?

I don't have answers for all your

questions. I think the symptoms are highly variable. Not surprising, when you

consider that half the people with CD have no GI symptoms when they're

diagnosed!

For me, I have up to 15 hours of extremely intense vomiting. It usually begins

about two to six hours after accidental gluten ingestion. I feel weak for a

couple of weeks afterward.

So far, it's been pretty clear what the source was. It never happens at home --

at least, not since the family members who sometimes share a house with me

learned what's involved and eliminated the risk factors.

H.

So when people say I

was glutened what does that mean? How do you know that it was a gluten reaction

and not just spoiled food? How do you know you don't have an upset stomach? How

long after eating the food you feel bad?

I have heard people say they feel bad 15 minutes after eating gluten and that

is not a celiac reaction; it may take a long time (hours or days) to have a

gluten reaction in your intestines and by then you may have eaten several

things in several places.

Not questioning anybody's symptoms or reaction. Just curious about what the

group thinks.

-----Original

Message-----

From: rami_keisari <rami_keisari >

Sent: Sat, Feb 6, 2010 9:22 am

Subject: [ ] What is glutened?

So

when people say I was glutened what does that mean? How do you know that it was

a gluten reaction and not just spoiled food? How do you know you don't have an

upset stomach? How long after eating the food you feel bad?

I have heard people say they feel bad 15 minutes after eating gluten and that

is not a celiac reaction; it may take a long time (hours or days) to have a gluten

reaction in your intestines and by then you may have eaten several things in

several places.

Not questioning anybody's symptoms or reaction. Just curious about what the

group thinks.

February 7, 2010

I was very heavy and had given up trying

to lose. The diet was a last resort. I came down with celiac symptoms when I

started back on solid foods. I started having other symptoms (turns out to be

of CD) as soon as I started on solid food and I kept thinking my body was

having trouble adjusting. I kept getting weaker, my stools were yellow, diarrhea,

etc. My boyfriend convinced me I needed to see my regular doctor. The anemia

was troubling, I mentioned celiac disease, and she sent me for blood tests and

a colonoscopy to see what the chronic anemia was about. The GI doctor wasn’t

going to do a biopsy (he thought 60 was too old to suddenly have CD), but

decided he might as well. Everything started to come together.

I told the GI doctor about the sudden

onset, but he didn’t give any opinion. I have been off the diet long enough now

that my bowels are normal, except when I get ingest gluten.

I have read the sometimes when someone has

been through starvation (like in World War II) or had a physical trauma, CD may

suddenly appear.

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of Harper

Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010

8:51 PM

Subject: Re: [ ]

liquid diet

Why were you on a liquid diet for a year?

Do you become ill when you eat solid food that is GF, do you become ill, or do

you become ill after eating any solid food?

What does your doctor say about this? I would think that a year on a liquid

diet might change your bowel capabilities in ways unrelated to gluten.

H.

-----Original

Message-----

From: driley99 <driley99comcast (DOT) net>

Sent: Sat, Feb 6, 2010 8:35 pm

Subject: RE: [ ] What is glutened?

After having followed a liquid fast for a

year with no symptoms ever of celiac disease, I again started on food last

July. As soon as I started on solid food, I began to get sick with bowel

problems, extreme gassiness, and weakness. I was diagnosed with last October,

just a few months later.

I have had a few bouts of accidental

gluten ingestion since then. My symptoms usually begin the next day and are

bowel related— with each urination little, stringy, and thin feces, and some

diarrhea. Occasionally I will get some bloating but nothing like before

diagnosis. It takes a week or more for normalcy to return.

I know it is gluten related because the

symptoms are always the same for me and only happens after I eat out. My home

is totally gluten free.

D

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Harper

Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010

3:00 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] What

is glutened?

I don't have answers for all your

questions. I think the symptoms are highly variable. Not surprising, when you

consider that half the people with CD have no GI symptoms when they're

diagnosed!

For me, I have up to 15 hours of extremely intense vomiting. It usually begins

about two to six hours after accidental gluten ingestion. I feel weak for a

couple of weeks afterward.

So far, it's been pretty clear what the source was. It never happens at home --

at least, not since the family members who sometimes share a house with me

learned what's involved and eliminated the risk factors.

H.

So when people say I

was glutened what does that mean? How do you know that it was a gluten reaction

and not just spoiled food? How do you know you don't have an upset stomach? How

long after eating the food you feel bad?

I have heard people say they feel bad 15 minutes after eating gluten and that

is not a celiac reaction; it may take a long time (hours or days) to have a gluten

reaction in your intestines and by then you may have eaten several things in

several places.

Not questioning anybody's symptoms or reaction. Just curious about what the

group thinks.

-----Original

Message-----

From: rami_keisari <rami_keisari >

Sent: Sat, Feb 6, 2010 9:22 am

Subject: [ ] What is glutened?

So when people say I

was glutened what does that mean? How do you know that it was a gluten reaction

and not just spoiled food? How do you know you don't have an upset stomach? How

long after eating the food you feel bad?

I have heard people say they feel bad 15 minutes after eating gluten and that

is not a celiac reaction; it may take a long time (hours or days) to have a

gluten reaction in your intestines and by then you may have eaten several

things in several places.

Not questioning anybody's symptoms or reaction. Just curious about what the

group thinks.

February 7, 2010

The doctor said that sixty is too old to suddenly have CD? This guy doesn't know much about the disorder, in my opinion. CD, like other autoimmune disorders, can appear at any age. As one gets OLDER, autoimmune diseases become more common.

You may have had sudden onset of CD, or it may be that the symptoms suddenly appeared. Half the people with CD had no GI symptoms at diagnosis. (I didn't have any back then.)

You're right in saying that CD, like any AD, can be activated by stress of any kind. You must have the appropriate genes for this to happen.

The example of CD after near-starvation in war-time Europe doesn't give starvation itself as the cause. The presumable cause is that people had little access to wheat, rye, and barley during this time, and people who had CD (unknown then) became healthier. When times became easier and gluten-containing foods were available again, these people went back to their previous patterns of illness. Observing this, a doctor figured out the basis of CD. I'm going by memory on this, and I've never been sure whether this story is apocryphal.

Two sites you may find useful are celiac.com and AARDA.org. There are many others, of course.

H.

The GI doctor wasnâ€™t

going to do a biopsy (he thought 60 was too old to suddenly have CD), but

decided he might as well. . . .

I told the GI doctor about the sudden

onset, but he didnâ€™t give any opinion. . . .

I have read the sometimes when someone has

been through starvation (like in World War II) or had a physical trauma, CD may

suddenly appear.

-----Original Message-----

From: driley99 <driley99@...>

Sent: Sat, Feb 6, 2010 9:08 pm

Subject: RE: [ ] liquid diet

I was very heavy and had given up trying

to lose. The diet was a last resort. I came down with celiac symptoms when I

started back on solid foods. I started having other symptoms (turns out to be

of CD) as soon as I started on solid food and I kept thinking my body was

having trouble adjusting. I kept getting weaker, my stools were yellow, diarrhea,

etc. My boyfriend convinced me I needed to see my regular doctor. The anemia

was troubling, I mentioned celiac disease, and she sent me for blood tests and

a colonoscopy to see what the chronic anemia was about. The GI doctor wasnâ€™t

going to do a biopsy (he thought 60 was too old to suddenly have CD), but

decided he might as well. Everything started to come together.

I told the GI doctor about the sudden

onset, but he didnâ€™t give any opinion. I have been off the diet long enough now

that my bowels are normal, except when I get ingest gluten.

I have read the sometimes when someone has

been through starvation (like in World War II) or had a physical trauma, CD may

suddenly appear.

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of Harper

Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010

8:51 PM

Subject: Re: [ ]

liquid diet

Why were you on a liquid diet for a year?

Do you become ill when you eat solid food that is GF, do you become ill, or do

you become ill after eating any solid food?

What does your doctor say about this? I would think that a year on a liquid

diet might change your bowel capabilities in ways unrelated to gluten.

H.

-----Original

Message-----

From: driley99 <driley99comcast (DOT) net>

Sent: Sat, Feb 6, 2010 8:35 pm

Subject: RE: [ ] What is glutened?

After having followed a liquid fast for a

year with no symptoms ever of celiac disease, I again started on food last

July. As soon as I started on solid food, I began to get sick with bowel

problems, extreme gassiness, and weakness. I was diagnosed with last October,

just a few months later.

I have had a few bouts of accidental

gluten ingestion since then. My symptoms usually begin the next day and are

bowel relatedâ€” with each urination little, stringy, and thin feces, and some

diarrhea. Occasionally I will get some bloating but nothing like before

diagnosis. It takes a week or more for normalcy to return.

I know it is gluten related because the

symptoms are always the same for me and only happens after I eat out. My home

is totally gluten free.

D

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Harper

Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010

3:00 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] What

is glutened?

I don't have answers for all your

questions. I think the symptoms are highly variable. Not surprising, when you

consider that half the people with CD have no GI symptoms when they're

diagnosed!

For me, I have up to 15 hours of extremely intense vomiting. It usually begins

about two to six hours after accidental gluten ingestion. I feel weak for a

couple of weeks afterward.

So far, it's been pretty clear what the source was. It never happens at home --

at least, not since the family members who sometimes share a house with me

learned what's involved and eliminated the risk factors.

H.

So when people say I

was glutened what does that mean? How do you know that it was a gluten reaction

and not just spoiled food? How do you know you don't have an upset stomach? How

long after eating the food you feel bad?

I have heard people say they feel bad 15 minutes after eating gluten and that

is not a celiac reaction; it may take a long time (hours or days) to have a gluten

reaction in your intestines and by then you may have eaten several things in

several places.

Not questioning anybody's symptoms or reaction. Just curious about what the

group thinks.

-----Original

Message-----

From: rami_keisari <rami_keisari >

Sent: Sat, Feb 6, 2010 9:22 am

Subject: [ ] What is glutened?

So when people say I

was glutened what does that mean? How do you know that it was a gluten reaction

and not just spoiled food? How do you know you don't have an upset stomach? How

long after eating the food you feel bad?

I have heard people say they feel bad 15 minutes after eating gluten and that

is not a celiac reaction; it may take a long time (hours or days) to have a

gluten reaction in your intestines and by then you may have eaten several

things in several places.

Not questioning anybody's symptoms or reaction. Just curious about what the

group thinks.

February 7, 2010

Now that I think of it, I was 60 when I was diagnosed with CD. I was diagnosed with another AD two years before.