Re: subclinical hypothyroidism

January 10, 2006

Ah thanks Kerry. I didn't know there was one for FMS. I probably need

more time to internalize all this stuff. I found the web version,

have just cruised through the FAQ's. Seems he advises going up in

dosage every three days, up to 90 mcg? I had figured going up once a

week, but maybe that is not a good idea, and I should go up quicker.

Holy cow, I had not envisioned going off T3 at all, ever.

Yes, it is worthwhile trying T3, and I have to admit I am a tad

worried. But then it's my nature to worry--I probably still have the

low adrenals.:-) But I do have lots of Armour here, so I suppose if I

do have problems adjusting to just T3, I could always go back to the

Armour. I did go from T4 (Eltroxin) to Armour from one day to the

next, and that was seamless.

I wonder if it's possible you are not getting much benefit from the

T4 either, and just actually getting the use of the 60 mcg T3? And

maybe that is not enough for you?

Gail

>

> I think I have Dr Lowe's book somewhere - is there anything you

would

> like me to look up in there? I think I have the metabolic balance

one,

> not he one specifically for FMS

> Yes I definitely have resistance as well - I can take so much

hormone

> and never get any hyper symptoms!

>

> I was only cautioning you about stopping the T4 in case you get

other

> symptoms back from stopping it - but I agree with you that t3 only

is

> worth a try - it helped me with a very bad RSI injury that I had for

> years - a few weeks on T3 and it has never been as bad since!

>

> On the website if you click on Fixing the Problem then on the

> link for 's T3 protocol then on the link for the doctor's

manual

> - on this page there is a link to a free web version. I actually

bought

> a copy but it all seems to be in this free version. here is the

link in

> case :

> http://www.wilsonsthyroidsyndrome.com/eManual/

>

> regards,

> Kerry

>

January 10, 2006

I may have to buy the FMS book, even if it is expensive-- and more so

because American money is worth more than our Canadian money. Still, I

think the Australian dollar is even more devalued than ours. If you

can, can you find if Dr. Lowe says how quickly to titrate upwards with

T3?

Gail

In hypothyroidism , " Kerry Ann Faithfull " <kerry@o...>

wrote:

>

> I think I have Dr Lowe's book somewhere - is there anything you would

> like me to look up in there? I think I have the metabolic balance one,

> not he one specifically for FMS

>

January 10, 2006

I'm not thinking clearly-- been reading too much today. I erroneously

thought you were talking about Dr. . But you said Dr. Lowe. of

course.

Gail

In hypothyroidism , " & Gail on "

<caniscaeli@s...> wrote:

>

> Ah thanks Kerry. I didn't know there was one for FMS.

January 10, 2006

Thanks Gail - I thought that might be the case as well but I have tried

going without T4 and I feel worse - I get a sickly feeling as if it

affects my digestion and I feel more more tired.

The two main symptoms I am left with after two years on meds is

tiredness or sluggishness to be more accurate and breathlessness.

Neither t4 or T3 seems to help with these.

Kerry

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hypothyroidism

Subject: Re: subclinical hypothyroidism

Ah thanks Kerry. I didn't know there was one for FMS. I probably need

more time to internalize all this stuff. I found the web version,

have just cruised through the FAQ's. Seems he advises going up in

dosage every three days, up to 90 mcg? I had figured going up once a

week, but maybe that is not a good idea, and I should go up quicker.

Holy cow, I had not envisioned going off T3 at all, ever.

Yes, it is worthwhile trying T3, and I have to admit I am a tad

worried. But then it's my nature to worry--I probably still have the

low adrenals.:-) But I do have lots of Armour here, so I suppose if I

do have problems adjusting to just T3, I could always go back to the

Armour. I did go from T4 (Eltroxin) to Armour from one day to the

next, and that was seamless.

I wonder if it's possible you are not getting much benefit from the

T4 either, and just actually getting the use of the 60 mcg T3? And

maybe that is not enough for you?

Gail

>

> I think I have Dr Lowe's book somewhere - is there anything you

would

> like me to look up in there? I think I have the metabolic balance

one,

> not he one specifically for FMS

> Yes I definitely have resistance as well - I can take so much

hormone

> and never get any hyper symptoms!

>

> I was only cautioning you about stopping the T4 in case you get

other

> symptoms back from stopping it - but I agree with you that t3 only

is

> worth a try - it helped me with a very bad RSI injury that I had for

> years - a few weeks on T3 and it has never been as bad since!

>

> On the website if you click on Fixing the Problem then on the

> link for 's T3 protocol then on the link for the doctor's

manual

> - on this page there is a link to a free web version. I actually

bought

> a copy but it all seems to be in this free version. here is the

link in

> case :

> http://www.wilsonsthyroidsyndrome.com/eManual/

>

> regards,

> Kerry

>

January 10, 2006

Frustrating not to be able to find all the answers, I know.

Gail

>

> Thanks Gail - I thought that might be the case as well but I have

tried

> going without T4 and I feel worse - I get a sickly feeling as if it

> affects my digestion and I feel more more tired.

>

> The two main symptoms I am left with after two years on meds is

> tiredness or sluggishness to be more accurate and breathlessness.

> Neither t4 or T3 seems to help with these.

> Kerry

>

January 10, 2006

Kerry,

You wrote:

> great idea but fix the typo first - you said thyroid instead of fluoride

> in black tea.

Thanks for the catch. Perhaps I should start proofreading before posting.

I was worried that I left out a lot, perchlorate, for example.

Chuck

January 10, 2006

Gail,

You wrote:

> It doesn't take long to delete for us " old timers " . :-) So, will you

> work on an FAQ file?

OK, then what else should go into it? " Please include reference ranges

with your numbers? " Favorite web sites? Do we have a summary of the

tests somewhere?

Chuck

January 11, 2006

Estrogen!!!

Gracia

> Frustrating not to be able to find all the answers, I know.

> Gail

>

>>

>> Thanks Gail - I thought that might be the case as well but I have

> tried

>> going without T4 and I feel worse - I get a sickly feeling as if it

>> affects my digestion and I feel more more tired.

>>

>> The two main symptoms I am left with after two years on meds is

>> tiredness or sluggishness to be more accurate and breathlessness.

>> Neither t4 or T3 seems to help with these.

>> Kerry

>>

>

January 11, 2006

is it possible to get hypothyroidim due to homeopathic medicines

side effets

> >

> > TSH is not a good way to Dx hypothyroidism. I was extremely

hypo

> with a TSH

> > of 1. However in your case the TSH is way over the range (.3-

3).

> It is not

> > subclinical. I guess you don't have any hypo symptoms b/c

that's

> what

> > needs to be treated, not a piece of paper!

>

> Well, that's certainly not true. I have the cold hands and feet,

> and it was exhaustion/tiredness/apathy that forced me into the

> docs office in the first place.

>

> > Why are you on a low salt diet?

>

> Self-imposed. I was not happy with my blood pressure. Though

> not officially in the HBP range, I'm in my early 30's and did

> not like where it was. The diet has helped with that, but I

> may have given myself something of an iodine deficiency. My

> multi has 75% RDA. I think I feel a little better with the sea

> veggies added to my diet (though the hands are still ice), but

> I was using them for a little while between the 5 and 7 TSH

> readings, so the lack of improvement displeased me. Like I said,

> the doc is willing to prescribe hormones. It is me that is wary.

> I really would like to resolve this naturally. And it doesn't

> make sense to me (yet?) how taking T3 or T4 helps when they are

> already normal. " Only " the TSH is out of wack (so far?).

>

> > Most of us have been tested ad infinitum, sure it is fun and

good

> for the

> > economy, but we do better with a smart doc and proper treatment.

> > Gracia

>

> >

> > > OK, I have warmed up to this group and feel a little more

> comfortable

> > > sharing this personal information. My TSH in July was

measured

> at a

> > > little over 5 on a scale of 0.3-5.5. This did not draw my

> doctor's

> > > attention, but my own research suggested it was rather high

> despite

> > > falling within the range. So, at the end of November we reran

> the

> > > test and also gathered some T3/T4 numbers. The TSH had risen

to

> 7,

> > > yet the T3 and T4 were normal (T3 total 99 w/ref range of 80-

181

> and

> > > Free T4 1.2 against range of 0.8-1.8), so the diagnosis was

> subclinical

> > > hypothyroidism. We ran a test last month of antibodies which

> both came

> > > back fine. That much is good news, but I really don't know

> where this

> > > diagnosis leaves me. My doctor has offered to prescribe

> hormones, but

> > > I'm not sure which ones would be suggested for this case and

I'm

> not

> > > real keen on the idea anyway. We instead scheduled another

test

> for

> > > June to monitor the situation. In the meantime, I'm trying to

> learn

> > > all I can and am hoping there is some dietary modification or

> supplement

> > > that might help. I have started adding sea veggie sprinkles

to

> my food

> > > for iodine (I am on a very low sodium diet).

> > >

> > > Any thoughts would be appreciated.

> > > Thanks, -

>

January 11, 2006

Hi Gracia - I know you have been saying this for quite a while to me

.....I have been oestrogen dominant for a long time and frankly I've been

afraid to take oestrogen - but in March I am going to a new doc who

specialises in hormones and uses Saliva testing. - so I will see if I

need oestrogen and will happily take it if I do.

My current doc is just not on top of my hormones at all - he just gives

me the basic thyroid and progesterone - I'm grateful for that at least -

and customs stops DHEA, oestrogen and testosterone from entering

Australia so I can't get it on-line.

Kerry

Re: Re: subclinical hypothyroidism

Estrogen!!!

Gracia

> Frustrating not to be able to find all the answers, I know.

> Gail

>

>>

>> Thanks Gail - I thought that might be the case as well but I have

> tried

>> going without T4 and I feel worse - I get a sickly feeling as if it

>> affects my digestion and I feel more more tired.

>>

>> The two main symptoms I am left with after two years on meds is

>> tiredness or sluggishness to be more accurate and breathlessness.

>> Neither t4 or T3 seems to help with these.

>> Kerry

>>

>

January 12, 2006

OMG you can't have DHEA there? Oh how awful, well it must be Rx? If

there is anything I can send you, I would be happy to. I have gotten some

contraband stuff into France

Gracia

> Hi Gracia - I know you have been saying this for quite a while to me

> ....I have been oestrogen dominant for a long time and frankly I've been

> afraid to take oestrogen - but in March I am going to a new doc who

> specialises in hormones and uses Saliva testing. - so I will see if I

> need oestrogen and will happily take it if I do.

>

> My current doc is just not on top of my hormones at all - he just gives

> me the basic thyroid and progesterone - I'm grateful for that at least -

> and customs stops DHEA, oestrogen and testosterone from entering

> Australia so I can't get it on-line.

> Kerry

>

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January 26, 2006

NO

> is it possible to get hypothyroidim due to homeopathic medicines

> side effets

>

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January 26, 2006

I doubt it - unless your homeopath is very stupid!