Re: constipation / fats

[Guest guest]

Fran,

I have increased my fat intake quite a bit, but maybe not enough.

I'm not ready to increase my coconut oil anymore yet because of die-

off. (I've done enemas but I can't do them everyday).

According to my height, I should be having from 105 - 175 grams of

fat per day. I'm having 4 teaspoons of coconut a day and 3

teaspoons of fish oil a day, that's 98 grams so far. I use butter

and olive oil on vegetables, in cooking etc. I figured that would

more or less double the amount bringing me within range of what I

should be having. (How do you measure grams of butter)?

I'm confused about the amounts of fat. If we're aiming to have 5

TBSP of coconut oil, then that's 210 grams of coconut oil alone, not

including fish oils or other oils, that would exceed someone's limit

of how much fat they would have to take. How do you work it out?

elyse

On 22-Jun-06, at 9:17 AM, fgourd wrote:

> I thought of two things: At one point, Bee posted to everybody that

> the

> reason some of us (yours truly included... :-) are constipated when

> first on this diet is that we don't eat enough good fats. Maybe you

> need to (1) up your good fats to the needed ratio? Also, (2) I think

> enemas would help; I seem to remember this from previous posts or in

> the files. I know how awful you must feel... I've been there more than

> once.

[Guest guest]

Elyse,

How are you figuring your grams of fat?

According to Fitday.com 5TBS of coconut oil is 68 grams not the 210 you

stated. You need to measure the amount of your foods in tsps,TBS, ounces,

fluid ounces, cups or whatever and plug that into the Fitday program and it

will give you the grams of fat, protein, and carbs for that food.

Trying to figure it out any other way is going to throw you off completely

and you are not going to get enough fat in your diet. This could be one

reason you are having so many physical problems.

Ellen

Re: [ ] Re: constipation / fats

> Fran,

> I have increased my fat intake quite a bit, but maybe not enough.

> I'm not ready to increase my coconut oil anymore yet because of die-

> off. (I've done enemas but I can't do them everyday).

>

> According to my height, I should be having from 105 - 175 grams of

> fat per day. I'm having 4 teaspoons of coconut a day and 3

> teaspoons of fish oil a day, that's 98 grams so far. I use butter

> and olive oil on vegetables, in cooking etc. I figured that would

> more or less double the amount bringing me within range of what I

> should be having. (How do you measure grams of butter)?

>

> I'm confused about the amounts of fat. If we're aiming to have 5

> TBSP of coconut oil, then that's 210 grams of coconut oil alone, not

> including fish oils or other oils, that would exceed someone's limit

> of how much fat they would have to take. How do you work it out?

>

> elyse

[Guest guest]

Uh oh, I thought one teaspoon of coconut oil was 14 grams, obviously

I made a mistake. That's the thing about die-off and being a space

cadet, you make mistakes like that. This means 1 TBSp is about 14

grams, so the 5 TBSP makes better sense to me know.

This means, I'm getting only getting about 31 grams of fat from fish

oil and coconut oil. Does that mean I need to make up the rest of

the 74 - 144 grams with olive oil and butter?

Elyse

On 22-Jun-06, at 11:57 AM, Tiger Lily wrote:

> Elyse,

> How are you figuring your grams of fat?

>

> According to Fitday.com 5TBS of coconut oil is 68 grams not the 210

> you

> stated. You need to measure the amount of your foods in tsps,TBS,

> ounces,

> fluid ounces, cups or whatever and plug that into the Fitday

> program and it

> will give you the grams of fat, protein, and carbs for that food.

>

> Trying to figure it out any other way is going to throw you off

> completely

> and you are not going to get enough fat in your diet. This could

> be one

> reason you are having so many physical problems.

> Ellen

[Guest guest]

I want to edit my last message - I know some fats will also come from

the food I'm eating.

On 22-Jun-06, at 12:19 PM, macedgeca wrote:

> Does that mean I need to make up the rest of

> the 74 - 144 grams with olive oil and butter?

[Guest guest]

> This means, I'm getting only getting about 31 grams of fat from fish

> oil and coconut oil. Does that mean I need to make up the rest of

> the 74 - 144 grams with olive oil and butter?

Choose fatty meats. Eat chicken with the skin on. Eggs have fat. You'll

be surprised at how quickly the fat can add up actually. Use FitDay and

enter your food there. See how many grams of fat you're getting. If

you're not getting enough, try adding more olive oil/butter to your

veggies.

I'll bet you anything that you'll have better success with bowel movements

if you up your fat.

in IN

[Guest guest]

Yes, I have tried out fitday and it does help to know how much fat is

in eggs and other foods. Looking back on my entries the amount of

fat I was having was within my range (lower end of it), but obviously

I need more and I'll up it. Working this all out takes a lot of

planning which is difficult for me to do.

Thanks for the reminder to get fatty meats. I think this is fine for

organic but I have some doubts on eating a lot of fats with non-organic.

elyse

On 22-Jun-06, at 12:55 PM, Wittekind wrote:

> Choose fatty meats. Eat chicken with the skin on. Eggs have fat.

> You'll

> be surprised at how quickly the fat can add up actually. Use

> FitDay and

> enter your food there. See how many grams of fat you're getting. If

> you're not getting enough, try adding more olive oil/butter to your

> veggies.

[Guest guest]

Hi Elyse,

I'm glad you got such a good answer from Ellen. For my part, I'm still

overwhelmed by the fitday.com mesuring (my brain gets easily

overwhelmed with (too-much-for-me) new information). No doubt I'll get

it at some point. In the meantime, I do my best. I'm glad all the posts

helped you.

Fran

[Guest guest]

Debby wrote: " Hey there.. I've gotten the fitday thing down pretty well

so if you need any help let me know. "

------------

** Hi Debby,

Many thanks for your offer! I will take it up for sure when the times

come. And thanks for the really good tips in your message!

I tend to take a long time to tackle a task, etc... I easily feel

overwhelmed by them, because of brain fog (due to enviro. allergies).

But I will call upon your knowledge, re: fitday, rest assure! :-)

In the meantime, take good care,

Fran :-)

[Guest guest]

Elyse,

1) If you are 5'7 " tall then your minimum fat intake should be 175 grams

per day (maximum 246 grams).

2) It's really hard to judge how much fat you are getting from your protein

sources because the amounts vary depending on whether it is eggs, fish, red

meat, etc.

3) Fat sources are a little easier to judge since most are 12 to 14 grams

per tablespoon.

I would suppose that guess-timating your ratios is better than not doing

anything BUT....your best bet is to use Fitday. If you use it daily it will

get easier to understand.

Are you guessing on your protein amounts too?

Ellen

Re: [ ] Re: constipation / fats

>

> I'd like to check on my fat intake, and would really appreciate it if

> someone could please check these figures for me, since I have been

> known to make mistakes :-)

>

> I'm 5'7 " which means I should be getting from 105 - 175 grams of fat

> per day. I tried to figure an average of how much fat I get from

> food (meat, eggs etc) which I think comes to approximately 50 grams a

> day. That means I still need 55 - 125 grams, which would translate

> to about 4 - 9 TBS that I still need to make up in coconut oil,

> butter, ghee and a little olive oil. Does that sound right? 4 - 9

> TBS of additional fats?

>

> I can't be exact every day, I don't have a scale and fitday is still

> difficult for me to use, so I need to do it this way for now. Thanks,

>

> Elyse

[Guest guest]

Elyse,

I plugged some foods into my Fitday program and came up with the following:

1 oz chicken = 8 grams protein and 2 grams of fat

1 oz fish = 8 grams protein and 1 gram fat

1 oz ground beef (75% lean) = 4 grams protein and 7 grams fat (These

numbers change it is leaner, like 80% lean or whatever...then there are

fewer fat grams and more protein)

1 large egg = 6 grams of protein and 5 grams of fat

So just choosing from those foods alone you would need to eat 10 eggs, or 7

oz of ground beef, or 50 oz of fish, or 25 oz of chicken to get 50 grams of

fat from your protein sources.

Also given that your ideal protein level based on your height should be 70

grams, you may not always be getting 50 grams of fat from protein sources.

(Or you may be getting more than that) It really depends on what you are

eating in a typical day.

I know this can be confusing and difficult at times but just keep reminding

yourself it is for your health.

To get in the appropriate amount of fats, I often have my veggies swimming

in butter or make veggie soup using a bone broth base and add extra butter

to that. Or I add extra butter and coconut oil to the raw egg drink. I

even add extra oil to my salads sometimes. Since I am limiting olive oil

consumption I use half that and half coconut oil.

Hope these figures and ideas help.

Ellen

----- Original Message -----

From: " macedgeca "

> Ellen,

> I can't use fitday everyday right now. I looked up how many grams of

> fat are in what I generally eat and made notes of that. I'm

> estimating protein to a degree because I don't have a scale, but also

> going by how much I can eat. I get really hungry, but then I can't

> eat much. <<<

> Thanks for the fat calculations, obviously I erred. If approximately

> 50 grams of fat from food is correct, then I would need anywhere from

> 9 to 15 TBS of additional fat? I'm only having 2 TBS of coconut oil

> per day, so would the rest be better from butter and ghee or olive

> oil? There's been talk of olive oil inhibiting weight loss, I do

> need to lose weight. Thanks,

>

> Elyse

[Guest guest]

I'd like to check on my fat intake, and would really appreciate it if

someone could please check these figures for me, since I have been

known to make mistakes :-)

I'm 5'7 " which means I should be getting from 105 - 175 grams of fat

per day. I tried to figure an average of how much fat I get from

food (meat, eggs etc) which I think comes to approximately 50 grams a

day. That means I still need 55 - 125 grams, which would translate

to about 4 - 9 TBS that I still need to make up in coconut oil,

butter, ghee and a little olive oil. Does that sound right? 4 - 9

TBS of additional fats?

I can't be exact every day, I don't have a scale and fitday is still

difficult for me to use, so I need to do it this way for now. Thanks,

Elyse

[Guest guest]

Ellen,

I can't use fitday everyday right now. I looked up how many grams of

fat are in what I generally eat and made notes of that. I'm

estimating protein to a degree because I don't have a scale, but also

going by how much I can eat. I get really hungry, but then I can't

eat much. It seems like what my body wants to do or is willing to do

is hopefully about right. I would like to to work it out more exact,

but I am limited and it's difficult for me to even cook and do

everything I'm doing already. I'm having difficulty keeping up with

all that I'm doing so far, and I can only do what I can do for the

time being. So far, I've made a lot of changes and improvements,

but my body hasn't caught up yet. I'm till struggling a lot with

symptoms.

Thanks for the fat calculations, obviously I erred. If approximately

50 grams of fat from food is correct, then I would need anywhere from

9 to 15 TBS of additional fat? I'm only having 2 TBS of coconut oil

per day, so would the rest be better from butter and ghee or olive

oil? There's been talk of olive oil inhibiting weight loss, I do

need to lose weight. Thanks,

Elyse

On 29-Jun-06, at 8:52 AM, Tiger Lily wrote:

> 1) If you are 5'7 " tall then your minimum fat intake should be 175

> grams

> per day (maximum 246 grams).

>

> 2) It's really hard to judge how much fat you are getting from

> your protein

> sources because the amounts vary depending on whether it is eggs,

> fish, red

> meat, etc.

>

> 3) Fat sources are a little easier to judge since most are 12 to 14

> grams

> per tablespoon.

>

> I would suppose that guess-timating your ratios is better than not

> doing

> anything BUT....your best bet is to use Fitday. If you use it

> daily it will

> get easier to understand.

>

> Are you guessing on your protein amounts too?

>

> Ellen

[Guest guest]

Thanks Ellen,

I based the 50 gram figure on mostly eggs and red meat, knowing that

I would need more when I have chicken breast or fish instead, I

couldn't eat 50 oz of fish or 25 oz of chicken! On those days I'd

have to increase fat consumption, just trying to work out correct

figures before getting to adjustments. Luckily, I don't have a

problem with how to take the fat because I don't mind taking coconut

oil or butter straight, just pop it in my mouth like a snack.

Thanks again,

Elyse

On 29-Jun-06, at 10:28 AM, Tiger Lily wrote:

> I plugged some foods into my Fitday program and came up with the

> following:

> 1 oz chicken = 8 grams protein and 2 grams of fat

> 1 oz fish = 8 grams protein and 1 gram fat

> 1 oz ground beef (75% lean) = 4 grams protein and 7 grams fat (These

> numbers change it is leaner, like 80% lean or whatever...then there

> are

> fewer fat grams and more protein)

> 1 large egg = 6 grams of protein and 5 grams of fat

>

> So just choosing from those foods alone you would need to eat 10

> eggs, or 7

> oz of ground beef, or 50 oz of fish, or 25 oz of chicken to get 50

> grams of

> fat from your protein sources.

>

> Also given that your ideal protein level based on your height

> should be 70

> grams, you may not always be getting 50 grams of fat from protein

> sources.

> (Or you may be getting more than that) It really depends on what

> you are

> eating in a typical day.

>

> I know this can be confusing and difficult at times but just keep

> reminding

> yourself it is for your health.

>

> To get in the appropriate amount of fats, I often have my veggies

> swimming

> in butter or make veggie soup using a bone broth base and add extra

> butter

> to that. Or I add extra butter and coconut oil to the raw egg

> drink. I

> even add extra oil to my salads sometimes. Since I am limiting

> olive oil

> consumption I use half that and half coconut oil.

[Guest guest]

>

>

> I'd like to check on my fat intake, and would really appreciate it

if someone could please check these figures for me, since I have

been known to make mistakes :-)

>

> I'm 5'7 " which means I should be getting from 105 - 175 grams of

fat per day.

==>Your ratios are:

Protein 70 grams

Low Fat 175 grams

High Fat 246 grams

Carbs 56 grams

The gram are calculated for you at www.fitday.com. You do not weigh

out your food in grams, you enter the size of your serving in fitday

and refresh the nutrients, and then you will get the grams of each

food group; deduct fibres from total carbs.

Bee

[Guest guest]

>

> Thanks Ellen,

> I based the 50 gram figure on mostly eggs and red meat, knowing that

I would need more when I have chicken breast or fish instead, I

couldn't eat 50 oz of fish or 25 oz of chicken!

==>Elyse, if you ate 25 ounces of chicken that would equal from 138.5

to 200 grams of protein??? Are you sure you are calculating correctly?

Bee

[Guest guest]

No Bee, I was joking about the amount, it was a reply to a message to

me about how much chicken I'd have to eat to get a certain amount of

fat - obviously wouldn't do it that way :-) (I'm confused about the

amounts, but won't try to have that much :-)

On 30-Jun-06, at 4:50 PM, Bee Wilder wrote:

>

> ==>Elyse, if you ate 25 ounces of chicken that would equal from 138.5

> to 200 grams of protein??? Are you sure you are calculating

> correctly?

>

> Bee