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2-3 hours is WAY TOO LONG for treatments on EPFX!!! I know there are some out there who disagree, but it seems that more concur with an hour or less.

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hi

hi, i am getting treatment on the epfx system. i have had about 14

appointments , 2-3 hours each roughly. the results have been great.

i really dont know allot about it or how to operate the machine but i

have a few questions.

one of the things i noticed is that my numbers have been coming along

nicely, but my resistance is always low, in the 20's. it also shows my

crown & throat chakra's are near closed. anyone have any comments or

ideas?

thanks

lar

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Dear Caz,

Welcome to the group, glad you have found the information here helpful, and so sorry you find yourself physically amoung the desciptions of Flatback. I'm also glad that you aren't in bad pain, pain is what drives many of us to seek answers to whats going on with our spines all these years later after our Harrington Rod surgeries as either teens or young adults. The site itself has tons of excellent materials to read, member stories in the files section is a good read, as you'll see yourself too in many of the stories there. The sharing here amoung members with similiar struggles is so helpful, especially when dealing with this second round of the scoliosis battle, something most of us thought we put aside after our surgeries all those years ago with Harrington Rods.

We'd love to know more about you. Where are you located now? With which doc did you have your Harrington Rod surgery, and where? Have you been seeking treatment of late, and with whom? What levels do you have fused? How did you find us, as some of us see ourselves in the discriptions here, and others find groups like ours after being diagnosised by a doc. For most of us dealing with this, it's not an emergency situation, so there is plenty of time to read, and learn, visit some docs for opinions. After diagnosis myself, I read and read and read.

While all this can make ones head spin, it's all about putting a plan together and looking at options. For me, I was very painful, and looked to further surgery to help with my pain and furthering disability and inability to stand upright. Others are less far along in the symptoms, and either have very little pain or none. So there is truly a range of just what some people are feeling and when, and usually that drives just what they want to do.

I recieved my Harrington Rod in 1973 at UCSF in San Francisco, CA, had one rod, fused T-5 to L-3. I did fine for about 11 years till I had my first child, and started having pain running from my hip down my leg to the ball of my foot. Thus started years of going to Ortho's with really no answers besides learning to live with it, and here are some pills, as they had no diagnosis for me, and all I really knew was I hurt, couldn't walk or stand for for normal periods of time, and x-rays showed that both hooks from my rod were displaced. In 2000 I found my doc, Anant Kumar in Denver, got diagnosised with Flatback, and since I was such a mess, decided to have further surgery to get me upright and hopefully in less pain. I'm lucky I came out the end of this doing well, and was able to get back to my life pretty danged fully, and grateful for my surgeons skills.

While we hate that you are going through symptoms, know you are amoung friends who have been there, and we are here to support. We aren't docs, just fellow patients like yourself, at various stages of dealing with our own flatback situations. It's always good to see a doc who deals with this situation often to see where you are at and to give you some guidance. Knowledge is power.

5 kids, Wow, I have three and a Grandbaby and barely keep up! I have two teenagers and a grown child, and UGH it's a job in itself, but a pretty terrific job most days.

Look forward to hearing more from you, so glad you found us.

Colorado Springs CO

[ ] hi

Hi - my name is Caz and I had a harrington rod and a dwyers procedure in the late seventies. Reading your group's explanation of what you are about has already answered some of my questions as I have noticed I cannot stand straight without my knees bent and tend to lean forward. I am lucky in that i dont have a lot of pain but do get aches from time to time which I have put down to a combination of the surgery and having 5 children! I look forward to finding out more and hearing of others and their experiences. Kind Regards, caz.

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Thanks for such a lovely warm welcome! I am in Australia and had my surgeries with Sir Bedbrook in late '77 - I had the harrington rod in the top part and the dwyers procedure with nuts and bolts and wires and fusing down the bottom - so I think I am pretty much fused up and down - with 3 or 4 unfused vert. down the bottom. I sailed through 4 pregnancies but my last, when I was 39, ended in bad pain in the lower part of my back in the last three weeks and while i tried to tell the gyny what I thought it probably was, they werent interested in listening and I had a couple of years where I was in a lot of pain with lower back/sciatic etc.... I had alternative healing therapies like reiki and massage which got me painless and walking properly and I have toddled along until now when I wanted to know what others were experiencing as they grew older. I am

certainly glad I did as it has given me answers as to why walking is difficult and I seem to be leaning incerasingly forward. Most of the time I am pain free but I do often use anti-inflams overnight when I get too "achy". I am wondering whether flatback is as accepted in australia as it is in the USA. I am now thinking of being referred to a new specialist as mine died in the late 80"s, to touch base and find out more about what is available here - I wonder if there is anyone living in Oz who could tell me what is available here. I live in a small fairly isolated mining town called Broken Hill and my nearest city would be Adelaide in South Australia. I also would like to know if flatback is a condition that is likely to worsen over the years. Thankyou so much for the information you have here - it is great to have links with others in the same boat -

and not only that - I can now go to my GP with the information! :-) Caz

Only as far as I seek can I go,

Only as deep as I look can I see,

Only as much as I dream can I be."

Ravn

May peace, love and healing be yours......Caz

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Dear Caz,

Wow, Australia, and yes weve had/have members there. While the majority of our membership is in the states, we do have members in Europe and the UK too. Searching for a doc who understands Flatback and deals with it often, can be a challange, and many have to travel, even here in the states. It's a very accepted diagnosis, but missed sometimes by even run of the mill orthos. Well read docs , primary care, nowadays are hip to it. My PCP was facinated when I came into his care, as he knew of it, but hadn't had a patient either diagnosised or had actually had surgery for it. Here in the states many end up in major cities for treatment, as that is where these docs are, and while there are a great deal more dealing with it now than when I started my journey in 2000, it's still a speciality that needs a very experienced hand, as it's a very complicated surgery.

A good place to start is inserting into a search engine on your computer" Scoliosis Research Society" and on their site there are doc's that deal with the aging spine, you just insert some info and a few names will pop up. You are looking for key words like, degenerative, aging spine, deformity. I'd go for those docs, not ones for first time childrens surgeries. A quick look there found doc's in St. Leonards, Brisbane, Sydney, Toorak, and Randwick. Once you have names and addresses, then the work begins, asking a lot of questions and seeing if any merit a visit in person. I'd also check into any local scoliosis support groups, as they'd be hip to Flatback too, and may have doc's/doc whom they have heard good things about, or have had members who have been in treatment with.

Okay, will you get worse with time, probably. For some it's gradual, and others once you start having symptoms it moves fairly quickly. Some stave off surgery for years doing a combo of things, exercise( waterwork seems to be very helpful), Physical Therapy, Massage, and Pain MGT. I adapted for years to my lessening abilities, but my world continued to get smaller with the increase in pain, and my inability to walk far enough, or stand long enough to get through the day very productively. For me, and the timeframe my symptoms hit, I found little help as most orthos of the time told me to live with it( symptoms began in 1984). Today Flatback after Harrington Rod surgeries is far more known and diagnosised, though many patients have to do their homework to find just the right doc to help, still a struggle, but not as bad as when I was looking for answers all those years ago.

For your visit to your GP, I'd print every bit of info on Flatback and send it to his/her's office before your visit and ask them to read the material so they could be proactive benefiting you with a hopefully good referal. Know going into this, that many of us have to travel, and need to see at the very least two specialists, or more to find your doc. I know your system of medicine is different, so it's good to get the ball rolling, as there might be waits to see an experienced doc. Even here the very best at this are scheduling months out. Since you haven't been to doc's for years, it would be good to get long scoli films done, good to have films of where you are now when seeing these docs. Also if you have any films, surgical reports from your Harrington Rod surgery get all that out and available. I had none unfortunately, but if you do, it's sure is helpful.

I know all of this is hard to wrap your head around, all you can do is bite off one bite at a time, and move through all this. I'd say the key thing in this is finding your doc, seeing where you are at, and then dealing with what you want to do next. Choices are yours, and getting the best info from the best professionals, doing research, and keeping in mind always that this is your body, and you want the best for you to keep you as painfree and mobile so you can be there for that family of yours. Wish I could say all this is easy, wasn't for me, took a lot of work, a lot of support, some surgery and an excellent doc being my partner in care to get me feeling as good as I do now. Worth it yes, not fair we have to go through this second round of the scoliosis battle, but little in life is fair, so you trudge on and help yourself.

So for you, get to a doc, see whats going on with you personally, and what options you have. We as I said aren't docs, but have been through or going through it ourselves. As in any medical challenge it takes work on the patients part to find the best doc's and treatment. The internet is a great tool, lots of info out there, and groups like ours have reams of info, so take a mug of tea and sit and read a bit when you have a quiet moment. Write down questions, and believe me none are silly, to ask a potential doc. Look up not only support groups on the net, but also locally. I have found the Scoliosis Research Society page a valuable tool, tons of good info there. When I got diagnosised in 2000, I googled Flatback, and with all the info there I could have read for a month.All these years later I'm still learning, and asking questions, and yes supporting those who come after me in this battle. Know we are a strong bunch, goodness after all we went through as kids, we have a center literally made of steel, and can get through whats put in front of us. Thankfully for most there is no emergency, so you can take the time needed to discover the best treatment for you.

I hope others out there in Australia will chime in, and in the mean time, ask any questions we can help with, seek out a good doc, and study. For me it was worth all the work.

Colorado Springs, CO

Re: [ ] hi

Thanks for such a lovely warm welcome!

I am in Australia and had my surgeries with Sir Bedbrook in late '77 - I had the harrington rod in the top part and the dwyers procedure with nuts and bolts and wires and fusing down the bottom - so I think I am pretty much fused up and down - with 3 or 4 unfused vert. down the bottom.

I sailed through 4 pregnancies but my last, when I was 39, ended in bad pain in the lower part of my back in the last three weeks and while i tried to tell the gyny what I thought it probably was, they werent interested in listening and I had a couple of years where I was in a lot of pain with lower back/sciatic etc.... I had alternative healing therapies like reiki and massage which got me painless and walking properly and I have toddled along until now when I wanted to know what others were experiencing as they grew older. I am certainly glad I did as it has given me answers as to why walking is difficult and I seem to be leaning incerasingly forward. Most of the time I am pain free but I do often use anti-inflams overnight when I get too "achy".

I am wondering whether flatback is as accepted in australia as it is in the USA. I am now thinking of being referred to a new specialist as mine died in the late 80"s, to touch base and find out more about what is available here - I wonder if there is anyone living in Oz who could tell me what is available here. I live in a small fairly isolated mining town called Broken Hill and my nearest city would be Adelaide in South Australia.

I also would like to know if flatback is a condition that is likely to worsen over the years. Thankyou so much for the information you have here - it is great to have links with others in the same boat - and not only that - I can now go to my GP with the information!

:-) Caz

Only as far as I seek can I go,

Only as deep as I look can I see,

Only as much as I dream can I be."

Ravn

May peace, love and healing be yours......Caz

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and Caz,

Here, here , this is a great response. You said it all.

Basically, Research is the key to finding a flatback revision

specialist. Before I even knew of my surgeon, I found all the

research work he had done on spines and engineering.

>

> Dear Caz,

>

> Wow, Australia, and yes weve had/have members there. While the

majority of our membership is in the states, we do have members in

Europe and the UK too. Searching for a doc who understands Flatback

and deals with it often, can be a challange, and many have to travel,

even here in the states. It's a very accepted diagnosis, but missed

sometimes by even run of the mill orthos. Well read docs , primary

care, nowadays are hip to it. My PCP was facinated when I came into

his care, as he knew of it, but hadn't had a patient either

diagnosised or had actually had surgery for it. Here in the states

many end up in major cities for treatment, as that is where these

docs are, and while there are a great deal more dealing with it now

than when I started my journey in 2000, it's still a speciality that

needs a very experienced hand, as it's a very complicated surgery.

>

> A good place to start is inserting into a search engine on your

computer " Scoliosis Research Society " and on their site there are

doc's that deal with the aging spine, you just insert some info and a

few names will pop up. You are looking for key words like,

degenerative, aging spine, deformity. I'd go for those docs, not ones

for first time childrens surgeries. A quick look there found doc's in

St. Leonards, Brisbane, Sydney, Toorak, and Randwick. Once you have

names and addresses, then the work begins, asking a lot of questions

and seeing if any merit a visit in person. I'd also check into any

local scoliosis support groups, as they'd be hip to Flatback too, and

may have doc's/doc whom they have heard good things about, or have

had members who have been in treatment with.

>

> Okay, will you get worse with time, probably. For some it's

gradual, and others once you start having symptoms it moves fairly

quickly. Some stave off surgery for years doing a combo of things,

exercise( waterwork seems to be very helpful), Physical Therapy,

Massage, and Pain MGT. I adapted for years to my lessening abilities,

but my world continued to get smaller with the increase in pain, and

my inability to walk far enough, or stand long enough to get through

the day very productively. For me, and the timeframe my symptoms hit,

I found little help as most orthos of the time told me to live with it

( symptoms began in 1984). Today Flatback after Harrington Rod

surgeries is far more known and diagnosised, though many patients

have to do their homework to find just the right doc to help, still a

struggle, but not as bad as when I was looking for answers all those

years ago.

>

> For your visit to your GP, I'd print every bit of info on Flatback

and send it to his/her's office before your visit and ask them to

read the material so they could be proactive benefiting you with a

hopefully good referal. Know going into this, that many of us have to

travel, and need to see at the very least two specialists, or more to

find your doc. I know your system of medicine is different, so it's

good to get the ball rolling, as there might be waits to see an

experienced doc. Even here the very best at this are scheduling

months out. Since you haven't been to doc's for years, it would be

good to get long scoli films done, good to have films of where you

are now when seeing these docs. Also if you have any films, surgical

reports from your Harrington Rod surgery get all that out and

available. I had none unfortunately, but if you do, it's sure is

helpful.

>

> I know all of this is hard to wrap your head around, all you can do

is bite off one bite at a time, and move through all this. I'd say

the key thing in this is finding your doc, seeing where you are at,

and then dealing with what you want to do next. Choices are yours,

and getting the best info from the best professionals, doing

research, and keeping in mind always that this is your body, and you

want the best for you to keep you as painfree and mobile so you can

be there for that family of yours. Wish I could say all this is easy,

wasn't for me, took a lot of work, a lot of support, some surgery and

an excellent doc being my partner in care to get me feeling as good

as I do now. Worth it yes, not fair we have to go through this second

round of the scoliosis battle, but little in life is fair, so you

trudge on and help yourself.

>

> So for you, get to a doc, see whats going on with you personally,

and what options you have. We as I said aren't docs, but have been

through or going through it ourselves. As in any medical challenge it

takes work on the patients part to find the best doc's and treatment.

The internet is a great tool, lots of info out there, and groups like

ours have reams of info, so take a mug of tea and sit and read a bit

when you have a quiet moment. Write down questions, and believe me

none are silly, to ask a potential doc. Look up not only support

groups on the net, but also locally. I have found the Scoliosis

Research Society page a valuable tool, tons of good info there. When

I got diagnosised in 2000, I googled Flatback, and with all the info

there I could have read for a month.All these years later I'm still

learning, and asking questions, and yes supporting those who come

after me in this battle. Know we are a strong bunch, goodness after

all we went through as kids, we have a center literally made of

steel, and can get through whats put in front of us. Thankfully for

most there is no emergency, so you can take the time needed to

discover the best treatment for you.

>

> I hope others out there in Australia will chime in, and in the mean

time, ask any questions we can help with, seek out a good doc, and

study. For me it was worth all the work.

>

>

> Colorado Springs, CO

> Re: [ ] hi

>

>

>

> Thanks for such a lovely warm welcome!

>

> I am in Australia and had my surgeries with Sir Bedbrook

in late '77 - I had the harrington rod in the top part and the dwyers

procedure with nuts and bolts and wires and fusing down the bottom -

so I think I am pretty much fused up and down - with 3 or 4 unfused

vert. down the bottom.

>

> I sailed through 4 pregnancies but my last, when I was 39, ended

in bad pain in the lower part of my back in the last three weeks and

while i tried to tell the gyny what I thought it probably was, they

werent interested in listening and I had a couple of years where I

was in a lot of pain with lower back/sciatic etc.... I had

alternative healing therapies like reiki and massage which got me

painless and walking properly and I have toddled along until now when

I wanted to know what others were experiencing as they grew older. I

am certainly glad I did as it has given me answers as to why walking

is difficult and I seem to be leaning incerasingly forward. Most of

the time I am pain free but I do often use anti-inflams overnight

when I get too " achy " .

>

> I am wondering whether flatback is as accepted in australia as it

is in the USA. I am now thinking of being referred to a new

specialist as mine died in the late 80 " s, to touch base and find out

more about what is available here - I wonder if there is anyone

living in Oz who could tell me what is available here. I live in a

small fairly isolated mining town called Broken Hill and my nearest

city would be Adelaide in South Australia.

>

> I also would like to know if flatback is a condition that is

likely to worsen over the years. Thankyou so much for the information

you have here - it is great to have links with others in the same

boat - and not only that - I can now go to my GP with the information!

>

> :-) Caz

>

>

>

>

>

> Only as far as I seek can I go,

>

> Only as deep as I look can I see,

>

> Only as much as I dream can I be. "

>

> Ravn

>

> May peace, love and healing be yours......Caz

>

>

>

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>

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Dear Caz,

We fairly recently had a member too from Australia. To find the conversation between members and her( Mags) scroll down through this message, and the messages that follow, to the bottom of all this, and there across the bottom will be messages/Files/photos/links etc. Click on Messages, then the messages page of the site will come up, at the top will be a box labeled Search, in that box type Australia, and all conversations will come up concerning Australia there. The Search box is great for seeing all messages on a certain topic, say you type in, decompression, and all messages concerning that topic will come up, then you can read just on that topic instead of having to read through literally thousands of posts since Cam our group owner started this group. Most subjects have been covered, but also know we are here to answer your particular questions. The Search box just is a tool to find what you need more easily, but know there can be a hundred or more messages on the same subject, and we have hundreds of members through the years and subjects will be brought up multiple times. All conversation here can be found under the search box, open for all to see and respond to. Private conversation between two members is possible if you e-mail between your personal e-mail addresses, but most conversation here benefits not only the person asking, but also those who lurk in the background and never ask anything, just read. Many read daily but only chime in if they have something to add to the conversation. Conversation here can be very busy, or have lulls depending what the active membership at that time is going through. We usually have a lot of posts daily when members, and more than one are either in the run up to surgery, or in recovery.

The main page of the site has lots of interesting stuff, the Files section has members stories, I read all of them, and saw myself there till I posted my story. Photos there also show before and after photos and x-rays of members, many are striking just how bent over a member was, and after surgery just how upright they are. I'd go through the sections, there also is a great list Cam came up with of questions to ask a prospective doc, wish I had that when I was looking at docs, valuable info. The joy of this group is the sharing, and supporting, as we live in these bodies, and get it better than anyone else.

Any help I or our membership can be going through the site just ask, there are many members far more computer savy than me, but I continue to learn. Knowledge is power, and personally have found doc's love an informed patient, one who knows their stuff, comes prepared to a visit with questions. Dr. Kumar I think both hates and loves my legal pad full of questions, as the more I know, the more I want to know. I love to pick his brain. I had my PCP recently say to me that I'm very medically informed, and he was impressed just how much knowledge I acquired here, from my surgeon, and my own reading. I only think it helps a patient to be as informed as you can be, then when you are making decisions, they come from an informed place, not trusting blindly, but with information on your side.

Off to take my youngest for an orthodontist consult, kids it's always something that bleeds your wallet!

Colorado Springs CO

Re: [ ] hi

Thanks for such a lovely warm welcome!

I am in Australia and had my surgeries with Sir Bedbrook in late '77 - I had the harrington rod in the top part and the dwyers procedure with nuts and bolts and wires and fusing down the bottom - so I think I am pretty much fused up and down - with 3 or 4 unfused vert. down the bottom.

I sailed through 4 pregnancies but my last, when I was 39, ended in bad pain in the lower part of my back in the last three weeks and while i tried to tell the gyny what I thought it probably was, they werent interested in listening and I had a couple of years where I was in a lot of pain with lower back/sciatic etc.... I had alternative healing therapies like reiki and massage which got me painless and walking properly and I have toddled along until now when I wanted to know what others were experiencing as they grew older. I am certainly glad I did as it has given me answers as to why walking is difficult and I seem to be leaning incerasingly forward. Most of the time I am pain free but I do often use anti-inflams overnight when I get too "achy".

I am wondering whether flatback is as accepted in australia as it is in the USA. I am now thinking of being referred to a new specialist as mine died in the late 80"s, to touch base and find out more about what is available here - I wonder if there is anyone living in Oz who could tell me what is available here. I live in a small fairly isolated mining town called Broken Hill and my nearest city would be Adelaide in South Australia.

I also would like to know if flatback is a condition that is likely to worsen over the years. Thankyou so much for the information you have here - it is great to have links with others in the same boat - and not only that - I can now go to my GP with the information!

:-) Caz

Only as far as I seek can I go,

Only as deep as I look can I see,

Only as much as I dream can I be."

Ravn

May peace, love and healing be yours......Caz

Get the name you always wanted with the new y7mail email address.

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>

> Hi:

>

> I have used diflucan for over 2 months now for a yeast infection. My

> symptoms remain. Should I continue usage? Please reply.

>

> Thanks,

Hi . Welcome to our group. No, you should not continue taking

Diflucan since it is very toxic, particularly to the liver, which will

make it congested and less able to clear toxins out like it is supposed

to. And candida produces over 79 different kinds of toxins, and you

are also getting toxins from many other sources, particularly if you

didn't change your diet.

Your doctor should have done a liver function test prior to prescribing

Diflucan, and he should be doing a test on you every month.

Candida is not cured by " killing it off " - that isn't how it works.

Doctors believe that, but we know it doesn't work because many members

of this group have tried it, just like you. And any and all drugs are

toxic/poisonous to the body, just like candida toxins are.

The only way to cure candida is by building up your immune system with

proper nutrients, and by eliminating toxins, foods that feed candida

and damaging foods. Natural Healing takes time, patience and

persistence in giving your body what it needs so it can do its job,

according to Nature's Laws.

The best place to start is by reading and learning, so you understand

what you have to do to get well, and why. Read the articles emailed to

you when you joined, and if you didn't keep them see this section on my

website, and read to your heart's content - it will be an education all

in itself. Start with my article " How to Successfully Overcome

Candida " and next read " Curing Candida, How to Get Started " :

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/candida/index.php

After that you'll understand, and can print out diet and supplement

lists, etc.

Enjoy reading and get back to us with questions, or for support. We

have a great group of people. For encouragement see these many Success

Stories: http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/success/index.php

The best in health, Bee

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi:

>

> I have seborrheic dermatitis. I don't even know if I have candida.

I

> have taken the saliva test and showed positive. I have started

taking

> probiotics and experience bloating and severe flu-like symptoms. I

> really don't want to feel like this much longer. Are these die-off

> symptoms?

Hi . Welcome to our group. The saliva test isn't as accurate

as Dr. Crook's Candida Questionnaire - see this:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/intro3.php

The fact that you are reacting with bloating and severe flu-like

symptoms to taking probiotics tells me you do have candida.

Probiotics kill off candida which puts out more toxins and its the

toxins that are causing your symptoms, called die-off symptoms.

I do not recommend starting with probiotics when you have candida,

since it is very important to start with the diet and supplements.

The diet excludes foods that feed candida, which are mainly

sugars/starches & carbs (carbs are all foods not classified as protein

or fat). However, my program does include some vegetables.

The best place to start is by reading and learning so you understand

what you need to do to cure candida, and why the program is the way it

is - read articles emailed to you when you joined, or read " How to

Successfully Overcome Candida " and " Curing Candida, How to Get

Started " : http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/candida/index.php

After reading please get back to us with questions and for support.

We are here to help you get well like many of us.

The best in health, Bee

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi:

>

> I have very elevated levels of lead and elevated levels of

mercury. I

> want to begin chelation. I am a bit uncertain as to whether to try

> DMSA or zeolites.

Hi there. Welcome to our group. What is your name please?

Chelation therapy is not recommended because this program with

its " high good " fats from meats and eggs naturally chelate out all

heavy metals, including lead and mercury, along with cleansing the

body of toxins, and providing proper fats for the construction of all

cell membranes, most require 50% saturated fat, the lung cells

required 100% saturated fat.

Do you also have candida?

The best in health, Bee

[Guest guest]

Hi

Welcome to our group! So many of us have had to be 'self-diagnosed'

with candida since the majority of medical doctors don't even believe

it exists.

I, too, had major stomach complaints prior to starting Bee's program.

I would have two or three bites of food and feel like I just stuffed

myself with Thanksgiving Dinner. It was quite painful and felt like

I'd been kicked in the stomach, which would swell like I was 6 months

pregnant.

All of that has completely disappeared since starting Bee's program. I

think it was wheat that bothered me the most. But like I said, it's

all gone now. A lot of my other symptoms have subsided, so I know I'm

on the right track.

>

> Hello all. I'm new to the group. I'm self diagnosed with candida.

<snip>

>

> My question to all of you is this. Does others experience the gut

swelling with yours? Mine rarely goes down. I've forgotten how it

feels not to be walking around feeling 5 months pregnant. I just need

to hear from others if they have the swelling too and how you deal

with it.

>

> It's great to be part of this group. I love forward to the

information and

> support along this hard hard trail!

>

> God bless you all.

> Chris

>

> 

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Hello all. I'm new to the group. I'm self diagnosed with

candida. I am

> absolutely sure I have it - all the tell tale signs. <snip>

+++Hi Chris. Welcome to our group. Like Marissa wrote most people

must do self-diagnosis. You certainly have all of the tell take

signs of candida, so it's good you've found us since this program is

the most successful in curing candida.

>Swelling like I was 5 months pregnant and the pressure - it's awful.

They tell me I'm fine. I've begun the diet and have a terrible time

trying not to cheat. I have an awful sweet tooth and always have.

But I'm trying sooo hard. I've been on Threelac and Fivelac and

really noticed an improvement in my joints and energy with that.

When the die-off starts I have gas soo bad and heartburn.

+++Bloating is caused by candida which produces carbon dioxide

(gas). Also candida sufferers can have other bacteria, along with

candida overgrowth, in their gut which also produce gas. So it is a

very common symptom to have.

I do not recommend taking Threelac or Fivelac - see this article that

explains why those products are not good:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/mn33.php

aving a sweet tooth is normal for all candida sufferers too, which is

caused by cravings. Eventually you will change your body over from

running on carbs/glucose so you won't have such cravings, but it

takes time and discipline in the meantime. Here's some ideas to help

you curb your cravings:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/help5.php

Please ensure you read " How to Successfully Overcome Candida "

and " Curing Candida, How to Get Started " (you should change over to

this program gradually to avoid getting constipated):

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/menu2_8.php

You should be starting on unrefined coconut oil as your only

antifungal along with starting on the diet and supplements.

For encouragement see the many Success Stories by members of this

group: http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/success/index.php

We are here to help and support you on your journey towards health.

The best to you, Bee

[Guest guest]

Thank you Bee, for the warm welcome. I am going to give your plan a real

try to beat this monster within me. My husband feels bad for me and gives

me his support but sometimes I wonder if he doesn't think I'm " batty " like

the Drs sometimes look at me when giving me the results of yet another test

that showed I am healthy. He doesn't understand what I feel inside my body

although he certainly tries to, bless his heart.

I've been spending time reading your articles. It's hard because I can't

see the whole page and the only way I can see it all is to print the article

which is ok because I've started a binder of your articles to read again and

again. I just don't know why I can't see the whole page online. Can't

adjust it to see it either.

Anyway, my question is in regards to the coconut oil. I've purchased some

extra virgin unrefined and made the egg drink, which incidentally, I love!

But, say you have to take some and you're at work. You can't cook it in a

protein there, etc. Do you just take a teaspoon full there? Right off the

spoon? Is that ok? I don't know how everyone takes theirs. I'll also

begin to make the electrolyte drink. I did try the mayonnaise but I had to

toss it - it was sooo bitter I just couldn't force myself to eat any.

I'm looking forward to my journey with all of you and thank you in advance

for your patience and help in my quest.

God bless,

Christie

[Guest guest]

> I've been spending time reading your articles. It's hard because I can't

> see the whole page and the only way I can see it all is to print the article

> which is ok because I've started a binder of your articles to read again and

> again. I just don't know why I can't see the whole page online. Can't

> adjust it to see it either.

***Hi Christie:

You should be able to read a page at a time. Does Bee's site take up the

entire width of

your screen? It should. If not, you can increase the size of the page by

dragging the

corners outward. Does this help?

>

> Anyway, my question is in regards to the coconut oil. I've purchased some

> extra virgin unrefined and made the egg drink, which incidentally, I love!

> But, say you have to take some and you're at work. You can't cook it in a

> protein there, etc. Do you just take a teaspoon full there?

**** You can swallow coconut oil right off the spoon, you can have it in an egg

drink you

bring in a thermos, you can pour it over food you have prepared for lunch.

Since you are

just starting, be sure to start with a small daily amount of coconut oil and

increase

gradually every five days.

I'll also

> begin to make the electrolyte drink.

**** Great. It's very important for minerals and it's helps the adrenals stay

healthy.

I did try the mayonnaise but I had to

> toss it - it was sooo bitter I just couldn't force myself to eat any.

*** It shouldn't be bitter. Could you look over the recipe to double check your

ingredients? Let us know how you made it and maybe we can figure the problem

out.

>

> I'm looking forward to my journey with all of you and thank you in advance

> for your patience and help in my quest.

Welcome. Christie....this is a great group!

All the best,

Marissa

[Guest guest]

Hi There,

Welcome to our group! We follow Bee's program for natural health and

healing. It's as much a healing program as it is a candida program.

You should have been sent some articles when you joined this forum,

but if not here are some articles to get you started:

-How to Successfully Overcome Candida

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/intro2.php

-Curing Candida, How to Get Started

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/intro1.php

The best way to heal yourself is to read and understand how this

process works so that you can incorporate it into your life.

For some motivation and inspiration, check out the Success Stories

from many of this group's members:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/success/index.php

After you've read, please get back to us with any questions you might

have. We're here to help!

PS - could you sign your posts with a name so we can keep everyone

straight? It's hard to remember people by their email address. Thanks!

>

> hi ,please i want to know more about this disease..tell me any thing

> about it ...i will be waiting ....thanks

>

[Guest guest]

>

> I need to know if I can eat two things, agave nectar and the coffee

> nescafe protect.

No, agave nectar is too high in carbohydrates and is not allowed on the program.

The only sweetener allowed is stevia - green leaf stevia is preferred. However,

some people react to it, so it is not recommended for everyone.

No, regular coffee is not allowed on the program, because of the caffeine. This

product that you mentioned has caffeine. The only coffee allowed is swiss water

process decaf.

Did you read the list of foods that are not allowed on the program:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/foods50.php

Lis

[Guest guest]

>

> I'm want to start an anticandida diet . . .

Hi there. Welcome to our group. What is your name please?

Please ensure you read 2 important articles: How to Successfully Overcome

Candida and Curing Candida, How to Get Started:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/candida/index.php

For encouragement see these Success Stories:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/success/index.php

The best in health, Bee

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi:

>

> I have an outbreak of yeast on my face. I have been using neem on it. It has

helped some areas but one area appears quite stubborn. Is there anything you

can recommend for removing yeast infection on my face?

>

+++Hi . If you have an outbreak on your face, even though it may be

yeast related, it is actually toxins coming out through your skin. It often

indicates you have candida/yeast overgrowth in other areas, so it cannot be

cured by treating it directly. The reason is because you wouldn't get that kind

of skin problem if your immune system were strong.

The only way to improve health is to build up your immune system, mainly with

proper nutrients your body requires in order to heal itself and keep itself

healthy.

I suggest you take the Candida Questionnaire to see if you have it:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/intro3.php

If you do read two important articles:

-How to Successfully Overcome Candida

-Curing Candida, How to Get Started

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/candida/index.php

However, even if you do not have candida this program is a healing program that

improves anyone's health, as proved by members of this group with their Success

Stories: http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/success/index.php

The best antifungal is unrefined coconut oil, which is started at small doses

and only gradually increased so that healing symptoms aren't too severe - it is

explained in the candida articles above. After a person is able to take 6 tbsp.

of it per day, they add one of the other recommended antifungals, i.e. raw

garlic, oil of oregano or clove oil.

By the way caprylic acid is derived from coconut oil, so instead of a processed

product take the real thing, which provides so many other health benefits in

addition to being antifungal.

The best in health, Bee

[Guest guest]

>

> What actually kills candida- olive leaf extract or caprylic acid?

>

> ..

+++Please read my reply to your previous message.

Cheers, Bee

[Guest guest]

Hi Sammie,

I am much older than you, but also have a young family and have had surgery on

L3-L4 some 7 years ago and am now waiting to go in on 02/06/09 for discectomy

and laminectomy for herniated disc L4-L5 and spinal stenosis.

I have been 'suffering' with this last bout of sciatica and backpain for 1 year

and thought that was long enough, have you really not had surgery offered for 4

years?

Did they really not take you in as emergency when you had the symptoms you

describe? I understood from my last time in hospital that with obvious loss of

bladder or bowel control that an operation would be done immediately as an

emergency, i was sent in for one mention of bladder weakness and had the

neurosurgeon who saw my scans had his way (he was not my own consultant who was

on holiday) I would have been operated there and then in case of major long-term

nerve damage.

To have left you in that state is not a good thing at all.

I live in Norfolk, but I think you will find that most group members are from

the states as i have not seen evidence of many english members, at least since I

started following here a month or so ago.

I have just been bumped for surgery last week (14/05) for another emergency so

have to wait till June, but happy to talk if I can be any help.

.

>

> Just thought I'd say hello and introduce myself, I'm Sammie, 23 and living in

somerset, i am married and have two daughters (2 and a half and 8 months). I

have degenerative disc disease, and sciatica (due to nerve and canal damage)

which i have been suffering with for 5 years.

>

> I'm hoping to meet people who know what living with this is like, and

hopefully find other people my age who have spinal problems too (my spinal

surgeon told me its rare at the age i was when i was diagnosed)

>

> I have been through many types of treatment (physio, injections, medication,

acupuncture, etc) and had been booked for surgery in 2004/2005 until my symptoms

changed, ie; numbness, loss of bladder control, and (unusual due to the location

of the damage) speech problems (saying one thing but it comes out as something

different)

>

> I still don't know how it all started but i was kneeling down tidying and my

left knee went pop followed by the sciatica then within a month the pain spread

into the back.

>

> On my first MRI in 2005 it showed a herniated disc at L4 and nerve

compression, then in 2007 it showed herniated L4 and L5 but no compression and

at my last one in Jan 2009 it showed herniated L3 L4 L5 and significant nerve

compression and damage to the spinal canal wall.

>

> I am currently waiting to see someone at frenchay in June to find out where to

go next. I had been under the spinal team at musgrove in taunton but after 4

years of them doing nothing i asked for a second opinion.

>

> I look forward to hearing from anyone who wants to chat.

> Sammie

>

[Guest guest]

That's what a lot of people say, but i think the doctors are reluctant to

operate in case it makes it worse and they don't know really what to do. The

only thing i have been told is if i lose control of my bowels they will do an

emergency operation. Ever since i was diagnosed my symptoms haven't been what

you'd expect for the damage, and so there is no cure at the moment, but i am

hoping there will be one soon, if not a cure then something to help. The only

treatment which is being tested at the moment is stem cell treatment in the US

but that's still early days yet.

[Guest guest]

Sammie,

 

What state do you live in ?

 

--- in RI

From: sammieporter93 <sammie_jefferies@...>

Subject: Hi

spinal problems

Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 5:16 PM

Just thought I'd say hello and introduce myself, I'm Sammie, 23 and living in

somerset, i am married and have two daughters (2 and a half and 8 months). I

have degenerative disc disease, and sciatica (due to nerve and canal damage)

which i have been suffering with for 5 years.

I'm hoping to meet people who know what living with this is like, and hopefully

find other people my age who have spinal problems too (my spinal surgeon told me

its rare at the age i was when i was diagnosed)

I have been through many types of treatment (physio, injections, medication,

acupuncture, etc) and had been booked for surgery in 2004/2005 until my symptoms

changed, ie; numbness, loss of bladder control, and (unusual due to the location

of the damage) speech problems (saying one thing but it comes out as something

different)

I still don't know how it all started but i was kneeling down tidying and my

left knee went pop followed by the sciatica then within a month the pain spread

into the back.

On my first MRI in 2005 it showed a herniated disc at L4 and nerve compression,

then in 2007 it showed herniated L4 and L5 but no compression and at my last one

in Jan 2009 it showed herniated L3 L4 L5 and significant nerve compression and

damage to the spinal canal wall.

I am currently waiting to see someone at frenchay in June to find out where to

go next. I had been under the spinal team at musgrove in taunton but after 4

years of them doing nothing i asked for a second opinion.

I look forward to hearing from anyone who wants to chat.

Sammie

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Welcome to Bee's group!

You can ask your questions here on this forum or you can try to look up the

answer yourself by doing a search either on Bee's website or a search of the

archived messages.

If you have personal questions you don't wish to share with others, Bee does

private consultations for a fee.

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/consult.php

Hopefully that helps!

>

> I am new to this website, and have a few questions about candida from someone

who beat it. I am about to start an antifungal for the first time in my life,

and am tryin to do the restricted diet to the best of my ability. Please email

me at azanni182@...

> Thank you so much!

>

>

> -

>

[Guest guest]

>

> I am new to this website, and have a few questions about candida from someone

who beat it. I am about to start an antifungal for the first time in my life,

and am tryin to do the restricted diet to the best of my ability. Please email

me at azanni182@...

> Thank you so much!

>

+++Hi . Welcome to our group. We don't email you separately; your

settings on this group determine whether you receive the Group's individual

emails or a Daily Digest by email.

It is important that you read 2 main articles on my website so you know what to

do and why:

1) How To Successfully Overcome Candida

2) Curing Candida, How to Get Started

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/candida/index.php

For encouragement see these Success Stories by members of this group:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/success/index.php

The best in health, Bee

[Guest guest]

I live in the uk

>

>

> From: sammieporter93 <sammie_jefferies@...>

> Subject: Hi

> spinal problems

> Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 5:16 PM

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Just thought I'd say hello and introduce myself, I'm Sammie, 23 and living in

somerset, i am married and have two daughters (2 and a half and 8 months). I

have degenerative disc disease, and sciatica (due to nerve and canal damage)

which i have been suffering with for 5 years.

>

> I'm hoping to meet people who know what living with this is like, and

hopefully find other people my age who have spinal problems too (my spinal

surgeon told me its rare at the age i was when i was diagnosed)

>

> I have been through many types of treatment (physio, injections, medication,

acupuncture, etc) and had been booked for surgery in 2004/2005 until my symptoms

changed, ie; numbness, loss of bladder control, and (unusual due to the location

of the damage) speech problems (saying one thing but it comes out as something

different)

>

> I still don't know how it all started but i was kneeling down tidying and my

left knee went pop followed by the sciatica then within a month the pain spread

into the back.

>

> On my first MRI in 2005 it showed a herniated disc at L4 and nerve

compression, then in 2007 it showed herniated L4 and L5 but no compression and

at my last one in Jan 2009 it showed herniated L3 L4 L5 and significant nerve

compression and damage to the spinal canal wall.

>

> I am currently waiting to see someone at frenchay in June to find out where to

go next. I had been under the spinal team at musgrove in taunton but after 4

years of them doing nothing i asked for a second opinion.

>

> I look forward to hearing from anyone who wants to chat.

> Sammie

>

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>

>

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>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

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that are interested.

I just uploaded a new support group about the fasting and cleansing protocols

downloaded 17 files for the ones that are interested in joining and even if you

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to you joining at

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