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In a message dated 10/31/99 7:57:20 AM Central Standard Time,

MogdrMom@... writes:

<< Edith: i took the Oreganol Oil on a rotation & it was a monitored

ammount.

i really liked it, It is the North American brand, i got it from my

internet

Dr. i am not taking it now, am done with that phase. I still use it for my

massages thou. Mogdrmom

>>

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

was it the $23 or $75. I ask this because the strengths are different not the

amount in bottle.

Edith

[Guest guest]

Thanks so much for the information about toxidiity in natural products. You

mentioned a product called Mannatech. Could you please send more info or a

website, etc. to read about it?

I don't take any other medications but also I don't want something that could

harm me either. What products did you take for your candida?

thanks

brenda

[Guest guest]

Mogdrmom

I went back over the posts on candida after realizing the acidophilis quit

working after six days and got very interested in the rotation program. As I

stated in an earlier post I am now taking the yeast cleans for four days and

then switching to another one and so on.

I asked my doctor for a test for candida over six months ago and she said

there isn't one. Are you seeing a regular doctor or a specialist?

I would like to learn more about the tests to see how I am doing on the

program. I am also very concerned it is in my blood also and have to admit

this does scare me a little. Having tests to verify my progess would give me

a lot of peace of mind.

Thanks again for your time and info

brenda

[Guest guest]

There was a study done by a leading immunologist, Dr. Darryl See, M.D. when

he was at the University of California, IRVINE--over a 6 year period he

tested over 200 ingredients and popular supplement products for 6 different

categories. Three were for toxicity and drug interactions and 3 were for

natural killer cell function, anti-viral and antioxidant function.

The study was published by the American Nutraceutical Association in Jan of

1999--I had to opportunity to hear this Doctor speak and visit with him and

he had lots of information. He has a website about his anti-aging book just

out--I'll try to locate it and send it to you. I know he was very concerned

about the colloidal mineral and silver products because there is so much bad

stuff out there, even being made out of coins and stuff-he was very

cautious. The flavanoids he names are pycnogenols, pine bark extracts,

grape seed and grapefruit see extracts, noni juice, OPCs etc. He said these

could have drug interactions that could be very harmful--

The antioxidants he tested with no side effects were garlic extract,

Mannatech's Ambrotose and Phytaloe and the Manapol aloe that is in the

Mannatech products. By the way, he had never heard of Mannatech when he

started this study in 1992. Mannatech didn't have Ambrotose until 1996.

these products also tested highest in the natural killer cell function and

anti viral and anti fungal.

----------

>From: Es9525@...

>candidiasisonelist

>Subject: Re: RE: new member

>Date: Sun, Oct 31, 1999, 7:08 AM

>

> From: Es9525@...

>

> ....would like to know where you got this info...especially about oregano

> and grapefruit seed. Thanks abunch...Edith

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> In a message dated 10/31/99 12:38:26 AM Central Daylight Time,

> njones@... writes:

>

> << From: " " <njones@...>

>

> Oil of Oregano can be very toxic! Research has shown it to have drug

> interactions and can interfere with the liver's ability to process certain

> medications, hormones and other things--(grapefruit seed and other flavanoid

> products all have shown the same potential toxicity)

>

> Garlic is very safe, is a powerful antioxidant and should have no side

> affects. Most people don't realize that so many herbs and things we think

> of as natural may be harmful long term and with certain meds may be very

> harmful.

>

> Do you know that no one monitors the purity and potency of anything sold as

> food supplements? I alwways thought FDA or someone was out there watching,

> but it is not so. Hundreds of things out there have no value whatsoever,

> and may vary from batch to batch in potency. Very little research has been

> done on most of them. Most common herbs do have theraputic uses, but still

> may have problems.

>

> Colloidal silver has also been shown to have toxicity--and so much of it is

> not standardized and not purity standards have been set for it.

>

>

>

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There was a study done by a leading immunologist, Dr. Darryl See, M.D. when

he was at the University of California, IRVINE--over a 6 year period he

tested over 200 ingredients and popular supplement products for 6 different

categories. Three were for toxicity and drug interactions and 3 were for

natural killer cell function, anti-viral and antioxidant function.

The study was published by the American Nutraceutical Association in Jan of

1999--I had to opportunity to hear this Doctor speak and visit with him and

he had lots of information. He has a website about his anti-aging book just

out--I'll try to locate it and send it to you. I know he was very concerned

about the colloidal mineral and silver products because there is so much bad

stuff out there, even being made out of coins and stuff-he was very

cautious. The flavanoids he names are pycnogenols, pine bark extracts,

grape seed and grapefruit seed extracts, noni juice, OPCs etc. He said

these

could have drug interactions that could be very harmful--

The antioxidants he tested with no side effects were garlic extract,

Mannatech's Ambrotose and Phytaloe and the Manapol aloe that is in the

Mannatech products. By the way, he had never heard of Mannatech when he

started this study in 1992. Mannatech didn't have Ambrotose until 1996.

these products also tested highest in the natural killer cell function and

anti viral and anti fungal.

----------

>From: Es9525@...

>candidiasisonelist

>Subject: Re: RE: new member

>Date: Sun, Oct 31, 1999, 7:08 AM

>

> From: Es9525@...

>

> ....would like to know where you got this info...especially about oregano

> and grapefruit seed. Thanks abunch...Edith

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> In a message dated 10/31/99 12:38:26 AM Central Daylight Time,

> njones@... writes:

>

> << From: " " <njones@...>

>

> Oil of Oregano can be very toxic! Research has shown it to have drug

> interactions and can interfere with the liver's ability to process certain

> medications, hormones and other things--(grapefruit seed and other flavanoid

> products all have shown the same potential toxicity)

>

> Garlic is very safe, is a powerful antioxidant and should have no side

> affects. Most people don't realize that so many herbs and things we think

> of as natural may be harmful long term and with certain meds may be very

> harmful.

>

> Do you know that no one monitors the purity and potency of anything sold as

> food supplements? I alwways thought FDA or someone was out there watching,

> but it is not so. Hundreds of things out there have no value whatsoever,

> and may vary from batch to batch in potency. Very little research has been

> done on most of them. Most common herbs do have theraputic uses, but still

> may have problems.

>

> Colloidal silver has also been shown to have toxicity--and so much of it is

> not standardized and not purity standards have been set for it.

>

>

>

> > _

>

> Subscription URL: /subscribe.cgi/candidiasis

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,

What is his web site?

Edith

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

In a message dated 10/31/99 3:22:29 PM Central Standard Time,

njones@... writes:

<< From: " " <njones@...>

There was a study done by a leading immunologist, Dr. Darryl See, M.D. when

he was at the University of California, IRVINE--over a 6 year period he

tested over 200 ingredients and popular supplement products for 6 different

categories. Three were for toxicity and drug interactions and 3 were for

natural killer cell function, anti-viral and antioxidant function.

The study was published by the American Nutraceutical Association in Jan of

1999--I had to opportunity to hear this Doctor speak and visit with him and

he had lots of information. He has a website about his anti-aging book just

out--I'll try to locate it and send it to you. I know he was very concerned

about the colloidal mineral and silver products because there is so much bad

stuff out there, even being made out of coins and stuff-he was very

cautious. The flavanoids he names are pycnogenols, pine bark extracts,

grape seed and grapefruit seed extracts, noni juice, OPCs etc. He said

these

could have drug interactions that could be very harmful--

The antioxidants he tested with no side effects were garlic extract,

Mannatech's Ambrotose and Phytaloe and the Manapol aloe that is in the

Mannatech products. By the way, he had never heard of Mannatech when he

started this study in 1992. Mannatech didn't have Ambrotose until 1996.

these products also tested highest in the natural killer cell function and

anti viral and anti fungal.

----------

>From: Es9525@...

>candidiasisonelist

>Subject: Re: RE: new member

>Date: Sun, Oct 31, 1999, 7:08 AM

>

> From: Es9525@...

>

> ....would like to know where you got this info...especially about

oregano

> and grapefruit seed. Thanks abunch...Edith

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> In a message dated 10/31/99 12:38:26 AM Central Daylight Time,

> njones@... writes:

>

> << From: " " <njones@...>

>

> Oil of Oregano can be very toxic! Research has shown it to have drug

> interactions and can interfere with the liver's ability to process certain

> medications, hormones and other things--(grapefruit seed and other

flavanoid

> products all have shown the same potential toxicity)

>

> Garlic is very safe, is a powerful antioxidant and should have no side

> affects. Most people don't realize that so many herbs and things we think

> of as natural may be harmful long term and with certain meds may be very

> harmful.

>

> Do you know that no one monitors the purity and potency of anything sold

as

> food supplements? I alwways thought FDA or someone was out there

watching,

> but it is not so. Hundreds of things out there have no value whatsoever,

> and may vary from batch to batch in potency. Very little research has

been

> done on most of them. Most common herbs do have theraputic uses, but

still

> may have problems.

>

> Colloidal silver has also been shown to have toxicity--and so much of it

is

> not standardized and not purity standards have been set for it.

>

>

>

> > _

>

[Guest guest]

Wow ,

You have quiet alot goinging on. I'm curious as to what you eat, there's so

much you can't eat.

Edith

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~In a message dated

10/31/99 6:01:54 PM Central Standard Time, njones@... writes:

<< I take a lot of DDS Acidophilus by UAS brand (I get it at my healthfood

coop) and I take the Ambrotose (which helps the body's cell to cell

communication. It also has been shown to have a good kill rate with yeast.

I also take the phytonutrients called Phytaloe since I can't digest raw

foods because of my new-style plumbing (the food goes through my system in

about an hour to 2 hours and raw food can't be absorbed in that time.) I

also take a product called Plus which supports the function on my entire

endrocine system. My adrenal and thyroid function has been messed up

because of the massive prednisone therapy for the ulcerative colitus. >>

[Guest guest]

I have fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue and of course after being on so many

antibiotics, lots of candida was evident.

I have an ileostomy from ulcerative colitus which started this whole mess 12

years ago, so I have no large intestine.

I take a lot of DDS Acidophilus by UAS brand (I get it at my healthfood

coop) and I take the Ambrotose (which helps the body's cell to cell

communication. It also has been shown to have a good kill rate with yeast.

I also take the phytonutrients called Phytaloe since I can't digest raw

foods because of my new-style plumbing (the food goes through my system in

about an hour to 2 hours and raw food can't be absorbed in that time.) I

also take a product called Plus which supports the function on my entire

endrocine system. My adrenal and thyroid function has been messed up

because of the massive prednisone therapy for the ulcerative colitus. So

that helps my body produce the right hormones by providing it with the

nutrients that act as the raw material for the body to use to make the 80

some hormones it makes. I don't take estrogen or thyroid now and do

wonderfully.

The products working on the candida was a great side benefit, because once

my body;s immune systems beganto function more normally, it can work on

eliminating the yeast. I have had periods of time where the yeast actually

came out through my skin. I developed several spots, some the size of an

orange that itched and was annoying, but after a couple of weeks just went

away. While they were active I had my doctor culture them, because he

thought it was an active yeast outbreak, but the cultures did not grow--the

yeast was dead and was just my body getting rid of it through the skin. I

have a massage therapist, and during these times--no rhyme or reason that

they break out, I'll go in and have her use her steam table to help my body

cleanse more effectively. I also bathe in hot water with a bottle of 3%

hydrogen peroxide added to it, which also helps get the stuff out beneath

the skin.

I also religiously drink distilled water. The old myths that it is dead

water and harmful are just that. There is so much junk, including residual

prescription drugs in our drinking water, even with reverse osmosis, we

drink more of it than we should. Those toxins also kill the good bacteria

in our systems. By using the distilled water, and taking a lot of

acidophilus to help re-colonize my GI tract with good bacteria, along with

the Mannatech products, I just don't have anymore symptoms of candida and I

didn't have to jump through a lot of dietary hoops and weird things. I

maintain a low glycemic diet, because I am finally getting rid of the fat

the prednisone put on my body--and the low glycemic is the only thing that

has worked for me in 12 years of dieting. I avoid any processed and box mix

foods, frozen dinners etc. I also avoid MSG like the plague. It is so

abundant in everything--all seasoning, sauces, gravies, breading coatings,

soups, etc. They hide it now under the term " natural flavorings "

Sites you might want to visit for information.

Drugs in Our Drinking Water <www.nugentreport.com>

<www.mannapages.com/addesign> my website about Mannatech products

<www.glycoscience.com> is now under construction, but you can visit the site

and see what kinds of things they will be having.

If you need more information--email me. I'd be happy to send you a copy of

the research done on candida and Ambrotose.

----------

>From: 1005@...

>candidiasisonelist

>Subject: Re: RE: new member

>Date: Sun, Oct 31, 1999, 4:37 PM

>

> From: 1005@...

>

>

>

> Thanks so much for the information about toxidiity in natural products. You

> mentioned a product called Mannatech. Could you please send more info or a

> website, etc. to read about it?

>

> I don't take any other medications but also I don't want something that could

> harm me either. What products did you take for your candida?

>

> thanks

> brenda

>

> > _

>

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I eat lots of protein, most raw veggies, (even though they don't digest,

they give my mouth something to do and they taste good) like broccoli,

celery, radishes, green peas, and steamed green beans. sometimes I will

have corn or red potatoes or sweet potatoes. I usually have at least one

slice of organic whole wheat (I grind the wheat fresh) bread, or make it

into little mini buns and have a sandwich with that each day. I also get a

sprouted grain bread called Ezekiel Bread that is much higher protein than

regular bread. I can eat good cheese ( I also get the organic cheese from my

food coop which is from cows who aren't treated with hormones and

antibiotics) ,peanut butter (organic) peanuts, almonds, walnuts, steel cut

rolled oats, whole wheat pasta (not overcooked). I am allergic to fruit

pectin, so I don't have fruits in my diet--I just get the phytonutrients

from them in the Phytaloe. I do get some wonderful vegetable juice called

Very Veggie (also from my food coop-but they have it at most health food

stores) that puts V-8 to shame. I have to take extra foodform vitamin C

(this is not ascorbic acid, but full food matrix vitamin C from Citrus

extracts) and i also take additional foodform minerals (also taken from food

instead of inorganic rocks and chemicals) because I can't get much from the

food. I also have a soy intolerance so I have to eat real butter and eggs,

and I use a whey milk and whey protein powder to cook with. I can have

occasional good ice cream (the stuff made with real milk, eggs, cream, etc.)

I have become an avid label reader and find it only takes me about 15

minutes to grocery shop because I don't buy most of what is in the store. I

can have thin crust pizza loaded with meat and cheese--what fun! I just

make sure I eat until I am almost, but not quite, full.

For the first time in many years I feel like I am free of the bondage of

food addictions and sugar--which I know made my immune system worse.

Rarely, I will have a Coke or Root Beer (if I am somewhere that the water is

rank and from the tap, like a restaurant)

I feel incredible and am out enjoying life and sharing what I have found

with others who need to know about it. I will drive 2 hours tomorrow to do

an educational meeting about the research with Mannatech. I just got back

from a week training trip through Oklahoma, Arkansas and Missouri.

I listen to my body when it says it is tired, and rest, then get up rarin'

to go again.

----------

>From: Es9525@...

>candidiasisonelist

>Subject: Re: RE: new member

>Date: Sun, Oct 31, 1999, 9:24 PM

>

> From: Es9525@...

>

> Wow ,

> You have quiet alot goinging on. I'm curious as to what you eat, there's so

> much you can't eat.

> Edith

>

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~In a message dated

> 10/31/99 6:01:54 PM Central Standard Time, njones@... writes:

>

> << I take a lot of DDS Acidophilus by UAS brand (I get it at my healthfood

> coop) and I take the Ambrotose (which helps the body's cell to cell

> communication. It also has been shown to have a good kill rate with yeast.

> I also take the phytonutrients called Phytaloe since I can't digest raw

> foods because of my new-style plumbing (the food goes through my system in

> about an hour to 2 hours and raw food can't be absorbed in that time.) I

> also take a product called Plus which supports the function on my entire

> endrocine system. My adrenal and thyroid function has been messed up

> because of the massive prednisone therapy for the ulcerative colitus. >>

>

> > _

>

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[Guest guest]

Here are a couple of sites for Dr. See. I am having trouble locating all my

archives. Lightning hit our house and killed my computer a while back and I

have lost a lot of my files. I'll keep looking.

You can go to MedLine at <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/PubMed/> to find all

of

Dr. See's articles. Just enter " See DM " in the search field or you can go

directly to the article below.

The in vitro immunomodulatory effects of glyconutrients on peripheral blood

mononuclear cells of patients with chronic fatigue syndrome:

<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/htbin-post/Entrez/query?uid=9829439 & form=6 & db=m

& Do

pt=b>

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>From: Es9525@...

>candidiasisonelist

>Subject: Re: RE: new member

>Date: Sun, Oct 31, 1999, 9:17 PM

>

> From: Es9525@...

>

> ,

> What is his web site?

>

> Edith

>

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> In a message dated 10/31/99 3:22:29 PM Central Standard Time,

> njones@... writes:

>

> << From: " " <njones@...>

>

> There was a study done by a leading immunologist, Dr. Darryl See, M.D. when

> he was at the University of California, IRVINE--over a 6 year period he

> tested over 200 ingredients and popular supplement products for 6 different

> categories. Three were for toxicity and drug interactions and 3 were for

> natural killer cell function, anti-viral and antioxidant function.

>

> The study was published by the American Nutraceutical Association in Jan of

> 1999--I had to opportunity to hear this Doctor speak and visit with him and

> he had lots of information. He has a website about his anti-aging book just

> out--I'll try to locate it and send it to you. I know he was very concerned

> about the colloidal mineral and silver products because there is so much bad

> stuff out there, even being made out of coins and stuff-he was very

> cautious. The flavanoids he names are pycnogenols, pine bark extracts,

> grape seed and grapefruit seed extracts, noni juice, OPCs etc. He said

> these

> could have drug interactions that could be very harmful--

>

> The antioxidants he tested with no side effects were garlic extract,

> Mannatech's Ambrotose and Phytaloe and the Manapol aloe that is in the

> Mannatech products. By the way, he had never heard of Mannatech when he

> started this study in 1992. Mannatech didn't have Ambrotose until 1996.

>

> these products also tested highest in the natural killer cell function and

> anti viral and anti fungal.

>

> ----------

> >From: Es9525@...

> >candidiasisonelist

> >Subject: Re: RE: new member

> >Date: Sun, Oct 31, 1999, 7:08 AM

> >

>

> > From: Es9525@...

> >

> > ....would like to know where you got this info...especially about

> oregano

> > and grapefruit seed. Thanks abunch...Edith

> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> > In a message dated 10/31/99 12:38:26 AM Central Daylight Time,

> > njones@... writes:

> >

> > << From: " " <njones@...>

> >

> > Oil of Oregano can be very toxic! Research has shown it to have drug

> > interactions and can interfere with the liver's ability to process certain

> > medications, hormones and other things--(grapefruit seed and other

> flavanoid

> > products all have shown the same potential toxicity)

> >

> > Garlic is very safe, is a powerful antioxidant and should have no side

> > affects. Most people don't realize that so many herbs and things we think

> > of as natural may be harmful long term and with certain meds may be very

> > harmful.

> >

> > Do you know that no one monitors the purity and potency of anything sold

> as

> > food supplements? I alwways thought FDA or someone was out there

> watching,

> > but it is not so. Hundreds of things out there have no value whatsoever,

> > and may vary from batch to batch in potency. Very little research has

> been

> > done on most of them. Most common herbs do have theraputic uses, but

> still

> > may have problems.

>

> >

> > Colloidal silver has also been shown to have toxicity--and so much of it

> is

> > not standardized and not purity standards have been set for it.

> >

> >

> >

> > > _

> >

>

>

> > _

>

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[Guest guest]

,

I have used Mannatech products but guess I didn't stay on them long enough

to make a difference. Didn't realize ambertose would help candida. Maybe I

need to try it again.

Edith

PS I'm happy for your new life.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~In a message

dated 10/31/99 10:40:43 PM Central Standard Time, njones@... writes:

<< From: " " <njones@...>

I eat lots of protein, most raw veggies, (even though they don't digest,

they give my mouth something to do and they taste good) like broccoli,

celery, radishes, green peas, and steamed green beans. sometimes I will

have corn or red potatoes or sweet potatoes. I usually have at least one

slice of organic whole wheat (I grind the wheat fresh) bread, or make it

into little mini buns and have a sandwich with that each day. I also get a

sprouted grain bread called Ezekiel Bread that is much higher protein than

regular bread. I can eat good cheese ( I also get the organic cheese from my

food coop which is from cows who aren't treated with hormones and

antibiotics) ,peanut butter (organic) peanuts, almonds, walnuts, steel cut

rolled oats, whole wheat pasta (not overcooked). I am allergic to fruit

pectin, so I don't have fruits in my diet--I just get the phytonutrients

from them in the Phytaloe. I do get some wonderful vegetable juice called

Very Veggie (also from my food coop-but they have it at most health food

stores) that puts V-8 to shame. I have to take extra foodform vitamin C

(this is not ascorbic acid, but full food matrix vitamin C from Citrus

extracts) and i also take additional foodform minerals (also taken from food

instead of inorganic rocks and chemicals) because I can't get much from the

food. I also have a soy intolerance so I have to eat real butter and eggs,

and I use a whey milk and whey protein powder to cook with. I can have

occasional good ice cream (the stuff made with real milk, eggs, cream, etc.)

I have become an avid label reader and find it only takes me about 15

minutes to grocery shop because I don't buy most of what is in the store. I

can have thin crust pizza loaded with meat and cheese--what fun! I just

make sure I eat until I am almost, but not quite, full.

For the first time in many years I feel like I am free of the bondage of

food addictions and sugar--which I know made my immune system worse.

Rarely, I will have a Coke or Root Beer (if I am somewhere that the water is

rank and from the tap, like a restaurant)

I feel incredible and am out enjoying life and sharing what I have found

with others who need to know about it. I will drive 2 hours tomorrow to do

an educational meeting about the research with Mannatech. I just got back

from a week training trip through Oklahoma, Arkansas and Missouri.

I listen to my body when it says it is tired, and rest, then get up rarin'

to go again.

----------

>From: Es9525@...

>candidiasisonelist

>Subject: Re: RE: new member

>Date: Sun, Oct 31, 1999, 9:24 PM

>

> From: Es9525@...

>

> Wow ,

> You have quiet alot goinging on. I'm curious as to what you eat, there's

so

> much you can't eat.

> Edith

>

>

[Guest guest]

what is a bolus--sorry to sound ignorant

[Guest guest]

It takes a while--and for Heaven sake--get your upline to help you

understand what a wonderful thing you have! The bulk Ambrotose is very cost

effective and should be used liberally. The study that is in the Proceedings

(the blue one) indicates that the kill rate is greater with increased amount

of Ambrotose. (To avoid toxic problems during the kill, Manna Cleanse,

additional Acidophilus and peroxide baths can help)

If you truly understand what you have for immune support with Mannatech, you

will never be without it. Good luck and happy hunting! (yeast that is!)

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>From: Es9525@...

>candidiasisonelist

>Subject: Re: RE: new member

>Date: Mon, Nov 1, 1999, 6:05 AM

>

> From: Es9525@...

>

> ,

> I have used Mannatech products but guess I didn't stay on them long enough

> to make a difference. Didn't realize ambertose would help candida. Maybe I

> need to try it again.

> Edith

> PS I'm happy for your new life.

>

>

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~In a message

> dated 10/31/99 10:40:43 PM Central Standard Time, njones@... writes:

>

> << From: " " <njones@...>

>

> I eat lots of protein, most raw veggies, (even though they don't digest,

> they give my mouth something to do and they taste good) like broccoli,

> celery, radishes, green peas, and steamed green beans. sometimes I will

> have corn or red potatoes or sweet potatoes. I usually have at least one

> slice of organic whole wheat (I grind the wheat fresh) bread, or make it

> into little mini buns and have a sandwich with that each day. I also get a

> sprouted grain bread called Ezekiel Bread that is much higher protein than

> regular bread. I can eat good cheese ( I also get the organic cheese from my

> food coop which is from cows who aren't treated with hormones and

> antibiotics) ,peanut butter (organic) peanuts, almonds, walnuts, steel cut

> rolled oats, whole wheat pasta (not overcooked). I am allergic to fruit

> pectin, so I don't have fruits in my diet--I just get the phytonutrients

> from them in the Phytaloe. I do get some wonderful vegetable juice called

> Very Veggie (also from my food coop-but they have it at most health food

> stores) that puts V-8 to shame. I have to take extra foodform vitamin C

> (this is not ascorbic acid, but full food matrix vitamin C from Citrus

> extracts) and i also take additional foodform minerals (also taken from food

> instead of inorganic rocks and chemicals) because I can't get much from the

> food. I also have a soy intolerance so I have to eat real butter and eggs,

> and I use a whey milk and whey protein powder to cook with. I can have

> occasional good ice cream (the stuff made with real milk, eggs, cream, etc.)

> I have become an avid label reader and find it only takes me about 15

> minutes to grocery shop because I don't buy most of what is in the store. I

> can have thin crust pizza loaded with meat and cheese--what fun! I just

> make sure I eat until I am almost, but not quite, full.

>

> For the first time in many years I feel like I am free of the bondage of

> food addictions and sugar--which I know made my immune system worse.

> Rarely, I will have a Coke or Root Beer (if I am somewhere that the water is

> rank and from the tap, like a restaurant)

>

> I feel incredible and am out enjoying life and sharing what I have found

> with others who need to know about it. I will drive 2 hours tomorrow to do

> an educational meeting about the research with Mannatech. I just got back

> from a week training trip through Oklahoma, Arkansas and Missouri.

>

> I listen to my body when it says it is tired, and rest, then get up rarin'

>

> to go again.

>

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> >From: Es9525@...

> >candidiasisonelist

> >Subject: Re: RE: new member

> >Date: Sun, Oct 31, 1999, 9:24 PM

> >

>

> > From: Es9525@...

> >

> > Wow ,

> > You have quiet alot goinging on. I'm curious as to what you eat, there's

> so

> > much you can't eat.

> > Edith

> >

> >

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Edith,

I tried the Mannatech product as well and didn't experience any relief. I

can recommend d-LENOLATE olive leaf extract. I believe that my candida is

gone or almost gone after four months of 4-6 capsules a day. You can find

lots of information at www.otrecure.com There is a book by Dr. Morton

on olive leaf extract you should read that is filled with case studies and

testimonials.

Hope you find this helpful.

Re: RE: new member

> >Date: Sun, Oct 31, 1999, 9:24 PM

> >

>

> > From: Es9525@...

> >

> > Wow ,

> > You have quiet alot goinging on. I'm curious as to what you eat,

there's

> so

> > much you can't eat.

> > Edith

> >

> >

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>I also get a

>sprouted grain bread called Ezekiel Bread that is much higher protein than

>regular bread.

Not only does Ezekiel Bread have more protein than regular bread, but my

naturopath said that your body treats the sprouted wheat differently than it

does regular wheat. It's better for a person with candidiasis than whole wheat

bread. On a side note, it tastes really good when you put it in the

microwave--yum yum!

Ali

foleyag@...

[Guest guest]

Yes Yes, and it is great toasted! Very crunchy and so good for you.

Because the flour in it is actually made from the sprouted grains which are

dried and then ground into flour, the whole composition of the bread

metabolism is different and is processed without stimulating the insulin.

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>From: Foley <foleyag@...>

>candidiasisonelist

>Subject: RE: RE: new member

>Date: Mon, Nov 1, 1999, 12:11 PM

>

> From: Foley <foleyag@...>

>

>>I also get a

>>sprouted grain bread called Ezekiel Bread that is much higher protein than

>>regular bread.

>

> Not only does Ezekiel Bread have more protein than regular bread, but my

> naturopath said that your body treats the sprouted wheat differently than it

> does regular wheat. It's better for a person with candidiasis than whole wheat

> bread. On a side note, it tastes really good when you put it in the

> microwave--yum yum!

> Ali

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YEAST INFECTION

Herbs Used: Cayenne, Garlic, White Oak Bark, Marshmallow, Mullein (all mixed

together and used as a bolus)

Other uses: Leuchorea, Vagina

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 11/1/99 10:01:47 AM Central Standard Time,

njones@... writes:

<< It takes a while--and for Heaven sake--get your upline to help you

understand what a wonderful thing you have! The bulk Ambrotose is very cost

effective and should be used liberally. The study that is in the Proceedings

(the blue one) indicates that the kill rate is greater with increased amount

of Ambrotose. (To avoid toxic problems during the kill, Manna Cleanse

additional Acidophilus and peroxide baths can help) >>

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Bulk Ambertose was what I was using but never thought it was very cost

effective at

$100 a whack.

Edith

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 11/1/99 10:28:14 AM Central Standard Time,

healthynut@... writes:

<< Edith,

I tried the Mannatech product as well and didn't experience any relief. I

can recommend d-LENOLATE olive leaf extract. I believe that my candida is

gone or almost gone after four months of 4-6 capsules a day. You can find

lots of information at www.otrecure.com There is a book by Dr. Morton

on olive leaf extract you should read that is filled with case studies and

testimonials.

Hope you find this helpful.

----- Original Message ----- >>

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Thanks ,

I have a very small book on Olive Leaf Extract but don't think it is the one

you have.

Edith

[Guest guest]

Lauri

I don't know that much about it but I do know that several women in our benzo

group have candida while or after going through withdrawal from klonopin,

xanax, etc.

While I was in withdrawal I wound up having one yeast infection after another

plus low blood sugar problems and sugar cravings. Some benzo symptoms

overlap with candida symptoms so we are thinking there is something there.

Hope this helps a little

brenda

[Guest guest]

,

I did not know there was a connection between yeast and klonopin. I have

been fighting yeast, but also take the klonopin for anxiety. Am I defeating

my purpose?

Lauri

Re: RE: new member

> From: 1005@...

>

> Mogdrmom

>

> Funny you should mention the rotation program. I was taking acidophilis

> starting 10/23/99 and yesterday it started to " quit " working. Today it

did

> nothing so I took the yeast cleanse (garlic, grapefruit seed extract,

> caprylic acid, tea tree oil, and pau d'arco tea).

>

> I had read that for some people the only way to get rid of candida is the

> rotation program. The same you suggested. Four days on and then four

days

> off. I read that candida can build up a tolerance very quickly and taking

> anything longer than four days is pretty much useless. I just started

> keeping a journal and will make sure I only take the current supplement

for

> four days. Question, do I take garlic alone, or go back to the

acidophilis?

> Not knowing this prior to taking the acidophilis for seven days and losing

> it's effectiveness I am wondering if it will work now.

>

> I am interested in the olive leaf oil because I want to add more candida

> killers to my list to offer a wider rotation. I also heard oil of oregano

is

> great for killing candida. Oh, and colloidal silver which sounds like it

has

> a lot of the same properties as the olive leaf oil. All seem to be used

as

> an antibiotic and great to kill off fungas.

>

> I realize I have a long way to go but I heard when the candida does die

off

> it is extremely important to take a parasite cleanse (killer) to get rid

of

> any other unhealthy parasites and prevent the candida from returning.

>

> This has been so very confusing but it looks like it is beginning to make

> some sense. I can only eat about a dozen items but I do notice when I

change

> to another product that for a day or two I can eat a little more. Make

any

> sense?

>

> One more thing, I read it is important to do bowel cleanses while killing

the

> yeast. I think this is right. From what I understand if I am taking the

> yeast cleanse I should do enemas using the same product.

>

> How is your candida fight going? Are you able to eat better or are you

still

> having problems with it? I know your other fungas problems are

disappearing

> but how about your general health and again the eating? I don't mind the

> candida diet at all but I can only eat a couple of items even from that

list.

>

> I belong to another onelist group for benzodiazepine withdrawal. Most of

us

> were put on xanax (klonopin, ativan, etc.) for anxiety/panic and were told

it

> was safe and not addictive. After fighting that long and terrible battle

> many of us are plagued with candida for some reason. I am at the point of

> attacking candida as aggresively as possible. I have been sick way too

long

> and want to know what it is to feel " normal " again.

>

> Thanks so much for taking the time to respond to all of my questions. All

of

> us working together is what is going to give us answers and help us regain

> our health.

>

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It is the equivalent of 10 bottles of capsules. The bulk allows you to take

more of it to get your system in balance sooner. How much does it cost to

take things that won't work? Of things that have harmful side affects?

Ambrotose does so much more for your body and there is nothing, absolutely

nothing else like it anywhere! To correct health problems, we have to start

at the cell level. Everything else is just another bandaid. When we

correct the cell to cell communication and enable the body to do what it was

intended to do--it is capable of all the healing--nothing out there will

cause your body to heal. Only it can do it. When we give it the raw

materials to do what it needs to do, it is divinely designed to do that.

If you got the bulk on an auto order you save an additional 10%.

[Guest guest]

Just to add to what has said:

What is the real cost of free illness? Is free sickness a bargain, just

because it's free?

Russ

Re: RE: new member

>From: " Nany " <bodyleanresources@...>

>

>It is the equivalent of 10 bottles of capsules. The bulk allows you to

take

>more of it to get your system in balance sooner. How much does it cost to

>take things that won't work? Of things that have harmful side affects?

>Ambrotose does so much more for your body and there is nothing, absolutely

>nothing else like it anywhere! To correct health problems, we have to

start

>at the cell level. Everything else is just another bandaid. When we

>correct the cell to cell communication and enable the body to do what it

was

>intended to do--it is capable of all the healing--nothing out there will

>cause your body to heal. Only it can do it. When we give it the raw

>materials to do what it needs to do, it is divinely designed to do that.

>

>If you got the bulk on an auto order you save an additional 10%.

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Hey Jon,

As far as returning back to " normal, " that totally varies with each person,

method of treatment, and severity of the candidiasis. It has taken me a lot

longer (what am I saying, I'm still in the process) to recover than my ND

thought because I have more candida than he thought I did and my body is so

sensitive that I have to go about things slowly...if I kill the yeast too

quickly I get WAY too sick from the die-off...I can't even function.

As for the pizza--many chains like Papa Gino's and Pizza Hut use MSG and

other additives that your body doesn't like, especially those with candida

and/or allergies. The pizza made from local places is fresher (is that a

word?). Good luck with everything!

Ali

foleyag@...

>===== Original Message From candidiasisonelist =====

>From: randlejl@...

>

>Howdy all!

>

>I am a new member to the list, but not to some of the problems of

>Candida. I have kept my symptoms under control by eliminating heavy

>sugar, yeast, and dried fruit. The Peach Pecan bread I had 3 days ago

>did a number on me. I would like to get rid of my yeast problem, if

>that seem to be the problem. My wife would like me to take a

>prescription and wipe it out in one shot. I don't like taking drugs, and

>tend to forget. I have the several questions. Please forgive me for

>throwing all of this on you in one post.

>

>1. Can a person get back to " normal " through lifestyle changes alone?

>2. How long does it take till I can be considered normal?

>3. What has been the most effective treatments for you?

>4. Why does chain pizza like Papa 's effect me, while a local NY

>style pizza place doesn't?

>5. For the Men: Any prostate problems?

>

>I would like treatments that are simple and backed by sound science.

>

>Your input is gratefully awaited.

>

>Jon Randle

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In a message dated 02/03/2000 1:44:30 PM Central Standard Time,

denisedunlap@... writes:

<< Hello everyone. My name is and I just joined this list last

night. I've been reading the archived messages and am learning so much.

My husband and I have pinworms -- I'm sure because we've SEEN them.

We've been using PinX (an over the counter drug that I saw on TV) and

that gets rid of them for a month or so, and then they return in full

force. I understand from this experience and from what I've already

read here that the road to life without pinworms might be a long one.

So -- to my question -- what's the best course of action to get rid of

these little creatures? Also, I remember my brother and I having them

when we were very young (I was about seven or eight.) Do you think

they've been in my body all this time?

Thank you for being here. I'm already encouraged and am so happy to

find someplace where I can talk about this openly, without

embarrassment.

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