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Carol - Youre story to Anita is so moving I just want to cry. Thank you for

sharing it.

Love Jan

[ ] Anita

> Anita,

>

> I can feel for you. Yesterday, the 14th, was my fathers birthday.

> It is always a little tough for me. When I was growing up we always

> celebrated together, mine is the 16th. After I was married a few

> years, he moved near by me, and we started our tradition all over

> again. Then a few years after that, his second marriage was ending

> and he was having a very hard time. He spent every weekend at my

> home with me and my family. Then just about every week day when he

> quit his job. Then at Christmas that year, after disappearing for a

> couple of weeks, I recieved the worst call any one can get. At 2:30

> AM Christmas day, he took his own life. It was a very difficult

> holiday - trying to keep things normal for my children. They were

> only 3 and 5 at the time, and very attached to there Grandpa Morey.

> We still put the present my daughters had bought him, wrapped with

> there little tiny writing on the card, on the Christmas tree every

> year. For several years we did it for my youngest, " just in case he

> comes back for it mommy " is what she would say. They both swear to

> this day that he came to them that night [he died] and kissed them

> goodbye. Just a few weeks after his death he would have turned only

> 52. But he thought he was too old to start over again. I knew he

> was wrong, but he could not be convinced. We had lots of blame slung

> around the family for a long time, to include God. But I have always

> felt that he has gone to the only one who was able to help him and

> release him from his pain. When I had to go on Christmas day to the

> coroners office, it was very painful, but when I saw his face, my

> pain disappeared. As I could see that his had also. His birthday

> always gets me more than the day he died. It does because of what it

> is - the day of his birth, into what would have been a long life of

> suffering and pain. Though I will never understand why some one

> should suffer so much, I do beleive he was being challenged for a

> tougher, more valiant job in the after life. I do beleive he watches

> over me and my children, as we have all had close calls that should

> have resulted in tragedy. When I was first diagnosed, and they

> thought at the time I would need an immediate Tx, I was so angry at

> him. You see, he was my only relative who would have been a possible

> match for a living donor. We knew because he was the only one who

> could donate blood when I had a surgery in the past. But now I see

> my actions as selfish, and still know he is where he needs to be.

> But when our birthdays role around, I feel very lonely. Like twins,

> I am used to celebrating with a buddy each year. As bittersweet as

> our relationship would be, we were always able to see things as one.

> We may have yelled at each other at times, but we listened to what

> each other always had to say. I miss him. But tomorrow I have set

> it in my head, that I will celebrate life. My life. I will have my

> children and husband with me - attempting to make a birthday cake

> together, it is quite a comedy. Yesterday, I celebrated my fathers

> life, because not only in life but in death he has taught me how to

> appreciate what I have. And I do. So Anita, my heart is with you,

> and I hope you find peace in these days ahead. It can be tough, one

> year to the next, but I find each year any more there is a new

> revalation to be learned in my loss. I hope you too can find them.

> Take care.

>

> Love,

> CArole K

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Just a chook, girl, just a chook!

Jan

[ ] Re: PLEASE READ type2 anti lkm questions

> >

> > Sorry Jerry.

> >

> > Guess I should have been clearer for you older folks. I was just

> > talking about how we have the liver capsule pain, and most of us get

> > no real explanation for it - or our docs brush it off saying it isn't

> > the AIH, like it is all in our head. Especially when we have LFT's

> > in normal reange, they tell us it's not our liver. Even though the

> > pain ironically is located right where they said our liver resides.

> > My particular pain is a constant dull ache with occasional sharp

> > pains that double me over through the day. Plus a constant pressure

> > against my ribs. I have on occasion when the sharp pains stay, for

> > more than a day, and have landed me in the ER on at least a half

> > dozen occasions. The only answer they ever gave me is " Your liver is

> > twice it's size, so I guess that could cause some discomfort " Here

> > is a nice demerol shot, now away with you. So I thought her doctor

> > saying it would make sense that the liver capsule can occasionally

> > get irritated was wonderful to hear that she actually put a little

> > thought into the problem. First I have ever heard of.

> >

> > So you want to get uppity, heh? Wanna take this outside?

> >

> > You booger.

> >

> >

> > Love,

> > Carole K

> >

> >

> >

> > > Carole... I don't mean to sound upity but I will anyway.....We have

> > > posted here over and over that the liver pain is not in the liver

> > itself

> > > but in the capsule and/or surrounding tissues due mainly from

> > swelling

> > > and irritation, doctors know this but they try to be mr.

> > smartypants by

> > > telling you there are no pain receptors in the liver which is true,

> > but

> > > I point out that there are no pain receptors in your brain and we

> > still

> > > get headaches. o when we talk of URQ pain that is what it is ..upper

> > > right quadrant of our abdomen ...not liver pain. Many moons ago

> > Joanne

> > > sent a site explaining this phenomena, I think I'll look for it.

> > Anyway

> > > no matter what some smartass doctor tells you the URQ pain is real

> > and

> > > not in your head.

> > >

> > > love smartass jerry

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

thanks, you have just restored my faith in human nature. mind you if you saw me

right now you might not agree. just bleached my hair and forgot to buy a toner,

now bright orange.

anita

>

> From: " Ian & Janet " <ianjanaust@...>

> Date: Sun 19/Jan/2003 18:05 GMT

> < >

> Subject: Re: [ ] ANITA

>

> Just a chook, girl, just a chook!

> Jan

> [ ] Re: PLEASE READ type2 anti lkm questions

> > >

> > > Sorry Jerry.

> > >

> > > Guess I should have been clearer for you older folks. I was just

> > > talking about how we have the liver capsule pain, and most of us get

> > > no real explanation for it - or our docs brush it off saying it isn't

> > > the AIH, like it is all in our head. Especially when we have LFT's

> > > in normal reange, they tell us it's not our liver. Even though the

> > > pain ironically is located right where they said our liver resides.

> > > My particular pain is a constant dull ache with occasional sharp

> > > pains that double me over through the day. Plus a constant pressure

> > > against my ribs. I have on occasion when the sharp pains stay, for

> > > more than a day, and have landed me in the ER on at least a half

> > > dozen occasions. The only answer they ever gave me is " Your liver is

> > > twice it's size, so I guess that could cause some discomfort " Here

> > > is a nice demerol shot, now away with you. So I thought her doctor

> > > saying it would make sense that the liver capsule can occasionally

> > > get irritated was wonderful to hear that she actually put a little

> > > thought into the problem. First I have ever heard of.

> > >

> > > So you want to get uppity, heh? Wanna take this outside?

> > >

> > > You booger.

> > >

> > >

> > > Love,

> > > Carole K

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > > Carole... I don't mean to sound upity but I will anyway.....We have

> > > > posted here over and over that the liver pain is not in the liver

> > > itself

> > > > but in the capsule and/or surrounding tissues due mainly from

> > > swelling

> > > > and irritation, doctors know this but they try to be mr.

> > > smartypants by

> > > > telling you there are no pain receptors in the liver which is true,

> > > but

> > > > I point out that there are no pain receptors in your brain and we

> > > still

> > > > get headaches. o when we talk of URQ pain that is what it is ..upper

> > > > right quadrant of our abdomen ...not liver pain. Many moons ago

> > > Joanne

> > > > sent a site explaining this phenomena, I think I'll look for it.

> > > Anyway

> > > > no matter what some smartass doctor tells you the URQ pain is real

> > > and

> > > > not in your head.

> > > >

> > > > love smartass jerry

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Hi Carrot Tops - No lights required in your house tonight!

Jan

[ ] Re: PLEASE READ type2 anti lkm questions

> > > >

> > > > Sorry Jerry.

> > > >

> > > > Guess I should have been clearer for you older folks. I was just

> > > > talking about how we have the liver capsule pain, and most of us get

> > > > no real explanation for it - or our docs brush it off saying it

isn't

> > > > the AIH, like it is all in our head. Especially when we have LFT's

> > > > in normal reange, they tell us it's not our liver. Even though the

> > > > pain ironically is located right where they said our liver resides.

> > > > My particular pain is a constant dull ache with occasional sharp

> > > > pains that double me over through the day. Plus a constant pressure

> > > > against my ribs. I have on occasion when the sharp pains stay, for

> > > > more than a day, and have landed me in the ER on at least a half

> > > > dozen occasions. The only answer they ever gave me is " Your liver

is

> > > > twice it's size, so I guess that could cause some discomfort " Here

> > > > is a nice demerol shot, now away with you. So I thought her doctor

> > > > saying it would make sense that the liver capsule can occasionally

> > > > get irritated was wonderful to hear that she actually put a little

> > > > thought into the problem. First I have ever heard of.

> > > >

> > > > So you want to get uppity, heh? Wanna take this outside?

> > > >

> > > > You booger.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Love,

> > > > Carole K

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Carole... I don't mean to sound upity but I will anyway.....We

have

> > > > > posted here over and over that the liver pain is not in the liver

> > > > itself

> > > > > but in the capsule and/or surrounding tissues due mainly from

> > > > swelling

> > > > > and irritation, doctors know this but they try to be mr.

> > > > smartypants by

> > > > > telling you there are no pain receptors in the liver which is

true,

> > > > but

> > > > > I point out that there are no pain receptors in your brain and we

> > > > still

> > > > > get headaches. o when we talk of URQ pain that is what it is

...upper

> > > > > right quadrant of our abdomen ...not liver pain. Many moons ago

> > > > Joanne

> > > > > sent a site explaining this phenomena, I think I'll look for it.

> > > > Anyway

> > > > > no matter what some smartass doctor tells you the URQ pain is real

> > > > and

> > > > > not in your head.

> > > > >

> > > > > love smartass jerry

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

no carrott top tonight, found the toner, just a gentle shade of silver. quite

pleased with the result. i was worried about bleaching it cos of my meds.

mind you i have been every color under the sun since i was 14, and i still have

a good (tho thinning, thanks to meds) head of hair. mind you, i did wonder what

the glow was before.

love anita

>

> From: " Ian & Janet " <ianjanaust@...>

> Date: Sun 19/Jan/2003 19:15 GMT

> < >

> Subject: Re: Re: [ ] ANITA

>

> Hi Carrot Tops - No lights required in your house tonight!

> Jan

> [ ] Re: PLEASE READ type2 anti lkm questions

> > > > >

> > > > > Sorry Jerry.

> > > > >

> > > > > Guess I should have been clearer for you older folks. I was just

> > > > > talking about how we have the liver capsule pain, and most of us get

> > > > > no real explanation for it - or our docs brush it off saying it

> isn't

> > > > > the AIH, like it is all in our head. Especially when we have LFT's

> > > > > in normal reange, they tell us it's not our liver. Even though the

> > > > > pain ironically is located right where they said our liver resides.

> > > > > My particular pain is a constant dull ache with occasional sharp

> > > > > pains that double me over through the day. Plus a constant pressure

> > > > > against my ribs. I have on occasion when the sharp pains stay, for

> > > > > more than a day, and have landed me in the ER on at least a half

> > > > > dozen occasions. The only answer they ever gave me is " Your liver

> is

> > > > > twice it's size, so I guess that could cause some discomfort " Here

> > > > > is a nice demerol shot, now away with you. So I thought her doctor

> > > > > saying it would make sense that the liver capsule can occasionally

> > > > > get irritated was wonderful to hear that she actually put a little

> > > > > thought into the problem. First I have ever heard of.

> > > > >

> > > > > So you want to get uppity, heh? Wanna take this outside?

> > > > >

> > > > > You booger.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Love,

> > > > > Carole K

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Carole... I don't mean to sound upity but I will anyway.....We

> have

> > > > > > posted here over and over that the liver pain is not in the liver

> > > > > itself

> > > > > > but in the capsule and/or surrounding tissues due mainly from

> > > > > swelling

> > > > > > and irritation, doctors know this but they try to be mr.

> > > > > smartypants by

> > > > > > telling you there are no pain receptors in the liver which is

> true,

> > > > > but

> > > > > > I point out that there are no pain receptors in your brain and we

> > > > > still

> > > > > > get headaches. o when we talk of URQ pain that is what it is

> ..upper

> > > > > > right quadrant of our abdomen ...not liver pain. Many moons ago

> > > > > Joanne

> > > > > > sent a site explaining this phenomena, I think I'll look for it.

> > > > > Anyway

> > > > > > no matter what some smartass doctor tells you the URQ pain is real

> > > > > and

> > > > > > not in your head.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > love smartass jerry

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

jan sweetie, brogues, never. to much into trendy clothes, tho not young clothes.

i would look ridiculous. my friends say i am 49 going on 21. daniels friemds

all call me mum and say they wish i was there mum, more easy going. godd or bad,

who knows. its now 3.22am still cant sleep, oh please, wheres the hammer.

love

anita>

> From: " Ian & Janet " <ianjanaust@...>

> Date: Mon 20/Jan/2003 03:17 GMT

> < >

> Subject: Re: Re: [ ] ANITA

>

> Anita Chook ... I dont want to spoil your fun but you do remember Basil

> Brush dont you? Go to the hairdresser next time, the meds can have funny

> effects on hair like breaking off near the roots! By the way, for the life

> of me I cant imagine you in brogues in any situation! or me for that matter.

> Love jan

>

> [ ] Re: PLEASE READ type2 anti lkm

> questions

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sorry Jerry.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Guess I should have been clearer for you older folks. I was

> just

> > > > > > > talking about how we have the liver capsule pain, and most of us

> get

> > > > > > > no real explanation for it - or our docs brush it off saying it

> > > isn't

> > > > > > > the AIH, like it is all in our head. Especially when we have

> LFT's

> > > > > > > in normal reange, they tell us it's not our liver. Even though

> the

> > > > > > > pain ironically is located right where they said our liver

> resides.

> > > > > > > My particular pain is a constant dull ache with occasional sharp

> > > > > > > pains that double me over through the day. Plus a constant

> pressure

> > > > > > > against my ribs. I have on occasion when the sharp pains stay,

> for

> > > > > > > more than a day, and have landed me in the ER on at least a half

> > > > > > > dozen occasions. The only answer they ever gave me is " Your

> liver

> > > is

> > > > > > > twice it's size, so I guess that could cause some discomfort "

> Here

> > > > > > > is a nice demerol shot, now away with you. So I thought her

> doctor

> > > > > > > saying it would make sense that the liver capsule can

> occasionally

> > > > > > > get irritated was wonderful to hear that she actually put a

> little

> > > > > > > thought into the problem. First I have ever heard of.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So you want to get uppity, heh? Wanna take this outside?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You booger.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Love,

> > > > > > > Carole K

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Carole... I don't mean to sound upity but I will anyway.....We

> > > have

> > > > > > > > posted here over and over that the liver pain is not in the

> liver

> > > > > > > itself

> > > > > > > > but in the capsule and/or surrounding tissues due mainly from

> > > > > > > swelling

> > > > > > > > and irritation, doctors know this but they try to be mr.

> > > > > > > smartypants by

> > > > > > > > telling you there are no pain receptors in the liver which is

> > > true,

> > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > I point out that there are no pain receptors in your brain and

> we

> > > > > > > still

> > > > > > > > get headaches. o when we talk of URQ pain that is what it is

> > > ..upper

> > > > > > > > right quadrant of our abdomen ...not liver pain. Many moons

> ago

> > > > > > > Joanne

> > > > > > > > sent a site explaining this phenomena, I think I'll look for

> it.

> > > > > > > Anyway

> > > > > > > > no matter what some smartass doctor tells you the URQ pain is

> real

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > not in your head.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > love smartass jerry

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Anita Chook - What are you doing still up? Its almost time to get up! Go to

bed and have sweet dreams. If you cant sleep switch on the boring BBC

World.. it never fails with me.

Sweetie Jan

[ ] Re: PLEASE READ type2 anti lkm

> > questions

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sorry Jerry.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Guess I should have been clearer for you older folks. I was

> > just

> > > > > > > > talking about how we have the liver capsule pain, and most

of us

> > get

> > > > > > > > no real explanation for it - or our docs brush it off saying

it

> > > > isn't

> > > > > > > > the AIH, like it is all in our head. Especially when we

have

> > LFT's

> > > > > > > > in normal reange, they tell us it's not our liver. Even

though

> > the

> > > > > > > > pain ironically is located right where they said our liver

> > resides.

> > > > > > > > My particular pain is a constant dull ache with occasional

sharp

> > > > > > > > pains that double me over through the day. Plus a constant

> > pressure

> > > > > > > > against my ribs. I have on occasion when the sharp pains

stay,

> > for

> > > > > > > > more than a day, and have landed me in the ER on at least a

half

> > > > > > > > dozen occasions. The only answer they ever gave me is " Your

> > liver

> > > > is

> > > > > > > > twice it's size, so I guess that could cause some

discomfort "

> > Here

> > > > > > > > is a nice demerol shot, now away with you. So I thought her

> > doctor

> > > > > > > > saying it would make sense that the liver capsule can

> > occasionally

> > > > > > > > get irritated was wonderful to hear that she actually put a

> > little

> > > > > > > > thought into the problem. First I have ever heard of.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > So you want to get uppity, heh? Wanna take this outside?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You booger.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Love,

> > > > > > > > Carole K

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Carole... I don't mean to sound upity but I will

anyway.....We

> > > > have

> > > > > > > > > posted here over and over that the liver pain is not in

the

> > liver

> > > > > > > > itself

> > > > > > > > > but in the capsule and/or surrounding tissues due mainly

from

> > > > > > > > swelling

> > > > > > > > > and irritation, doctors know this but they try to be mr.

> > > > > > > > smartypants by

> > > > > > > > > telling you there are no pain receptors in the liver which

is

> > > > true,

> > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > I point out that there are no pain receptors in your brain

and

> > we

> > > > > > > > still

> > > > > > > > > get headaches. o when we talk of URQ pain that is what it

is

> > > > ..upper

> > > > > > > > > right quadrant of our abdomen ...not liver pain. Many

moons

> > ago

> > > > > > > > Joanne

> > > > > > > > > sent a site explaining this phenomena, I think I'll look

for

> > it.

> > > > > > > > Anyway

> > > > > > > > > no matter what some smartass doctor tells you the URQ pain

is

> > real

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > not in your head.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > love smartass jerry

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

hi jan, sorry, we dont get bbc world, but i know what you mean. actually there

are some brilliant programmes on bbc. its just finding them, there dramas are

the best, along with itv of course. by the way, my hair is a streaky sort of

lilac color, kids think its great.

love anita

>

> From: " Ian & Janet " <ianjanaust@...>

> Date: Mon 20/Jan/2003 03:59 GMT

> < >

> Subject: Re: Re: [ ] ANITA

>

> Anita Chook - What are you doing still up? Its almost time to get up! Go to

> bed and have sweet dreams. If you cant sleep switch on the boring BBC

> World.. it never fails with me.

> Sweetie Jan

> [ ] Re: PLEASE READ type2 anti lkm

> > > questions

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sorry Jerry.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Guess I should have been clearer for you older folks. I was

> > > just

> > > > > > > > > talking about how we have the liver capsule pain, and most

> of us

> > > get

> > > > > > > > > no real explanation for it - or our docs brush it off saying

> it

> > > > > isn't

> > > > > > > > > the AIH, like it is all in our head. Especially when we

> have

> > > LFT's

> > > > > > > > > in normal reange, they tell us it's not our liver. Even

> though

> > > the

> > > > > > > > > pain ironically is located right where they said our liver

> > > resides.

> > > > > > > > > My particular pain is a constant dull ache with occasional

> sharp

> > > > > > > > > pains that double me over through the day. Plus a constant

> > > pressure

> > > > > > > > > against my ribs. I have on occasion when the sharp pains

> stay,

> > > for

> > > > > > > > > more than a day, and have landed me in the ER on at least a

> half

> > > > > > > > > dozen occasions. The only answer they ever gave me is " Your

> > > liver

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > twice it's size, so I guess that could cause some

> discomfort "

> > > Here

> > > > > > > > > is a nice demerol shot, now away with you. So I thought her

> > > doctor

> > > > > > > > > saying it would make sense that the liver capsule can

> > > occasionally

> > > > > > > > > get irritated was wonderful to hear that she actually put a

> > > little

> > > > > > > > > thought into the problem. First I have ever heard of.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > So you want to get uppity, heh? Wanna take this outside?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > You booger.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Love,

> > > > > > > > > Carole K

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Carole... I don't mean to sound upity but I will

> anyway.....We

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > posted here over and over that the liver pain is not in

> the

> > > liver

> > > > > > > > > itself

> > > > > > > > > > but in the capsule and/or surrounding tissues due mainly

> from

> > > > > > > > > swelling

> > > > > > > > > > and irritation, doctors know this but they try to be mr.

> > > > > > > > > smartypants by

> > > > > > > > > > telling you there are no pain receptors in the liver which

> is

> > > > > true,

> > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > I point out that there are no pain receptors in your brain

> and

> > > we

> > > > > > > > > still

> > > > > > > > > > get headaches. o when we talk of URQ pain that is what it

> is

> > > > > ..upper

> > > > > > > > > > right quadrant of our abdomen ...not liver pain. Many

> moons

> > > ago

> > > > > > > > > Joanne

> > > > > > > > > > sent a site explaining this phenomena, I think I'll look

> for

> > > it.

> > > > > > > > > Anyway

> > > > > > > > > > no matter what some smartass doctor tells you the URQ pain

> is

> > > real

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > not in your head.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > love smartass jerry

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

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Give it another week and it will be bright cerise streaks, get bored very fast.

kids cant keep up with me.

love

anita

>

> From: " Ian & Janet " <ianjanaust@...>

> Date: Wed 22/Jan/2003 05:44 GMT

> < >

> Subject: [ ] ANITA

>

> Anita Chook - Lilac streaked hair? Oh how I wish I could paint your portrait!

> Sweetie Jan

>

>

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bert you are so right, i have always believed children learn from example

thankou/ by the way, hes done it to his other 2 children who lost there mother

just a year ago.

> luv anita

> From: " Bertha Dotson " <sunshinedotson@...>

> Date: Sun 09/Feb/2003 20:52 GMT

> < >

> Subject: [ ] Anita

>

> Goodness Anita! Guy should be ashamed of himself! That is his daughter! She

is just a little kid, they all say things at times that they don't mean! I

think adults are more guilty of this than children are! I know I sound harsh,

but I call it as I see it! He doesn't deserve either of you in my book!

>

> I am a firm believer that a child lives what they learn!!!

>

> Now be good to yourself and try not to let Guy get to you. Another thought

too, stick HIS head in the loo!! You hold your head up as high as you can!!!

Amy is just a little thing, she does not have to explain her actions, as she is

only doing, what? " Living what HE taught her " ......so be it!

>

> Take care......

> Love & Hugs...

> Bert. )

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thanks carole. i have been on prozac for 18 years, scared of coming off them, i

do believe they lose there effectivness, i have just been in creased to 60 mgs

prozac. will see my doc tomorrow

love anita

>

> From: " toots_k <toots_k@...> " <toots_k@...>

> Date: Mon 10/Feb/2003 20:26 GMT

>

> Subject: [ ] Anita

>

> Anita,

>

> Just thought I would let you know a few things I learned about

> prozac, zoloft, and paxil. Though they are considered non addictive,

> you do still need to be tapered off of them as there is withdrawl

> symptoms. If your doc says there isn't, he is wrong. And if you

> don't taper them, you will know exactly what I am talking about in

> about two days off of them. Second, if you have been on them as long

> as twelve years - they really aren't having any affect on you anymore

> any way. The way it was explained to me, is they have found that

> once you are on them for an extended period of time, they are no

> longer 'effective' and need to be increased or just stopped. Or

> changed to another brand for the additional effect. The best time of

> effectiveness of these meds is the first six months. After a year,

> my doc said, you should be in much better shape and taken off of

> them, so if you have another downward spiral, they will work again

> for you. He said some people can even get a rebound depression when

> on them for extended period of time. So either way hon, if you have

> been on them for 12 years, you need to stop them. It sounds like

> unecessary medicating. Just my two cents.

>

> Love,

> Carole K

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Anita....great news. Yes thats why they'll wean you off ever so slowly

and monitor your bloods carefully to make sure your LFTs stay normal. Im

off completely now...some people have to stay on a small dose, like 5mg for

maintenance... but Im guessing that as youve responded so quickly...youll

get off pred completely. Your news has made my day!

Love Jan

[ ] without Predinsone....no way......

> >

> > I went to see my doc yesterday. for 3 wks. I was on 40mg of pred.

> > Blood work is normal again (only after 3 wks) WOW! The results of

> > taking pred far outweight the not taking it. My enzymes were doubled

> > in Jan 02 and 3 weeks on 40mgs. brought them back to normal. That is

> > quick----so it really is worth taking. I have been on 100 mgs of

> > Imuran ALONE from May or June 02 and in Dec 02/Jan 03 I started

> > feeling yucky again. So Imuran alone will not keep us in remission.

> > The doc explained yesterday that I will have these flare-ups. The

> > pred helps us fight the " bad " stuff that is attacking our liver. I

> > finally asked him how bad was damage to my liver from my biopsy in

> > 9/01. Why I didn't ask sooner I have no idea! But the doc said I was

> > only starting the Fibrosis stage, not full blown. I was caught at a

> > VERY early stage (even though I glowed in the dark with my funky

> > yellow self) that there is no perm damage to my liver. Thank God! I

> > responded so quickly to pred & imuran and I am grateful for modern

> > medicine. I am sure I will need to take the pred from time to time

> > because the inflammation, but that is ok, rather have it than not!!

> >

> > Thank you for the LETTER, too!!!

> >

> > EVERYONE TAKE CARE, DON'T DESPAIR, JUST HANG IN THERE!!!!!!!!!!

> >

> > from " Tra " in LA

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Anita, this is terri, my bloods went back to normal on 40mg of pred, then they started wheening me off. I also started 100mg of Imuran. When I was down to about 10mg of pred and still taking the Imuran, my counts started going back up..It ended up I couldn't take the Imuran. I'd gotten off pred for 3 days but due to the problem with Imuran I was put back on 10mg and then started Cellcept. Guess what I'm starting to feel great. It's been all of 3wks and I think all is going well, I go for another blood test next wk. but now I'm starting to feel great. Ian & Janet <ianjanaust@...> wrote:

Hi Anita....great news. Yes thats why they'll wean you off ever so slowlyand monitor your bloods carefully to make sure your LFTs stay normal. Imoff completely now...some people have to stay on a small dose, like 5mg formaintenance... but Im guessing that as youve responded so quickly...youllget off pred completely. Your news has made my day!Love Jan [ ] without Predinsone....no way......> >> > I went to see my doc yesterday. for 3 wks. I was on 40mg of pred.> > Blood work is normal again (only after 3 wks) WOW! The results of> > taking pred far outweight the not taking it. My enzymes were doubled> > in Jan 02 and 3 weeks on 40mgs. brought them back to normal. That is> > quick----so it really is worth taking. I have been on 100 mgs of> > Imuran ALONE from May or June 02 and in Dec 02/Jan 03 I started> > feeling yucky again. So Imuran alone will not keep us in remission.> > The doc explained yesterday that I will have these flare-ups. The> > pred helps us fight the "bad" stuff that is attacking our liver. I> > finally asked him how bad was damage to my liver from my biopsy in> > 9/01. Why I didn't ask sooner I have no idea! But the doc said I was> > only starting the Fibrosis stage, not full blown. I was caught at a> > VERY early stage (even though I glowed in the dark with my funky> > yellow self) that there is no perm damage to my liver. Thank God! I> > responded so quickly to pred & imuran and I am grateful for modern> > medicine. I am sure I will need to take the pred from time to time> > because the inflammation, but that is ok, rather have it than not!!> >> > Thank you for the LETTER, too!!!> >> > EVERYONE TAKE CARE, DON'T DESPAIR, JUST HANG IN THERE!!!!!!!!!!> >> > from "Tra" in LA> >> >> >

[Guest guest]

hi jan thankyou so much for your letter. i am feeling much more poitive now.

wish me kuck and you make sure you stay well " THATS AN ORDER "

>

> From: " Ian & Janet " <ianjanaust@...>

> Date: Thu 13/Feb/2003 20:51 GMT

> < >

> Subject: Re: [ ] anita

>

> Hi Anita....great news. Yes thats why they'll wean you off ever so slowly

> and monitor your bloods carefully to make sure your LFTs stay normal. Im

> off completely now...some people have to stay on a small dose, like 5mg for

> maintenance... but Im guessing that as youve responded so quickly...youll

> get off pred completely. Your news has made my day!

> Love Jan

>

> [ ] without Predinsone....no way......

> > >

> > > I went to see my doc yesterday. for 3 wks. I was on 40mg of pred.

> > > Blood work is normal again (only after 3 wks) WOW! The results of

> > > taking pred far outweight the not taking it. My enzymes were doubled

> > > in Jan 02 and 3 weeks on 40mgs. brought them back to normal. That is

> > > quick----so it really is worth taking. I have been on 100 mgs of

> > > Imuran ALONE from May or June 02 and in Dec 02/Jan 03 I started

> > > feeling yucky again. So Imuran alone will not keep us in remission.

> > > The doc explained yesterday that I will have these flare-ups. The

> > > pred helps us fight the " bad " stuff that is attacking our liver. I

> > > finally asked him how bad was damage to my liver from my biopsy in

> > > 9/01. Why I didn't ask sooner I have no idea! But the doc said I was

> > > only starting the Fibrosis stage, not full blown. I was caught at a

> > > VERY early stage (even though I glowed in the dark with my funky

> > > yellow self) that there is no perm damage to my liver. Thank God! I

> > > responded so quickly to pred & imuran and I am grateful for modern

> > > medicine. I am sure I will need to take the pred from time to time

> > > because the inflammation, but that is ok, rather have it than not!!

> > >

> > > Thank you for the LETTER, too!!!

> > >

> > > EVERYONE TAKE CARE, DON'T DESPAIR, JUST HANG IN THERE!!!!!!!!!!

> > >

> > > from " Tra " in LA

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Anita love......Im not upset...what have you done that you're leaving us

?...what have I missed?....have you put your big foot in it?...or big toe?

....made a blooey?.....made a cockup?..... (I could go on...but we have to

have some decorum!)...gee wiz...just wipe the word 'sorry' from your

vocabularly, youve done nothing to be sorry about...keep in touch (ive been

a tinsey bit unwell & am not up on whats been happening)...take care

Love sweetie Jan

[ ] The virus scan free link from Bert

> >

> > BlankThis was a reminder from Bert....so here it is again..PLEASE do

this.....Joanne You can run a free virus scan through www.McAfee.com

> > Persarverence got the snail to the Ark. Spurgeon

> >

> >

> >

> >

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My dear Anita....You are in my prayers....post me privately if you wish

advice. Take care, Im worried about you..

Love Jan

Re: RE: [ ] help

> Hi everyone, please can i be very selfish and ask you to pray for me. I

am getting to the point of no return, very depressed and weepy, tired and

unwell. cant even take amy to the park. guy keeps calling asking for money.

when i take amy there i have to either give him money or give him food. i

dont think i can go on much longer.

> sorry

> love to my friends

> anita

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

please let me know if you received my private email, its the 1st time i have

used a new site.

love

anita

>

> From: " Ian & Janet " <ianjanaust@...>

> Date: Sun 23/Feb/2003 04:00 GMT

> < >

> Subject: Re: RE: [ ] Anita

>

> My dear Anita....You are in my prayers....post me privately if you wish

> advice. Take care, Im worried about you..

> Love Jan

>

> Re: RE: [ ] help

>

>

> > Hi everyone, please can i be very selfish and ask you to pray for me. I

> am getting to the point of no return, very depressed and weepy, tired and

> unwell. cant even take amy to the park. guy keeps calling asking for money.

> when i take amy there i have to either give him money or give him food. i

> dont think i can go on much longer.

> > sorry

> > love to my friends

> > anita

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

You always have our prayers and I will hold you close to my heart and hope that you can feel all the love and concern we all have for you. Feel warm from it, let some of the anxiety float away and always, always remember we are here for you.

Love,Amy

[Guest guest]

Anita....No posting has come thru.

Jan

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

have you received it yet

anita

>

> From: " Ian & Janet " <ianjanaust@...>

> Date: Sun 23/Feb/2003 18:20 GMT

> < >

> Subject: Re: RE: [ ] Anita

>

> Anita....No posting has come thru.

> Jan

>

>

>

>

>

>

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

amy, thankyou so much, this means more than you will ever know. hope all is

well with you.

love and prayers

anita

>

> From: holzboog@...

> Date: Sun 23/Feb/2003 23:05 GMT

>

> Subject: [ ] Re: Anita

>

> You always have our prayers and I will hold you close to my heart and hope

> that you can feel all the love and concern we all have for you. Feel warm

> from it, let some of the anxiety float away and always, always remember we

> are here for you.

>

> Love,Amy

>

>

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Hi jan, thought i would let you know that i am now taking more control over

things. Guy isnt happy, but tough. I still feel very down and lonely, but i am

sure that will change, one day, how are you well i hope, let me know

love and hugs

anita

>

> From: " Ian & Janet " <ianjanaust@...>

> Date: Sun 23/Feb/2003 04:00 GMT

> < >

> Subject: Re: RE: [ ] Anita

>

> My dear Anita....You are in my prayers....post me privately if you wish

> advice. Take care, Im worried about you..

> Love Jan

>

> Re: RE: [ ] help

>

>

> > Hi everyone, please can i be very selfish and ask you to pray for me. I

> am getting to the point of no return, very depressed and weepy, tired and

> unwell. cant even take amy to the park. guy keeps calling asking for money.

> when i take amy there i have to either give him money or give him food. i

> dont think i can go on much longer.

> > sorry

> > love to my friends

> > anita

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Anita...you know what they say ... new house, new beginnings, new

happiness, new life....so start packing!

Love Jan

Re: [ ] Great News!!

> >

> > >

> > > Hi Everyone,

> > >

> > > I wanted to share an answer to prayer, I asked for prayer for my

daughter,

> > > What a deal! I would say but would that be a funny? BTW I

am tenorgirl63 on Messenger! When I am on line give me a holler! OR

Sharon

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

thanks, already have, cant wait, just hope nothing goes wrong// ever the

optimist.

love and hugs

anita

>

> From: " Ian & Janet " <ianjanaust@...>

> Date: Mon 03/Mar/2003 18:36 GMT

> < >

> Subject: Re: Re: [ ] Anita

>

> Dear Anita...you know what they say ... new house, new beginnings, new

> happiness, new life....so start packing!

> Love Jan

>

> Re: [ ] Great News!!

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Hi Everyone,

> > > >

> > > > I wanted to share an answer to prayer, I asked for prayer for my

> daughter,

> > > > What a deal! I would say but would that be a funny? BTW I

> am tenorgirl63 on Messenger! When I am on line give me a holler! OR

> Sharon

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >