rheumatoid arthritis

[Guest guest]

Yes, I take lots of meds, costing up to @1500.00 a month. But they work and

I don't have much pain anymore, just deformity and no immune system, other

than that I'm OK. My wonderful hubby does most of the child care and I do

all the brain stuff, it's about all I got left these days.

Thanks for the concern.

Judy

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/12/01 7:26:52 PM Eastern Standard Time,

Judithrehling@... writes:

<< My wonderful hubby does most of the child care and I do

all the brain stuff, it's about all I got left these days.

Thanks for the concern.

Judy >>

Hey Judy,

Got one up on me with the brain stuff! LOL I have no brain left. LOL My

head is just a place to stick a pony tail on! LOL Sorry you've had such a

tough time with arthritis. It's a wonderful blessing that your husband is so

helpful huh?

Gail

[Guest guest]

Yes, he is great, guess that's why we've been married 31 years this May.

Plus I don't think anyone else could put up with me, some days I can be quite

the pain in the rear. I vent everything from bad IEP's, stupid teachers, wet

beds, pooped pants & 4 girls with PMS at the same time and he just rubs my

feet and tells me 'tommorw is another day " . He is the steady and calming

force in our family. Don't know how single moms do it.

Judy

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/12/01 10:02:25 PM Eastern Standard Time,

Judithrehling@... writes:

<< Yes, he is great, guess that's why we've been married 31 years this May.

Plus I don't think anyone else could put up with me, some days I can be

quite

the pain in the rear. I vent everything from bad IEP's, stupid teachers,

wet

beds, pooped pants & 4 girls with PMS at the same time and he just rubs my

feet and tells me 'tommorw is another day " . He is the steady and calming

force in our family. Don't know how single moms do it.

Judy >>

SINGLE MOMS!!!!! LOL Sometimes I think they are better off than us with the

husbands we have to take care of!!!! LOL I don't really mean that. Just

sometimes when you think you're at the end of your rope and then the dh comes

along and asks for something too. UHG!!!!!!!!! I guess just having someone

around to gripe at, even if he's a pain in the neck at times, is a good

thing. I think!!!! LOL Sounds like God gave you your wonderful dh because

you are suffering enough! LOL

Gail-who really loves her dh more than life itself

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/12/01 7:26:51 PM Eastern Standard Time,

Judithrehling@... writes:

<< Yes, I take lots of meds, costing up to @1500.00 a month. But they work

and

I don't have much pain anymore, just deformity and no immune system, other

than that I'm OK. My wonderful hubby does most of the child care and I do

all the brain stuff, it's about all I got left these days.

Thanks for the concern.

Judy

>>

Wow Judy!! Seems like you two sure complement each other!!! Take care of

yourself!! I'm sure you do!!

{{{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}

Donna

[Guest guest]

sees a rheumotolgist/immunologist too, but they have said he has

reumatoid arthiritis, just a good cance of getting it. My prayers for you.

shawna.

>From: Judithrehling@...

>Reply-

>

>Subject: Re: Rheumatoid Arthritis

>Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 19:12:13 EST

>

>Yes, I take lots of meds, costing up to @1500.00 a month. But they work

>and

>I don't have much pain anymore, just deformity and no immune system, other

>than that I'm OK. My wonderful hubby does most of the child care and I do

>all the brain stuff, it's about all I got left these days.

>

>Thanks for the concern.

>Judy

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I don't have rheumatoid arthritis, but I DID have serious, undependable

knees that had arthritis and would just give out from time to time making me

fall. I only lost 100 of the 200 pounds I needed to lose with the mgb, but I

can tell you it had made and amazing difference in my overall health,

especially the aches and pains to my joints. In addition I am much more

mobile which helps with all the aches and pains too. For instance, I CAN

sit down in the floor and get back up, something I simply could not do

before surgery. Putting weight on my shins to get up is still painful, but

I can do it whereas before I simply could not tolerate it.

Losing weight would HAVE to help your friend. I know Genz will pipe in here,

she has significant arthritis problems that have been helped by the mgb. The

major risk I would think is that many pain medications are off limits after

the mgb and most of them are the very ones that people need to take for

serious arthritis.

Rheumatoid arthritis

This is my first post. I am a reader not a writer but I step out of my box

because I have a dear friend who desparately needs to lose weight fast. She

is 32 years old and within the last year has been diagnosed with a childhood

form of rheumatoid arthritis. Her doctor told her yesterday that her

symptoms are too far gone and there is really nothing he can do. He said if

she were to lose weight it should help alleviate some of the pain but that

is about it. But the diagnosis was basically she will be in a wheelchair by

the time she is 40.

My question is did anyone out there who had/has rheumatoid arthritis

pre-MGB? If so has losing weight helped with the pain? Also did you continue

all the medications you were on or have you steadily been weened off of

them? My friend takes about 14 pills a day.

Any information will be helpful and appreciated!!

Thanks,

in TN

Dr. R

MGB 7/20/00

332/182

[Guest guest]

RA is more of an autoimmune disorder, not necessarily a " wear and tear "

condition. I don't see how weight loss would hurt, but depending on what

joints are affected w/ RA, it could offer some help.

I would be more concerned w/ stopping the progression of the RA than the

weight loss. Lot's of promising new treatments for RA now.

Good luck,

Rheumatoid arthritis

>

> This is my first post. I am a reader not a writer but I step out of my box

because I have a dear friend who desparately needs to lose weight fast. She

is 32 years old and within the last year has been diagnosed with a childhood

form of rheumatoid arthritis. Her doctor told her yesterday that her

symptoms are too far gone and there is really nothing he can do. He said if

she were to lose weight it should help alleviate some of the pain but that

is about it. But the diagnosis was basically she will be in a wheelchair by

the time she is 40.

>

> My question is did anyone out there who had/has rheumatoid arthritis

pre-MGB? If so has losing weight helped with the pain? Also did you continue

all the medications you were on or have you steadily been weened off of

them? My friend takes about 14 pills a day.

>

> Any information will be helpful and appreciated!!

>

> Thanks,

>

> in TN

> Dr. R

> MGB 7/20/00

> 332/182

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

This is from the patient manual:

" No history of:

Recent Prednisone Therapy for Any Reason

Systemic Lupus Erythematosis (SLE)

Rheumatoid Arthritis

Other Collagen Vascular Disease "

Sorry- I thought I remembered this and went back and searched it out.

Margaret in st. Louis

> RA is more of an autoimmune disorder, not necessarily a " wear and

tear "

> condition. I don't see how weight loss would hurt, but depending

on what

> joints are affected w/ RA, it could offer some help.

> I would be more concerned w/ stopping the progression of the RA

than the

> weight loss. Lot's of promising new treatments for RA now.

>

> Good luck,

> Rheumatoid arthritis

>

>

> >

> > This is my first post. I am a reader not a writer but I step out

of my box

> because I have a dear friend who desparately needs to lose weight

fast. She

> is 32 years old and within the last year has been diagnosed with a

childhood

> form of rheumatoid arthritis. Her doctor told her yesterday that her

> symptoms are too far gone and there is really nothing he can do. He

said if

> she were to lose weight it should help alleviate some of the pain

but that

> is about it. But the diagnosis was basically she will be in a

wheelchair by

> the time she is 40.

> >

> > My question is did anyone out there who had/has rheumatoid

arthritis

> pre-MGB? If so has losing weight helped with the pain? Also did you

continue

> all the medications you were on or have you steadily been weened

off of

> them? My friend takes about 14 pills a day.

> >

> > Any information will be helpful and appreciated!!

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > in TN

> > Dr. R

> > MGB 7/20/00

> > 332/182

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Yep< I too had arthritis in both knees and was looking at a joint

replacement but the Dr. wanted to wait until I was 60. That was one of the

arguments I used to get insurance approval. It was so strange that I could

hardly walk into the hospital for MGB but the pain ws so much better when I

left I didn't even notice it. I told my husband that my knees didn't hurt

and he told Dr. Rutledge that he thought that he had worked on my brain.

The relief was almost immediate. They could not test me or did not want to

test me or Rheumatoid Arthritis while I was so heavy but the Dr. Suspected I

had it but apparently did not. Tell your friend if whe can have wls that

will help. I know like most on this list that we have always been told to

walk to loose weight but when your knees are hurting so badly all you want to

do is cry you can't hardly walk. I hope yur friend gets relief somewhere

because that is pain!!!

Phyllis

MGB 11-29-2000 Dr. R

298-164ish

[Guest guest]

Thanks Joe,

I am a PharmD and this drug has shown great promise. My child does not have

a severe case of JRA so even if they allowed this drug to be given to peds

(which they do not) she would not be a candidate. I have heard of several

adults who have had great success on this treatment. Kathy

[Guest guest]

Thanks, it could have been antibiotics or fever. Interesting.

Fever can kill off virus, sometimes. Antibiotics are useless

against virus. Either the disease was a bacterium of some kind

killed by antibiotics (unlikely or they would have noticed it by

now, one would think?) or it was in fact a temperature sensitive

virus.

Note I mentioned they came BACK from Mexico with the

condition..right? Mexico=hot climate, Seattle=not so hot climate.

IF they caught some virus on vacation in Mexico, it might have

stayed suppressed there or been into remission. But as soon as the

body and environs around the joints cooled, it could have bloomed

into the illness of RA. It might not be a good idea to sauna it

out, though. Fevers are dangerous, too.

Or there could be some genetic component of the illness that goes

into some dormant stage or complete remission under some conditions

unique to her situation, and whatever was at the root of it.

Godzilla's cheap to test, relatively speaking, versus RA. The only

thing I want to stress is to not abandon any good care you do get

from your doctors thinking this will do it all, if not, you have

lost valuable time that might not be replaced!

CFS is a heartbreaker, never did turn up a germ for it, after many

trials. Made it somewhat worse in most people. If it went away it

was usually over time, and while trying many things (most of which

might have only shifted things around a bit or nothing at all).

It's turning out to be blood related and not especially microbial in

many cases. More will be known when the Florida University study on

CFS gets done, if it has not already. Their theory was a chemical

messenger does not reach the marrow, and it produces too few red

cells, thus making one tired all the time. They synthesized the

messenger and are testing using a bit more of it in the system to

reach the marrow better. We'll see. But electricity failed utterly

in every CFS case personally contacted, just did not work. IT might

be useful to disprove placebo effects, or in some cases of CFS where

a microbe DOES take the central role in causing it. But it's a

hodgepodge, and no diagnosis is clear. " You've got the symptoms of

being worn out all the time " is precisely what it means. It's

hardly a diagnosis. It's an echo in the room, the doctor saying

back what the patient said to them when asked what seems to be the

trouble? That does not mean it isn't very serious, it is. But it's

also mysterious at this time, until we have a better test for it.

bG

> Hi Bob,

>

> My husband's cousin's wife was struck down with a high fever. The

doctors

> didn't know what it was so treated her with high doses of

antibiotics in the

> hospital. I remember her saying it didn't respond to the first

antibiotics

> but later responded to other antibiotics in high doses. She'd had

> rheumatoid arthritis for at least 20 years and her legs were bowed

and bent

> but when she came home from the hospital her rheumatoid arthritis

was cured.

> I asked her if the doctors knew this? She said yes but they

didn't act

> excited about it.

>

> I think it is highly likely everything is caused by a bacteria or

virus.

>

> Baugh

>

> ********************

>

> > It seems that this, and possibly other forms of painful events in

> > the body may have some germ at root. Looking up on google.com

> > instantly turned up the refence to it.

> >

> > I've been curious about rheumatoid arthritis, too. That is much

more

> > prevalent than OM (2 in 10,000 for OM). Some 21 year olds have

> > turned up with RA on returning from Mexico. 21 is very young to

be

> > seeing that effect, so possibly a microbe or poison of some kind

> > triggered it. If microbes are involved, and can respond to

> > electricity this would be a godsend for the sufferers with RA,

too.

> >

> >

> > bG

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------

[Guest guest]

On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 01:54:44 -0500, " oldglory@... "

<oldglory@...> wrote:

>Hi Bob,

>

>My husband's cousin's wife was struck down with a high fever. The doctors

>didn't know what it was so treated her with high doses of antibiotics in the

>hospital. I remember her saying it didn't respond to the first antibiotics

>but later responded to other antibiotics in high doses. She'd had

>rheumatoid arthritis for at least 20 years and her legs were bowed and bent

>but when she came home from the hospital her rheumatoid arthritis was cured.

>I asked her if the doctors knew this? She said yes but they didn't act

>excited about it.

>

>I think it is highly likely everything is caused by a bacteria or virus.

Yup. That's the gist of Hulda 's book " The Cure for all

Diseases. " (Geeze, mentioning that book twice in one day.)

says here research shows that all cancers, almost all heart

problems, most diabetes, MS, Lou Gehrigs disease, and most everything

else is caused by either a virus, bacteria, fungus or worms (flukes).

Her book describes methods to cleanse the body, kill the baddies and

improve the immune system.

Of course, MDs don't like her, for the most part.

-- Dean -- from (almost) Des Moines -- KB0ZDF

[Guest guest]

I had CFS for over ten years, and completely eliminated it by treating an

underlying giardia infection.

I knew that I had picked up giardia in Egypt, and it had been treated, but

the symptoms never went away completely, until I was given some

anti-parasitic drugs. I have since found out that the tests for giardia have

a high false negative rate, which explains my negative tests.

I had taken the parasite cure, which helped, but didn't get rid of it

completely. The drugs did, though I was horribly sick for several days. I

think it had compromised my immune system enough for me to get this damned

fungal infection though.

Others have found a link between parasitic infections, particularly giardia,

and CFS. It does make sense, but it's clearly not the only cause.

H

Re: Rheumatoid arthritis

> Thanks, it could have been antibiotics or fever. Interesting.

> Fever can kill off virus, sometimes. Antibiotics are useless

> against virus. Either the disease was a bacterium of some kind

> killed by antibiotics (unlikely or they would have noticed it by

> now, one would think?) or it was in fact a temperature sensitive

> virus.

>

> Note I mentioned they came BACK from Mexico with the

> condition..right? Mexico=hot climate, Seattle=not so hot climate.

> IF they caught some virus on vacation in Mexico, it might have

> stayed suppressed there or been into remission. But as soon as the

> body and environs around the joints cooled, it could have bloomed

> into the illness of RA. It might not be a good idea to sauna it

> out, though. Fevers are dangerous, too.

>

> Or there could be some genetic component of the illness that goes

> into some dormant stage or complete remission under some conditions

> unique to her situation, and whatever was at the root of it.

>

> Godzilla's cheap to test, relatively speaking, versus RA. The only

> thing I want to stress is to not abandon any good care you do get

> from your doctors thinking this will do it all, if not, you have

> lost valuable time that might not be replaced!

>

> CFS is a heartbreaker, never did turn up a germ for it, after many

> trials. Made it somewhat worse in most people. If it went away it

> was usually over time, and while trying many things (most of which

> might have only shifted things around a bit or nothing at all).

> It's turning out to be blood related and not especially microbial in

> many cases. More will be known when the Florida University study on

> CFS gets done, if it has not already. Their theory was a chemical

> messenger does not reach the marrow, and it produces too few red

> cells, thus making one tired all the time. They synthesized the

> messenger and are testing using a bit more of it in the system to

> reach the marrow better. We'll see. But electricity failed utterly

> in every CFS case personally contacted, just did not work. IT might

> be useful to disprove placebo effects, or in some cases of CFS where

> a microbe DOES take the central role in causing it. But it's a

> hodgepodge, and no diagnosis is clear. " You've got the symptoms of

> being worn out all the time " is precisely what it means. It's

> hardly a diagnosis. It's an echo in the room, the doctor saying

> back what the patient said to them when asked what seems to be the

> trouble? That does not mean it isn't very serious, it is. But it's

> also mysterious at this time, until we have a better test for it.

>

> bG

>

> > Hi Bob,

> >

> > My husband's cousin's wife was struck down with a high fever. The

> doctors

> > didn't know what it was so treated her with high doses of

> antibiotics in the

> > hospital. I remember her saying it didn't respond to the first

> antibiotics

> > but later responded to other antibiotics in high doses. She'd had

> > rheumatoid arthritis for at least 20 years and her legs were bowed

> and bent

> > but when she came home from the hospital her rheumatoid arthritis

> was cured.

> > I asked her if the doctors knew this? She said yes but they

> didn't act

> > excited about it.

> >

> > I think it is highly likely everything is caused by a bacteria or

> virus.

> >

> > Baugh

> >

> > ********************

> >

> > > It seems that this, and possibly other forms of painful events in

> > > the body may have some germ at root. Looking up on google.com

> > > instantly turned up the refence to it.

> > >

> > > I've been curious about rheumatoid arthritis, too. That is much

> more

> > > prevalent than OM (2 in 10,000 for OM). Some 21 year olds have

> > > turned up with RA on returning from Mexico. 21 is very young to

> be

> > > seeing that effect, so possibly a microbe or poison of some kind

> > > triggered it. If microbes are involved, and can respond to

> > > electricity this would be a godsend for the sufferers with RA,

> too.

> > >

> > >

> > > bG

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------

>

>

>

>

> The information on this group is not intended as medical advice. Most

group members are NOT doctors or health authorities. Please do not request

medical advice, lest anyone get into trouble out of human compassion. There

are huge fines and issues currently involved with unlicensed medical advice.

The group is only here to share experiences according to the theme of the

group, namely testing if electrical stimulus might inactivate microbes, as

it seems to have done in the Einstein Medical College labs. We are

interested in your results, but cannot say anything about repeatability, or

whether this might have medical benefits. Thanks, for your understanding,

good luck researching. --bG

>

[Guest guest]

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For an excellent explanation of this go to www.gethealthyagain.com see report on Autoimmune and Enzymes.

Rheumatoid arthritis

Hi - I've got someone who has RA, any advice from anyone who is/was treating to pass on to me? Many thanks.............................................

[Guest guest]

Louise Hay says RA steps from " deep criticism of authority. Feeling

very put upon. " You may want to explore that. It would seem that

those with RA don't let insults and hurts roll off their back and

molehills become mountains and before you know it, truth is distorted.

is Rotella, M.Ac.

> Hi - I've got someone who has RA, any advice from anyone who is/was

> treating to pass on to me? Many thanks.

[Guest guest]

Hi,

On the QX do the usual, test, look for pathogens as an underlying cause

especially candida, viruses, bacteria, toxic metals etc. Treat accordingly.

On test page type in Rheumatoid Arthritis and hit the search button if high

numbers zap from filter on drop down menu. Do the same for inflammation and

pain. Go to sarcode page, timed therapies, treatlymph system, do circulation

stimulation, and connective tissue stim. On the same page (sarcode) click on

pain and treat, also muscles. Check for allergies. Go to Superlearning timed

therapies. Do injured tissue treatment, anti-inflammation and pain

treatment. Go to NLP emotional and do top five. Do an Aura balancing (from

test page). In Biofeedback treat Autoagressive disorders and degeneration.

Go to test page,Information from drop down menus,Load Chartmaker and Colour

Reports,select Solutions, Calculate, get some ideas here to further look for

underlying causes. You can find more here by activating the Superconscious

Search.Close this panel and get more info. Ptobably enough here for two

sessions or more. Don't forget to do the autotherapies before any of this.

In Canada there is an excellent herbal anti-inflammatory product designed

with R.A. in mind. It is called Nuriflex, made by Naka and is a liquid so is

easily aand quickly absorbed. Follow your instincts but especially what your

client's body is asking for.

Phil

Rheumatoid arthritis

Hi - I've got someone who has RA, any advice from anyone who is/was

treating to pass on to me? Many thanks.

.............................................

[Guest guest]

Yes, you can have joint replacements with rheumatoid.

Doesn't cure the rheumatoid though incase that is what you were

thinking.

Aussie Margaret

rheumatoid arthritis

> Hiya guys

>

> I have a friend who's just been diagnosed with rheumatoid

arthritis of

> the hips and shoulder. Is is possible to have a joint

replacement

> performed with

> this disease?

>

> Any input would be very much appreciated!!!

>

> Mo

>

> Right Birmingham Hip Resurf 1st june 04

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Ortho expert:

Is there any way to gauge how much damage to your system the cortisone

shots do? For me shots, last aproximately 4-6 weeks and then the pain in

my hip is more debilitating than before. Because I have a daughter with

Down Syndrome, I have been postponing replacement/resurfacing surgery as

long as possible. After this weekend, of being barely able to walk- I

wonder if there is a point where the shots do more harm than good. My

last shot was in April- the one before in Dec. before that I think July

before that April....MJ

Jane Le Kanides

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[Guest guest]

THanks Margaret!

> Yes, you can have joint replacements with rheumatoid.

>

> Doesn't cure the rheumatoid though incase that is what you were

> thinking.

>

> Aussie Margaret

>

> rheumatoid arthritis

>

>

> > Hiya guys

> >

> > I have a friend who's just been diagnosed with rheumatoid

> arthritis of

> > the hips and shoulder. Is is possible to have a joint

> replacement

> > performed with

> > this disease?

> >

> > Any input would be very much appreciated!!!

> >

> > Mo

> >

> > Right Birmingham Hip Resurf 1st june 04

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

THanks Margaret!

> Yes, you can have joint replacements with rheumatoid.

>

> Doesn't cure the rheumatoid though incase that is what you were

> thinking.

>

> Aussie Margaret

>

> rheumatoid arthritis

>

>

> > Hiya guys

> >

> > I have a friend who's just been diagnosed with rheumatoid

> arthritis of

> > the hips and shoulder. Is is possible to have a joint

> replacement

> > performed with

> > this disease?

> >

> > Any input would be very much appreciated!!!

> >

> > Mo

> >

> > Right Birmingham Hip Resurf 1st june 04

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi Mo, I have lupus (similiar in diagnosis and

treatment to RA). My surgery is scheduled July 20.

We are taking extra precautions with the recovery

since Lupus likes to get in the way with healing.

--- moragmc100 <morag.mcintosh@...> wrote:

> Hiya guys

>

> I have a friend who's just been diagnosed with

> rheumatoid arthritis of

> the hips and shoulder. Is is possible to have a

> joint replacement

> performed with

> this disease?

>

> Any input would be very much appreciated!!!

>

> Mo

>

> Right Birmingham Hip Resurf 1st june 04

>

>

>

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Yes it is possible. My friend has several joint replacement surgeries. dash

Re: rheumatoid arthritis

Hi Mo, I have lupus (similiar in diagnosis andtreatment to RA). My surgery is scheduled July 20. We are taking extra precautions with the recoverysince Lupus likes to get in the way with healing. --- moragmc100 <morag.mcintosh@...> wrote:>

[Guest guest]

Thank you, Dr. Callum.

I've filed this in a folder " scabies " in our files for other

sufferers to note.

About time you posted this, I'd say! You bum, holding out on us?

Thx again, Dr. Kosmostarr, you're a great fighter in the cause.

bob

> In a message dated 23/09/2005 01:05:59 GMT Daylight Time,

dastsing@y...

> writes:

>

> hi

> i am esecallum

> i had scabies with severe itching.

> i used a zapper device for 2 days all over my body.

> i.e. hands legs ,whole body

> sides,etc.

> the scabies went away BUT my weak knees prior also improved to

normal as a

> side effect.

> ised the zapper for 3 to 5 hours a day over 3 days.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I have RA and if you email me, I will be happy to share my medications and

results from the Rheumatologist I see on a regular basis.

Jim

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