Guest guest Posted November 22, 2006 Report Share Posted November 22, 2006 PCOS can be treated with iodine http://www.helpmythyroid.com can you send me your email addy and I will send you sources Gracia circe@... Randolph wrote: Chuck, or Gracia: Hello knowledgeable people. I have a question. Where can you buy Cortisol on-line? I was taking Cortef, and it made me have such bad indigestion. I was looking up some natural alternatives, yet I really wanted the real deal. Also, I have also recently been diagnosed with PCOS (Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome), and am taking Metformin for it. Do you all know of any natural alternatives for this? Boy, I tell you, I have always had PCOS, and my new doc, God Bless him, just figured it out!!! One success story, my new Armour dose of 3 grains, is Wonderful.............. I appreciate any info. that you may have............ Blessings, Recent Activity a.. 14New Members Visit Your Group Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2007 Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 Soy dangers are summarized here: http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/index.html I recommend reading The Whole Soy Story http://www.thewholesoystory.com/ > > *Is too much soy bad for you if you are male? I take vco internally as I > read it blocks estrogen.* > *Someone care to elaborate?* > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2007 Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 *Thanks italian sapphire girl, you're a gem! LOL.* On 4/9/07, <italiansapphiregirl@...> wrote: > > Soy dangers are summarized here: > http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/index.html > > I recommend reading The Whole Soy Story > http://www.thewholesoystory.com/ > > > > > > *Is too much soy bad for you if you are male? I take vco internally > as I > > read it blocks estrogen.* > > *Someone care to elaborate?* > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2007 Report Share Posted May 15, 2007 Hi Lelita, I'm not sure if this helps but I have been reading a book called the shwartzbien principe and the woman who wrote it says that some people when they go onto a higher fat/ protein diet can gain weight temporarily because they have blown their metabolism duet to low fat diets and stimulants like alcohol and caffeine. I myself have gained a little weight on this diet but I'm just viewing it as part of the process and that once my body realises it isn't being starved anymore I will loose any that I need to. Also I'm becoming so happy that to be honest I think any man would find me more attractive than they did when I was skinny and miserable. not sure if that helps and would love to hear Bee's feedback on this metabolism idea pip xx > > Hi all, > > I have just come from my nutritionist, needless to say she completely > disagrees with this diet but dont worry she has not rattled me. > > One concern I do have though relates to soy and things she was saying. > I have been following this diet for 3 weeks now...pretty well, I will > be honest there have been slip ups but I am mostly on track and very > determined. Problem is I have lost no weight. > > Prior to starting this diet I had gained 10kg in 4 weeks, after > reintroducing grains and fruit to my diet. I had been trying to shift > this weight for 3 months before starting this diet and was hoping that > some of it would start to leave. I am not expecting miricales...just > some slow weight loss. > > My nutritionist says I wont loose weight on this programme because I > am nto getting enough nutrients form food...her main concern was > calcium so she rambled about soy for a while...I did some reading and Shouldn't I be able to loose weight on this programme? I exercise daily. > > Thanks all > > Lelita > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2007 Report Share Posted May 15, 2007 Hi Pip, Thank you...I know your right, health is so much more important than weight. And I am extremely lucky...I have the most beautifula nd supportive man in my life who adores me no matter what...he said to me last night as I was crying that the 3 things he wants in life for me are 1)to fix my tummy trouble as it has made my life difficult my whole life, 2) for me to see how beautiful I am and 3) to win millions so I can retire...he made the point that me losing weight is not even in his mind, because it means nothing to him. He is great. But it does matter to me. Thank you for your support though...and I totally agree any man is going to find you so much more attractive if you are happy!! Lelita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2007 Report Share Posted May 15, 2007 Hi Lelita, Regarding the calcium -- I'm not a nutritionist, but I think there are a lot of vegetable sources of calcium: kale is quite high, as are other leafy green veggies: broccoli, boc choi... http://www.carrotcafe.com/f/calevel.html Regarding the lack of other nutrients -- vegetables are very high in nutrients. Especially onions, cabbage, garlic, zucchini, avacado, boc choi, kale, etc..... Have you tried making yummy soups with all these vegetables? You are lucky to have such a loving and supportive husband. That is wonderful. I have been losing weight -- I think you will too, with time. I'm not a nutritionist -- but I've had successful weight loss in the past with counting calories. You may want to try this. But... the danger with focussing on it too much (that I've found, anyway) -- is then I kind of become a bit " obsessed " about food -- and it becomes more irritating that I'm limiting myself. The BEST thing to do is to get really really BUSY!! Then I find I don't eat out of boredom or just wanting what I'm restricting from myself. =) I know that I myself like the taste of butter and coconut so much that I am starting to go a bit nuts on it -- I think if you try to limit these and other fats, you should be ok. I am trying to eat more vegetables to fill up -- but it's kind of hard with such limitations. Are you drinking enough water? Sometimes I retain water when I'm not. Best, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2007 Report Share Posted May 15, 2007 Just re-read what you said about your man.... w o w. what a gem. hold onto him! you must be very caring yourself to have snagged such an empathetic and loving man. like attracts like! ~a. On 5/15/07, Auni Collis <auni.collis@...> wrote: > > Hi Lelita, > > Regarding the calcium -- I'm not a nutritionist, but I think there are a > lot of vegetable sources of calcium: kale is quite high, as are other leafy > green veggies: broccoli, boc choi... > http://www.carrotcafe.com/f/calevel.html > > Regarding the lack of other nutrients -- vegetables are very high in > nutrients. Especially onions, cabbage, garlic, zucchini, avacado, boc choi, > kale, etc..... Have you tried making yummy soups with all these vegetables? > > > You are lucky to have such a loving and supportive husband. That is > wonderful. I have been losing weight -- I think you will too, with time. > > I'm not a nutritionist -- but I've had successful weight loss in the past > with counting calories. You may want to try this. But... the danger with > focussing on it too much (that I've found, anyway) -- is then I kind of > become a bit " obsessed " about food -- and it becomes more irritating that > I'm limiting myself. The BEST thing to do is to get really really BUSY!! > Then I find I don't eat out of boredom or just wanting what I'm restricting > from myself. =) > > I know that I myself like the taste of butter and coconut so much that I > am starting to go a bit nuts on it -- I think if you try to limit these and > other fats, you should be ok. I am trying to eat more vegetables to fill up > -- but it's kind of hard with such limitations. > > Are you drinking enough water? Sometimes I retain water when I'm not. > > Best, > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2007 Report Share Posted May 15, 2007 > > Hi all, > > I have just come from my nutritionist, needless to say she completely disagrees with this diet but dont worry she has not rattled me. > > One concern I do have though relates to soy and things she was saying. I have been following this diet for 3 weeks now...pretty well, I will be honest there have been slip ups but I am mostly on track and very determined. Problem is I have lost no weight. > > Prior to starting this diet I had gained 10kg in 4 weeks, after > reintroducing grains and fruit to my diet. I had been trying to shift this weight for 3 months before starting this diet and was hoping that some of it would start to leave. I am not expecting miricales...just some slow weight loss. > > My nutritionist says I wont loose weight on this programme because I am nto getting enough nutrients form food...her main concern was > calcium so she rambled about soy for a while...I did some reading and there seems to be alot of conflicting info on soy...though some > studies agree with her. > > I am not agreeing or promoting soy...just wondering if there is any > truth to the idea of lack of food calcium and weight gain...I take > supplements but she says thats not good enough...It also concerns me as my mother has an underactive thyroid and I have read soy is bad for that too... Shouldn't I be able to loose weight on this programme? I exercise daily. ==>Some people do lose weight quite easily on this diet, while others have to work hard at it even while on this diet, and for others it takes a lot longer. There are so many factors involved which contributes to more weight. You are right that underactive thyroid is one, which is very common when you have candida. But like Shirley wrote about this week, her thyroid has normalize now but she's been on the program over a year. Candida interferes with all hormones in the body because its toxins make all of the body's cells go rigid. That means the body will have difficulty making hormones, and secondly hormones that are produced are less able to get into rigid cells where they are needed to do their job. Soy definitely is damaging to the thyroid. Other factors related to weight are metabolism which is defnitely slowed down due to candida (toxins making all of the body's cells go rigid, even white and red blood cells). Also the body creates body fat in order to store toxins away from vital inner organs. Some people's bodies will have a more difficult time getting those toxins out of body fat - niacin is a great help, but also it is important to cure candida first before getting too concerned about weight. I recommend 600 mg each of calcium and magnesium citrate in addition to the diet. But even then each person should regulate their own intake, but it should not be higher than those amounts. This diet does provide cal/mag and because it is high in fat more nutrients are absorbed from foods. Many people have suffered a lot of damage due to high doses of calcium, i.e. two of my dear friends. And many nutritionists do not understand this diet because many things go against what they've learned. That's why they often perscribe supplements, cleanses, amino acids, etc. are taken care of on this diet. And definitely when it comes to cal/mag " more is not better! " Read about the All Meat and Fat Diet experiment done by Stefanson and his friend for 1 year in a hospital under doctor's supervision. Even after a year on all meat and fat (about 75% fat & 25% meat) and no supplements they showed no signs of being deficient in calcium or vitamin C: http://www.biblelife.org/stefansson1.htm Bee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2007 Report Share Posted May 15, 2007 Hi Pip, Yes low-fat diets have caused a lot of problems, including overweight, but not only because it wrecks metabolism. Low-fat diets contain bad fats and oils which are toxic/poison to the body so the body will also build up fat to store away them away from vital inner organs. Unfortunately the body will incorporate bad oils and fats into making cell membranes, which makes them weak allowing more toxins in and making them less able to get rid of waste. This also affects the transporting and utilization of hormones. It takes about 4 years for all of the body's cells to become re- constructed the way they are supposed to be which is 50% saturated fat, except for lung cells that must be 100%. Bee > > Hi Lelita, > I'm not sure if this helps but I have been reading a book called the > shwartzbien principe and the woman who wrote it says that some people > when they go onto a higher fat/ protein diet can gain weight > temporarily because they have blown their metabolism duet to low fat > diets and stimulants like alcohol and caffeine. I myself have gained > a little weight on this diet but I'm just viewing it as part of the > process and that once my body realises it isn't being starved anymore > I will loose any that I need to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2007 Report Share Posted May 15, 2007 I've lost 134 pounds on this diet, although I've been plateau'd for about 6 months now. I believe in my case it's a combination of insulin resistance, a few diet backslides and the antibiotics I had to take in March for a bad ear infection. You definitely can lose weight on this diet. One, you've only been on the diet for three weeks, and two you had some slip-ups in the last three weeks. I find that even small slip ups on this diet can cause me big weight gain. In fact one slip even a minor one can take me a couple of weeks to get back to where I was. So if you are having more than one slip in three weeks, that's why you aren't losing. On this diet it's important to avoid cheating as much as you can because it will set you back quite a bit with healing and weight loss. Luv, Debby San , CA --- baldock07 <baldock07@...> wrote: > Hi all, > > I have just come from my nutritionist, needless to > say she completely > disagrees with this diet but dont worry she has not > rattled me. > > One concern I do have though relates to soy and > things she was saying. > I have been following this diet for 3 weeks > now...pretty well, I will > be honest there have been slip ups but I am mostly > on track and very > determined. Problem is I have lost no weight. ------------- Most people won't change until the pain of where they are exceeds the pain of change. Being willing to delay pleasure for a greater result is a sign of maturity. -- Dave Ramsey My son Hunter Hudson (10/11/04) http://debbypadilla.0catch.com/hunter/ Heal yourself with nutrition: http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2007 Report Share Posted May 15, 2007 --- Auni Collis <auni.collis@...> wrote: > Regarding the lack of other nutrients -- vegetables > are very high in > nutrients. Especially onions, cabbage, garlic, > zucchini, avacado, boc choi, > kale, etc..... Have you tried making yummy soups > with all these vegetables? There's a great list of veggies that have calcium here: http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/nutrients1.php Also search the site for eggshell calcium. > I'm not a nutritionist -- but I've had successful > weight loss in the past > with counting calories. You may want to try this. > But... the danger with > focussing on it too much (that I've found, anyway) > -- is then I kind of > become a bit " obsessed " about food -- and it becomes > more irritating that > I'm limiting myself. Counting calories is a double-edged sword. If you have too little, you slow your metabolism. If you have too many you can gain. Fitday calculates your calories burned in a day and I find it's pretty accurate. Hope that helps.. Luv, Debby San , CA ------------- Most people won't change until the pain of where they are exceeds the pain of change. Being willing to delay pleasure for a greater result is a sign of maturity. -- Dave Ramsey My son Hunter Hudson (10/11/04) http://debbypadilla.0catch.com/hunter/ Heal yourself with nutrition: http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2007 Report Share Posted July 8, 2007 lescase@... wrote: > Irene,, does soy have the same affect on the thymus in the other blood > types ? thanks! leslie Yes - also in other species. It's a problem separate from blood type. Namaste, Irene -- Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom. P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220. www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.) " Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2007 Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 Hilchie wrote: > Irene > > Tofu is a staple food in China and many Asian countries. > Is the tofu manufacture different in Asia Never went there - but it is the protein that is at issue - and that can't be " manufactured " differently - it comes from the soybean plant. > or is the thymus gland seriously affected in all Asian people? There are too few Asia-specific studies to suggest a difference in chronic disease incidence due to TH-2 skewing. The few studies that exist in Japan for example, say things like " diabetes thought to be lower incidence - perhaps due to lack of studies " and then they do a study and find it is not different - just perceived that way. Three main things damage the thymus - one is vaccinations (which maybe they have less of - or is that also perception?), next is catabolic steroids (like cortisone, prednisone etc and I do not know how badly those are abused in Asian lands, they are badly abused in USA, even available OTC!) and the third major cause of thymus damage and Th-2 skewing is soy protein. There's nothing to suggest Asian genome has some kind of resistance to damage. << I work in Asia and will often eat tofu daily. I have seen 2 or three different dishes with tofu served at one meal. Many Chinese drink hot soy milk daily as well. I don't drink soy milk but I do eat tofu. They have dried tofu snacks as well.>> It's hard to eat healthily here too:-) > I have no doubt that you are correct with your information. It's from multiple different research papers from multiple countries - you'll find it all in the National Library of Medicine. < I am just wondering why there isn't more medical problems in Asia with the daily use of soy?> How do you know there is not? Are you saying there is no chronic disease there? Research shows otherwise. What is perhaps relevant is that once the immune system is skewed - the chronic diseases people get will vary according to other factors - perhaps hepatitis in Asia is more common than fibromyalgia in USA for example. The point is that a skewed immune system predisposes one to getting chronic diseases. For example there is a study ion Korean-American immigrants and the kinds of chronic diseases they get after immigration are different from the common ones in Korea. So it's not that they get more chronic diseases in USa but they get different ones. In your shoes I'd be looking for fish, eggs and meat, not soy as a protein source. Namaste, IRene -- Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom. P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220. www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.) " Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2007 Report Share Posted August 15, 2007 Here's a link and page one of a three page article you can find there: http://www.mercola.com/article/soy/avoid_soy.htm Newest Research On Why You Should Avoid Soy *Page 1 of 3 (Page 2 <http://www.mercola.com/article/soy/avoid_soy2.htm>, Page 3 <http://www.mercola.com/article/soy/avoid_soy3.htm>)* *by Sally Fallon & G. Enig, Ph.D.* *Cinderella's Dark Side * The propaganda that has created the soy sales miracle is all the more remarkable because, only a few decades ago, the soybean was considered unfit to eat - even in Asia. During the Chou Dynasty (1134-246 BC) the soybean was designated one of the five sacred grains, along with barley, wheat, millet and rice. However, the pictograph for the soybean, which dates from earlier times, indicates that it was not first used as a food; for whereas the pictographs for the other four grains show the seed and stem structure of the plant, the pictograph for the soybean emphasizes the root structure. Agricultural literature of the period speaks frequently of the soybean and its use in crop rotation. Apparently the soy plant was initially used as a method of fixing nitrogen.13 The soybean did not serve as a food until the discovery of fermentation techniques, some time during the Chou Dynasty. The first soy foods were fermented products like tempeh, natto, miso and soy sauce. At a later date, possibly in the 2nd century BC, Chinese scientists discovered that a purée of cooked soybeans could be precipitated with calcium sulfate or magnesium sulfate (plaster of Paris or Epsom salts) to make a smooth, pale curd - tofu or bean curd. The use of fermented and precipitated soy products soon spread to other parts of the Orient, notably Japan and Indonesia. The Chinese did not eat unfermented soybeans as they did other legumes such as lentils because the soybean contains large quantities of natural toxins or " antinutrients " . First among them are potent enzyme inhibitors that block the action of trypsin and other enzymes needed for protein digestion. These inhibitors are large, tightly folded proteins that are not completely deactivated during ordinary cooking. They can produce serious gastric distress, reduced protein digestion and chronic deficiencies in amino acid uptake. In test animals, diets high in trypsin inhibitors cause enlargement and pathological conditions of the pancreas, including cancer.14 Soybeans also contain haemagglutinin, a clot-promoting substance that causes red blood cells to clump together. Trypsin inhibitors and haemagglutinin are growth inhibitors. Weanling rats fed soy containing these antinutrients fail to grow normally. Growth-depressant compounds are deactivated during the process of fermentation, so once the Chinese discovered how to ferment the soybean, they began to incorporate soy foods into their diets. In precipitated products, enzyme inhibitors concentrate in the soaking liquid rather than in the curd. Thus, in tofu and bean curd, growth depressants are reduced in quantity but not completely eliminated. *Soy also contains goitrogens - substances that depress thyroid function.* Additionally 99% a very large percentage of soy is genetically modified and it also has one of the highest percentages contamination by pesticides of any of our foods. Soybeans are high in phytic acid, present in the bran or hulls of all seeds. It's a substance that can block the uptake of essential minerals - calcium, magnesium, copper, iron and especially zinc - in the intestinal tract. Although not a household word, phytic acid has been extensively studied; there are literally hundreds of articles on the effects of phytic acid in the current scientific literature. Scientists are in general agreement that grain- and legume-based diets high in phytates contribute to widespread mineral deficiencies in third world countries.15 Analysis shows that calcium, magnesium, iron and zinc are present in the plant foods eaten in these areas, but the high phytate content of soy- and grain-based diets prevents their absorption. The soybean has one of the highest phytate levels of any grain or legume that has been studied,16 and the phytates in soy are highly resistant to normal phytate-reducing techniques such as long, slow cooking.17 Only a long period of fermentation will significantly reduce the phytate content of soybeans. When precipitated soy products like tofu are consumed with meat, the mineral-blocking effects of the phytates are reduced.18 The Japanese traditionally eat a small amount of tofu or miso as part of a mineral-rich fish broth, followed by a serving of meat or fish. Vegetarians who consume tofu and bean curd as a substitute for meat and dairy products risk severe mineral deficiencies. The results of calcium, magnesium and iron deficiency are well known; those of zinc are less so. Zinc is called the intelligence mineral because it is needed for optimal development and functioning of the brain and nervous system. It plays a role in protein synthesis and collagen formation; it is involved in the blood-sugar control mechanism and thus protects against diabetes; it is needed for a healthy reproductive system. Zinc is a key component in numerous vital enzymes and plays a role in the immune system. Phytates found in soy products interfere with zinc absorption more completely than with other minerals.19 Zinc deficiency can cause a " spacey " feeling that some vegetarians may mistake for the " high " of spiritual enlightenment. Milk drinking is given as the reason why second-generation Japanese in America grow taller than their native ancestors. Some investigators postulate that the reduced phytate content of the American diet - whatever may be its other deficiencies - is the true explanation, pointing out that both Asian and Western children who do not get enough meat and fish products to counteract the effects of a high phytate diet, frequently suffer rickets, stunting and other growth problems.20 *Soy Protein Isolate: Not So Friendly * Soy processors have worked hard to get these antinutrients out of the finished product, particularly soy protein isolate (SPI) which is the key ingredient in most soy foods that imitate meat and dairy products, including baby formulas and some brands of soy milk. SPI is not something you can make in your own kitchen. Production takes place in industrial factories where a slurry of soy beans is first mixed with an alkaline solution to remove fiber, then precipitated and separated using an acid wash and, finally, neutralized in an alkaline solution. Acid washing in aluminum tanks leaches high levels of aluminum into the final product. The resultant curds are spray- dried at high temperatures to produce a high-protein powder. A final indignity to the original soybean is high-temperature, high-pressure extrusion processing of soy protein isolate to produce textured vegetable protein (TVP). Much of the trypsin inhibitor content can be removed through high-temperature processing, but not all. Trypsin inhibitor content of soy protein isolate can vary as much as fivefold.21 (In rats, even low-level trypsin inhibitor SPI feeding results in reduced weight gain compared to controls.22) But high-temperature processing has the unfortunate side-effect of so denaturing the other proteins in soy that they are rendered largely ineffective.23 That's why animals on soy feed need lysine supplements for normal growth. Nitrites, which are potent carcinogens, are formed during spray-drying, and a toxin called lysinoalanine is formed during alkaline processing.24 Numerous artificial flavorings, particularly MSG, are added to soy protein isolate and textured vegetable protein products to mask their strong " beany " taste and to impart the flavor of meat.25 In feeding experiments, the use of SPI increased requirements for vitamins E, K, D and B12 and created deficiency symptoms of calcium, magnesium, manganese, molybdenum, copper, iron and zinc.26 Phytic acid remaining in these soy products greatly inhibits zinc and iron absorption; test animals fed SPI develop enlarged organs, particularly the pancreas and thyroid gland, and increased deposition of fatty acids in the liver.27 Yet soy protein isolate and textured vegetable protein are used extensively in school lunch programs, commercial baked goods, diet beverages and fast food products. They are heavily promoted in third world countries and form the basis of many food giveaway programs. In spite of poor results in animal feeding trials, the soy industry has sponsored a number of studies designed to show that soy protein products can be used in human diets as a replacement for traditional foods. An example is " Nutritional Quality of Soy Bean Protein Isolates: Studies in Children of Preschool Age " , sponsored by the Ralston Purina Company.28 A group of Central American children suffering from malnutrition was first stabilized and brought into better health by feeding them native foods, including meat and dairy products. Then, for a two-week period, these traditional foods were replaced by a drink made of soy protein isolate and sugar. All nitrogen taken in and all nitrogen excreted was measured in truly Orwellian fashion: the children were weighed naked every morning, and all excrement and vomit gathered up for analysis. The researchers found that the children retained nitrogen and that their growth was " adequate " , so the experiment was declared a success. Whether the children were actually healthy on such a diet, or could remain so over a long period, is another matter. The researchers noted that the children vomited " occasionally " , usually after finishing a meal; that over half suffered from periods of moderate diarrhea; that some had upper respiratory infections; and that others suffered from rash and fever. It should be noted that the researchers did not dare to use soy products to help the children recover from malnutrition, and were obliged to supplement the soy-sugar mixture with nutrients largely absent in soy products - notably, vitamins A, D and B12, iron, iodine and zinc. *Marketing The Perfect Food * " Just imagine you could grow the perfect food. This food not only would provide affordable nutrition, but also would be delicious and easy to prepare in a variety of ways. It would be a healthful food, with no saturated fat. In fact, you would be growing a virtual fountain of youth on your back forty. " The author is Dean Houghton, writing for The Furrow,2 a magazine published in 12 languages by Deere. " This ideal food would help prevent, and perhaps reverse, some of the world's most dreaded diseases. You could grow this miracle crop in a variety of soils and climates. Its cultivation would build up, not deplete, the land...this miracle food already exists... It's called soy. " Just imagine. Farmers have been imagining - and planting more soy. What was once a minor crop, listed in the 1913 US Department of Agriculture (USDA) handbook not as a food but as an industrial product, now covers 72 million acres of American farmland. Much of this harvest will be used to feed chickens, turkeys, pigs, cows and salmon. Another large fraction will be squeezed to produce oil for margarine, shortenings and salad dressings. Advances in technology make it possible to produce isolated soy protein from what was once considered a waste product - the defatted, high-protein soy chips - and then transform something that looks and smells terrible into products that can be consumed by human beings. Flavorings, preservatives, sweeteners, emulsifiers and synthetic nutrients have turned soy protein isolate, the food processors' ugly duckling, into a New Age Cinderella. The new fairy-tale food has been marketed not so much for her beauty but for her virtues. Early on, products based on soy protein isolate were sold as extenders and meat substitutes - a strategy that failed to produce the requisite consumer demand. The industry changed its approach. " The quickest way to gain product acceptability in the less affluent society, " said an industry spokesman, " is to have the product consumed on its own merit in a more affluent society. " 3 So soy is now sold to the upscale consumer, not as a cheap, poverty food but as a miracle substance that will prevent heart disease and cancer, whisk away hot flushes, build strong bones and keep us forever young. The competition - meat, milk, cheese, butter and eggs - has been duly demonised by the appropriate government bodies. Soy serves as meat and milk for a new generation of virtuous vegetarians. *Marketing Costs Money* This is especially when it needs to be bolstered with " research " , but there's plenty of funds available. All soybean producers pay a mandatory assessment of one-half to one per cent of the net market price of soybeans. The total - something like US$80 million annually4 - supports United Soybean's program to " strengthen the position of soybeans in the marketplace and maintain and expand domestic and foreign markets for uses for soybeans and soybean products " . State soybean councils from land, Nebraska, Delaware, Arkansas, Virginia, North Dakota and Michigan provide another $2.5 million for " research " .5 Private companies like Archer s Midland also contribute their share. ADM spent $4.7 million for advertising on Meet the Press and $4.3 million on Face the Nation during the course of a year.6 Public relations firms help convert research projects into newspaper articles and advertising copy, and law firms lobby for favorable government regulations. IMF money funds soy processing plants in foreign countries, and free trade policies keep soybean abundance flowing to overseas destinations. The push for more soy has been relentless and global in its reach. Soy protein is now found in most supermarket breads. It is being used to transform " the humble tortilla, Mexico's corn-based staple food, into a protein-fortified 'super-tortilla' that would give a nutritional boost to the nearly 20 million Mexicans who live in extreme poverty " .7 Advertising for a new soy-enriched loaf from Allied Bakeries in Britain targets menopausal women seeking relief from hot flushes. Sales are running at a quarter of a million loaves per week.8 The soy industry hired Norman Associates, a public relations firm, to " get more soy products onto school menus " .9 The USDA responded with a proposal to scrap the 30 per cent limit for soy in school lunches. The NuMenu program would allow unlimited use of soy in student meals. With soy added to hamburgers, tacos and lasagna, dieticians can get the total fat content below 30 per cent of calories, thereby conforming to government dictates. " With the soy-enhanced food items, students are receiving better servings of nutrients and less cholesterol and fat. " Soy milk has posted the biggest gains, soaring from $2 million in 1980 to $300 million in the US last year.10 Recent advances in processing have transformed the gray, thin, bitter, beany-tasting Asian beverage into a product that Western consumers will accept - one that tastes like a milkshake, but without the guilt. Processing miracles, good packaging, massive advertising and a marketing strategy that stresses the products' possible health benefits account for increasing sales to all age groups. For example, reports that soy helps prevent prostate cancer have made soy milk acceptable to middle-aged men. " You don't have to twist the arm of a 55- to 60-year-old guy to get him to try soy milk, " says Mark Messina. Milken, former junk bond financier, has helped the industry shed its hippie image with well-publicized efforts to consume 40 grams of soy protein daily. America today, tomorrow the world. Soy milk sales are rising in Canada, even though soy milk there costs twice as much as cow's milk. Soybean milk processing plants are sprouting up in places like Kenya.11 Even China, where soy really is a poverty food and whose people want more meat, not tofu, has opted to build Western-style soy factories rather than develop western grasslands for grazing animals.12 *FDA Health Claim Challenged* On October 25, 1999 the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) decided to allow a health claim for products " low in saturated fat and cholesterol " that contain 6.25 grams of soy protein per serving. Breakfast cereals, baked goods, convenience food, smoothie mixes and meat substitutes could now be sold with labels touting benefits to cardiovascular health, as long as these products contained one heaping teaspoon of soy protein per 100-gram serving. The best marketing strategy for a product that is inherently unhealthy is, of course, a health claim. " The road to FDA approval, " writes a soy apologist, " was long and demanding, consisting of a detailed review of human clinical data collected from more than 40 scientific studies conducted over the last 20 years. Soy protein was found to be one of the rare foods that had sufficient scientific evidence not only to qualify for an FDA health claim proposal but to ultimately pass the rigorous approval process. " 29 The " long and demanding " road to FDA approval actually took a few unexpected turns. The original petition, submitted by Protein Technology International, requested a health claim for isoflavones, the estrogen-like compounds found plentifully in soybeans, based on assertions that " only soy protein that has been processed in a manner in which isoflavones are retained will result in cholesterol lowering " . In 1998, the FDA made the unprecedented move of rewriting PTI's petition, removing any reference to the phyto-estrogens and substituting a claim for soy protein - a move that was in direct contradiction to the agency's regulations. The FDA is authorized to make rulings only on substances presented by petition. The abrupt change in direction was no doubt due to the fact that a number of researchers, including scientists employed by the US Government, submitted documents indicating that isoflavones are toxic. The FDA had also received, early in 1998, the final British Government report on phytoestrogens, which failed to find much evidence of benefit and warned against potential adverse effects.30 Even with the change to soy protein isolate, FDA bureaucrats engaged in the " rigorous approval process " were forced to deal nimbly with concerns about mineral blocking effects, enzyme inhibitors, goitrogenicity, endocrine disruption, reproductive problems and increased allergic reactions from consumption of soy products.31 One of the strongest letters of protest came from Dr Dan Sheehan and Dr Doerge, government researchers at the National Center for Toxicological Research.32 Their pleas for warning labels were dismissed as unwarranted. " Sufficient scientific evidence " of soy's cholesterol-lowering properties is drawn largely from a 1995 meta-analysis by Dr , sponsored by Protein Technologies International and published in the New England Journal of Medicine.33 A meta-analysis is a review and summary of the results of many clinical studies on the same subject. Use of meta-analyses to draw general conclusions has come under sharp criticism by members of the scientific community. " Researchers substituting meta-analysis for more rigorous trials risk making faulty assumptions and indulging in creative accounting, " says Sir , President of the Royal Society of New Zealand. " Like is not being lumped with like. Little lumps and big lumps of data are being gathered together by various groups. " 34 There is the added temptation for researchers, particularly researchers funded by a company like Protein Technologies International, to leave out studies that would prevent the desired conclusions. Dr discarded eight studies for various reasons, leaving a remainder of twenty-nine. The published report suggested that individuals with cholesterol levels over 250 mg/dl would experience a " significant " reduction of 7 to 20 per cent in levels of serum cholesterol if they substituted soy protein for animal protein. Cholesterol reduction was insignificant for individuals whose cholesterol was lower than 250 mg/dl. In other words, for most of us, giving up steak and eating vegieburgers instead will not bring down blood cholesterol levels. The health claim that the FDA approved " after detailed review of human clinical data " fails to inform the consumer about these important details. Research that ties soy to positive effects on cholesterol levels is " incredibly immature " , said M. Krauss, MD, head of the Molecular Medical Research Program and Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory.35 He might have added that studies in which cholesterol levels were lowered through either diet or drugs have consistently resulted in a greater number of deaths in the treatment groups than in controls - deaths from stroke, cancer, intestinal disorders, accident and suicide.36 Cholesterol-lowering measures in the US have fuelled a $60 billion per year cholesterol-lowering industry, but have not saved us from the ravages of heart disease. > soy > <hypothyroidism/message/30670;_ylc=X3oDMTJxM29wa2N\ vBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMzA2NzAEc2V\ jA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTE4NzIzODI5NQ--> > > > > Posted by: " sweetenloe1 " sweetnwright@... > <mailto:sweetnwright@...?Subject=%20Re%3Asoy> sweetenloe1 > <sweetenloe1> > > > Wed Aug 15, 2007 9:24 pm (PST) > > anyone have any good articles on soy? 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Guest guest Posted March 22, 2008 Report Share Posted March 22, 2008 I feed my kids Soy burgers - they love them, surely they are better than fast food. They also love Soy chicken patties...are they bad too? **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030\ 000000001) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2008 Report Share Posted March 22, 2008 > I feed my kids Soy burgers - they love them, surely they are better than > fast food. They also love Soy chicken patties...are they bad too? > Sorry, I'm just catching up on my emails. Yep, they're bad too. You basically want to stick to fermented soy products like tempeh, miso and soy sauce - anything else is not good for you. Even edamame, which seems to be the latest " healthy food " . Weston Price has some great into on soy. Magda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2008 Report Share Posted March 22, 2008 My son has been HIGHLY sensitive to soy since birth. I never gave formula, so he didn't get it that way, but I couldn't even eat soy sauce, or any other soy product (still can't) because my breast milk would bother him. I had to do the same thing with most dairy products when he was an infant, but have been gradually able to add them back into my diet. NOT soy though! He's two and still can't tolerate it at all. It makes him fussy, irritable and gassy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2008 Report Share Posted March 23, 2008 At 08:40 PM 3/22/2008, you wrote: > > I feed my kids Soy burgers - they love them, surely they are better >than > > fast food. They also love Soy chicken patties...are they bad too? > > >Sorry, I'm just catching up on my emails. Yep, they're bad too. You >basically want to stick to fermented soy products like tempeh, miso >and soy sauce - anything else is not good for you. Even edamame, which >seems to be the latest " healthy food " . Weston Price has some great >into on soy. >Magda http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/index.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2008 Report Share Posted April 21, 2008 > > Hi all - > Sorry for posting before i read over the material. I saw mention of > there being a list of foods that are allowed on this diet but was not > able to locate it. I am a vegetarian (no fish, either) and just read > that soy is bad, too. I am really not sure what to eat! I am heading > to whole foods now to get some of the essentials: oregano oil, coconut > oil, pau d'arco... > This site is filled with wonderful information. I am so happy to have > found it!! ==>Hi . If I haven't welcomed you before, welcome! The food list is here, on my website: http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/menu2_2.php Also I suggest you read about vegetarianism and the dangers of it: http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/foods34.php The best in health, Bee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2008 Report Share Posted April 21, 2008 Thanks for all the replies to my soy thread. I am having a hard time finding things that are okay for me to eat, since i am a vegetarian. I dont have much choice to eat soy products (since i will not eat meat) - but i do get non GMO jerkies and organic tofu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2008 Report Share Posted April 22, 2008 If you decide not not eat meat, unfortunately, you probably will not get well either. You will eventually have to choose health over convictions. Life is short. Doug > > Thanks for all the replies to my soy thread. I am having a hard time > finding things that are okay for me to eat, since i am a vegetarian. > I dont have much choice to eat soy products (since i will not eat > meat) - but i do get non GMO jerkies and organic tofu. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2008 Report Share Posted April 22, 2008 > If you decide not not eat meat, unfortunately, you probably will not > get well either. You will eventually have to choose health over > convictions. Life is short. > > Doug Hi Doug - Thanks for your reply. Why is meat necessary for this diet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2008 Report Share Posted April 22, 2008 > > Hi Doug - > Thanks for your reply. Why is meat necessary for this diet? > > Only animal protein has the amino acids that are necessary for our immune system and body to work properly (amino acids also help to curb cravings for sugar). Meats also has unique trace minerals and our bodies are made to digest both vegetables and meats. Animal protein is also quite easy for our bodies to digest if it's eaten together with good fats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2008 Report Share Posted April 27, 2008 > > Chuck do you have the info on soy being bad? > crystal > > " Aslan, " said Lucy, " you're bigger. " > (Deep soft voice) " That is becuase you are older, little one, " answered he. > " Not because you are? " > " I am not. But every year you grow, you will find me bigger. " > ------ Lucy and Aslan in Prince Caspian > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2008 Report Share Posted April 27, 2008 Crystal wrote: > > > Chuck do you have the info on soy being bad? It's in the FAQ I posted yesterday. Google will give you a ton of sources. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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