Guest guest Report post Posted June 19, 2000 , I am very skeptical about soy now after what I read on www.nexusmagazine.com. I cannot tolerate soybeans anyway and have always felt I shouldn't be drinking soy milk even before I read anything negative about it. I ate so much tofu at one stage that I was starting to throw up when ever I ate it. Sherry >From: " MVM " <MVMobley@...> >Reply-egroups ><egroups> >Subject: Soy >Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 22:06:24 -0500 > >Thought you might be interested in this, too... > >, Mississippi Gulf Coast, USA >===================================== > >February 11, 2000 > >Soy: FDA Takes Bean's Benefits to Heart >From The January issue of Herb & Dietary Supplement Report > >In October, the FDA ruled that soy protein products can carry >cholesterol-lowering health claims on their labels. While the FDA's >ruling >is based on evidence from clinical trials, there is potential for the >consumer to be misled. Healthcare professionals must help consumers >understand the differences between soy products. >By Hoeckh, R.Ph. > >Recently, the FDA ruled that manufacturers of soy protein products can >claim >on product labels that 25 g/day of soy protein, as part of a diet low in >saturated fat and cholesterol, may reduce the risk of coronary artery >disease. The FDA ruling is based on studies showing that dietary >consumption >of soy protein can lower total and low-density lipoprotein (LDL) >cholesterol >levels. The FDA reviewed approximately 40 human studies published >between >1976 and 1999. Some of the studies reviewed are summarized below. > >* Researchers conducted a meta-analysis of 38 clinical trials on soy's >effects on cholesterol levels ( et al). Most of the studies >included >both men and women, while four studies included only children. Decreases >in >total cholesterol occurred in 34 of 38 studies. The type of soy protein >used >was either isolated soy protein or texturized soy protein. Soy intake >averaged 47 g/day. When compared with control diets, ingestion of both >isolated and textured soy protein decreased total and LDL cholesterol by >9.3 >and 12.9 percent, respectively. Individuals with the highest baseline >cholesterol concentrations had the greatest reductions in total and LDL >cholesterol. High-density lipoprotein (HDL) cholesterol did not change >significantly and triglycerides decreased by 10.5 percent. > >* Investigators concluded that 25 g/day of isolated soy protein, with >or without soybean fiber, can reduce total cholesterol in men who have >elevated cholesterol levels(>5.7 mmol/L) (Bakhit et al). These findings >support the hypothesis that soy protein, not soy fiber, is responsible >for >lipid reduction. > >* In a randomized, double-blind, crossover trial, 20 g of soy protein >powder reduced total and LDL cholesterol in perimenopausal women by 6 >and 7 >percent, respectively (Washburn et al). > >Source: Food vs. Supplements >Healthcare professionals should be ready to answer patients' questions >about >whether the FDA's ruling applies to soy supplements (e.g., tablets, >capsules, and powders). The FDA ruling pertains to low-fat soy protein >products and does not specifically refer to soy isoflavones, which are >sold >as dietary supplements for symptoms of menopause in tablet and capsule >forms. (Isoflavones are estrogen-like components in soy.) At this time, >the >evidence for isoflavones' effects on serum lipids is inconsistent. In >addition, the long-term consequences of ingesting concentrated >isoflavones >is unknown. Because soyfoods, including powders, have shown positive >effects >on cholesterol, individuals should consume soyfoods, as opposed to >isoflavone supplements, for cholesterol-lowering purposes. (See table >below.) > > ISOFLAVONE AND PROTEIN CONTENT OF SOYFOODS >Food Serving (g) Protein (g/100g) Isoflavones/(mg/100g^) >Soy protein concentrate 28 63.6 Daidzein/* Genistein/* Total >isoflavones/* >Soy protein isolate 28 92 Daidzein/33.6 Genistein 59.6 Total >isoflavones/97.4 >Tempeh, uncooked 114 17 Daidzein/17.6 Genistein/24.9 Total >isoflavones/43.5 >Tofu, firm, uncooked 114 15.8 Daidzein/11.1 Genistein/15.6 Total >isoflavones/27.9 > >^ Planting season, growing conditions, and processing influence >isoflavone >content of soybeans. * Depending on how it is processed, soy protein >concentrate may have a large or small concentration of isoflavones; >alcoholic extraction, compared with aqueous extraction, results in a >significant loss of isoflavones. > > >The Bottom Line >In the preceding studies, soy-based diets and control diets were similar >in >fat and cholesterol content. Changes in total and LDL cholesterol were >directly related to initial cholesterol concentrations. Some studies >have >demonstrated soy's ability to reduce triglycerides, yet it does not >appear >to have significant effects on HDL. The actions of isolated isoflavones >are >conflicting, and soy fiber does not appear to affect lipemia. The FDA >moved >in the right direction with its ruling that 25 g/day of soy protein can >reduce cholesterol levels. However, a number of questions still remain: >What >is soy protein's mechanism of action; what is soy's effect on blood >pressure; and, does it interact with other medications? >Note: In the next issue, Hoeckh will present an overview of the >existing research on soy for women's health, specifically osteoporosis >and >breast cancer. > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 18, 2001 ANYTHING in excess is bad for you. ANYTHING >From: " & Troy Lucas " <lucasjt@...> >Reply-Vaccinations ><Vaccinations > >Subject: soy >Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 13:04:52 -0500 > >You know you get to a point in life where you just can't give up any more >things. I've given up vaccinating, most allopathic medicines, meat, a lot >of dairy, wearing leather, but now soy? Is anything really 100% good for >you anymore? Everything claims to be the WORST thing for you. They all >are causing similar problems. Is anyone else feeling damned if you do and >damned if you don't too? > L. >Proud mom to Autumn 1-13-97 & Zoe 8-8-00 > > children's vitamins...Please notadult > > >vitamins.....? > > >Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 11:09:44 -0700 > > > > > >I would not give babies any vita ins.. If you are breast feeding > > I would > > >also suggest that you stop taking that vitamin.. Baby's who are > > feed > > >vitamin supplements or who are breast feed and mother is taking a > > multiple > > >vitamin/mineral with IRON (even organic) can be very colicky... > > Most times > > >to prevent or to stop colic in a new born I do not suggest a > > homeopathic > > >remedy but to just discontinue the vitamin/mineral supplement > > that mother > > >is > > >using on either herself if she is nursing or baby if he/she is > > being bottle > > >feed.. > > > > > >I suggest lost of DISTILLED WATER for mother and for bottle feed > > baby... > > >Keep the system flushed.... There are organic cow's milk and soy > > milk > > >formulas available to bottle feed babies... Nothing that says > > " Fortified > > >with IRON " should be used in any way.... Anemia is not a lack of > > iron as > > >much as it is a lack of " assimilation " of diet. And if you > > cannot > > >assimilate whole foods how can you assimilate supplemental > > liquids or > > >pills... Please NO VITAMIN SUPPLEMENTS..... EAT GOOD FOOD.... > > > > > > > >If you feed only one thing to your child over and over they will > > become > > >deficient. Offer many different foods. They will eat when they > > are > > >hungry. Just stick it out... They will make they right > > choices... Don't > > >let Grandma or GrandPap in there to feed them some Junky foods > > while you > > >are > > >changing their diets.... Don't think that " they will die if I > > don't feed > > >them SOMETHING " . They will eat when they are hungry and you > > cannot > > >imagine > > >how quickly they will pick up those peas or green beans or > > carrots or > > >peaches if they are available to them long enough... When a > > baby is > > >hungry, they will eat.... > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: Lashanna Small <lashannasmall@...> > > > > > > > Speaking of kids vitamins, I was thinking about giving my baby > > the same > > > > whole foods vitamin I take. I was going to crush it and give > > her a tiny > > > > dose. Is this wise? I cannot find a children's whole foods > > > > vitamin. > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 18, 2001 I think there is one thing missing in all of these discussions about what is good and what is bad and that is mental attitude. If a food makes you feel good why not indulge occasionally? children's vitamins...Please notadult > > >vitamins.....? > > >Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 11:09:44 -0700 > > > > > >I would not give babies any vita ins.. If you are breast feeding > > I would > > >also suggest that you stop taking that vitamin.. Baby's who are > > feed > > >vitamin supplements or who are breast feed and mother is taking a > > multiple > > >vitamin/mineral with IRON (even organic) can be very colicky... > > Most times > > >to prevent or to stop colic in a new born I do not suggest a > > homeopathic > > >remedy but to just discontinue the vitamin/mineral supplement > > that mother > > >is > > >using on either herself if she is nursing or baby if he/she is > > being bottle > > >feed.. > > > > > >I suggest lost of DISTILLED WATER for mother and for bottle feed > > baby... > > >Keep the system flushed.... There are organic cow's milk and soy > > milk > > >formulas available to bottle feed babies... Nothing that says > > " Fortified > > >with IRON " should be used in any way.... Anemia is not a lack of > > iron as > > >much as it is a lack of " assimilation " of diet. And if you > > cannot > > >assimilate whole foods how can you assimilate supplemental > > liquids or > > >pills... Please NO VITAMIN SUPPLEMENTS..... EAT GOOD FOOD.... > > > > > > > >If you feed only one thing to your child over and over they will > > become > > >deficient. Offer many different foods. They will eat when they > > are > > >hungry. Just stick it out... They will make they right > > choices... Don't > > >let Grandma or GrandPap in there to feed them some Junky foods > > while you > > >are > > >changing their diets.... Don't think that " they will die if I > > don't feed > > >them SOMETHING " . They will eat when they are hungry and you > > cannot > > >imagine > > >how quickly they will pick up those peas or green beans or > > carrots or > > >peaches if they are available to them long enough... When a > > baby is > > >hungry, they will eat.... > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: Lashanna Small <lashannasmall@...> > > > > > > > Speaking of kids vitamins, I was thinking about giving my baby > > the same > > > > whole foods vitamin I take. I was going to crush it and give > > her a tiny > > > > dose. Is this wise? I cannot find a children's whole foods > > > > vitamin. > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 19, 2001 Why does bad food make you feel good? I mean there are plenty of things to indulge in without falling off the wagon so to speak. S. lindaharman wrote: > I think there is one thing missing in all of these discussions about > what is good and what is bad and that is mental attitude. If a food > makes you feel good why not indulge occasionally? > > children's vitamins...Please > notadult > > > >vitamins.....? > > > >Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 11:09:44 -0700 > > > > > > > >I would not give babies any vita ins.. If you are breast > feeding > > > I would > > > >also suggest that you stop taking that vitamin.. Baby's > who are > > > feed > > > >vitamin supplements or who are breast feed and mother is > taking a > > > multiple > > > >vitamin/mineral with IRON (even organic) can be very > colicky... > > > Most times > > > >to prevent or to stop colic in a new born I do not > suggest a > > > homeopathic > > > >remedy but to just discontinue the vitamin/mineral > supplement > > > that mother > > > >is > > > >using on either herself if she is nursing or baby if > he/she is > > > being bottle > > > >feed.. > > > > > > > >I suggest lost of DISTILLED WATER for mother and for > bottle feed > > > baby... > > > >Keep the system flushed.... There are organic cow's milk > and soy > > > milk > > > >formulas available to bottle feed babies... Nothing that > says > > > " Fortified > > > >with IRON " should be used in any way.... Anemia is not a > lack of > > > iron as > > > >much as it is a lack of " assimilation " of diet. And if > you > > > cannot > > > >assimilate whole foods how can you assimilate > supplemental > > > liquids or > > > >pills... Please NO VITAMIN SUPPLEMENTS..... EAT GOOD > FOOD.... > > > > > > > > > > >If you feed only one thing to your child over and over > they will > > > become > > > >deficient. Offer many different foods. They will eat > when they > > > are > > > >hungry. Just stick it out... They will make they right > > > choices... Don't > > > >let Grandma or GrandPap in there to feed them some Junky > foods > > > while you > > > >are > > > >changing their diets.... Don't think that " they will die > if I > > > don't feed > > > >them SOMETHING " . They will eat when they are hungry and > you > > > cannot > > > >imagine > > > >how quickly they will pick up those peas or green beans > or > > > carrots or > > > >peaches if they are available to them long enough... > When a > > > baby is > > > >hungry, they will eat.... > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: Lashanna Small <lashannasmall@...> > > > > > > > > > Speaking of kids vitamins, I was thinking about giving > my baby > > > the same > > > > > whole foods vitamin I take. I was going to crush it > and give > > > her a tiny > > > > > dose. Is this wise? I cannot find a children's whole > foods > > > > > vitamin. > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 19, 2001 Read www.paleodiet.com read all the references read neanderthin.com, read all the references in the bibliography and then tell me it does not matter what you eat. At 11:13 AM 7/21/01 +1000, you wrote: >My original question/comment after reading all this negative stuff about >food, this food is bad that food is bad etc etc.. was what is wrong with > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 20, 2001 Who determines what is bad food? If eating alfalfa (for example) makes you feel like puking which in turn makes you feel bad regardless of how nutritional or beneficial it is. Kinda defeats the purpose of eating if you can't get enjoyment out of it. children's vitamins...Please > notadult > > > >vitamins.....? > > > >Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 11:09:44 -0700 > > > > > > > >I would not give babies any vita ins.. If you are breast > feeding > > > I would > > > >also suggest that you stop taking that vitamin.. Baby's > who are > > > feed > > > >vitamin supplements or who are breast feed and mother is > taking a > > > multiple > > > >vitamin/mineral with IRON (even organic) can be very > colicky... > > > Most times > > > >to prevent or to stop colic in a new born I do not > suggest a > > > homeopathic > > > >remedy but to just discontinue the vitamin/mineral > supplement > > > that mother > > > >is > > > >using on either herself if she is nursing or baby if > he/she is > > > being bottle > > > >feed.. > > > > > > > >I suggest lost of DISTILLED WATER for mother and for > bottle feed > > > baby... > > > >Keep the system flushed.... There are organic cow's milk > and soy > > > milk > > > >formulas available to bottle feed babies... Nothing that > says > > > " Fortified > > > >with IRON " should be used in any way.... Anemia is not a > lack of > > > iron as > > > >much as it is a lack of " assimilation " of diet. And if > you > > > cannot > > > >assimilate whole foods how can you assimilate > supplemental > > > liquids or > > > >pills... Please NO VITAMIN SUPPLEMENTS..... EAT GOOD > FOOD.... > > > > > > > > > > >If you feed only one thing to your child over and over > they will > > > become > > > >deficient. Offer many different foods. They will eat > when they > > > are > > > >hungry. Just stick it out... They will make they right > > > choices... Don't > > > >let Grandma or GrandPap in there to feed them some Junky > foods > > > while you > > > >are > > > >changing their diets.... Don't think that " they will die > if I > > > don't feed > > > >them SOMETHING " . They will eat when they are hungry and > you > > > cannot > > > >imagine > > > >how quickly they will pick up those peas or green beans > or > > > carrots or > > > >peaches if they are available to them long enough... > When a > > > baby is > > > >hungry, they will eat.... > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: Lashanna Small <lashannasmall@...> > > > > > > > > > Speaking of kids vitamins, I was thinking about giving > my baby > > > the same > > > > > whole foods vitamin I take. I was going to crush it > and give > > > her a tiny > > > > > dose. Is this wise? I cannot find a children's whole > foods > > > > > vitamin. > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 20, 2001 The " purpose " of eating is for nutrition to keep the body alive. The additional benefit is enjoyment. >From: " lindaharman " <lindamaree@...> >Reply-Vaccinations ><Vaccinations > >Subject: Re: soy >Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 16:32:28 +1000 > >Who determines what is bad food? If eating alfalfa (for example) makes you >feel like puking which in turn makes you feel bad regardless of how >nutritional or beneficial it is. Kinda defeats the purpose of eating if you >can't get enjoyment out of it. > > children's vitamins...Please > > notadult > > > > >vitamins.....? > > > > >Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 11:09:44 -0700 > > > > > > > > > >I would not give babies any vita ins.. If you are breast > > feeding > > > > I would > > > > >also suggest that you stop taking that vitamin.. Baby's > > who are > > > > feed > > > > >vitamin supplements or who are breast feed and mother is > > taking a > > > > multiple > > > > >vitamin/mineral with IRON (even organic) can be very > > colicky... > > > > Most times > > > > >to prevent or to stop colic in a new born I do not > > suggest a > > > > homeopathic > > > > >remedy but to just discontinue the vitamin/mineral > > supplement > > > > that mother > > > > >is > > > > >using on either herself if she is nursing or baby if > > he/she is > > > > being bottle > > > > >feed.. > > > > > > > > > >I suggest lost of DISTILLED WATER for mother and for > > bottle feed > > > > baby... > > > > >Keep the system flushed.... There are organic cow's milk > > and soy > > > > milk > > > > >formulas available to bottle feed babies... Nothing that > > says > > > > " Fortified > > > > >with IRON " should be used in any way.... Anemia is not a > > lack of > > > > iron as > > > > >much as it is a lack of " assimilation " of diet. And if > > you > > > > cannot > > > > >assimilate whole foods how can you assimilate > > supplemental > > > > liquids or > > > > >pills... Please NO VITAMIN SUPPLEMENTS..... EAT GOOD > > FOOD.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > >If you feed only one thing to your child over and over > > they will > > > > become > > > > >deficient. Offer many different foods. They will eat > > when they > > > > are > > > > >hungry. Just stick it out... They will make they right > > > > choices... Don't > > > > >let Grandma or GrandPap in there to feed them some Junky > > foods > > > > while you > > > > >are > > > > >changing their diets.... Don't think that " they will die > > if I > > > > don't feed > > > > >them SOMETHING " . They will eat when they are hungry and > > you > > > > cannot > > > > >imagine > > > > >how quickly they will pick up those peas or green beans > > or > > > > carrots or > > > > >peaches if they are available to them long enough... > > When a > > > > baby is > > > > >hungry, they will eat.... > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > >From: Lashanna Small <lashannasmall@...> > > > > > > > > > > > Speaking of kids vitamins, I was thinking about giving > > my baby > > > > the same > > > > > > whole foods vitamin I take. I was going to crush it > > and give > > > > her a tiny > > > > > > dose. Is this wise? I cannot find a children's whole > > foods > > > > > > vitamin. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 20, 2001 My original question/comment after reading all this negative stuff about food, this food is bad that food is bad etc etc.. was what is wrong with actually enjoying food? Fretting all the time about what is good and bad is a recipe for ulcers as far as I'm concerned. The purpose of working is to provide for the family and sustain a certain level of living, doesn't mean you can't enjoy at least some aspect of it. Millions of people commute to work each day, caught in a traffic jam means you are more than likely going to be late, little you can do about it, why stress on the negative of it, why not kick back and enjoy the music? The same with food, I'm not advocating a diet of cream buns and meat pies, but what is wrong with eating something OCCASIONALLY without worrying? children's vitamins...Please > > notadult > > > > >vitamins.....? > > > > >Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 11:09:44 -0700 > > > > > > > > > >I would not give babies any vita ins.. If you are breast > > feeding > > > > I would > > > > >also suggest that you stop taking that vitamin.. Baby's > > who are > > > > feed > > > > >vitamin supplements or who are breast feed and mother is > > taking a > > > > multiple > > > > >vitamin/mineral with IRON (even organic) can be very > > colicky... > > > > Most times > > > > >to prevent or to stop colic in a new born I do not > > suggest a > > > > homeopathic > > > > >remedy but to just discontinue the vitamin/mineral > > supplement > > > > that mother > > > > >is > > > > >using on either herself if she is nursing or baby if > > he/she is > > > > being bottle > > > > >feed.. > > > > > > > > > >I suggest lost of DISTILLED WATER for mother and for > > bottle feed > > > > baby... > > > > >Keep the system flushed.... There are organic cow's milk > > and soy > > > > milk > > > > >formulas available to bottle feed babies... Nothing that > > says > > > > " Fortified > > > > >with IRON " should be used in any way.... Anemia is not a > > lack of > > > > iron as > > > > >much as it is a lack of " assimilation " of diet. And if > > you > > > > cannot > > > > >assimilate whole foods how can you assimilate > > supplemental > > > > liquids or > > > > >pills... Please NO VITAMIN SUPPLEMENTS..... EAT GOOD > > FOOD.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > >If you feed only one thing to your child over and over > > they will > > > > become > > > > >deficient. Offer many different foods. They will eat > > when they > > > > are > > > > >hungry. Just stick it out... They will make they right > > > > choices... Don't > > > > >let Grandma or GrandPap in there to feed them some Junky > > foods > > > > while you > > > > >are > > > > >changing their diets.... Don't think that " they will die > > if I > > > > don't feed > > > > >them SOMETHING " . They will eat when they are hungry and > > you > > > > cannot > > > > >imagine > > > > >how quickly they will pick up those peas or green beans > > or > > > > carrots or > > > > >peaches if they are available to them long enough... > > When a > > > > baby is > > > > >hungry, they will eat.... > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > >From: Lashanna Small <lashannasmall@...> > > > > > > > > > > > Speaking of kids vitamins, I was thinking about giving > > my baby > > > > the same > > > > > > whole foods vitamin I take. I was going to crush it > > and give > > > > her a tiny > > > > > > dose. Is this wise? I cannot find a children's whole > > foods > > > > > > vitamin. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 21, 2001 Just for the record I am not saying it doesn't matter what we eat. I looked in the " scientific " findings. In one he states the use of animals in mainstream science to be invalid because animals aren't human, pretty logical, yet in another on calcium malabsorption he used lab rats as the support for his findings. Interesting reading. I do understand the logic behind most of it, but I understand the logic behind vegans too. That sits a little better than eating raw meat and eggs. So I prefer to sit somewhere in the middle and take all things in moderation. It is a debate that could go on for a long time, personally I don't really care one way or the other, my family eats a diet consisting of home-grown meat and veg, a lot of our " additives " are also home grown, honey, coffee, sugar, eggs, cocoa, our milk is fresh from the cow, not all from our farm, but very reliable sources. I have wheat in but am yet to devise a way to ground enough in a shorter time. I don't buy a lot of food stuffs and we eat very little processed food. To me that is a pretty healthy diet, and I don't mind if my children have a treat once every blue moon. Just out of curiosity, why is it ok to eat the embryo from another animal, but not the milk? From an ethical point of view. Happy eating Re: soy Read www.paleodiet.com read all the references read neanderthin.com, read all the references in the bibliography and then tell me it does not matter what you eat. At 11:13 AM 7/21/01 +1000, you wrote: >My original question/comment after reading all this negative stuff about >food, this food is bad that food is bad etc etc.. was what is wrong with > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 21, 2001 I agree with you. Sorry if I misunderstood. I am definitly not a health nut. >From: " lindaharman " <lindamaree@...> >Reply-Vaccinations ><Vaccinations > >Subject: Re: soy >Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 11:13:49 +1000 > >My original question/comment after reading all this negative stuff about >food, this food is bad that food is bad etc etc.. was what is wrong with >actually enjoying food? Fretting all the time about what is good and bad is >a recipe for ulcers as far as I'm concerned. The purpose of working is to >provide for the family and sustain a certain level of living, doesn't mean >you can't enjoy at least some aspect of it. Millions of people commute to >work each day, caught in a traffic jam means you are more than likely going >to be late, little you can do about it, why stress on the negative of it, >why not kick back and enjoy the music? The same with food, I'm not >advocating a diet of cream buns and meat pies, but what is wrong with >eating something OCCASIONALLY without worrying? > > children's vitamins...Please > > > notadult > > > > > >vitamins.....? > > > > > >Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 11:09:44 -0700 > > > > > > > > > > > >I would not give babies any vita ins.. If you are >breast > > > feeding > > > > > I would > > > > > >also suggest that you stop taking that vitamin.. >Baby's > > > who are > > > > > feed > > > > > >vitamin supplements or who are breast feed and mother >is > > > taking a > > > > > multiple > > > > > >vitamin/mineral with IRON (even organic) can be very > > > colicky... > > > > > Most times > > > > > >to prevent or to stop colic in a new born I do not > > > suggest a > > > > > homeopathic > > > > > >remedy but to just discontinue the vitamin/mineral > > > supplement > > > > > that mother > > > > > >is > > > > > >using on either herself if she is nursing or baby if > > > he/she is > > > > > being bottle > > > > > >feed.. > > > > > > > > > > > >I suggest lost of DISTILLED WATER for mother and for > > > bottle feed > > > > > baby... > > > > > >Keep the system flushed.... There are organic cow's >milk > > > and soy > > > > > milk > > > > > >formulas available to bottle feed babies... Nothing >that > > > says > > > > > " Fortified > > > > > >with IRON " should be used in any way.... Anemia is >not a > > > lack of > > > > > iron as > > > > > >much as it is a lack of " assimilation " of diet. And >if > > > you > > > > > cannot > > > > > >assimilate whole foods how can you assimilate > > > supplemental > > > > > liquids or > > > > > >pills... Please NO VITAMIN SUPPLEMENTS..... EAT >GOOD > > > FOOD.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >If you feed only one thing to your child over and >over > > > they will > > > > > become > > > > > >deficient. Offer many different foods. They will >eat > > > when they > > > > > are > > > > > >hungry. Just stick it out... They will make they >right > > > > > choices... Don't > > > > > >let Grandma or GrandPap in there to feed them some >Junky > > > foods > > > > > while you > > > > > >are > > > > > >changing their diets.... Don't think that " they will >die > > > if I > > > > > don't feed > > > > > >them SOMETHING " . They will eat when they are hungry >and > > > you > > > > > cannot > > > > > >imagine > > > > > >how quickly they will pick up those peas or green >beans > > > or > > > > > carrots or > > > > > >peaches if they are available to them long enough... > > > When a > > > > > baby is > > > > > >hungry, they will eat.... > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > > >From: Lashanna Small <lashannasmall@...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Speaking of kids vitamins, I was thinking about >giving > > > my baby > > > > > the same > > > > > > > whole foods vitamin I take. I was going to crush >it > > > and give > > > > > her a tiny > > > > > > > dose. Is this wise? I cannot find a children's >whole > > > foods > > > > > > > vitamin. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > > http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 22, 2001 , Sounds like a healthy diet to me! Healthier than mine right now too! LOL I'm just changing things I am happy to change. And taking it one step at a time. And for the people who mentioned butter? Me too!!!! I'm hanging on to my butter!! LOL SUE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 22, 2001 Thankyou Re: soy , Sounds like a healthy diet to me! Healthier than mine right now too! LOL I'm just changing things I am happy to change. And taking it one step at a time. And for the people who mentioned butter? Me too!!!! I'm hanging on to my butter!! LOL SUE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 18, 2001 Hello Annemarie Soymilk is ok, and comes under your list of allowed legumes! Ha ~ fancy that! The only thing is ~ use the unsweetened one. (Knew there was a catch, huh?) Helen www.geocities.com/hheartchange Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 18, 2001 , I have been reading some books and articles on anti-candida diet. All of them say NO to Soy-souce, miso & Tofu. But Soy-milk is o.k. if u can tolerate it. I can't imagine life without milk. Can u? -Ashwini Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 18, 2001 I REALLY miss Honey Bunches of Oats cereal! That was one of my favorite breakfast foods. What does soy milk taste like? I've heard you either love it or hate it. --- ashdeep@... wrote: > , > I have been reading some books and articles on > anti-candida diet. > All of them say NO to Soy-souce, miso & Tofu. But > Soy-milk is o.k. > if u can tolerate it. I can't imagine life without > milk. Can u? > -Ashwini > > > > __________________________________________________ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 18, 2001 Soy-milk tastes great. Especially one from White-wave: Silk-vanilla flavoured. I had Diarrhea with ordinary milk and then I switched to this Lactose-free product. You can also try Nut milk made from Almonds if this doesn't suits. -Ashwini Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 18, 2001 When you have no choice you'll drink it. I have it with my cereal in the morning with acidophilus yoghurt on top. The one I use has extra calcium in it. Kate At 09:11 18/10/2001 -0700, you wrote: >I REALLY miss Honey Bunches of Oats cereal! That was >one of my favorite breakfast foods. What does soy >milk taste like? I've heard you either love it or >hate it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 18, 2001 My son is so desperate for dessert like treats that we decided to freeze the vanilla and the cocoa silk soy milk and make ice cream out of it . He LOVES it . He laso will freeze a cup of pineapple in juice and sometimes add a few frozen blueberries. One other treat they i had found was making Oatmeal banana cookies. If anyone wants the recipe let me know . Itis definitely for candida people unless you happen to be allergic to bananas. The reason i asked about soy is that my son reacts by getting skin splits on the tops of his hands(tons of them ). That is how the toxins purge themselves from his system as well as through his bowel movements. I would hate to have to remove much else from his diet. I had to remeove apple cinnamon rice c akes because there was JUST enough sugar to set him off. of the isle~~~~~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 18, 2001 For cereal I really like the vanilla flavored soy milk. It takes away all need to add sugar... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 18, 2001 I'd love the recipe for banana oatmeal cookies!!! I'm sure lots of us would. Thanks!! Diane Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 29, 2001 To replace meat, try your lentils, beans, and peas. I have also heard a more complete protein occurs when you combine rice and beans. You can make some very tasty meals if you remember to use your beans. Most people don't like the result of using beans, but isn't it interesting that you never hear about how bad they are on the system!!! Thinking of your mom and praying for you! Melody Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 29, 2001 Whey protein powder is a high-quality source of protein and may help to boost immune function and selectively deplete cancer cells of glutathione (an antioxidant). We make a breakfast shake of 2 scoops whey, filtered water, about 1/2 cup berries & stevia for sweetening. This shake is good for getting extra protein ( & tastes good), but to keep the biological activity it should be gently stirred up in water. My husband has it both ways. Also, make sure that you get a good quality supplement that has been processed to maintain biological activity. Cheryl --- jotacei@... wrote: > Hello everybody, > I remember having read some things about soy > products, > and also I think there were not anonymous > opinionsabout > their being benefical or not. > We are thinking of giving my mom some soy products, > as > soy milk. If you have heard something about them, I > would really appreciate your feedback. > Besides, I wish you may recommend me some products > that > could help my mother rise her level of proteins. > Many > doctors that have sen her have almost blame us for > lowering her protein levels after quitting meat and > milk form her diet. So,now we are a little bit > confused > and want to find good substitutes to these products, > > because we have read enough bad things about meat > and > dairy products that we dont' want to give them to my > > mom. Any case, I have read in some people that some > low > fat milk wqouldn't be so harmful. > Thoughts? > > Thanks a lot once again, > carlos Izaguirre} > Lima, Peru > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 30, 2001 Dear -, I use already since my first diagnosis of cancer soymilk, not too much maybe half a litre a day spread over the day. I feel good with it. And what Cheryl writes I also use time by time as well my wife and daugther. And ofcourse beans, always important in a vegetarian diet. And I use 'karnemelk' a kind of sour milk with lactic acid in it. And I don't know if you can get it in Peru but probiotica seems to be very good for recovering from chemo, radiation and big operations. But check your physician. Your mom must be glad with such a son. You are doing so much for her. Wish you both all the best. Gr. Kees Braam webmaster www.kanker-actueel.nl Re: Soy > Whey protein powder is a high-quality source of > protein and may help to boost immune function and > selectively deplete cancer cells of glutathione (an > antioxidant). We make a breakfast shake of 2 scoops > whey, filtered water, about 1/2 cup berries & stevia > for sweetening. This shake is good for getting extra > protein ( & tastes good), but to keep the biological > activity it should be gently stirred up in water. My > husband has it both ways. Also, make sure that you get > a good quality supplement that has been processed to > maintain biological activity. > > Cheryl > > --- jotacei@... wrote: > > Hello everybody, > > I remember having read some things about soy > > products, > > and also I think there were not anonymous > > opinionsabout > > their being benefical or not. > > We are thinking of giving my mom some soy products, > > as > > soy milk. If you have heard something about them, I > > would really appreciate your feedback. > > Besides, I wish you may recommend me some products > > that > > could help my mother rise her level of proteins. > > Many > > doctors that have sen her have almost blame us for > > lowering her protein levels after quitting meat and > > milk form her diet. So,now we are a little bit > > confused > > and want to find good substitutes to these products, > > > > because we have read enough bad things about meat > > and > > dairy products that we dont' want to give them to my > > > > mom. Any case, I have read in some people that some > > low > > fat milk wqouldn't be so harmful. > > Thoughts? > > > > Thanks a lot once again, > > carlos Izaguirre} > > Lima, Peru > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 30, 2001 Hi carlos: I don't know much about soy but I've read about blood types abit. To me this is just a theory, and would like more feed back on it from the group. the book is called " Eat right for you blood type. " What they say is that a vegatarian diet isn't good for everyone. and in order for people to heal they should follow the diet recommend for their blood type. For instance, I'm a type A, I seem to do a lot better eating mostly vegies, with a bit meat occasionally ( like once or twice a month) and soy is supposed to be very good to help me to heal. ( Hense' my interest in this thread) A type B bloodperson is supposed to be a lot more healthy eating more meat and less vegies. As near as I remember. If you are interest in at least checking this out give me your mothers blood type and I'll check closer. I've talked to people that have had very good results regaining their health using these diets. But of course there isn't much information available for people with cancer using these diets. Any thoughts? Klaus In a message dated 11/29/01 1:50:29 PM, jotacei@... writes: >Hello everybody, >I remember having read some things about soy products, >and also I think there were not anonymous opinionsabout >their being benefical or not. >We are thinking of giving my mom some soy products, as >soy milk. If you have heard something about them, I >would really appreciate your feedback. >Besides, I wish you may recommend me some products that >could help my mother rise her level of proteins. Many >doctors that have sen her have almost blame us for >lowering her protein levels after quitting meat and >milk form her diet. So,now we are a little bit confused >and want to find good substitutes to these products, >because we have read enough bad things about meat and >dairy products that we dont' want to give them to my >mom. Any case, I have read in some people that some low >fat milk wqouldn't be so harmful. >Thoughts? > >Thanks a lot once again, >carlos Izaguirre} >Lima, Peru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 21, 2001 I feed him extremely well and I'm wondering if he > really does get all the calcim, etc without any sort of " milk " Fresh milk from " Bessie " has organic calcium in an elemental form that is readily usable by the body. When that milk is heated to 165+ degrees F to pasteurize it, the calcium is converted into an inorganic form which is not readily usable by the body. Doug http://oxyssage.seasilverhealth.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
