Guest guest Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 I guess we have different life experinces. I trust both WestonPrice and Mercola, and distrust Weil. Alobar > > I wouldn't give much credence to the westonaprice and mercola sites, > especially as regards soy; they strike me as extremely biased and > the science weak. I would be more apt to listen to a Dr. Weil: > > http://www.drweil.com/u/QA/QA326575/ > > Or better yet, how about researching it on pubmed or scholar.google? > > > - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 Indeed we do! How about this? We all know the soy issue is highly contentious and probably quite debatable (i.e., studies showing both good and harm). It would be best if we posted *recent* studies from reputable sources (i.e., think pubmed, scholar.google, etc.). - > > I guess we have different life experinces. I trust both > WestonPrice and Mercola, and distrust Weil. > > Alobar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 Hi , If you want research, check out: www.thewholesoystory.com In her book by the same name, clinical nutritionist Kaayla T. , PhD has 45 pages of endnotes (all in small type, so as to take up less space) documenting research into soy. What she says about soy formula and baby boys really parallels my own brother's experience... scary stuff! As a homeopath, I often see clients who in their health consciousness, consumed soy. A common element has always been low thyroid. Marlowe www.onlynatural.info Re: SOY I wouldn't give much credence to the westonaprice and mercola sites, especially as regards soy; they strike me as extremely biased and the science weak. I would be more apt to listen to a Dr. Weil: http://www.drweil.com/u/QA/QA326575/ Or better yet, how about researching it on pubmed or scholar.google? - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2006 Report Share Posted February 23, 2006 I'm going to have to join the WAP group here. Their science is well documented while Weil (fun!) is really not. He may be well intentioned but the fact is, is that industry does not publish the negatives about soy. On 2/22/06, Marlowe <marlowe@...> wrote: Hi ,If you want research, check out: www.thewholesoystory.comIn her book by the same name, clinical nutritionist Kaayla T. , PhDhas 45 pages of endnotes (all in small type, so as to take up less space)documenting research into soy. What she says about soy formula and baby boys really parallels my own brother's experience... scary stuff!As a homeopath, I often see clients who in their health consciousness,consumed soy. A common element has always been low thyroid. Marlowe www.onlynatural.info-----Original Message-----From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf OfSent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 7:13 PM iodine Subject: Re: SOYI wouldn't give much credence to the westonaprice and mercola sites, especially as regards soy; they strike me as extremely biased andthe science weak. I would be more apt to listen to a Dr. Weil: http://www.drweil.com/u/QA/QA326575/Or better yet, how about researching it on pubmed or scholar.google?- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2006 Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 I have never heard this about soy. My heart sank when I read it. We gave my 4 yr old boy soy formula after I stopped breast feeding. What are some symptoms of problems with soy. Thanks Soy foods cause premature puberty in young girls and delayed sexual maturation in boys .Infant girls fed soy formula have phytoestrogen levels 20 times higher than normal for girls fed breast milk. These girls may proceed to begin menstruation and breast development by age 7. Boys fed soy have delay in onset of normal puberty with a smaller than normal penis and a greater tendency to homosexuality.[3] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2006 Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 On 2/28/06, Rob and Reimund <jreimund@...> wrote: > > I have never heard this about soy. My heart sank when I read it. We gave > my > 4 yr old boy soy formula after I stopped breast feeding. What are some > symptoms of problems with soy. > Thanks > > Soy foods cause premature puberty in young girls and delayed sexual > maturation in boys .Infant girls fed soy formula have phytoestrogen levels > 20 times higher than normal for girls fed breast milk. These girls may > proceed to begin menstruation and breast development by age 7. Boys fed > soy > have delay in onset of normal puberty with a smaller than normal penis and > a greater tendency to homosexuality.[3] I BF both of my kids and then introduced cows milk -- live and learn -- at least it was organic milk for my DD (but not my DS). I didn't introduce soy into their diets until they were older. Both entered puberty late (by American standards). Japanese and Chinese girls (where soy is a major component of their diet) get their first period at a much later age then American girls do. I think if soy was to blame for early maturation I think we'd see it there, before the states. My feeling is that early maturation here in the states is due in part to all the hormones in the milk, dairy, meat and poultry. The info below has some excellent studies. Soy Isoflavones ------------------------------ Introduction Back to Top<http://content.nhiondemand.com/shk/monoAll-style.asp?objID=100033 & ctype=ds & m\ typ=4#top> Scientists classify soy isoflavones from the plant *Glycine max* as phytoestrogens. * Phyto* is a Greek root word meaning plant, so phytoestrogens are plant-based compounds that have estrogen-like activity. Because they are structurally similar to estrogens, isoflavones exert weak estrogenic activity. Because of their estrogen-like effects, isoflavones have been studied for a wide spectrum of health benefits. Soybeans and soy foods like tofu are the best dietary source of isoflavones. However, many soy protein concentrates and soy products processed with alcohol may not contain isoflavones. A synthetically derived form of isoflavones, known as ipriflavone, is also available. Reported Uses Back to Top<http://content.nhiondemand.com/shk/monoAll-style.asp?objID=100033 & ctype=ds & m\ typ=4#top> *Interactions* *Drug/Nutrient Interactions* • Estrogen and estrogen-like medications <http://content.nhiondemand.com/shk/ints/viewIntsConsumer.asp?objid=100033 & mtyp=\ 4 & intID=618> • tamoxifen<http://content.nhiondemand.com/shk/ints/viewIntsConsumer.asp?objid=100\ 033 & mtyp=4 & intID=1041>Because soy isoflavones exert mild effects like that of estrogen, they may be useful for treating symptoms associated with menopause.(1<http://content.nhiondemand.com/shk/monoAll-style.asp?objID=100033 & c\ type=ds & mtyp=4#fn102870>, 2<http://content.nhiondemand.com/shk/monoAll-style.asp?objID=100033 & ctype=ds & mty\ p=4#fn114778>, 3<http://content.nhiondemand.com/shk/monoAll-style.asp?objID=100033 & ctype=ds & mty\ p=4#fn114776>) A long-term study indicated that soy phytoestrogens when given to postmenopausal women resulted in an increase occurrence of endometrial hyperplasia.(4<http://content.nhiondemand.com/shk/monoAll-style.asp?objID=100033\ & ctype=ds & mtyp=4#fn115710>) The phytoestrogens in isoflavones may inhibit cancer-inducing estrogens. Because high estrogen levels are a risk factor for breast cancer, isoflavones may play a role in reducing this risk.(5<http://content.nhiondemand.com/shk/monoAll-style.asp?objID=100033 & ctype=\ ds & mtyp=4#fn102873>, 6<http://content.nhiondemand.com/shk/monoAll-style.asp?objID=100033 & ctype=ds & mty\ p=4#fn102874>) Other studies have indicated that isoflavones may actually stimulate the growth of estrogen-dependent breast cancer cells.(7<http://content.nhiondemand.com/shk/monoAll-style.asp?objID=100033 & ctype\ =ds & mtyp=4#fn113334>) It has also been reported that high consumption of soy isoflavones may reduce the incidence of prostate cancer in men.(8<http://content.nhiondemand.com/shk/monoAll-style.asp?objID=100033 & ctype=d\ s & mtyp=4#fn113335>) Also of potential benefit to women, isoflavones may support bone health(9<http://content.nhiondemand.com/shk/monoAll-style.asp?objID=100033 & ctype\ =ds & mtyp=4#fn115711>) and reduce the effects of osteoporosis.(10<http://content.nhiondemand.com/shk/monoAll-style.asp?objID=1000\ 33 & ctype=ds & mtyp=4#fn102872>, 11<http://content.nhiondemand.com/shk/monoAll-style.asp?objID=100033 & ctype=ds & mt\ yp=4#fn115708>) This benefit is being challenged. A well-designed study evaluated the use of *ipriflavone*, a synthetic isoflavone, in more than 470 postmenopausal women with osteoporosis. Ipriflavone did not prevent bone loss when compared to placebo.(12<http://content.nhiondemand.com/shk/monoAll-style.asp?objID=100033 & ct\ ype=ds & mtyp=4#fn111312>) Isoflavones may also support cardiovascular health through a variety of mechanisms. It may help lower cholesterol.(13<http://content.nhiondemand.com/shk/monoAll-style.asp?objID=10003\ 3 & ctype=ds & mtyp=4#fn113332>, 14<http://content.nhiondemand.com/shk/monoAll-style.asp?objID=100033 & ctype=ds & mt\ yp=4#fn113333>, 15<http://content.nhiondemand.com/shk/monoAll-style.asp?objID=100033 & ctype=ds & mt\ yp=4#fn115579>, 16<http://content.nhiondemand.com/shk/monoAll-style.asp?objID=100033 & ctype=ds & mt\ yp=4#fn115712>) A study involving postmenopausal women found that soy isoflavones exerted favorable effects on vasomotor symptoms and a reduction in LDL and an increase in HDL levels.(17<http://content.nhiondemand.com/shk/monoAll-style.asp?objID=100033 & cty\ pe=ds & mtyp=4#fn115709>) Soy milk may help lower blood pressure. After 3 months the individuals consuming soy milk had a modest, but greater, decrease in blood pressure compared to those consuming cow's milk.(18<http://content.nhiondemand.com/shk/monoAll-style.asp?objID=100033 & ctype\ =ds & mtyp=4#fn114802>) These benefits could potentially reduce the risk of atherosclerosis and other cardiovascular diseases.(19<http://content.nhiondemand.com/shk/monoAll-style.asp?objID=100033 & c\ type=ds & mtyp=4#fn102865>, 20<http://content.nhiondemand.com/shk/monoAll-style.asp?objID=100033 & ctype=ds & mt\ yp=4#fn102866>, 21<http://content.nhiondemand.com/shk/monoAll-style.asp?objID=100033 & ctype=ds & mt\ yp=4#fn102867>, 22<http://content.nhiondemand.com/shk/monoAll-style.asp?objID=100033 & ctype=ds & mt\ yp=4#fn102868>, 23<http://content.nhiondemand.com/shk/monoAll-style.asp?objID=100033 & ctype=ds & mt\ yp=4#fn114777> ) Dosage Info Back to Top<http://content.nhiondemand.com/shk/monoAll-style.asp?objID=100033 & ctype=ds & m\ typ=4#top> *Dosage Range* *Most Common Dosage* *Dosage Forms* 10-300mg daily. 60mg daily. Powders, granules, tablets, capsules, and liquids. Toxicities & Precautions Back to Top<http://content.nhiondemand.com/shk/monoAll-style.asp?objID=100033 & ctype=ds & m\ typ=4#top> Be sure to tell your pharmacist, doctor or other health care providers about any dietary supplements you are taking. There may be a potential for interactions or side effects. *General* This dietary supplement is considered safe when used in accordance with proper dosing guidelines. *Health Conditions* If you are on *kidney dialysis*, talk to your doctor before taking this dietary supplement.(24<http://content.nhiondemand.com/shk/monoAll-style.asp?objID=100033\ & ctype=ds & mtyp=4#fn113227>) Scientific studies have reported that certain ingredients contained in this dietary supplement act similar to the body's natural hormone estrogen. If you have or are susceptible to *hormonally related cancers*, such as breast, ovarian and prostate, talk to your doctor before taking this dietary supplement. Consuming large amounts of soy isoflavones could suppress thyroid function and/or cause a worsening of *hypothyroidism*.(25<http://content.nhiondemand.com/shk/monoAll-style.asp?objID=\ 100033 & ctype=ds & mtyp=4#fn113337>) If you have any type of thyroid disease talk to your doctor before taking this dietary supplement. *Side Effects * Side effects are possible with any dietary supplement. *Ipriflavone*, a synthetic isoflavone, may cause a decrease in the number of lymphocytes found in the blood. Talk to your doctor before taking *ipriflavone* so that proper monitoring, if necessary, can be assured.(26<http://content.nhiondemand.com/shk/monoAll-style.asp?objID=100033 & ct\ ype=ds & mtyp=4#fn111312> ) *Pregnancy/Breast-Feeding* To date, the medical literature has not reported any adverse effects related to fetal development during pregnancy or to infants who are breast-fed. Yet little is known about the use of this dietary supplement while pregnant or breast-feeding. Therefore, it is recommended that you inform your healthcare practitioner of any dietary supplements you are using while pregnant or breast-feeding. *Age Limitations* There is some concern about the use of soy-based infant formulas. Some researchers suggest that exposing infants to high levels of soy isoflavones can cause problems with the infant's hormonal development.(27<http://content.nhiondemand.com/shk/monoAll-style.asp?objID=10003\ 3 & ctype=ds & mtyp=4#fn113338>) Otherwise, the medical literature has not reported any adverse effects specifically related to the use of this dietary supplement in children. Since young children may have undiagnosed allergies or medical conditions, this dietary supplement should not be used in children under 10 years of age unless recommended by a physician. Footnotes Back to Top<http://content.nhiondemand.com/shk/monoAll-style.asp?objID=100033 & ctype=ds & m\ typ=4#top> 1 Murkies AL, Lombard C, Strauss BJ, et al. 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View Abstract<http://content.nhiondemand.com/SHK/view-abs.asp?fnid=113337 & absid=10624\ 6> 26 sen P, Toussaint A, Christiansen C, et al. Ipriflavone in the Treatment of Postmenopausal Osteoporosis, A Randomized Controlled Trial. JAMA. 2001;285:1482-1488. View Abstract<http://content.nhiondemand.com/SHK/view-abs.asp?fnid=111312 & absid=10531\ 4> 27 Setchell KD, Zimmer-Nechemias L, Cai J, Heubi JE. Exposure of infants to phyto-oestrogens from soy-based infant formula. Lancet. Jul1997;350(9070):23-7. View Abstract<http://content.nhiondemand.com/SHK/view-abs.asp?fnid=113338 & absid=10624\ 7> Health & blessings, CREATING HEALTHIER LIVES... one family at a time! http://www.Shaklee.net/ExcitingHealth 1-866-312-8064 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2006 Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 >>Japanese and Chinese girls (where soy is a major component of their diet) get their first period at a much later age then American girls do. I think if soy was to blame for early maturation I think we'd see it there, before the states. I think there is also something about the way the soy is processed that makes it different from what the Asians eat. They actually don't eat as much of it as most in the US do and it is not in the form of milk, soy lecithin etc. Their soy is pretty raw and natural. So I don't think you can compare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2006 Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 The soy used in Asian countries is traditionally fermented soy. Soy in the US market is processed and non-fermented (are we surprised?). I only BF my dd for 6 weeks, then she went to a soy formula. She started her first period at the age of 11. My mom and I were nearly 14 when we started. I'm sure the hormones in meat also has alot to do with it. But I wish to goodness I had never had my dd on soy formula! I have read that the aluminum content in soy forumla is through the roof, too! www.Mercola.com has a wealth of info on soy. Just put the word in on his site search. Kay P. ********************** Re: soy I BF both of my kids and then introduced cows milk -- live and learn -- at least it was organic milk for my DD (but not my DS). I didn't introduce soy into their diets until they were older. Both entered puberty late (by American standards). Japanese and Chinese girls (where soy is a major component of their diet) get their first period at a much later age then American girls do. I think if soy was to blame for early maturation I think we'd see it there, before the states. My feeling is that early maturation here in the states is due in part to all the hormones in the milk, dairy, meat and poultry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2006 Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 I can't tell you if he will be OK or not, but it is not worth spending your energy worrying about at this point. We have all done things that we regret once we get knowledge. It is what it is and if he shows symptoms of some sort then worry about them and get them treated through natural ways. C Re: soy so do you think that him being on soy formula for about 6 or 7 months he will be ok Thanks so much RE: soy > >>Japanese and Chinese girls (where soy is a major component of their diet) > get their first period at a much later age then American girls do. I think > if soy was to blame for early maturation I think we'd see it there, before > the states. > > I think there is also something about the way the soy is processed that > makes it different from what the Asians eat. They actually don't eat as > much of it as most in the US do and it is not in the form of milk, soy > lecithin etc. Their soy is pretty raw and natural. So I don't think you > can compare. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2006 Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 so do you think that him being on soy formula for about 6 or 7 months he will be ok Thanks so much RE: soy > >>Japanese and Chinese girls (where soy is a major component of their diet) > get their first period at a much later age then American girls do. I think > if soy was to blame for early maturation I think we'd see it there, before > the states. > > I think there is also something about the way the soy is processed that > makes it different from what the Asians eat. They actually don't eat as > much of it as most in the US do and it is not in the form of milk, soy > lecithin etc. Their soy is pretty raw and natural. So I don't think you > can compare. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2006 Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 He is 4 now what kind of symptoms would I see and at what age? RE: soy > > > > >>Japanese and Chinese girls (where soy is a major component of their > diet) > > get their first period at a much later age then American girls do. I > think > > if soy was to blame for early maturation I think we'd see it there, before > > the states. > > > > I think there is also something about the way the soy is processed that > > makes it different from what the Asians eat. They actually don't eat as > > much of it as most in the US do and it is not in the form of milk, soy > > lecithin etc. Their soy is pretty raw and natural. So I don't think you > > can compare. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2006 Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 I can't help you there. Maybe Dr. Mercola's site has some info. C Re: soy He is 4 now what kind of symptoms would I see and at what age? RE: soy > > > > >>Japanese and Chinese girls (where soy is a major component of their > diet) > > get their first period at a much later age then American girls do. I > think > > if soy was to blame for early maturation I think we'd see it there, before > > the states. > > > > I think there is also something about the way the soy is processed that > > makes it different from what the Asians eat. They actually don't eat as > > much of it as most in the US do and it is not in the form of milk, soy > > lecithin etc. Their soy is pretty raw and natural. So I don't think you > > can compare. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 Hi -- There are two soy powders sold here in the states that are raw and natural, but you're right, most are heat and or alcohol processed. And you're also correct that Asians do not eat the soy chips, crackers, burgers and other TVP products that many Americans consume -- and many nutritionists question the safety of these types of soy " food " products. My DD never did soy formula as an infant, I BF, then switched to organic milk --- I know, but I'm not big on juice, and she really disliked water. These days I do give DD a soy shake for breakfast every day. We're not big meat eaters but the eggs, chicken, etc., I buy is organic. She's 12 and 1/2 and the ped figures she's at least a year from getting her period -- I hope he's right, DD is so not ready for the monthly cycle! I work with several nutritionists and natural doctors (that I really trust and respect) -- almost all start their patients on soy as a good protein source -- of course avoiding all the soy burgers, chips, etc. On 2/28/06, Hildebrand <christina@...> wrote: > I think there is also something about the way the soy is processed that > makes it different from what the Asians eat. They actually don't eat as > much of it as most in the US do and it is not in the form of milk, soy > lecithin etc. Their soy is pretty raw and natural. So I don't think you > can compare. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 > > Is soy to be avoided in all things? > > I just noticed that my shampoo has hydrolyzed soy protien in it and I > think I have see it in body lotions and other cosmetics. Are these > products harmful for us to use? ==>It is best to avoid it in all products because your skin readily absorbs anything you put on it. Bee > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2006 Report Share Posted March 29, 2006 you can also use soy as a solid perfume..add a drop or 2 or 4 in some soy wax that has been melted,mix in FO,and let cool down.Pour into your little jars..So neat!!! I LOVE the B & BW type FO like this...HTH,hugs,vicky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2006 Report Share Posted July 15, 2006 Wouldn't this be a disaster for children and teenagers? Males developing feminized traits and female secondary sexual characteristics, while females get an overdose of estrogen? Sounds like a great cold war plot to demasculinize an enemy population. It would at least reduce the muscle mass and upper body strength of males. Psychosexual brain pattern alterations we can estimate. ----- Original Message ----- >Soy oil is an estrogen mimetic. That means eating it is like taking extra estrogen, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2006 Report Share Posted July 15, 2006 Tks Chuck - I'm going to stop the product until I find out if soy is indeed in it. The bottle says, yeast, wheat, gluten, corn and aritificial dye free - so I'm kinda suspecting soy is in there. I have tried Crestor (hair loss), Lipitor and Pravachol - muscle pain and difficulty breathing, Mevacor - body rash and Zocor - very mild redness on upper arms during the whole time I take it. I also took Baycol - but it was removed from the market because it was dangerous and it was the only one I didn't have side effect on !!!!! I guess I could try the Zocor again, but now I have such as established problem with them, I'm hesitant. Again. Tks A Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote: Anonymous, You wrote: > > Would soybean oil be a problem because of my thyroid? ... Soy could just as likely be interfering with your HRT. Soy oil is an estrogen mimetic. That means eating it is like taking extra estrogen, adding to the risks you are already taking with HRT. Soy's effect on the thyroid would be to make you hypoT, while your symptoms seem more hyperT or allergic. Have you asked your doctor about trying a different statin? I believe there are six different drugs in the family, although they are supposed to be very similar. You might find one that does not cause the rash. Or, that might be a high risk idea. It wouldn't hurt to ask. Chuck --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2006 Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 Hi A, are you aware that there is a controversy about cholesterol that mainstream medicine does not acknowledge. 1. There is no actual proof that high cholesterol causes heart attack. 2 There is also no proof that so called high cholesterol foods actually make cholesterol in cur bodies. Hard to believe isn't it? Google on " cholesterol myths " or similar and check it out. I've attached an interesting article on eggs - supposedly the big baddie of cholesterol! And did you know that cholesterol is what our sex hormones are made of? If our cholesterol is high it is worth looking to see if our hormone levels are low - the cholesterol may not be converting. In this case lowering your cholesterol won't do a bit of good! also Hypothyroid is not a minor factor in high cholesterol - in the old days high cholesterol was considered an indicator of HypoT (mine went down after thyroid meds) These are just some thoughts for you to consider - all those drugs are not even necessary in the first place and will only make you sicker. IMO and the opinion of many knowledgeable people. Kerry IN DEFENSE OF THE EGG C2004 Suzin Stockton While it's true that eggs have gotten a bad rap due to their high cholesterol content and that the egg industry (like vested interests everywhere) has perhaps bent the truth to suit their purposes, I contend that the egg is not without merit. And those who slander it are no less blind to the truth and no less guilty of bending that truth to justify their viewpoint than are the egg advocates. Both sides have an emotional investment in protecting something near and dear to them: sales and profits for the egg people and lifestyle (chiefly vegan) for their opponents. Years ago, nutritionist/author, Adelle , correctly recognized the error of the simplistic logic that eating cholesterol-rich foods causes a build-up of cholesterol in the arteries and, therefore, leads to heart disease. She taught that a 'cousin of the fat family,' lecithin, plays a vital role in controlling cholesterol levels. Lecithin, a natural substance found in the body (and concentrated in the brain), is a fat emulsifier that helps break down cholesterol, preventing its build up in the body. Lecithin is composed of fat, choline (a B vitamin), inositol (another B vitamin) and essential fatty acids (EFAs). It can't be produced without the help of coenzymes containing vitamin B6 and magnesium. Therefore, a deficiency of magnesium, B6, choline, inositol or EFAs can prevent the synthesis of lecithin and result in a build-up of cholesterol deposits. The B vitamin niacin and the trace mineral chromium also have important roles to play in regulating cholesterol levels. While eggs are high in cholesterol, they are also high in lecithin and, therefore, provide the body with nutrients needed to break down cholesterol. repeatedly cited studies showing that animals fed cholesterol and saturated fat did not develop high cholesterol levels if given even minimal amounts of lecithin. The Standard American Diet (SAD) is deficient in lecithin, the nutrients of which it is composed and those needed to utilize it. Such deficiency is caused largely by the refining and hydrogenating of oils, commercial processes (used to extend shelf life) which result in the removal of lecithin. Refined and man-made oils and other foods are much more of a culprit in the epidemic of heart disease than are eggs. I'll take a 'fertile' egg from a healthy, free range chicken over an 'egg beater' any day! Quality counts!! Chickens raised in factory farms where there is overcrowding, inadequate nutrition, cruelty to the animals (chopping off of their beaks to prevent pecking, etc.) and lack of freedom to roam and interact with other chickens, quite obviously produce eggs of inferior quality -- and that has nothing to do with cholesterol! Although cholesterol has gotten a bad reputation, it serves many vital functions in the body: It is essential for cell wall construction, and everything in the body is made of cells. It is a building block for sex hormones and for adrenal hormones. It is needed for vitamin D synthesis (Sunlight turns cholesterol into vitamin D). It is needed for the production of bile acids (which break up fats for absorption). It has important antioxidant properties, helping to combat disease-causing free radicals. The mistake we make is in viewing dietary cholesterol as the culprit. It is important to know that cholesterol is not only supplied exogenously through the diet, but it is also produced internally by the liver. The liver, in fact, has the job of controlling cholesterol levels in the blood. Obviously, if liver function is impaired, cholesterol levels go unchecked. On the other hand, if the liver is functioning optimally, much fat (and cholesterol) can be eaten, and cholesterol levels will not rise. Not surprisingly, along with the epidemic of high cholesterol levels, we have a high incidence of liver disease, a leading cause of death in our culture. The liver has numerous functions in the body. Chief among them are the assimilation and processing of nutrients and the detoxification of metabolic waste products. The liver of modern man is overburdened by the stress of the many toxins taken in through polluted food, water and air. We are, therefore, functioning at greatly reduced liver capacity. The livers of most of us are far too sluggish to process the copious amount of supplements which we consume in a futile effort to fill the 'nutritional gap' created by food grown on mineral-depleted soils. We are not awake to the truth that it is not what we eat nor the supplements we take that determine our nutritional level but rather what the liver processes. And, for most of us, that is very little. The human body is capable of functioning on as little as 20% of total liver capacity but not very well. The sad truth is that very few of us function on more than 35%. A healthy liver converts dietary cholesterol into bile (which breaks down fat) and temporarily slows its own cholesterol production. The healthy liver is able to adjust its bile production according to need, producing more if dietary intake of cholesterol is low and less if it is high. The major use of cholesterol in the body is bile production -- 80% of our cholesterol is converted to bile. This bile, along with excess cholesterol, is stored in the gall bladder. When fat is present in the intestines, the gall bladder contracts to release its bile and sends it to the intestines to break down the fat there. If the bowel is sluggish (and constipation is another widespread problem), then excessive bile is reabsorbed, rather than passing out of the body. When this bile is recycled, less new bile is formed in the liver and, therefore, cholesterol cannot be turned into bile at the same rate. Consequently, cholesterol deposits build up in the body. Therefore, a sluggish colon, as well as a sluggish liver, creates conditions conducive to cholesterol build-up and coronary artery obstruction. As the above information indicates, elevated cholesterol levels result not from high intake of dietary cholesterol, but rather from conditions of deficiency and toxicity which impair the body's innate ability to break down cholesterol and regulate its production. So -- the egg is vindicated! It is a natural, unprocessed food which contains all known vitamins (except C) and important trace minerals. Additionally, in its favor, it may be said that the egg has always been the 'gold standard' as a protein food because of its amino acid profile. It is considered a 'complete' protein because it contains all 8 essential amino acids in generous amounts. The egg is especially rich in the sulfur-containing amino acid, L-cysteine, so essential to healthy skin and hair. Literature is replete with cases of people eating an enormous number of eggs daily and yet maintaining a normal cholesterol level. On the other hand, there are many individuals who have completely eliminated eggs from their diet and yet have been unsuccessful at lowering cholesterol levels. Those people would do well to cleanse their livers and colons, eliminate processed foods from their diet and focus on whole foods and whole food supplements. It's time we understood that dietary cholesterol is not the enemy. The enemy is our toxic, processed, devitalized foods, void of essential nutrients and fiber, which create deficiency and compromise the function of our livers and colons, hampering them in their ability to detoxify our bodies. The enemy is the grand-scale pollution of our planet and our bodies which overtaxes the ability of both to compensate for the insults and correct the damage. The enemy is our ignorance and the misinformation we're fed from all sides. Our best defense is knowledge. To process information we need to feed and nourish our brains. Lecithin is a brain food par excellence. And it's found you-know-where: in the yolk of the EGG! Get smart: Eat eggs! Re: Soy Tks Chuck - I'm going to stop the product until I find out if soy is indeed in it. The bottle says, yeast, wheat, gluten, corn and aritificial dye free - so I'm kinda suspecting soy is in there. I have tried Crestor (hair loss), Lipitor and Pravachol - muscle pain and difficulty breathing, Mevacor - body rash and Zocor - very mild redness on upper arms during the whole time I take it. I also took Baycol - but it was removed from the market because it was dangerous and it was the only one I didn't have side effect on !!!!! I guess I could try the Zocor again, but now I have such as established problem with them, I'm hesitant. Again. Tks A Chuck B <gumboyayacox (DOT) <mailto:gumboyaya%40cox.net> net> wrote: Anonymous, You wrote: > > Would soybean oil be a problem because of my thyroid? ... Soy could just as likely be interfering with your HRT. Soy oil is an estrogen mimetic. That means eating it is like taking extra estrogen, adding to the risks you are already taking with HRT. Soy's effect on the thyroid would be to make you hypoT, while your symptoms seem more hyperT or allergic. Have you asked your doctor about trying a different statin? I believe there are six different drugs in the family, although they are supposed to be very similar. You might find one that does not cause the rash. Or, that might be a high risk idea. It wouldn't hurt to ask. Chuck --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2006 Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 Anonymous, You wrote: > ... Lipitor and Pravachol - muscle pain > and difficulty breathing, ... Those are symptoms of liver problems, an all too common adverse side effect of the statin toxicity. Did your doctor check your liver enzymes? You might go back to a lower dose of Zocor, and gradually increase to see if you can develop a tolerance to it. Some side effects present early and disappear harmlessly. Others start later and build to a crisis. Some start early in the middle of a crisis. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2006 Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 or throw the statins out, take Armour and iodine/Iodoral. and feel lots better. Eat good fats too. (butter, olive oil, coconut oil). gracia Anonymous, You wrote: > ... Lipitor and Pravachol - muscle pain > and difficulty breathing, ... Those are symptoms of liver problems, an all too common adverse side effect of the statin toxicity. Did your doctor check your liver enzymes? You might go back to a lower dose of Zocor, and gradually increase to see if you can develop a tolerance to it. Some side effects present early and disappear harmlessly. Others start later and build to a crisis. Some start early in the middle of a crisis. Chuck ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.1/389 - Release Date: 7/14/2006 ---------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.1/389 - Release Date: 7/14/2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2006 Report Share Posted July 24, 2006 FYI....the main reason the children of today are much chestier and getting their periods much earlier is due to the amount of hormones that are injected in our animals. These hormones are in our dairy, milk, and meat and organic is the safest way to eat. My energy level increased so much when I cut out all dairy and went to organic foods only. I thought I would never see 8am again thanks to my thyroid but that changed drasticaly when my diet changed. Not to mention the menstrual cycle!!! Soooo much better. Sherry <hary722001@...> wrote: I agree. I bet it can explain why the girls are seem chestier now, kids are heavier, and maturing at such a young age. It is very upsetting that our food industry is doing this to the kids. Sherry > > Wouldn't this be a disaster for children and teenagers? > Males developing feminized traits and female secondary sexual > characteristics, while females get an overdose of estrogen? > Sounds like a great cold war plot to demasculinize an enemy population. It > would at least reduce the muscle mass and upper body strength of males. > Psychosexual brain pattern alterations we can estimate. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > >Soy oil is an estrogen mimetic. That means eating it is like taking extra > estrogen, > jessica stanziale --------------------------------- Groups are talking. We & acute;re listening. Check out the handy changes to Groups. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2006 Report Share Posted November 21, 2006 PATRICK, You wrote: > > > I get very sick when I eat some breads. If I eat oat bread it don't make > me sick. Is that because of the thyroid? ... Only indirectly. Both may be mediated by an autoimmune disorder. > ... The Doctor tested me for wheat > allergies and said that I don't have an allergy to wheat. ... There are several proteins in grains related to gluten that can cause the reaction. It is possible that you are allergic to one of these components of wheat, but there is not enough of it in the test to make a positive response. The fact that oat bread does NOT initiate the reaction says it is not one of the other ingredients, such as egg. Instead, the other grains are implicated. I suggest you look into Celiac and sprue, which are other names for the condition you seem to have. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2006 Report Share Posted November 21, 2006 Chuck, I have been suffering with Celiac and Sprue for many years. I never knew that it was Celiac and Sprue that I had, until you told me what it was. I have had this from birth. Every time I go to the Dr, they tell me I have something else. Then they give me a pill for it. I was so frustrated and so sick. I read up on Celiac and Sprue on the Internet, and I have every symptom that they have for that disease. My mother had it, my aunt had it, My grandmother had it and my great grandmother had it. They all came from Eastern Europe. We never knew what it was. Finally you told me what it was. I am going on a Gluten free diet. I will let you all know if it works. I can't thank you enough. I still have the Hypothyroid problem but, I read that it could come from the Celiac and Sprue. That it is one of the symtoms of Celiac and Sprue. Thank You so much. GBY. D.999 Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote: PATRICK, You wrote: > > > I get very sick when I eat some breads. If I eat oat bread it don't make > me sick. Is that because of the thyroid? ... Only indirectly. Both may be mediated by an autoimmune disorder. > ... The Doctor tested me for wheat > allergies and said that I don't have an allergy to wheat. ... There are several proteins in grains related to gluten that can cause the reaction. It is possible that you are allergic to one of these components of wheat, but there is not enough of it in the test to make a positive response. The fact that oat bread does NOT initiate the reaction says it is not one of the other ingredients, such as egg. Instead, the other grains are implicated. I suggest you look into Celiac and sprue, which are other names for the condition you seem to have. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2006 Report Share Posted November 21, 2006 Randolph wrote: Chuck, or Gracia: Hello knowledgeable people. I have a question. Where can you buy Cortisol on-line? I was taking Cortef, and it made me have such bad indigestion. I was looking up some natural alternatives, yet I really wanted the real deal. Also, I have also recently been diagnosed with PCOS (Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome), and am taking Metformin for it. Do you all know of any natural alternatives for this? Boy, I tell you, I have always had PCOS, and my new doc, God Bless him, just figured it out!!! One success story, my new Armour dose of 3 grains, is Wonderful.............. I appreciate any info. that you may have............ Blessings, PATRICK REYNAUD <dauphine999@...> wrote: Chuck, I have been suffering with Celiac and Sprue for many years. I never knew that it was Celiac and Sprue that I had, until you told me what it was. I have had this from birth. Every time I go to the Dr, they tell me I have something else. Then they give me a pill for it. I was so frustrated and so sick. I read up on Celiac and Sprue on the Internet, and I have every symptom that they have for that disease. My mother had it, my aunt had it, My grandmother had it and my great grandmother had it. They all came from Eastern Europe. We never knew what it was. Finally you told me what it was. I am going on a Gluten free diet. I will let you all know if it works. I can't thank you enough. I still have the Hypothyroid problem but, I read that it could come from the Celiac and Sprue. That it is one of the symtoms of Celiac and Sprue. Thank You so much. GBY. D.999 Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote: PATRICK, You wrote: > > > I get very sick when I eat some breads. If I eat oat bread it don't make > me sick. Is that because of the thyroid? ... Only indirectly. Both may be mediated by an autoimmune disorder. > ... The Doctor tested me for wheat > allergies and said that I don't have an allergy to wheat. ... There are several proteins in grains related to gluten that can cause the reaction. It is possible that you are allergic to one of these components of wheat, but there is not enough of it in the test to make a positive response. The fact that oat bread does NOT initiate the reaction says it is not one of the other ingredients, such as egg. Instead, the other grains are implicated. I suggest you look into Celiac and sprue, which are other names for the condition you seem to have. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2006 Report Share Posted November 22, 2006 PATRICK REYNAUD wrote: > > > Chuck, I have been suffering with Celiac and Sprue for many years. I > never knew that it was Celiac and Sprue that I had, until you told me > what it was. I have had this from birth. Every time I go to the Dr, they > tell me I have something else. Then they give me a pill for it. ... It is a condition they often miss, since it does not conform to the statistics for the symptoms. Best of luck and hope you can fix this. My understanding is that avoiding the triggers can be a real challenge, since gluten is used in so many foods. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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