soy

February 22, 2006

I guess we have different life experinces. I trust both

WestonPrice and Mercola, and distrust Weil.

Alobar

>

> I wouldn't give much credence to the westonaprice and mercola sites,

> especially as regards soy; they strike me as extremely biased and

> the science weak. I would be more apt to listen to a Dr. Weil:

>

> http://www.drweil.com/u/QA/QA326575/

>

> Or better yet, how about researching it on pubmed or scholar.google?

>

> -

>

February 22, 2006

Indeed we do!

How about this? We all know the soy issue is highly contentious

and probably quite debatable (i.e., studies showing both good

and harm). It would be best if we posted *recent* studies from

reputable sources (i.e., think pubmed, scholar.google, etc.).

-

>

> I guess we have different life experinces. I trust both

> WestonPrice and Mercola, and distrust Weil.

>

> Alobar

February 22, 2006

Hi ,

If you want research, check out:

www.thewholesoystory.com

In her book by the same name, clinical nutritionist Kaayla T. , PhD

has 45 pages of endnotes (all in small type, so as to take up less space)

documenting research into soy. What she says about soy formula and baby boys

really parallels my own brother's experience... scary stuff!

As a homeopath, I often see clients who in their health consciousness,

consumed soy. A common element has always been low thyroid.

Marlowe

www.onlynatural.info

Re: SOY

I wouldn't give much credence to the westonaprice and mercola sites,

especially as regards soy; they strike me as extremely biased and

the science weak. I would be more apt to listen to a Dr. Weil:

http://www.drweil.com/u/QA/QA326575/

Or better yet, how about researching it on pubmed or scholar.google?

-

February 23, 2006

I'm going to have to join the WAP group here. Their science is well documented while Weil (fun!) is really not. He may be well intentioned but the fact is, is that industry does not publish the negatives about soy.

On 2/22/06, Marlowe <marlowe@...> wrote:

Hi ,If you want research, check out:

www.thewholesoystory.comIn her book by the same name, clinical nutritionist Kaayla T. , PhDhas 45 pages of endnotes (all in small type, so as to take up less space)documenting research into soy. What she says about soy formula and baby boys

really parallels my own brother's experience... scary stuff!As a homeopath, I often see clients who in their health consciousness,consumed soy. A common element has always been low thyroid. Marlowe

www.onlynatural.info-----Original Message-----From:

iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf OfSent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 7:13 PM

iodine Subject: Re: SOYI wouldn't give much credence to the westonaprice and mercola sites,

especially as regards soy; they strike me as extremely biased andthe science weak. I would be more apt to listen to a Dr. Weil:

http://www.drweil.com/u/QA/QA326575/Or better yet, how about researching it on pubmed or scholar.google?-

February 28, 2006

I have never heard this about soy. My heart sank when I read it. We gave my

4 yr old boy soy formula after I stopped breast feeding. What are some

symptoms of problems with soy.

Thanks

Soy foods cause premature puberty in young girls and delayed sexual

maturation in boys .Infant girls fed soy formula have phytoestrogen levels

20 times higher than normal for girls fed breast milk. These girls may

proceed to begin menstruation and breast development by age 7. Boys fed soy

have delay in onset of normal puberty with a smaller than normal penis and

a greater tendency to homosexuality.[3]

February 28, 2006

On 2/28/06, Rob and Reimund <jreimund@...> wrote:

>

> I have never heard this about soy. My heart sank when I read it. We gave

> my

> 4 yr old boy soy formula after I stopped breast feeding. What are some

> symptoms of problems with soy.

> Thanks

>

> Soy foods cause premature puberty in young girls and delayed sexual

> maturation in boys .Infant girls fed soy formula have phytoestrogen levels

> 20 times higher than normal for girls fed breast milk. These girls may

> proceed to begin menstruation and breast development by age 7. Boys fed

> soy

> have delay in onset of normal puberty with a smaller than normal penis and

> a greater tendency to homosexuality.[3]

I BF both of my kids and then introduced cows milk -- live and learn -- at

least it was organic milk for my DD (but not my DS). I didn't introduce soy

into their diets until they were older. Both entered puberty late (by

American standards).

Japanese and Chinese girls (where soy is a major component of their diet)

get their first period at a much later age then American girls do. I think

if soy was to blame for early maturation I think we'd see it there, before

the states.

My feeling is that early maturation here in the states is due in part to all

the hormones in the milk, dairy, meat and poultry.

The info below has some excellent studies.

Soy Isoflavones

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classify soy isoflavones from the plant *Glycine max* as phytoestrogens. *

Phyto* is a Greek root word meaning plant, so phytoestrogens are plant-based

compounds that have estrogen-like activity. Because they are structurally

similar to estrogens, isoflavones exert weak estrogenic activity. Because of

their estrogen-like effects, isoflavones have been studied for a wide

spectrum of health benefits.

Soybeans and soy foods like tofu are the best dietary source of isoflavones.

However, many soy protein concentrates and soy products processed with

alcohol may not contain isoflavones. A synthetically derived form of

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A long-term study indicated that soy phytoestrogens when given to

postmenopausal women resulted in an increase occurrence of endometrial

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The phytoestrogens in isoflavones may inhibit cancer-inducing estrogens.

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*ipriflavone*, a synthetic isoflavone, in more than 470 postmenopausal women

with osteoporosis. Ipriflavone did not prevent bone loss when compared to

placebo.(12<http://content.nhiondemand.com/shk/monoAll-style.asp?objID=100033 & ct\

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A study involving postmenopausal women found that soy isoflavones exerted

favorable effects on vasomotor symptoms and a reduction in LDL and an

increase in HDL

levels.(17<http://content.nhiondemand.com/shk/monoAll-style.asp?objID=100033 & cty\

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Soy milk may help lower blood pressure. After 3 months the individuals

consuming soy milk had a modest, but greater, decrease in blood pressure

compared to those consuming cow's

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Be

sure to tell your pharmacist, doctor or other health care providers about

any dietary supplements you are taking. There may be a potential for

interactions or side effects. *General*

This dietary supplement is considered safe when used in accordance with

proper dosing guidelines. *Health Conditions*

If you are on *kidney dialysis*, talk to your doctor before taking this

dietary

supplement.(24<http://content.nhiondemand.com/shk/monoAll-style.asp?objID=100033\

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Scientific studies have reported that certain ingredients contained in this

dietary supplement act similar to the body's natural hormone estrogen. If

you have or are susceptible to *hormonally related cancers*, such as breast,

ovarian and prostate, talk to your doctor before taking this dietary

supplement.

Consuming large amounts of soy isoflavones could suppress thyroid function

and/or cause a worsening of

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this dietary supplement.

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synthetic isoflavone, may cause a decrease in the number of lymphocytes

found in the blood. Talk to your doctor before taking *ipriflavone* so that

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To date, the medical literature has not reported any adverse effects related

to fetal development during pregnancy or to infants who are breast-fed. Yet

little is known about the use of this dietary supplement while pregnant or

breast-feeding. Therefore, it is recommended that you inform your healthcare

practitioner of any dietary supplements you are using while pregnant or

breast-feeding. *Age Limitations*

There is some concern about the use of soy-based infant formulas. Some

researchers suggest that exposing infants to high levels of soy isoflavones

can cause problems with the infant's hormonal

development.(27<http://content.nhiondemand.com/shk/monoAll-style.asp?objID=10003\

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Otherwise, the medical literature has not reported any adverse effects

specifically related to the use of this dietary supplement in children.

Since young children may have undiagnosed allergies or medical conditions,

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February 28, 2006

>>Japanese and Chinese girls (where soy is a major component of their diet)

get their first period at a much later age then American girls do. I think

if soy was to blame for early maturation I think we'd see it there, before

the states.

I think there is also something about the way the soy is processed that

makes it different from what the Asians eat. They actually don't eat as

much of it as most in the US do and it is not in the form of milk, soy

lecithin etc. Their soy is pretty raw and natural. So I don't think you

can compare.

February 28, 2006

The soy used in Asian countries is traditionally fermented soy. Soy in the

US market is processed and non-fermented (are we surprised?).

I only BF my dd for 6 weeks, then she went to a soy formula. She started

her first period at the age of 11. My mom and I were nearly 14 when we

started.

I'm sure the hormones in meat also has alot to do with it. But I wish to

goodness I had never had my dd on soy formula! I have read that the

aluminum content in soy forumla is through the roof, too!

www.Mercola.com has a wealth of info on soy. Just put the word in on his

site search.

Kay P.

**********************

Re: soy

I BF both of my kids and then introduced cows milk -- live and learn -- at

least it was organic milk for my DD (but not my DS). I didn't introduce soy

into their diets until they were older. Both entered puberty late (by

American standards).

Japanese and Chinese girls (where soy is a major component of their diet)

get their first period at a much later age then American girls do. I think

if soy was to blame for early maturation I think we'd see it there, before

the states.

My feeling is that early maturation here in the states is due in part to all

the hormones in the milk, dairy, meat and poultry.

February 28, 2006

I can't tell you if he will be OK or not, but it is not worth spending your

energy worrying about at this point. We have all done things that we regret

once we get knowledge. It is what it is and if he shows symptoms of some

sort then worry about them and get them treated through natural ways.

C

Re: soy

so do you think that him being on soy formula for about 6 or 7 months he

will be ok

Thanks so much

RE: soy

> >>Japanese and Chinese girls (where soy is a major component of their

diet)

> get their first period at a much later age then American girls do. I

think

> if soy was to blame for early maturation I think we'd see it there, before

> the states.

>

> I think there is also something about the way the soy is processed that

> makes it different from what the Asians eat. They actually don't eat as

> much of it as most in the US do and it is not in the form of milk, soy

> lecithin etc. Their soy is pretty raw and natural. So I don't think you

> can compare.

>

February 28, 2006

so do you think that him being on soy formula for about 6 or 7 months he

will be ok

Thanks so much

RE: soy

> >>Japanese and Chinese girls (where soy is a major component of their

diet)

> get their first period at a much later age then American girls do. I

think

> if soy was to blame for early maturation I think we'd see it there, before

> the states.

>

> I think there is also something about the way the soy is processed that

> makes it different from what the Asians eat. They actually don't eat as

> much of it as most in the US do and it is not in the form of milk, soy

> lecithin etc. Their soy is pretty raw and natural. So I don't think you

> can compare.

>

February 28, 2006

He is 4 now what kind of symptoms would I see and at what age?

RE: soy

>

> > >>Japanese and Chinese girls (where soy is a major component of their

> diet)

> > get their first period at a much later age then American girls do. I

> think

> > if soy was to blame for early maturation I think we'd see it there,

before

> > the states.

> >

> > I think there is also something about the way the soy is processed that

> > makes it different from what the Asians eat. They actually don't eat as

> > much of it as most in the US do and it is not in the form of milk, soy

> > lecithin etc. Their soy is pretty raw and natural. So I don't think

you

> > can compare.

> >

February 28, 2006

I can't help you there. Maybe Dr. Mercola's site has some info.

C

Re: soy

He is 4 now what kind of symptoms would I see and at what age?

RE: soy

>

> > >>Japanese and Chinese girls (where soy is a major component of their

> diet)

> > get their first period at a much later age then American girls do. I

> think

> > if soy was to blame for early maturation I think we'd see it there,

before

> > the states.

> >

> > I think there is also something about the way the soy is processed that

> > makes it different from what the Asians eat. They actually don't eat as

> > much of it as most in the US do and it is not in the form of milk, soy

> > lecithin etc. Their soy is pretty raw and natural. So I don't think

you

> > can compare.

> >

March 6, 2006

Hi --

There are two soy powders sold here in the states that are raw and natural,

but you're right, most are heat and or alcohol processed.

And you're also correct that Asians do not eat the soy chips, crackers,

burgers and other TVP products that many Americans consume -- and many

nutritionists question the safety of these types of soy " food " products.

My DD never did soy formula as an infant, I BF, then switched to organic

milk --- I know, but I'm not big on juice, and she really disliked water.

These days I do give DD a soy shake for breakfast every day. We're not big

meat eaters but the eggs, chicken, etc., I buy is organic. She's 12 and

1/2 and the ped figures she's at least a year from getting her period -- I

hope he's right, DD is so not ready for the monthly cycle!

I work with several nutritionists and natural doctors (that I really trust

and respect) -- almost all start their patients on soy as a good protein

source -- of course avoiding all the soy burgers, chips, etc.

On 2/28/06, Hildebrand <christina@...> wrote:

> I think there is also something about the way the soy is processed that

> makes it different from what the Asians eat. They actually don't eat as

> much of it as most in the US do and it is not in the form of milk, soy

> lecithin etc. Their soy is pretty raw and natural. So I don't think you

> can compare.

>

March 10, 2006

>

> Is soy to be avoided in all things?

>

> I just noticed that my shampoo has hydrolyzed soy protien in it and I

> think I have see it in body lotions and other cosmetics. Are these

> products harmful for us to use?

==>It is best to avoid it in all products because your skin readily

absorbs anything you put on it.

Bee

>

March 29, 2006

you can also use soy as a solid perfume..add a drop or 2 or 4 in some

soy wax that has been melted,mix in FO,and let cool down.Pour into

your little jars..So neat!!! I LOVE the B & BW type FO like

this...HTH,hugs,vicky

July 15, 2006

Wouldn't this be a disaster for children and teenagers?

Males developing feminized traits and female secondary sexual

characteristics, while females get an overdose of estrogen?

Sounds like a great cold war plot to demasculinize an enemy population. It

would at least reduce the muscle mass and upper body strength of males.

Psychosexual brain pattern alterations we can estimate.

----- Original Message -----

>Soy oil is an estrogen mimetic. That means eating it is like taking extra

estrogen,

July 15, 2006

Tks Chuck - I'm going to stop the product until I find out if soy is indeed in

it. The bottle says, yeast, wheat, gluten, corn and aritificial dye free - so

I'm kinda suspecting soy is in there.

I have tried Crestor (hair loss), Lipitor and Pravachol - muscle pain and

difficulty breathing, Mevacor - body rash and Zocor - very mild redness on

upper arms during the whole time I take it.

I also took Baycol - but it was removed from the market because it was

dangerous and it was the only one I didn't have side effect on !!!!!

I guess I could try the Zocor again, but now I have such as established

problem with them, I'm hesitant.

Again. Tks

A

Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote:

Anonymous,

You wrote:

>

> Would soybean oil be a problem because of my thyroid? ...

Soy could just as likely be interfering with your HRT. Soy oil is an

estrogen mimetic. That means eating it is like taking extra estrogen,

adding to the risks you are already taking with HRT. Soy's effect on the

thyroid would be to make you hypoT, while your symptoms seem more hyperT

or allergic.

Have you asked your doctor about trying a different statin? I believe

there are six different drugs in the family, although they are supposed

to be very similar. You might find one that does not cause the rash. Or,

that might be a high risk idea. It wouldn't hurt to ask.

Chuck

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July 16, 2006

Hi A,

are you aware that there is a controversy about cholesterol that

mainstream medicine does not acknowledge.

1. There is no actual proof that high cholesterol causes heart attack.

2 There is also no proof that so called high cholesterol foods actually

make cholesterol in cur bodies.

Hard to believe isn't it? Google on " cholesterol myths " or similar and

check it out.

I've attached an interesting article on eggs - supposedly the big baddie

of cholesterol!

And did you know that cholesterol is what our sex hormones are made of?

If our cholesterol is high it is worth looking to see if our hormone

levels are low - the cholesterol may not be converting. In this case

lowering your cholesterol won't do a bit of good!

also Hypothyroid is not a minor factor in high cholesterol - in the old

days high cholesterol was considered an indicator of HypoT (mine went

down after thyroid meds)

These are just some thoughts for you to consider - all those drugs are

not even necessary in the first place and will only make you sicker. IMO

and the opinion of many knowledgeable people.

Kerry

IN DEFENSE OF THE EGG

C2004 Suzin Stockton

While it's true that eggs have gotten a bad rap due to their high

cholesterol content and that the egg industry (like vested interests

everywhere) has perhaps bent the truth to suit their purposes, I contend

that the egg is not without merit. And those who slander it are no less

blind to the truth and no less guilty of bending that truth to justify

their viewpoint than are the egg advocates. Both sides have an emotional

investment in protecting something near and dear to them: sales and

profits for the egg people and lifestyle (chiefly vegan) for their

opponents.

Years ago, nutritionist/author, Adelle , correctly recognized the

error of the simplistic logic that eating cholesterol-rich foods causes

a build-up of cholesterol in the arteries and, therefore, leads to heart

disease. She taught that a 'cousin of the fat family,' lecithin, plays a

vital role in controlling cholesterol levels. Lecithin, a natural

substance found in the body (and concentrated in the brain), is a fat

emulsifier that helps break down cholesterol, preventing its build up in

the body.

Lecithin is composed of fat, choline (a B vitamin), inositol (another B

vitamin) and essential fatty acids (EFAs). It can't be produced without

the help of coenzymes containing vitamin B6 and magnesium. Therefore, a

deficiency of magnesium, B6, choline, inositol or EFAs can prevent the

synthesis of lecithin and result in a build-up of cholesterol deposits.

The B vitamin niacin and the trace mineral chromium also have important

roles to play in regulating cholesterol levels.

While eggs are high in cholesterol, they are also high in lecithin and,

therefore, provide the body with nutrients needed to break down

cholesterol. repeatedly cited studies showing that animals fed

cholesterol and saturated fat did not develop high cholesterol levels if

given even minimal amounts of lecithin.

The Standard American Diet (SAD) is deficient in lecithin, the nutrients

of which it is composed and those needed to utilize it. Such deficiency

is caused largely by the refining and hydrogenating of oils, commercial

processes (used to extend shelf life) which result in the removal of

lecithin. Refined and man-made oils and other foods are much more of a

culprit in the epidemic of heart disease than are eggs. I'll take a

'fertile' egg from a healthy, free range chicken over an 'egg beater'

any day! Quality counts!!

Chickens raised in factory farms where there is overcrowding, inadequate

nutrition, cruelty to the animals (chopping off of their beaks to

prevent pecking, etc.) and lack of freedom to roam and interact with

other chickens, quite obviously produce eggs of inferior quality -- and

that has nothing to do with cholesterol!

Although cholesterol has gotten a bad reputation, it serves many vital

functions in the body:

It is essential for cell wall construction, and everything in the

body is made of cells.

It is a building block for sex hormones and for adrenal hormones.

It is needed for vitamin D synthesis (Sunlight turns cholesterol into

vitamin D).

It is needed for the production of bile acids (which break up fats

for absorption).

It has important antioxidant properties, helping to combat

disease-causing free radicals.

The mistake we make is in viewing dietary cholesterol as the culprit. It

is important to know that cholesterol is not only supplied exogenously

through the diet, but it is also produced internally by the liver. The

liver, in fact, has the job of controlling cholesterol levels in the

blood. Obviously, if liver function is impaired, cholesterol levels go

unchecked. On the other hand, if the liver is functioning optimally,

much fat (and cholesterol) can be eaten, and cholesterol levels will not

rise. Not surprisingly, along with the epidemic of high cholesterol

levels, we have a high incidence of liver disease, a leading cause of

death in our culture.

The liver has numerous functions in the body. Chief among them are the

assimilation and processing of nutrients and the detoxification of

metabolic waste products. The liver of modern man is overburdened by the

stress of the many toxins taken in through polluted food, water and air.

We are, therefore, functioning at greatly reduced liver capacity. The

livers of most of us are far too sluggish to process the copious amount

of supplements which we consume in a futile effort to fill the

'nutritional gap' created by food grown on mineral-depleted soils. We

are not awake to the truth that it is not what we eat nor the

supplements we take that determine our nutritional level but rather what

the liver processes. And, for most of us, that is very little. The human

body is capable of functioning on as little as 20% of total liver

capacity but not very well. The sad truth is that very few of us

function on more than 35%.

A healthy liver converts dietary cholesterol into bile (which breaks

down fat) and temporarily slows its own cholesterol production. The

healthy liver is able to adjust its bile production according to need,

producing more if dietary intake of cholesterol is low and less if it is

high. The major use of cholesterol in the body is bile production -- 80%

of our cholesterol is converted to bile. This bile, along with excess

cholesterol, is stored in the gall bladder. When fat is present in the

intestines, the gall bladder contracts to release its bile and sends it

to the intestines to break down the fat there. If the bowel is sluggish

(and constipation is another widespread problem), then excessive bile is

reabsorbed, rather than passing out of the body. When this bile is

recycled, less new bile is formed in the liver and, therefore,

cholesterol cannot be turned into bile at the same rate. Consequently,

cholesterol deposits build up in the body. Therefore, a sluggish colon,

as well as a sluggish liver, creates conditions conducive to cholesterol

build-up and coronary artery obstruction.

As the above information indicates, elevated cholesterol levels result

not from high intake of dietary cholesterol, but rather from conditions

of deficiency and toxicity which impair the body's innate ability to

break down cholesterol and regulate its production.

So -- the egg is vindicated! It is a natural, unprocessed food which

contains all known vitamins (except C) and important trace minerals.

Additionally, in its favor, it may be said that the egg has always been

the 'gold standard' as a protein food because of its amino acid profile.

It is considered a 'complete' protein because it contains all 8

essential amino acids in generous amounts. The egg is especially rich in

the sulfur-containing amino acid, L-cysteine, so essential to healthy

skin and hair.

Literature is replete with cases of people eating an enormous number of

eggs daily and yet maintaining a normal cholesterol level. On the other

hand, there are many individuals who have completely eliminated eggs

from their diet and yet have been unsuccessful at lowering cholesterol

levels. Those people would do well to cleanse their livers and colons,

eliminate processed foods from their diet and focus on whole foods and

whole food supplements.

It's time we understood that dietary cholesterol is not the enemy. The

enemy is our toxic, processed, devitalized foods, void of essential

nutrients and fiber, which create deficiency and compromise the function

of our livers and colons, hampering them in their ability to detoxify

our bodies. The enemy is the grand-scale pollution of our planet and our

bodies which overtaxes the ability of both to compensate for the insults

and correct the damage. The enemy is our ignorance and the

misinformation we're fed from all sides. Our best defense is knowledge.

To process information we need to feed and nourish our brains. Lecithin

is a brain food par excellence. And it's found you-know-where: in the

yolk of the EGG! Get smart: Eat eggs!

Re: Soy

Tks Chuck - I'm going to stop the product until I find out if soy is

indeed in it. The bottle says, yeast, wheat, gluten, corn and

aritificial dye free - so I'm kinda suspecting soy is in there.

I have tried Crestor (hair loss), Lipitor and Pravachol - muscle pain

and difficulty breathing, Mevacor - body rash and Zocor - very mild

redness on upper arms during the whole time I take it.

I also took Baycol - but it was removed from the market because it was

dangerous and it was the only one I didn't have side effect on !!!!!

I guess I could try the Zocor again, but now I have such as established

problem with them, I'm hesitant.

Again. Tks

A

Chuck B <gumboyayacox (DOT) <mailto:gumboyaya%40cox.net> net> wrote:

Anonymous,

You wrote:

>

> Would soybean oil be a problem because of my thyroid? ...

Soy could just as likely be interfering with your HRT. Soy oil is an

estrogen mimetic. That means eating it is like taking extra estrogen,

adding to the risks you are already taking with HRT. Soy's effect on the

thyroid would be to make you hypoT, while your symptoms seem more hyperT

or allergic.

Have you asked your doctor about trying a different statin? I believe

there are six different drugs in the family, although they are supposed

to be very similar. You might find one that does not cause the rash. Or,

that might be a high risk idea. It wouldn't hurt to ask.

Chuck

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Anonymous,

You wrote:

> ... Lipitor and Pravachol - muscle pain

> and difficulty breathing, ...

Those are symptoms of liver problems, an all too common adverse side

effect of the statin toxicity. Did your doctor check your liver enzymes?

You might go back to a lower dose of Zocor, and gradually increase to

see if you can develop a tolerance to it. Some side effects present

early and disappear harmlessly. Others start later and build to a

crisis. Some start early in the middle of a crisis.

Chuck

July 16, 2006

or throw the statins out, take Armour and iodine/Iodoral. and feel lots

better. Eat good fats too. (butter, olive oil, coconut oil).

gracia

Anonymous,

You wrote:

> ... Lipitor and Pravachol - muscle pain

> and difficulty breathing, ...

Those are symptoms of liver problems, an all too common adverse side

effect of the statin toxicity. Did your doctor check your liver enzymes?

You might go back to a lower dose of Zocor, and gradually increase to

see if you can develop a tolerance to it. Some side effects present

early and disappear harmlessly. Others start later and build to a

crisis. Some start early in the middle of a crisis.

Chuck

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July 24, 2006

FYI....the main reason the children of today are much chestier and getting their

periods much earlier is due to the amount of hormones that are injected in our

animals. These hormones are in our dairy, milk, and meat and organic is the

safest way to eat. My energy level increased so much when I cut out all dairy

and went to organic foods only. I thought I would never see 8am again thanks to

my thyroid but that changed drasticaly when my diet changed. Not to mention the

menstrual cycle!!! Soooo much better.

Sherry <hary722001@...> wrote: I agree. I bet it can explain why

the girls are seem chestier now,

kids are heavier, and maturing at such a young age. It is very

upsetting that our food industry is doing this to the kids.

Sherry

>

> Wouldn't this be a disaster for children and teenagers?

> Males developing feminized traits and female secondary sexual

> characteristics, while females get an overdose of estrogen?

> Sounds like a great cold war plot to demasculinize an enemy

population. It

> would at least reduce the muscle mass and upper body strength of

males.

> Psychosexual brain pattern alterations we can estimate.

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> >Soy oil is an estrogen mimetic. That means eating it is like

taking extra

> estrogen,

>

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PATRICK,

You wrote:

>

> I get very sick when I eat some breads. If I eat oat bread it don't make

> me sick. Is that because of the thyroid? ...

Only indirectly. Both may be mediated by an autoimmune disorder.

> ... The Doctor tested me for wheat

> allergies and said that I don't have an allergy to wheat. ...

There are several proteins in grains related to gluten that can cause

the reaction. It is possible that you are allergic to one of these

components of wheat, but there is not enough of it in the test to make a

positive response. The fact that oat bread does NOT initiate the

reaction says it is not one of the other ingredients, such as egg.

Instead, the other grains are implicated. I suggest you look into Celiac

and sprue, which are other names for the condition you seem to have.

Chuck

November 21, 2006

Chuck, I have been suffering with Celiac and Sprue for many years. I never knew

that it was Celiac and Sprue that I had, until you told me what it was. I have

had this from birth. Every time I go to the Dr, they tell me I have something

else. Then they give me a pill for it. I was so frustrated and so sick. I read

up on Celiac and Sprue on the Internet, and I have every symptom that they have

for that disease. My mother had it, my aunt had it, My grandmother had it and my

great grandmother had it. They all came from Eastern Europe. We never knew what

it was. Finally you told me what it was. I am going on a Gluten free diet. I

will let you all know if it works. I can't thank you enough. I still have the

Hypothyroid problem but, I read that it could come from the Celiac and Sprue.

That it is one of the symtoms of Celiac and Sprue. Thank You so much. GBY. D.999

Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote: PATRICK,