panic attacks

October 29, 2010

Hi Norm,

Hope you had a chance to read Bees and the other replies. Did you actually take

your blood sugar to see if for sure it was really low? Dizziness can be a

healing reaction unrelated to low blood sugar at times. It could be dehydration,

or retracing. I used to have many low blood sugar symptoms, but nearly all of

them have been eliminated by this diet. It got down to 60 when I had a glucose

tolerance test. I do still get dizzy some times, but do not take more carbs to

get it up, as it may not even be low. You may want to test your blood sugar to

ease your mind. You are also early on the diet, and perhaps too soon lowered

your carbs. Did you gradually reduce carbs, or were you already low carb? If not

mistaken, Bee mentioned introducing a little buckwheat, if you get too severe a

reaction, and then cut down and eliminate it.

C.

>

> I used to have severe attacks 15 yrs ago. Finally put an end to them after

taking a prescribed drug, can't remember the name. What I know now that I didn't

then is that the attacks probably resulted from carb binging and blood sugar

jumping all over the place making the insulin crazy.

>

> Anyway I've been on Bee's diet for 10 days although I ate ham on one of those

days as I didn't realize that it was more than likely cured with sugar. No

wonder I pigged out on it.

>

> Had a panic attack 3 days ago, yesterday and this morn when I woke up.

Everything begins spinning and stomach starts turning although they were

lightweight compared to yrs ago.

>

> I think that I am probably hypoglycemic and my blood sugar tumbles before

meals on the diet. This afternoon an hour or so before supper I felt one coming

on. I ate a couple spoons of coconut oil and I think that stopped it. I am

feeling a little better right now. In any event I have been walking around light

headed ripe for an attack at any given moment.

>

> Do you think that these episodes are a retrace reaction or am I just hypo?

What can I snack on to bring up blood sugar other than coc oil? Any other

suggestions would be appreciated.

>

> norm

>

October 29, 2010

@@ Snip

>

> >

> > I used to have severe attacks 15 yrs ago. Finally put an end to them after

taking a prescribed drug, can't remember the name. What I know now that I didn't

then is that the attacks probably resulted from carb binging and blood sugar

jumping all over the place making the insulin crazy.

> >

@@ Snip

@@ Hi Norm,

I see some of the natives have given some great advice.

Since these are economically, difficult times, I'll ad my 1 cent, since I cannot

afford 2 cents. Too rich for my blood.

Nonetheless, I, like you, endured panic attacks for numerous years and I was a

perfectionist. Which didn't help. Anywho, that's right, that's a typo, leave me

alone. Its for effect.

Now, while the deep breathing exercises have their place, they're better

practiced regularly to help you changed your programmed hyped state to a calm

state. Which changes and trades off a bad habit for a good habit.

However, when you feel the symptoms of panic/anxiousness approaching, its far

more effective to use the " tool of distraction " . Every method I've ever

heard/studied that was effective was based on this tool of " distraction " in one

way or another. Panic is quite an involved state of mind and requires something

equal or stronger to counter and change the direction of your mind.

Again, I'm speaking from experience, not just theory. The breathing during a

panic attack usually does not work because it is not " strong' enough of a

distraction and that is key. To change your focus from panic/anxiousness,

involve yourself in conversation, a hobby, or perhaps plan a bank robbery ....

you know something that takes a lot of though ;=] You get the idea, right?

Anyway, right not anywho, your attentive, I like that. Nonetheless, those tools

plus the diet will set you in the right direction.

Oh ,and this applies to anyone else with anxiety issues or panic disorder.

Remember, " Distraction " is powerful, useful tool, not to be underestimated.

Don't buy courses or programs to learn something as simple as distraction.

There are plenty out there, Linden, Lucinda Bassett program... etc. I

know them well.

You are more capable & powerful than you think. Don't be a victim of the system

:/

Your Friend in Health,

Ed

group moderator

October 30, 2010

, I've never taken glucose test but I did ease somewhat into the diet. I

had done a 10 day ultra clear protocol as posted on sue blum's site. It involved

an easing into low carb albeit not as slowly as the 9 day plan.

Ed, I have tried diversionary thinking. Glad it worked for you.

OK. here's what I have done to stay a half step ahead of the p. a. As soon as I

get out of bed in the morn I head for the refrigerator and put a spoonful of cc

oil on a leaf of romaine. After an hr or so I cook breakfast which I have

increased from veg, 1 egg, coc oil to veg, 2 eggs and a piece of chicken or

steak and of course coc oil.

This tides me over til about 11 am at which time I toast up some almonds that

have been soaking overnight and salt liberally.

The light headedness is at its lowest starting an hr after lunch. I have another

almond snack around mid aft and then again around 8 pm.

I will get rid of the almond snack once I feel stronger but I need to stop the

pa now. I am also going to try maca powder to replace almonds. Other than that I

am basically in accorance with bee's diet.

> > >

> > > I used to have severe attacks 15 yrs ago. Finally put an end to them after

taking a prescribed drug, can't remember the name. What I know now that I didn't

then is that the attacks probably resulted from carb binging and blood sugar

jumping all over the place making the insulin crazy.

> > >

> @@ Snip

>

> @@ Hi Norm,

>

> I see some of the natives have given some great advice.

>

> Since these are economically, difficult times, I'll ad my 1 cent, since I

cannot afford 2 cents. Too rich for my blood.

>

> Nonetheless, I, like you, endured panic attacks for numerous years and I was a

perfectionist. Which didn't help. Anywho, that's right, that's a typo, leave me

alone. Its for effect.

>

> Now, while the deep breathing exercises have their place, they're better

practiced regularly to help you changed your programmed hyped state to a calm

state. Which changes and trades off a bad habit for a good habit.

>

> However, when you feel the symptoms of panic/anxiousness approaching, its far

more effective to use the " tool of distraction " . Every method I've ever

heard/studied that was effective was based on this tool of " distraction " in one

way or another. Panic is quite an involved state of mind and requires something

equal or stronger to counter and change the direction of your mind.

>

> Again, I'm speaking from experience, not just theory. The breathing during a

panic attack usually does not work because it is not " strong' enough of a

distraction and that is key. To change your focus from panic/anxiousness,

involve yourself in conversation, a hobby, or perhaps plan a bank robbery ....

you know something that takes a lot of though ;=] You get the idea, right?

>

> Anyway, right not anywho, your attentive, I like that. Nonetheless, those

tools plus the diet will set you in the right direction.

>

> Oh ,and this applies to anyone else with anxiety issues or panic disorder.

Remember, " Distraction " is powerful, useful tool, not to be underestimated.

Don't buy courses or programs to learn something as simple as distraction.

There are plenty out there, Linden, Lucinda Bassett program... etc. I

know them well.

>

> You are more capable & powerful than you think. Don't be a victim of the

system :/

>

> Your Friend in Health,

> Ed

> group moderator

>

October 31, 2010

>

<snip>

>

> OK. here's what I have done to stay a half step ahead of the p. a. As soon as

I get out of bed in the morn I head for the refrigerator and put a spoonful of

cc oil on a leaf of romaine. After an hr or so I cook breakfast which I have

increased from veg, 1 egg, coc oil to veg, 2 eggs and a piece of chicken or

steak and of course coc oil.

+++Hi Norm. What is " cc oil " (you have on the romaine)?

>

> This tides me over til about 11 am at which time I toast up some almonds that

have been soaking overnight and salt liberally.

>

> The light headedness is at its lowest starting an hr after lunch. I have

another almond snack around mid aft and then again around 8 pm.

>

> I will get rid of the almond snack once I feel stronger but I need to stop the

pa now. I am also going to try maca powder to replace almonds. Other than that I

am basically in accorance with bee's diet.

+++Why do you feel you need maca powder, since it isn't going to help you?

All the best, Bee

October 31, 2010

Sorry bee I meant coc oil not cc but maybe I should stop taking short cuts

anyway and just say coconut.

I have been doing quite well adhering to the diet. I used to eat a big bag of

tortilla chips or other type junk every couple days and 1/2 gal ice cream every

week. So taking care of this low sugar (whether it's retrace or hypoglycemia)

thing is paramount short term. I read that maca helps to balance out low or high

blood sugar even though the root has sugars itself. Also maca is reported to

have all kinds of health benefits. Here's a little snipet.

Q. Since Maca affects the pancreas, does it help with low blood sugar or

diabetes?

A. Most of the research on Maca has focused on the sex hormones. However, there

are reports of people whose blood sugar-high or low balanced out after using

Maca. And some women said that they no longer had sugar cravings.

Note: Any sexual help is a bonus-

> >

> <snip>

> >

> > OK. here's what I have done to stay a half step ahead of the p. a. As soon

as I get out of bed in the morn I head for the refrigerator and put a spoonful

of cc oil on a leaf of romaine. After an hr or so I cook breakfast which I have

increased from veg, 1 egg, coc oil to veg, 2 eggs and a piece of chicken or

steak and of course coc oil.

>

> +++Hi Norm. What is " cc oil " (you have on the romaine)?

> >

> > This tides me over til about 11 am at which time I toast up some almonds

that have been soaking overnight and salt liberally.

> >

> > The light headedness is at its lowest starting an hr after lunch. I have

another almond snack around mid aft and then again around 8 pm.

> >

> > I will get rid of the almond snack once I feel stronger but I need to stop

the pa now. I am also going to try maca powder to replace almonds. Other than

that I am basically in accorance with bee's diet.

>

> +++Why do you feel you need maca powder, since it isn't going to help you?

>

> All the best, Bee

>

November 1, 2010

>

> Sorry bee I meant coc oil not cc but maybe I should stop taking short cuts

anyway and just say coconut.

>

> I have been doing quite well adhering to the diet. I used to eat a big bag of

tortilla chips or other type junk every couple days and 1/2 gal ice cream every

week. So taking care of this low sugar (whether it's retrace or hypoglycemia)

thing is paramount short term. I read that maca helps to balance out low or high

blood sugar even though the root has sugars itself. Also maca is reported to

have all kinds of health benefits. Here's a little snipet.

>

> Q. Since Maca affects the pancreas, does it help with low blood sugar or

diabetes?

> A. Most of the research on Maca has focused on the sex hormones. However,

there are reports of people whose blood sugar-high or low balanced out after

using Maca. And some women said that they no longer had sugar cravings.

+++Hi Norm. There are numerous claims about many helpful plants like Maca,

however none of them are necessary, nor even helpful to anyone on this program.

Cinnamon does the same thing as Maca anyway, and it is an allowed spice which is

in Bee's Egg Drink.

Your libido/sex drive will naturally normalize as you progress on this program -

see ROM's wonderful success story:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/success/ss52a.php

Your body is smart enough to do everything it needs to detoxify and heal itself

if you simply follow this program, however " more is not better. " What mainly

helps you is " nutrients! "

All the best, Bee

November 1, 2010

Thanks bee. eom-- Norm

> >

> > Sorry bee I meant coc oil not cc but maybe I should stop taking short cuts

anyway and just say coconut.

> >

> > I have been doing quite well adhering to the diet. I used to eat a big bag

of tortilla chips or other type junk every couple days and 1/2 gal ice cream

every week. So taking care of this low sugar (whether it's retrace or

hypoglycemia) thing is paramount short term. I read that maca helps to balance

out low or high blood sugar even though the root has sugars itself. Also maca is

reported to have all kinds of health benefits. Here's a little snipet.

> >

> > Q. Since Maca affects the pancreas, does it help with low blood sugar or

diabetes?

> > A. Most of the research on Maca has focused on the sex hormones. However,

there are reports of people whose blood sugar-high or low balanced out after

using Maca. And some women said that they no longer had sugar cravings.

>

> +++Hi Norm. There are numerous claims about many helpful plants like Maca,

however none of them are necessary, nor even helpful to anyone on this program.

>

> Cinnamon does the same thing as Maca anyway, and it is an allowed spice which

is in Bee's Egg Drink.

>

> Your libido/sex drive will naturally normalize as you progress on this program

- see ROM's wonderful success story:

> http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/success/ss52a.php

>

> Your body is smart enough to do everything it needs to detoxify and heal

itself if you simply follow this program, however " more is not better. " What

mainly helps you is " nutrients! "

>

> All the best, Bee

>

January 24, 2011

Okay, 1 month ago I was feeling well and very optimistic about my progress with

the lyme tea I'm taking for my lyme and bartonella. For 3 weeks now I have been

having major anxiety and daily panic attacks, or what I think are panic attacks.

Some days they are so debilitating that I struggle to go to work and function. I

get horrible muscle tremors, sweating, racing pulse and feel like I'm gonna lose

my mind at any point or just plain drop dead. Somedays I wonder if the misery

will ever end. I was taking magnesium and holy basil for this but it doesn't

seem to be helping anymore. Will it ever end? Any recommendations?

January 24, 2011

i think i have heard that 5HTP and gaba help. i know acupuncture helps me.

On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 7:19 PM, First L <snowgirlvt@...> wrote:

>

> Okay, 1 month ago I was feeling well and very optimistic about my progress

> with the lyme tea I'm taking for my lyme and bartonella. For 3 weeks now I

> have been having major anxiety and daily panic attacks, or what I think are

> panic attacks. Some days they are so debilitating that I struggle to go to

> work and function. I get horrible muscle tremors, sweating, racing pulse and

> feel like I'm gonna lose my mind at any point or just plain drop dead.

> Somedays I wonder if the misery will ever end. I was taking magnesium and

> holy basil for this but it doesn't seem to be helping anymore. Will it ever

> end? Any recommendations?

>

January 25, 2011

Hi, . Before I got Lyme, I was doing well on Saint 's Wort, but now

I have had to resort to Prozac and I'm doing very well on it.

Hope you feel better soon.

January 25, 2011

, your symptoms sound identical to what I experienced early on. I had

severe panic attacks and symptoms like this for the first year after being

infected, and they slowly subsided after starting Buhner herbs and changing my

lifestyle (i.e. dramatically dropping my activity level). After 9 months on the

protocol, I still get mild anxiety (mostly during the night, associated with

insomnia) occasionally, and still feel shaky and hot sometimes, but overall,

it's wayyy better! Look in the book for neuroborreliosis herbs in the

" expanded " protocol section. I have hope that these symptoms will eventually

disappear, but for now it's mild and manageable, provided I stick to my

lifestyle, food, and of course the protocol.

Phil

>

> Okay, 1 month ago I was feeling well and very optimistic about my progress

with the lyme tea I'm taking for my lyme and bartonella. For 3 weeks now I have

been having major anxiety and daily panic attacks, or what I think are panic

attacks. Some days they are so debilitating that I struggle to go to work and

function. I get horrible muscle tremors, sweating, racing pulse and feel like

I'm gonna lose my mind at any point or just plain drop dead. Somedays I wonder

if the misery will ever end. I was taking magnesium and holy basil for this but

it doesn't seem to be helping anymore. Will it ever end? Any recommendations?

>

January 25, 2011

Thank you for the hope Phil.

snowgirlvt@...

PRIVACY &

January 31, 2011

Thanks for these links!

Connie

Some good links thought Id share

http://feingold.org - info on additives

http://www.truthinlabeling.org/SourcesBrochure.pdf

http://www.celiac.com/articles/182/1/Unsafe-Gluten-Free-Food-List-Unsafe-Ingredi\

ents/Page1.html

http://www.drsref.com.au/foodaddcodes.html

http://meatnplace.net/foodadditives.html

http://www.fedupwithfoodadditives.info/factsheets/Factintroduction.htm

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/natural/912.html iron

http://www.wildhealthfood.com/Food-Additives-to-Avoid

Hope everyone is getting better lyme or any immune disorder is surely not easy

Jeannine

February 1, 2011

Jeannine,

Thank you so much for all your information about your experience with panic

attacks. I have noticed certain triggers. Caffeine, of any sort, chocolate,

sugar, gluten products and alcohol seem to trigger them for me. I am trying to

eat a much cleaner diet, excluding the trigger foods. I have been feeling a

little better this week.

snowgirlvt@...

PRIVACY &

March 12, 2012

Hello Ali,

It could be that you are suffering

with adrenal fatigue and if this is the case, and depending on the severity of

this, you will need to start taking adrenal supplements or HC to boost

your adrenals. In your particular case, I would ask your GP to first refer you

to your hospital for a short synacthen test to check your level of cortisol

first thing in a morning. If this is refused, I would recommend getting

the 24 hour salivary adrenal profile through Genova Diagnostics (see our Files

section under the folder 'Discounts on Tests and Supplements'). When ordering

from Genova, tell them that Thyroid Patient Advocacy is your practitioner, to

claim your discount. The results will be sent to you, and you should then post

the results on to the Forum together with the reference range and we will help

with their interpretation. This test will show us where your cortisol and DHEA

levels lie at four specific times during the day.

You may be suffering with low

pituitary function caused by Sheehan's Syndrome, which is a condition brought

on by severe blood loss during pregnancy - see http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/sheehans-syndrome/DS00889/DSECTION=symptoms

and you will see the connection to thyroid/pituitary disease. Read about

this to understand what is happening and talk to your doctor about it, as it is

something s/he may not have considered.

Diagnosis of Sheehan's

syndrome can be difficult and your doctor may base the diagnosis on your medical

history, so it's important to mention any childbirth complications you may have

had, no matter how long ago you gave birth. Also, be sure to tell your doctor

if you didn't produce breast milk or you failed to start menstruating after

delivery - these are two key signs of Sheehan's syndrome.

If your history and signs and

symptoms suggest pituitary insufficiency, your doctor will give you blood tests

to check your pituitary hormone levels. You may need specialised stimulation

testing of the pituitary hormones, which typically is done after consulting an

endocrinologist.

You may also need imaging

tests, such as magnetic resonance imaging or computerised tomography, to check

the size of your pituitary and to look for other possible reasons for your

symptoms, such as a pituitary tumour.

Part of the whole problem is

first doing whatever investigations are needed to establish a correct

diagnosis, and then you can get on with taking the treatment that will help you

return to good health again.

All we can do here Ali is to

point in the direction of possible causes for your present symptoms, there may

be other causes, but take each suggestion into consideration and you will

eventually find this.

Let us know how you get on.

Luv - Sheila

Hi there could having an under treated under

active thyroid be reasonable for my panic attacks? They started after I had my

first child and I was later diagnosed with hypothyroidism and post natal

depression.I also had terrible haemerroging a few weeks after the birth too.I

have never ever been totally well in nearly 16 years and now with the diagnosis

of fibromyalgia I am trying to get my head round all this.

Will I ever be well again?

Ali

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March 12, 2012

Oh my goodness thank god i found you guys,i cant tell you how much all this means to me.You actually care!!

I have been to see my gp this morning before i read this mail.My first reason was to get this kidney pain under control as its so bad.Next i took in some info on thyroid and she was very receptive.She had been reading up about it herself as she is involved with our fibro support group.She said she will help and support me but we need to get this kidney stone stuff under control first.She is going to read the info i've given her and i am going back in 2 weeks.I have told her i am going to make an appt with Dr Skinner,she asked about him and she has told me to go ahead.I will try again today to get in touch with him.

When i see her next i will ask her about the tests for the adrenals.

Thank you Sheila.

Ali xxx

From: Sheila <sheilaturner@...>thyroid treatment Sent: Monday, 12 March 2012, 9:36Subject: RE: Panic attacks

Hello Ali,

It could be that you are suffering with adrenal fatigue and if this is the case, and depending on the severity of this, you will need to start taking adrenal supplements or HC to boost your adrenals. In your particular case, I would ask your GP to first refer you to your hospital for a short synacthen test to check your level of cortisol first thing in a morning. If this is refused, I would recommend getting the 24 hour salivary adrenal profile through Genova Diagnostics (see our Files section under the folder 'Discounts on Tests and Supplements'). When ordering from Genova, tell them that Thyroid Patient Advocacy is your practitioner, to claim your discount. The results will be sent to you, and you should then post the results on to the Forum together with the reference range and we will help with their interpretation. This test will show us where your cortisol and DHEA levels

lie at four specific times during the day.

You may be suffering with low pituitary function caused by Sheehan's Syndrome, which is a condition brought on by severe blood loss during pregnancy - see http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/sheehans-syndrome/DS00889/DSECTION=symptoms and you will see the connection to thyroid/pituitary disease. Read about this to understand what is happening and talk to your doctor about it, as it is something s/he may not have considered.

Diagnosis of Sheehan's syndrome can be difficult and your doctor may base the diagnosis on your medical history, so it's important to mention any childbirth complications you may have had, no matter how long ago you gave birth. Also, be sure to tell your doctor if you didn't produce breast milk or you failed to start menstruating after delivery - these are two key signs of Sheehan's syndrome.

If your history and signs and symptoms suggest pituitary insufficiency, your doctor will give you blood tests to check your pituitary hormone levels. You may need specialised stimulation testing of the pituitary hormones, which typically is done after consulting an endocrinologist.

You may also need imaging tests, such as magnetic resonance imaging or computerised tomography, to check the size of your pituitary and to look for other possible reasons for your symptoms, such as a pituitary tumour.

Part of the whole problem is first doing whatever investigations are needed to establish a correct diagnosis, and then you can get on with taking the treatment that will help you return to good health again.

All we can do here Ali is to point in the direction of possible causes for your present symptoms, there may be other causes, but take each suggestion into consideration and you will eventually find this.

Let us know how you get on.

Luv - Sheila

Hi there could having an under treated under active thyroid be reasonable for my panic attacks? They started after I had my first child and I was later diagnosed with hypothyroidism and post natal depression.I also had terrible haemerroging a few weeks after the birth too.I have never ever been totally well in nearly 16 years and now with the diagnosis of fibromyalgia I am trying to get my head round all this.Will I ever be well again?Ali

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Alison,

You will need a referral letter from your doctor to see Dr. Skinner. From your message it does not sound as if you have.

Lilian

I have told her i am going to make an appt with Dr Skinner,she asked about him and she has told me to go ahead.I will try again today to get in touch with him.

When i see her next i will ask her about the tests for the adrenals.

Thank you Sheila.

Ali xxx

March 12, 2012

Sheila do I need to get adrenals sorted before looking into my thyroid?AliSent from my iPadOn 12 Mar 2012, at 09:36, "Sheila " <sheilaturner@...> wrote: