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Will you share with us what herbs were used?

Snooks wrote:

> From: Snooks <snooks@...>

>

> , I would think that could be a possibility, but there may be other

> reasons for them as well. Have you checked this out with Dr. Whitman?

>

> You cannot live in fear. What was it Job said? " For the thing I

> greatly feared has come upon me. And what I dreaded has happened to

> me. "

>

> I've been where you are and I have no guarantee what may come in the

> future, but cancer doesn't hold the fear for me it once did. I'll never

> forget the day (1994) Dr. Duvall put his arm around my shoulder and

> said, " Ethel, I hate to tell you this, but you have acute leukemia. " *

>

> I knew something was wrong. It had been over a week since the blood

> work and biopsy and he was evading me. Dr. Duvall wanted to be sure

> before talking to me so he asked me to be at the University hospital at

> 8 AM that morning. He said there would be about 20 doctors with years

> of experience gathering for a meeting and he wanted them to look at me.

> Things just weren't looking good so my husband went with me. The

> pathlogist also came to the meeting. One by one those doctors came into

> my room, looked me over good, questioned me and walked out. Then I was

> left alone for about 20 minutes after which Dr. Duvall and the

> pathologist came in and requested we follow them back to Dr. Duvall's

> office which was in the building next to the hospital where he

> practiced. They were going to take a third biopsy. It was then I heard

> the news.

>

> I was stunned. I walked out of the office and told my husband. He took

> my hand and we walked in silence to the car.

>

> With that diagnosis, I didn't have long. We left that office and went

> straight to a health food store where just a few weeks earlier I heard

> them discussing a cancer therapy from Canada using diet, supplements and

> herbs - an old Indian remedy. I started taking the herbs immediately

> and in just over a month everything cleared up. I still take a

> maintenance dose off and on. My husband had surgery for stomach cancer

> in 1986. He takes the herbals and supplements regularly.

>

> At this same time, I had a friend with breast cancer metastasized to the

> bone. We both had the same oncologist. She immediately started the

> diet, supplements and herbs and is now in remission. Then there were

> the two women here in Dallas in their late 30's with breast cancer. The

> one, daughter of a dentist and sister of a pediatrician, had both

> breasts removed and now the cancer was back. A friend had heard me

> speak at one of the country clubs here and she came to see me. Today

> she is free of cancer.

>

> The other woman was a lab technician at the local hospital. Her

> husband's business partner had heard me speak at that same club. She

> said over the years she watched cancer patients returning to the

> hospital for more toxic therapies. Everytime they came they looked

> worse until finally they died. She knew cut, burn and poison was not

> the way for her. That woman too is free of cancer.

>

> The families of both of these women thought at the time they were out of

> their minds not to follow conventional therapy.

>

> My sister, a nurse, was so impressed she told their lawyer about the

> therapy. His wife was dying with an ovarian type cancer. Ellen

> made up the herbs, laid out a diet and supplements and personally

> supervised this woman's recovery. That was in 1994. I've lost count of

> the number of people who have been helped by this therapy. I've also

> seen it work for melanoma and cancer of the brain, lungs, pancreas, and

> liver. Several friends have found it effective for allergies and

> asthma.

>

> The information I've learned about cancer and the various effective

> alternative therapies used to treat it is absolutely amazing. I've also

> learned:

> 1. How powerful diet is in maintaining and regaining health.

> 2. The importance of keeping the colon clean daily.

> 3. The body's many needs for water.

> 4. The importance of adequate supplements including antioxidents.

> 5. The role of exercise in maintaining health.

>

> I can't control environmental pollutants that are in the very air we

> breathe, but I do follow the above 5 guidelines.

>

> Scleroderma can be just as nasty as cancer. Instead of worrying and

> fearing the worst, put your energy into doing all you can to get better.

> Keep a positive attitude.

>

> just asked if anyone had read Norman Cousins book The Anatomy of

> an Illness. Norman holed himself up in a hotel room and rented funny

> movies that made him laugh. He understood the importance a positive

> attitude had on his system.

>

> Ethel

>

> RTC@... wrote:

> >

> > From: RTC@...

> >

> > So Ethel, Do you think that nodules in the lungs are the same? I sure hope

so.

> > Dr. Chiu are you reading this? My docs are ready to open my lungs up to

see

> > if my lung nodules are cancer.

> >

> > Burlyn, did you find an internet site? Are you as worried as I am? I go to

> > sleep and wake worring,,,not a productive way to be.

> > Thank good ness this list is back. I try to read every note, although there

> > seems to be too many, but it was far worse without the list.

> > Hope everyone is feeling well

> >

> > CREST 15 yrs, AP 2years.

> >

> > In a message dated 2/2/99 11:42:49 PM Eastern Standard Time,

snooks@...

> > writes:

> >

> > > Dr. Brown talked about nodules on page 149 of The New Arthritis

> > > Breakthrough.

> > >

> > > " The most pronounced and classic symptom of rheumatoid arthritis is the

> > > nodule, which appears at the joints as the first external evidence of

> > > arthritic disfigurement. Because this is so widely recognized for what

> > > it represents, some victims of the disease are actually relieved when

> > > the first rheumatoid nodule appears; now, at last, the patient has

> > > something tangible to take to the doctor. Nodules usually arise at the

> > > site of some injury, such as a sprain or bump, and although it is

> > > possible to have one or two without necessarily having arthritis, it is

> > > likely that all such nodules are the result of disease activity at the

> > > site.

> > >

> > > Nodules are unlike malignant lesions that keep on spreading, however,

> > > and they can come and go. Sometimes a patient will detect one on an

> > > elbow or wrist and make an appointment with the doctor, only to discover

> > > that the nodule has receded and perhaps even disappeared by the time the

> > > appointment is kept. Or it can vanish in one place and reappear later

> > > in another.

> > >

> > > The most likely explanation for these nodules is that they contain

> > > fibrous tissue that forms in a skein around the small lesions where the

> > > mycoplasmas are located. The tissue is a protective response by the

> > > body to contain the infection and keep it from spreading. If the

> > > mycoplasma antigen stops coming out for some reason, either because the

> > > body's defense puts it down for a while or a medicine suppresses it,

> > > then the scar tissue surrounding the germ is no longer needed and the

> > > nodule goes away. The process by which this occurs is one of natural

> > > attrition; cells are periodically replaced, and if the cause for defense

> > > is no longer there, the body will remove the old cells without sending

> > > in new ones. "

> > > bforwh wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hello

> > > > I need some info on the nodules as well does anyone have any info about

> > > > nodules on the lungs or know of a site where I might learn more about

> > them

> > > > any info appreciated .

> > > > Burlyne

> >

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, you are in the getting worse before you get better stage. Hang

in there. Yes, the doxy is making you worse. As it kills off those

organism toxins are released which travel through the body causing pain

sometimes where you have never had it before. Drink lots of water, try

the hydrogen peroxide/epsom salts baths or showers and get somebody to

massage you to move the toxins out.

Ethel

M CarrollL wrote:

>

> From: M CarrollL <LCARROLL@...>

>

> Hello group,

> SO wonderful to see everyone again! Thanks so much to all that made

> getting it up and running possible and those that worked on the makeshift

> list.

> Can anyone tell me about rheumatoid nodules? I have had two to appear

> within the last two weeks ( one one knee and one on a wrist) and I read

> that people with the severest forms of the disease get these. I supposedly

> have " mild " RA( is there such a thing????) but after four months of doxi

> have experienced more stiffness and joint pain than I ever have and now the

> nodules are starting to appear.

> Does this mean the disease is getting worse and starting in the severe

> mode? Please if anyone can help me I would appreciate it. I am getting

> very scared and hope the doxicycline isn't making me worse. Thank you so

> much!

>

>

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Hello

I need some info on the nodules as well does anyone have any info about

nodules on the lungs or know of a site where I might learn more about them

any info appreciated .

Burlyne

rheumatic Re: nodules

>From: Snooks <snooks@...>

>

>, you are in the getting worse before you get better stage. Hang

>in there. Yes, the doxy is making you worse. As it kills off those

>organism toxins are released which travel through the body causing pain

>sometimes where you have never had it before. Drink lots of water, try

>the hydrogen peroxide/epsom salts baths or showers and get somebody to

>massage you to move the toxins out.

>

>Ethel

>

> M CarrollL wrote:

>>

>> From: M CarrollL <LCARROLL@...>

>>

>> Hello group,

>> SO wonderful to see everyone again! Thanks so much to all that made

>> getting it up and running possible and those that worked on the makeshift

>> list.

>> Can anyone tell me about rheumatoid nodules? I have had two to appear

>> within the last two weeks ( one one knee and one on a wrist) and I read

>> that people with the severest forms of the disease get these. I

supposedly

>> have " mild " RA( is there such a thing????) but after four months of doxi

>> have experienced more stiffness and joint pain than I ever have and now

the

>> nodules are starting to appear.

>> Does this mean the disease is getting worse and starting in the severe

>> mode? Please if anyone can help me I would appreciate it. I am getting

>> very scared and hope the doxicycline isn't making me worse. Thank you so

>> much!

>>

>>

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>> to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at and

>> select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left.

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Dr. Brown talked about nodules on page 149 of The New Arthritis

Breakthrough.

" The most pronounced and classic symptom of rheumatoid arthritis is the

nodule, which appears at the joints as the first external evidence of

arthritic disfigurement. Because this is so widely recognized for what

it represents, some victims of the disease are actually relieved when

the first rheumatoid nodule appears; now, at last, the patient has

something tangible to take to the doctor. Nodules usually arise at the

site of some injury, such as a sprain or bump, and although it is

possible to have one or two without necessarily having arthritis, it is

likely that all such nodules are the result of disease activity at the

site.

Nodules are unlike malignant lesions that keep on spreading, however,

and they can come and go. Sometimes a patient will detect one on an

elbow or wrist and make an appointment with the doctor, only to discover

that the nodule has receded and perhaps even disappeared by the time the

appointment is kept. Or it can vanish in one place and reappear later

in another.

The most likely explanation for these nodules is that they contain

fibrous tissue that forms in a skein around the small lesions where the

mycoplasmas are located. The tissue is a protective response by the

body to contain the infection and keep it from spreading. If the

mycoplasma antigen stops coming out for some reason, either because the

body's defense puts it down for a while or a medicine suppresses it,

then the scar tissue surrounding the germ is no longer needed and the

nodule goes away. The process by which this occurs is one of natural

attrition; cells are periodically replaced, and if the cause for defense

is no longer there, the body will remove the old cells without sending

in new ones. "

bforwh wrote:

>

> Hello

> I need some info on the nodules as well does anyone have any info about

> nodules on the lungs or know of a site where I might learn more about them

> any info appreciated .

> Burlyne

> rheumatic Re: nodules

>

> >From: Snooks <snooks@...>

> >

> >, you are in the getting worse before you get better stage. Hang

> >in there. Yes, the doxy is making you worse. As it kills off those

> >organism toxins are released which travel through the body causing pain

> >sometimes where you have never had it before. Drink lots of water, try

> >the hydrogen peroxide/epsom salts baths or showers and get somebody to

> >massage you to move the toxins out.

> >

> >Ethel

> >

> > M CarrollL wrote:

> >>

> >> From: M CarrollL <LCARROLL@...>

> >>

> >> Hello group,

> >> SO wonderful to see everyone again! Thanks so much to all that made

> >> getting it up and running possible and those that worked on the makeshift

> >> list.

> >> Can anyone tell me about rheumatoid nodules? I have had two to appear

> >> within the last two weeks ( one one knee and one on a wrist) and I read

> >> that people with the severest forms of the disease get these. I

> supposedly

> >> have " mild " RA( is there such a thing????) but after four months of doxi

> >> have experienced more stiffness and joint pain than I ever have and now

> the

> >> nodules are starting to appear.

> >> Does this mean the disease is getting worse and starting in the severe

> >> mode? Please if anyone can help me I would appreciate it. I am getting

> >> very scared and hope the doxicycline isn't making me worse. Thank you so

> >> much!

> >>

> >>

> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

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> >> to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at and

> >> select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left.

> >

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So Ethel, Do you think that nodules in the lungs are the same? I sure hope so.

Dr. Chiu are you reading this? My docs are ready to open my lungs up to see

if my lung nodules are cancer.

Burlyn, did you find an internet site? Are you as worried as I am? I go to

sleep and wake worring,,,not a productive way to be.

Thank good ness this list is back. I try to read every note, although there

seems to be too many, but it was far worse without the list.

Hope everyone is feeling well

CREST 15 yrs, AP 2years.

In a message dated 2/2/99 11:42:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, snooks@...

writes:

> Dr. Brown talked about nodules on page 149 of The New Arthritis

> Breakthrough.

>

> " The most pronounced and classic symptom of rheumatoid arthritis is the

> nodule, which appears at the joints as the first external evidence of

> arthritic disfigurement. Because this is so widely recognized for what

> it represents, some victims of the disease are actually relieved when

> the first rheumatoid nodule appears; now, at last, the patient has

> something tangible to take to the doctor. Nodules usually arise at the

> site of some injury, such as a sprain or bump, and although it is

> possible to have one or two without necessarily having arthritis, it is

> likely that all such nodules are the result of disease activity at the

> site.

>

> Nodules are unlike malignant lesions that keep on spreading, however,

> and they can come and go. Sometimes a patient will detect one on an

> elbow or wrist and make an appointment with the doctor, only to discover

> that the nodule has receded and perhaps even disappeared by the time the

> appointment is kept. Or it can vanish in one place and reappear later

> in another.

>

> The most likely explanation for these nodules is that they contain

> fibrous tissue that forms in a skein around the small lesions where the

> mycoplasmas are located. The tissue is a protective response by the

> body to contain the infection and keep it from spreading. If the

> mycoplasma antigen stops coming out for some reason, either because the

> body's defense puts it down for a while or a medicine suppresses it,

> then the scar tissue surrounding the germ is no longer needed and the

> nodule goes away. The process by which this occurs is one of natural

> attrition; cells are periodically replaced, and if the cause for defense

> is no longer there, the body will remove the old cells without sending

> in new ones. "

> bforwh wrote:

> >

> > Hello

> > I need some info on the nodules as well does anyone have any info about

> > nodules on the lungs or know of a site where I might learn more about

them

> > any info appreciated .

> > Burlyne

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, I would think that could be a possibility, but there may be other

reasons for them as well. Have you checked this out with Dr. Whitman?

You cannot live in fear. What was it Job said? " For the thing I

greatly feared has come upon me. And what I dreaded has happened to

me. "

I've been where you are and I have no guarantee what may come in the

future, but cancer doesn't hold the fear for me it once did. I'll never

forget the day (1994) Dr. Duvall put his arm around my shoulder and

said, " Ethel, I hate to tell you this, but you have acute leukemia. " *

I knew something was wrong. It had been over a week since the blood

work and biopsy and he was evading me. Dr. Duvall wanted to be sure

before talking to me so he asked me to be at the University hospital at

8 AM that morning. He said there would be about 20 doctors with years

of experience gathering for a meeting and he wanted them to look at me.

Things just weren't looking good so my husband went with me. The

pathlogist also came to the meeting. One by one those doctors came into

my room, looked me over good, questioned me and walked out. Then I was

left alone for about 20 minutes after which Dr. Duvall and the

pathologist came in and requested we follow them back to Dr. Duvall's

office which was in the building next to the hospital where he

practiced. They were going to take a third biopsy. It was then I heard

the news.

I was stunned. I walked out of the office and told my husband. He took

my hand and we walked in silence to the car.

With that diagnosis, I didn't have long. We left that office and went

straight to a health food store where just a few weeks earlier I heard

them discussing a cancer therapy from Canada using diet, supplements and

herbs - an old Indian remedy. I started taking the herbs immediately

and in just over a month everything cleared up. I still take a

maintenance dose off and on. My husband had surgery for stomach cancer

in 1986. He takes the herbals and supplements regularly.

At this same time, I had a friend with breast cancer metastasized to the

bone. We both had the same oncologist. She immediately started the

diet, supplements and herbs and is now in remission. Then there were

the two women here in Dallas in their late 30's with breast cancer. The

one, daughter of a dentist and sister of a pediatrician, had both

breasts removed and now the cancer was back. A friend had heard me

speak at one of the country clubs here and she came to see me. Today

she is free of cancer.

The other woman was a lab technician at the local hospital. Her

husband's business partner had heard me speak at that same club. She

said over the years she watched cancer patients returning to the

hospital for more toxic therapies. Everytime they came they looked

worse until finally they died. She knew cut, burn and poison was not

the way for her. That woman too is free of cancer.

The families of both of these women thought at the time they were out of

their minds not to follow conventional therapy.

My sister, a nurse, was so impressed she told their lawyer about the

therapy. His wife was dying with an ovarian type cancer. Ellen

made up the herbs, laid out a diet and supplements and personally

supervised this woman's recovery. That was in 1994. I've lost count of

the number of people who have been helped by this therapy. I've also

seen it work for melanoma and cancer of the brain, lungs, pancreas, and

liver. Several friends have found it effective for allergies and

asthma.

The information I've learned about cancer and the various effective

alternative therapies used to treat it is absolutely amazing. I've also

learned:

1. How powerful diet is in maintaining and regaining health.

2. The importance of keeping the colon clean daily.

3. The body's many needs for water.

4. The importance of adequate supplements including antioxidents.

5. The role of exercise in maintaining health.

I can't control environmental pollutants that are in the very air we

breathe, but I do follow the above 5 guidelines.

Scleroderma can be just as nasty as cancer. Instead of worrying and

fearing the worst, put your energy into doing all you can to get better.

Keep a positive attitude.

just asked if anyone had read Norman Cousins book The Anatomy of

an Illness. Norman holed himself up in a hotel room and rented funny

movies that made him laugh. He understood the importance a positive

attitude had on his system.

Ethel

RTC@... wrote:

>

> From: RTC@...

>

> So Ethel, Do you think that nodules in the lungs are the same? I sure hope so.

> Dr. Chiu are you reading this? My docs are ready to open my lungs up to see

> if my lung nodules are cancer.

>

> Burlyn, did you find an internet site? Are you as worried as I am? I go to

> sleep and wake worring,,,not a productive way to be.

> Thank good ness this list is back. I try to read every note, although there

> seems to be too many, but it was far worse without the list.

> Hope everyone is feeling well

>

> CREST 15 yrs, AP 2years.

>

> In a message dated 2/2/99 11:42:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, snooks@...

> writes:

>

> > Dr. Brown talked about nodules on page 149 of The New Arthritis

> > Breakthrough.

> >

> > " The most pronounced and classic symptom of rheumatoid arthritis is the

> > nodule, which appears at the joints as the first external evidence of

> > arthritic disfigurement. Because this is so widely recognized for what

> > it represents, some victims of the disease are actually relieved when

> > the first rheumatoid nodule appears; now, at last, the patient has

> > something tangible to take to the doctor. Nodules usually arise at the

> > site of some injury, such as a sprain or bump, and although it is

> > possible to have one or two without necessarily having arthritis, it is

> > likely that all such nodules are the result of disease activity at the

> > site.

> >

> > Nodules are unlike malignant lesions that keep on spreading, however,

> > and they can come and go. Sometimes a patient will detect one on an

> > elbow or wrist and make an appointment with the doctor, only to discover

> > that the nodule has receded and perhaps even disappeared by the time the

> > appointment is kept. Or it can vanish in one place and reappear later

> > in another.

> >

> > The most likely explanation for these nodules is that they contain

> > fibrous tissue that forms in a skein around the small lesions where the

> > mycoplasmas are located. The tissue is a protective response by the

> > body to contain the infection and keep it from spreading. If the

> > mycoplasma antigen stops coming out for some reason, either because the

> > body's defense puts it down for a while or a medicine suppresses it,

> > then the scar tissue surrounding the germ is no longer needed and the

> > nodule goes away. The process by which this occurs is one of natural

> > attrition; cells are periodically replaced, and if the cause for defense

> > is no longer there, the body will remove the old cells without sending

> > in new ones. "

> > bforwh wrote:

> > >

> > > Hello

> > > I need some info on the nodules as well does anyone have any info about

> > > nodules on the lungs or know of a site where I might learn more about

> them

> > > any info appreciated .

> > > Burlyne

>

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hello . I never found a site about the lung nodules yet they say mine isn't

nodules and that it is cancer but I don't believe them and never have my

pnuemonia hasn't cleared up completely yet

I went to an herbilist yesterday and she tested me using accupreasure and

told me every problem that I had and I hadn't told her anything but she told

me I didn't have cancer I go today for another CT scan to see if that spot

is still there and if it is they want to give me chemo but I am going for

the herbs instead they already gave me radiation and it wasn't even where

the cancer is supposed to be But when fromthe first time they told me I

just couldn't except it and still don't so I am really hoping they are wrong

there are a lot of things I have found on the internet that can cause a spot

like mine on the lungs snd for what I been thru it sounds they sound more

logical so don't give up hope on yourself or God

Burlyne

rheumatic Re: nodules

>From: Snooks <snooks@...>

>

>, I would think that could be a possibility, but there may be other

>reasons for them as well. Have you checked this out with Dr. Whitman?

>

>You cannot live in fear. What was it Job said? " For the thing I

>greatly feared has come upon me. And what I dreaded has happened to

>me. "

>

>I've been where you are and I have no guarantee what may come in the

>future, but cancer doesn't hold the fear for me it once did. I'll never

>forget the day (1994) Dr. Duvall put his arm around my shoulder and

>said, " Ethel, I hate to tell you this, but you have acute leukemia. " *

>

>I knew something was wrong. It had been over a week since the blood

>work and biopsy and he was evading me. Dr. Duvall wanted to be sure

>before talking to me so he asked me to be at the University hospital at

>8 AM that morning. He said there would be about 20 doctors with years

>of experience gathering for a meeting and he wanted them to look at me.

>Things just weren't looking good so my husband went with me. The

>pathlogist also came to the meeting. One by one those doctors came into

>my room, looked me over good, questioned me and walked out. Then I was

>left alone for about 20 minutes after which Dr. Duvall and the

>pathologist came in and requested we follow them back to Dr. Duvall's

>office which was in the building next to the hospital where he

>practiced. They were going to take a third biopsy. It was then I heard

>the news.

>

>I was stunned. I walked out of the office and told my husband. He took

>my hand and we walked in silence to the car.

>

>With that diagnosis, I didn't have long. We left that office and went

>straight to a health food store where just a few weeks earlier I heard

>them discussing a cancer therapy from Canada using diet, supplements and

>herbs - an old Indian remedy. I started taking the herbs immediately

>and in just over a month everything cleared up. I still take a

>maintenance dose off and on. My husband had surgery for stomach cancer

>in 1986. He takes the herbals and supplements regularly.

>

>At this same time, I had a friend with breast cancer metastasized to the

>bone. We both had the same oncologist. She immediately started the

>diet, supplements and herbs and is now in remission. Then there were

>the two women here in Dallas in their late 30's with breast cancer. The

>one, daughter of a dentist and sister of a pediatrician, had both

>breasts removed and now the cancer was back. A friend had heard me

>speak at one of the country clubs here and she came to see me. Today

>she is free of cancer.

>

>The other woman was a lab technician at the local hospital. Her

>husband's business partner had heard me speak at that same club. She

>said over the years she watched cancer patients returning to the

>hospital for more toxic therapies. Everytime they came they looked

>worse until finally they died. She knew cut, burn and poison was not

>the way for her. That woman too is free of cancer.

>

>The families of both of these women thought at the time they were out of

>their minds not to follow conventional therapy.

>

>My sister, a nurse, was so impressed she told their lawyer about the

>therapy. His wife was dying with an ovarian type cancer. Ellen

>made up the herbs, laid out a diet and supplements and personally

>supervised this woman's recovery. That was in 1994. I've lost count of

>the number of people who have been helped by this therapy. I've also

>seen it work for melanoma and cancer of the brain, lungs, pancreas, and

>liver. Several friends have found it effective for allergies and

>asthma.

>

>The information I've learned about cancer and the various effective

>alternative therapies used to treat it is absolutely amazing. I've also

>learned:

>1. How powerful diet is in maintaining and regaining health.

>2. The importance of keeping the colon clean daily.

>3. The body's many needs for water.

>4. The importance of adequate supplements including antioxidents.

>5. The role of exercise in maintaining health.

>

>I can't control environmental pollutants that are in the very air we

>breathe, but I do follow the above 5 guidelines.

>

>Scleroderma can be just as nasty as cancer. Instead of worrying and

>fearing the worst, put your energy into doing all you can to get better.

>Keep a positive attitude.

>

> just asked if anyone had read Norman Cousins book The Anatomy of

>an Illness. Norman holed himself up in a hotel room and rented funny

>movies that made him laugh. He understood the importance a positive

>attitude had on his system.

>

>Ethel

>

>

>

>

>

>RTC@... wrote:

>>

>> From: RTC@...

>>

>> So Ethel, Do you think that nodules in the lungs are the same? I sure

hope so.

>> Dr. Chiu are you reading this? My docs are ready to open my lungs up to

see

>> if my lung nodules are cancer.

>>

>> Burlyn, did you find an internet site? Are you as worried as I am? I go

to

>> sleep and wake worring,,,not a productive way to be.

>> Thank good ness this list is back. I try to read every note, although

there

>> seems to be too many, but it was far worse without the list.

>> Hope everyone is feeling well

>>

>> CREST 15 yrs, AP 2years.

>>

>> In a message dated 2/2/99 11:42:49 PM Eastern Standard Time,

snooks@...

>> writes:

>>

>> > Dr. Brown talked about nodules on page 149 of The New Arthritis

>> > Breakthrough.

>> >

>> > " The most pronounced and classic symptom of rheumatoid arthritis is

the

>> > nodule, which appears at the joints as the first external evidence of

>> > arthritic disfigurement. Because this is so widely recognized for

what

>> > it represents, some victims of the disease are actually relieved when

>> > the first rheumatoid nodule appears; now, at last, the patient has

>> > something tangible to take to the doctor. Nodules usually arise at

the

>> > site of some injury, such as a sprain or bump, and although it is

>> > possible to have one or two without necessarily having arthritis, it

is

>> > likely that all such nodules are the result of disease activity at the

>> > site.

>> >

>> > Nodules are unlike malignant lesions that keep on spreading, however,

>> > and they can come and go. Sometimes a patient will detect one on an

>> > elbow or wrist and make an appointment with the doctor, only to

discover

>> > that the nodule has receded and perhaps even disappeared by the time

the

>> > appointment is kept. Or it can vanish in one place and reappear later

>> > in another.

>> >

>> > The most likely explanation for these nodules is that they contain

>> > fibrous tissue that forms in a skein around the small lesions where

the

>> > mycoplasmas are located. The tissue is a protective response by the

>> > body to contain the infection and keep it from spreading. If the

>> > mycoplasma antigen stops coming out for some reason, either because

the

>> > body's defense puts it down for a while or a medicine suppresses it,

>> > then the scar tissue surrounding the germ is no longer needed and the

>> > nodule goes away. The process by which this occurs is one of natural

>> > attrition; cells are periodically replaced, and if the cause for

defense

>> > is no longer there, the body will remove the old cells without sending

>> > in new ones. "

>> > bforwh wrote:

>> > >

>> > > Hello

>> > > I need some info on the nodules as well does anyone have any info

about

>> > > nodules on the lungs or know of a site where I might learn more

about

>> them

>> > > any info appreciated .

>> > >

Burlyne

>>

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Please let me know what happens with your CAT. I will get a second opinion or

two before I let them cut.

Where are you located? Dr. Whitman gave me the name of a pulminologist he

trusts, and urged me to go there before any cutting.

In a message dated 2/4/99 9:42:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, bforwh@...

writes:

> hello . I never found a site about the lung nodules yet they say mine isn't

> nodules and that it is cancer but I don't believe them and never have my

> pnuemonia hasn't cleared up completely yet

> I went to an herbilist yesterday and she tested me using accupreasure and

> told me every problem that I had and I hadn't told her anything but she

told

> me I didn't have cancer I go today for another CT scan to see if that spot

> is still there and if it is they want to give me chemo but I am going for

> the herbs instead they already gave me radiation and it wasn't even

where

> the cancer is supposed to be But when fromthe first time they told me I

> just couldn't except it and still don't so I am really hoping they are

wrong

> there are a lot of things I have found on the internet that can cause a

spot

> like mine on the lungs snd for what I been thru it sounds they sound more

> logical so don't give up hope on yourself or God

> Burlyne

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The herbs are -

burdock root

sheep sorrel

slippery elm

turkey root

Lea Tanner wrote:

>

> From: Lea Tanner <cocka2.@...>

>

> Will you share with us what herbs were used?

>

> Snooks wrote:

>

> > From: Snooks <snooks@...>

> >

> > , I would think that could be a possibility, but there may be other

> > reasons for them as well. Have you checked this out with Dr. Whitman?

> >

> > You cannot live in fear. What was it Job said? " For the thing I

> > greatly feared has come upon me. And what I dreaded has happened to

> > me. "

> >

> > I've been where you are and I have no guarantee what may come in the

> > future, but cancer doesn't hold the fear for me it once did. I'll never

> > forget the day (1994) Dr. Duvall put his arm around my shoulder and

> > said, " Ethel, I hate to tell you this, but you have acute leukemia. " *

> >

> > I knew something was wrong. It had been over a week since the blood

> > work and biopsy and he was evading me. Dr. Duvall wanted to be sure

> > before talking to me so he asked me to be at the University hospital at

> > 8 AM that morning. He said there would be about 20 doctors with years

> > of experience gathering for a meeting and he wanted them to look at me.

> > Things just weren't looking good so my husband went with me. The

> > pathlogist also came to the meeting. One by one those doctors came into

> > my room, looked me over good, questioned me and walked out. Then I was

> > left alone for about 20 minutes after which Dr. Duvall and the

> > pathologist came in and requested we follow them back to Dr. Duvall's

> > office which was in the building next to the hospital where he

> > practiced. They were going to take a third biopsy. It was then I heard

> > the news.

> >

> > I was stunned. I walked out of the office and told my husband. He took

> > my hand and we walked in silence to the car.

> >

> > With that diagnosis, I didn't have long. We left that office and went

> > straight to a health food store where just a few weeks earlier I heard

> > them discussing a cancer therapy from Canada using diet, supplements and

> > herbs - an old Indian remedy. I started taking the herbs immediately

> > and in just over a month everything cleared up. I still take a

> > maintenance dose off and on. My husband had surgery for stomach cancer

> > in 1986. He takes the herbals and supplements regularly.

> >

> > At this same time, I had a friend with breast cancer metastasized to the

> > bone. We both had the same oncologist. She immediately started the

> > diet, supplements and herbs and is now in remission. Then there were

> > the two women here in Dallas in their late 30's with breast cancer. The

> > one, daughter of a dentist and sister of a pediatrician, had both

> > breasts removed and now the cancer was back. A friend had heard me

> > speak at one of the country clubs here and she came to see me. Today

> > she is free of cancer.

> >

> > The other woman was a lab technician at the local hospital. Her

> > husband's business partner had heard me speak at that same club. She

> > said over the years she watched cancer patients returning to the

> > hospital for more toxic therapies. Everytime they came they looked

> > worse until finally they died. She knew cut, burn and poison was not

> > the way for her. That woman too is free of cancer.

> >

> > The families of both of these women thought at the time they were out of

> > their minds not to follow conventional therapy.

> >

> > My sister, a nurse, was so impressed she told their lawyer about the

> > therapy. His wife was dying with an ovarian type cancer. Ellen

> > made up the herbs, laid out a diet and supplements and personally

> > supervised this woman's recovery. That was in 1994. I've lost count of

> > the number of people who have been helped by this therapy. I've also

> > seen it work for melanoma and cancer of the brain, lungs, pancreas, and

> > liver. Several friends have found it effective for allergies and

> > asthma.

> >

> > The information I've learned about cancer and the various effective

> > alternative therapies used to treat it is absolutely amazing. I've also

> > learned:

> > 1. How powerful diet is in maintaining and regaining health.

> > 2. The importance of keeping the colon clean daily.

> > 3. The body's many needs for water.

> > 4. The importance of adequate supplements including antioxidents.

> > 5. The role of exercise in maintaining health.

> >

> > I can't control environmental pollutants that are in the very air we

> > breathe, but I do follow the above 5 guidelines.

> >

> > Scleroderma can be just as nasty as cancer. Instead of worrying and

> > fearing the worst, put your energy into doing all you can to get better.

> > Keep a positive attitude.

> >

> > just asked if anyone had read Norman Cousins book The Anatomy of

> > an Illness. Norman holed himself up in a hotel room and rented funny

> > movies that made him laugh. He understood the importance a positive

> > attitude had on his system.

> >

> > Ethel

> >

> > RTC@... wrote:

> > >

> > > From: RTC@...

> > >

> > > So Ethel, Do you think that nodules in the lungs are the same? I sure hope

so.

> > > Dr. Chiu are you reading this? My docs are ready to open my lungs up to

see

> > > if my lung nodules are cancer.

> > >

> > > Burlyn, did you find an internet site? Are you as worried as I am? I go to

> > > sleep and wake worring,,,not a productive way to be.

> > > Thank good ness this list is back. I try to read every note, although

there

> > > seems to be too many, but it was far worse without the list.

> > > Hope everyone is feeling well

> > >

> > > CREST 15 yrs, AP 2years.

> > >

> > > In a message dated 2/2/99 11:42:49 PM Eastern Standard Time,

snooks@...

> > > writes:

> > >

> > > > Dr. Brown talked about nodules on page 149 of The New Arthritis

> > > > Breakthrough.

> > > >

> > > > " The most pronounced and classic symptom of rheumatoid arthritis is the

> > > > nodule, which appears at the joints as the first external evidence of

> > > > arthritic disfigurement. Because this is so widely recognized for what

> > > > it represents, some victims of the disease are actually relieved when

> > > > the first rheumatoid nodule appears; now, at last, the patient has

> > > > something tangible to take to the doctor. Nodules usually arise at the

> > > > site of some injury, such as a sprain or bump, and although it is

> > > > possible to have one or two without necessarily having arthritis, it is

> > > > likely that all such nodules are the result of disease activity at the

> > > > site.

> > > >

> > > > Nodules are unlike malignant lesions that keep on spreading, however,

> > > > and they can come and go. Sometimes a patient will detect one on an

> > > > elbow or wrist and make an appointment with the doctor, only to

discover

> > > > that the nodule has receded and perhaps even disappeared by the time

the

> > > > appointment is kept. Or it can vanish in one place and reappear later

> > > > in another.

> > > >

> > > > The most likely explanation for these nodules is that they contain

> > > > fibrous tissue that forms in a skein around the small lesions where the

> > > > mycoplasmas are located. The tissue is a protective response by the

> > > > body to contain the infection and keep it from spreading. If the

> > > > mycoplasma antigen stops coming out for some reason, either because the

> > > > body's defense puts it down for a while or a medicine suppresses it,

> > > > then the scar tissue surrounding the germ is no longer needed and the

> > > > nodule goes away. The process by which this occurs is one of natural

> > > > attrition; cells are periodically replaced, and if the cause for

defense

> > > > is no longer there, the body will remove the old cells without sending

> > > > in new ones. "

> > > > bforwh wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Hello

> > > > > I need some info on the nodules as well does anyone have any info

about

> > > > > nodules on the lungs or know of a site where I might learn more about

> > > them

> > > > > any info appreciated .

> > > > >

Burlyne

> > >

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Ethal was it Essiac a formula who a lady named Cassie (spelled backwards for

the name of the formula) who supposedly got it from the Canadian natives?

Bev

rheumatic Re: nodules

>From: Snooks <snooks@...>

>

>, I would think that could be a possibility, but there may be other

>reasons for them as well. Have you checked this out with Dr. Whitman?

>

>You cannot live in fear. What was it Job said? " For the thing I

>greatly feared has come upon me. And what I dreaded has happened to

>me. "

>

>I've been where you are and I have no guarantee what may come in the

>future, but cancer doesn't hold the fear for me it once did. I'll never

>forget the day (1994) Dr. Duvall put his arm around my shoulder and

>said, " Ethel, I hate to tell you this, but you have acute leukemia. " *

>

>I knew something was wrong. It had been over a week since the blood

>work and biopsy and he was evading me. Dr. Duvall wanted to be sure

>before talking to me so he asked me to be at the University hospital at

>8 AM that morning. He said there would be about 20 doctors with years

>of experience gathering for a meeting and he wanted them to look at me.

>Things just weren't looking good so my husband went with me. The

>pathlogist also came to the meeting. One by one those doctors came into

>my room, looked me over good, questioned me and walked out. Then I was

>left alone for about 20 minutes after which Dr. Duvall and the

>pathologist came in and requested we follow them back to Dr. Duvall's

>office which was in the building next to the hospital where he

>practiced. They were going to take a third biopsy. It was then I heard

>the news.

>

>I was stunned. I walked out of the office and told my husband. He took

>my hand and we walked in silence to the car.

>

>With that diagnosis, I didn't have long. We left that office and went

>straight to a health food store where just a few weeks earlier I heard

>them discussing a cancer therapy from Canada using diet, supplements and

>herbs - an old Indian remedy. I started taking the herbs immediately

>and in just over a month everything cleared up. I still take a

>maintenance dose off and on. My husband had surgery for stomach cancer

>in 1986. He takes the herbals and supplements regularly.

>

>At this same time, I had a friend with breast cancer metastasized to the

>bone. We both had the same oncologist. She immediately started the

>diet, supplements and herbs and is now in remission. Then there were

>the two women here in Dallas in their late 30's with breast cancer. The

>one, daughter of a dentist and sister of a pediatrician, had both

>breasts removed and now the cancer was back. A friend had heard me

>speak at one of the country clubs here and she came to see me. Today

>she is free of cancer.

>

>The other woman was a lab technician at the local hospital. Her

>husband's business partner had heard me speak at that same club. She

>said over the years she watched cancer patients returning to the

>hospital for more toxic therapies. Everytime they came they looked

>worse until finally they died. She knew cut, burn and poison was not

>the way for her. That woman too is free of cancer.

>

>The families of both of these women thought at the time they were out of

>their minds not to follow conventional therapy.

>

>My sister, a nurse, was so impressed she told their lawyer about the

>therapy. His wife was dying with an ovarian type cancer. Ellen

>made up the herbs, laid out a diet and supplements and personally

>supervised this woman's recovery. That was in 1994. I've lost count of

>the number of people who have been helped by this therapy. I've also

>seen it work for melanoma and cancer of the brain, lungs, pancreas, and

>liver. Several friends have found it effective for allergies and

>asthma.

>

>The information I've learned about cancer and the various effective

>alternative therapies used to treat it is absolutely amazing. I've also

>learned:

>1. How powerful diet is in maintaining and regaining health.

>2. The importance of keeping the colon clean daily.

>3. The body's many needs for water.

>4. The importance of adequate supplements including antioxidents.

>5. The role of exercise in maintaining health.

>

>I can't control environmental pollutants that are in the very air we

>breathe, but I do follow the above 5 guidelines.

>

>Scleroderma can be just as nasty as cancer. Instead of worrying and

>fearing the worst, put your energy into doing all you can to get better.

>Keep a positive attitude.

>

> just asked if anyone had read Norman Cousins book The Anatomy of

>an Illness. Norman holed himself up in a hotel room and rented funny

>movies that made him laugh. He understood the importance a positive

>attitude had on his system.

>

>Ethel

>

>

>

>

>

>RTC@... wrote:

>>

>> From: RTC@...

>>

>> So Ethel, Do you think that nodules in the lungs are the same? I sure

hope so.

>> Dr. Chiu are you reading this? My docs are ready to open my lungs up to

see

>> if my lung nodules are cancer.

>>

>> Burlyn, did you find an internet site? Are you as worried as I am? I go

to

>> sleep and wake worring,,,not a productive way to be.

>> Thank good ness this list is back. I try to read every note, although

there

>> seems to be too many, but it was far worse without the list.

>> Hope everyone is feeling well

>>

>> CREST 15 yrs, AP 2years.

>>

>> In a message dated 2/2/99 11:42:49 PM Eastern Standard Time,

snooks@...

>> writes:

>>

>> > Dr. Brown talked about nodules on page 149 of The New Arthritis

>> > Breakthrough.

>> >

>> > " The most pronounced and classic symptom of rheumatoid arthritis is

the

>> > nodule, which appears at the joints as the first external evidence of

>> > arthritic disfigurement. Because this is so widely recognized for

what

>> > it represents, some victims of the disease are actually relieved when

>> > the first rheumatoid nodule appears; now, at last, the patient has

>> > something tangible to take to the doctor. Nodules usually arise at

the

>> > site of some injury, such as a sprain or bump, and although it is

>> > possible to have one or two without necessarily having arthritis, it

is

>> > likely that all such nodules are the result of disease activity at the

>> > site.

>> >

>> > Nodules are unlike malignant lesions that keep on spreading, however,

>> > and they can come and go. Sometimes a patient will detect one on an

>> > elbow or wrist and make an appointment with the doctor, only to

discover

>> > that the nodule has receded and perhaps even disappeared by the time

the

>> > appointment is kept. Or it can vanish in one place and reappear later

>> > in another.

>> >

>> > The most likely explanation for these nodules is that they contain

>> > fibrous tissue that forms in a skein around the small lesions where

the

>> > mycoplasmas are located. The tissue is a protective response by the

>> > body to contain the infection and keep it from spreading. If the

>> > mycoplasma antigen stops coming out for some reason, either because

the

>> > body's defense puts it down for a while or a medicine suppresses it,

>> > then the scar tissue surrounding the germ is no longer needed and the

>> > nodule goes away. The process by which this occurs is one of natural

>> > attrition; cells are periodically replaced, and if the cause for

defense

>> > is no longer there, the body will remove the old cells without sending

>> > in new ones. "

>> > bforwh wrote:

>> > >

>> > > Hello

>> > > I need some info on the nodules as well does anyone have any info

about

>> > > nodules on the lungs or know of a site where I might learn more

about

>> them

>> > > any info appreciated .

>> > >

Burlyne

>>

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I have read the posts on nodules with interest . Iv had nodules in both

elbows for 10 years now ,and as rheumatic MD. like to push, prod,,and

painfully crank your joints around my MD found my secret I was ducking this

as I really had no pain and they seemed to arise rather quickly and then

leveled off then stopped increasing in

numbers . Well the good physician was thorough and with

<<<<X-ray>>>> He told me that I had gout nodules . Ok I have gout nodules.

Gee , is this leading to one more pill I get to buy????

Well yes as I was told they would develop in every joint , GREAT

it had been 10 years and I didn't have them anyplace but in my elbows . I

started taking allopurinal and the swelling in my joints

needed aspirated only once every 3-4 month as opposed to

every week . Although no uric crystals were found in any joints &

Iv never had the big toe syndrome , who knows, but Ill never stop

allopurinal. Note the first med they gave me was providicid it

almost killed me................. Root.........Prayers

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Yes.

There are two books that give the background of this herb and the fight

with the Canadian government over its use.

The Essiac Report - Canada's Remarkable Unknown Cancer Remedy Cancer by

- ISBN 0-9639818-0-3 - available in health food stores

and many regular book stores or 1-800-446-3063 -

$19.95 plus S & H

Calling of an Angel by Dr. Glum- Silent Publishing in Los

Angeles - ISBN 0-9620364-0-4

Ethel

Briarwood wrote:

>

> From: " Briarwood " <briarwood@...>

>

> Ethal was it Essiac a formula who a lady named Cassie (spelled backwards for

> the name of the formula) who supposedly got it from the Canadian natives?

>

> Bev

> rheumatic Re: nodules

>

> >From: Snooks <snooks@...>

> >

> >, I would think that could be a possibility, but there may be other

> >reasons for them as well. Have you checked this out with Dr. Whitman?

> >

> >You cannot live in fear. What was it Job said? " For the thing I

> >greatly feared has come upon me. And what I dreaded has happened to

> >me. "

> >

> >I've been where you are and I have no guarantee what may come in the

> >future, but cancer doesn't hold the fear for me it once did. I'll never

> >forget the day (1994) Dr. Duvall put his arm around my shoulder and

> >said, " Ethel, I hate to tell you this, but you have acute leukemia. " *

> >

> >I knew something was wrong. It had been over a week since the blood

> >work and biopsy and he was evading me. Dr. Duvall wanted to be sure

> >before talking to me so he asked me to be at the University hospital at

> >8 AM that morning. He said there would be about 20 doctors with years

> >of experience gathering for a meeting and he wanted them to look at me.

> >Things just weren't looking good so my husband went with me. The

> >pathlogist also came to the meeting. One by one those doctors came into

> >my room, looked me over good, questioned me and walked out. Then I was

> >left alone for about 20 minutes after which Dr. Duvall and the

> >pathologist came in and requested we follow them back to Dr. Duvall's

> >office which was in the building next to the hospital where he

> >practiced. They were going to take a third biopsy. It was then I heard

> >the news.

> >

> >I was stunned. I walked out of the office and told my husband. He took

> >my hand and we walked in silence to the car.

> >

> >With that diagnosis, I didn't have long. We left that office and went

> >straight to a health food store where just a few weeks earlier I heard

> >them discussing a cancer therapy from Canada using diet, supplements and

> >herbs - an old Indian remedy. I started taking the herbs immediately

> >and in just over a month everything cleared up. I still take a

> >maintenance dose off and on. My husband had surgery for stomach cancer

> >in 1986. He takes the herbals and supplements regularly.

> >

> >At this same time, I had a friend with breast cancer metastasized to the

> >bone. We both had the same oncologist. She immediately started the

> >diet, supplements and herbs and is now in remission. Then there were

> >the two women here in Dallas in their late 30's with breast cancer. The

> >one, daughter of a dentist and sister of a pediatrician, had both

> >breasts removed and now the cancer was back. A friend had heard me

> >speak at one of the country clubs here and she came to see me. Today

> >she is free of cancer.

> >

> >The other woman was a lab technician at the local hospital. Her

> >husband's business partner had heard me speak at that same club. She

> >said over the years she watched cancer patients returning to the

> >hospital for more toxic therapies. Everytime they came they looked

> >worse until finally they died. She knew cut, burn and poison was not

> >the way for her. That woman too is free of cancer.

> >

> >The families of both of these women thought at the time they were out of

> >their minds not to follow conventional therapy.

> >

> >My sister, a nurse, was so impressed she told their lawyer about the

> >therapy. His wife was dying with an ovarian type cancer. Ellen

> >made up the herbs, laid out a diet and supplements and personally

> >supervised this woman's recovery. That was in 1994. I've lost count of

> >the number of people who have been helped by this therapy. I've also

> >seen it work for melanoma and cancer of the brain, lungs, pancreas, and

> >liver. Several friends have found it effective for allergies and

> >asthma.

> >

> >The information I've learned about cancer and the various effective

> >alternative therapies used to treat it is absolutely amazing. I've also

> >learned:

> >1. How powerful diet is in maintaining and regaining health.

> >2. The importance of keeping the colon clean daily.

> >3. The body's many needs for water.

> >4. The importance of adequate supplements including antioxidents.

> >5. The role of exercise in maintaining health.

> >

> >I can't control environmental pollutants that are in the very air we

> >breathe, but I do follow the above 5 guidelines.

> >

> >Scleroderma can be just as nasty as cancer. Instead of worrying and

> >fearing the worst, put your energy into doing all you can to get better.

> >Keep a positive attitude.

> >

> > just asked if anyone had read Norman Cousins book The Anatomy of

> >an Illness. Norman holed himself up in a hotel room and rented funny

> >movies that made him laugh. He understood the importance a positive

> >attitude had on his system.

> >

> >Ethel

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >RTC@... wrote:

> >>

> >> From: RTC@...

> >>

> >> So Ethel, Do you think that nodules in the lungs are the same? I sure

> hope so.

> >> Dr. Chiu are you reading this? My docs are ready to open my lungs up to

> see

> >> if my lung nodules are cancer.

> >>

> >> Burlyn, did you find an internet site? Are you as worried as I am? I go

> to

> >> sleep and wake worring,,,not a productive way to be.

> >> Thank good ness this list is back. I try to read every note, although

> there

> >> seems to be too many, but it was far worse without the list.

> >> Hope everyone is feeling well

> >>

> >> CREST 15 yrs, AP 2years.

> >>

> >> In a message dated 2/2/99 11:42:49 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> snooks@...

> >> writes:

> >>

> >> > Dr. Brown talked about nodules on page 149 of The New Arthritis

> >> > Breakthrough.

> >> >

> >> > " The most pronounced and classic symptom of rheumatoid arthritis is

> the

> >> > nodule, which appears at the joints as the first external evidence of

> >> > arthritic disfigurement. Because this is so widely recognized for

> what

> >> > it represents, some victims of the disease are actually relieved when

> >> > the first rheumatoid nodule appears; now, at last, the patient has

> >> > something tangible to take to the doctor. Nodules usually arise at

> the

> >> > site of some injury, such as a sprain or bump, and although it is

> >> > possible to have one or two without necessarily having arthritis, it

> is

> >> > likely that all such nodules are the result of disease activity at the

> >> > site.

> >> >

> >> > Nodules are unlike malignant lesions that keep on spreading, however,

> >> > and they can come and go. Sometimes a patient will detect one on an

> >> > elbow or wrist and make an appointment with the doctor, only to

> discover

> >> > that the nodule has receded and perhaps even disappeared by the time

> the

> >> > appointment is kept. Or it can vanish in one place and reappear later

> >> > in another.

> >> >

> >> > The most likely explanation for these nodules is that they contain

> >> > fibrous tissue that forms in a skein around the small lesions where

> the

> >> > mycoplasmas are located. The tissue is a protective response by the

> >> > body to contain the infection and keep it from spreading. If the

> >> > mycoplasma antigen stops coming out for some reason, either because

> the

> >> > body's defense puts it down for a while or a medicine suppresses it,

> >> > then the scar tissue surrounding the germ is no longer needed and the

> >> > nodule goes away. The process by which this occurs is one of natural

> >> > attrition; cells are periodically replaced, and if the cause for

> defense

> >> > is no longer there, the body will remove the old cells without sending

> >> > in new ones. "

> >> > bforwh wrote:

> >> > >

> >> > > Hello

> >> > > I need some info on the nodules as well does anyone have any info

> about

> >> > > nodules on the lungs or know of a site where I might learn more

> about

> >> them

> >> > > any info appreciated .

> >> > >

> Burlyne

> >>

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Ethel you don't hear about it anymore. I remember when Steve McQueen had

cancer and was going to Mexico for treatment people were arguing about it

and some saying it was a sham. I believe Cassie died of cancer, I can't

remember tho. Maybe someone knows. Cancer is as big a money maker as RA

and we all pay the price for the greed. I wonder if it is available. The

government in Canada is so slow to approve drugs and are scared of

alternative medicine so this lady would sure have had a fight on her hands.

The pharmaceutical companies are strong lobbyists. Just look at the price

of our meds. Shameful.

Bev

rheumatic Re: nodules

>>

>> >From: Snooks <snooks@...>

>> >

>> >, I would think that could be a possibility, but there may be other

>> >reasons for them as well. Have you checked this out with Dr. Whitman?

>> >

>> >You cannot live in fear. What was it Job said? " For the thing I

>> >greatly feared has come upon me. And what I dreaded has happened to

>> >me. "

>> >

>> >I've been where you are and I have no guarantee what may come in the

>> >future, but cancer doesn't hold the fear for me it once did. I'll never

>> >forget the day (1994) Dr. Duvall put his arm around my shoulder and

>> >said, " Ethel, I hate to tell you this, but you have acute leukemia. " *

>> >

>> >I knew something was wrong. It had been over a week since the blood

>> >work and biopsy and he was evading me. Dr. Duvall wanted to be sure

>> >before talking to me so he asked me to be at the University hospital at

>> >8 AM that morning. He said there would be about 20 doctors with years

>> >of experience gathering for a meeting and he wanted them to look at me.

>> >Things just weren't looking good so my husband went with me. The

>> >pathlogist also came to the meeting. One by one those doctors came into

>> >my room, looked me over good, questioned me and walked out. Then I was

>> >left alone for about 20 minutes after which Dr. Duvall and the

>> >pathologist came in and requested we follow them back to Dr. Duvall's

>> >office which was in the building next to the hospital where he

>> >practiced. They were going to take a third biopsy. It was then I heard

>> >the news.

>> >

>> >I was stunned. I walked out of the office and told my husband. He took

>> >my hand and we walked in silence to the car.

>> >

>> >With that diagnosis, I didn't have long. We left that office and went

>> >straight to a health food store where just a few weeks earlier I heard

>> >them discussing a cancer therapy from Canada using diet, supplements and

>> >herbs - an old Indian remedy. I started taking the herbs immediately

>> >and in just over a month everything cleared up. I still take a

>> >maintenance dose off and on. My husband had surgery for stomach cancer

>> >in 1986. He takes the herbals and supplements regularly.

>> >

>> >At this same time, I had a friend with breast cancer metastasized to the

>> >bone. We both had the same oncologist. She immediately started the

>> >diet, supplements and herbs and is now in remission. Then there were

>> >the two women here in Dallas in their late 30's with breast cancer. The

>> >one, daughter of a dentist and sister of a pediatrician, had both

>> >breasts removed and now the cancer was back. A friend had heard me

>> >speak at one of the country clubs here and she came to see me. Today

>> >she is free of cancer.

>> >

>> >The other woman was a lab technician at the local hospital. Her

>> >husband's business partner had heard me speak at that same club. She

>> >said over the years she watched cancer patients returning to the

>> >hospital for more toxic therapies. Everytime they came they looked

>> >worse until finally they died. She knew cut, burn and poison was not

>> >the way for her. That woman too is free of cancer.

>> >

>> >The families of both of these women thought at the time they were out of

>> >their minds not to follow conventional therapy.

>> >

>> >My sister, a nurse, was so impressed she told their lawyer about the

>> >therapy. His wife was dying with an ovarian type cancer. Ellen

>> >made up the herbs, laid out a diet and supplements and personally

>> >supervised this woman's recovery. That was in 1994. I've lost count of

>> >the number of people who have been helped by this therapy. I've also

>> >seen it work for melanoma and cancer of the brain, lungs, pancreas, and

>> >liver. Several friends have found it effective for allergies and

>> >asthma.

>> >

>> >The information I've learned about cancer and the various effective

>> >alternative therapies used to treat it is absolutely amazing. I've also

>> >learned:

>> >1. How powerful diet is in maintaining and regaining health.

>> >2. The importance of keeping the colon clean daily.

>> >3. The body's many needs for water.

>> >4. The importance of adequate supplements including antioxidents.

>> >5. The role of exercise in maintaining health.

>> >

>> >I can't control environmental pollutants that are in the very air we

>> >breathe, but I do follow the above 5 guidelines.

>> >

>> >Scleroderma can be just as nasty as cancer. Instead of worrying and

>> >fearing the worst, put your energy into doing all you can to get better.

>> >Keep a positive attitude.

>> >

>> > just asked if anyone had read Norman Cousins book The Anatomy of

>> >an Illness. Norman holed himself up in a hotel room and rented funny

>> >movies that made him laugh. He understood the importance a positive

>> >attitude had on his system.

>> >

>> >Ethel

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >RTC@... wrote:

>> >>

>> >> From: RTC@...

>> >>

>> >> So Ethel, Do you think that nodules in the lungs are the same? I sure

>> hope so.

>> >> Dr. Chiu are you reading this? My docs are ready to open my lungs up

to

>> see

>> >> if my lung nodules are cancer.

>> >>

>> >> Burlyn, did you find an internet site? Are you as worried as I am? I

go

>> to

>> >> sleep and wake worring,,,not a productive way to be.

>> >> Thank good ness this list is back. I try to read every note, although

>> there

>> >> seems to be too many, but it was far worse without the list.

>> >> Hope everyone is feeling well

>> >>

>> >> CREST 15 yrs, AP 2years.

>> >>

>> >> In a message dated 2/2/99 11:42:49 PM Eastern Standard Time,

>> snooks@...

>> >> writes:

>> >>

>> >> > Dr. Brown talked about nodules on page 149 of The New Arthritis

>> >> > Breakthrough.

>> >> >

>> >> > " The most pronounced and classic symptom of rheumatoid arthritis is

>> the

>> >> > nodule, which appears at the joints as the first external evidence

of

>> >> > arthritic disfigurement. Because this is so widely recognized for

>> what

>> >> > it represents, some victims of the disease are actually relieved

when

>> >> > the first rheumatoid nodule appears; now, at last, the patient has

>> >> > something tangible to take to the doctor. Nodules usually arise at

>> the

>> >> > site of some injury, such as a sprain or bump, and although it is

>> >> > possible to have one or two without necessarily having arthritis,

it

>> is

>> >> > likely that all such nodules are the result of disease activity at

the

>> >> > site.

>> >> >

>> >> > Nodules are unlike malignant lesions that keep on spreading,

however,

>> >> > and they can come and go. Sometimes a patient will detect one on

an

>> >> > elbow or wrist and make an appointment with the doctor, only to

>> discover

>> >> > that the nodule has receded and perhaps even disappeared by the

time

>> the

>> >> > appointment is kept. Or it can vanish in one place and reappear

later

>> >> > in another.

>> >> >

>> >> > The most likely explanation for these nodules is that they contain

>> >> > fibrous tissue that forms in a skein around the small lesions where

>> the

>> >> > mycoplasmas are located. The tissue is a protective response by

the

>> >> > body to contain the infection and keep it from spreading. If the

>> >> > mycoplasma antigen stops coming out for some reason, either because

>> the

>> >> > body's defense puts it down for a while or a medicine suppresses

it,

>> >> > then the scar tissue surrounding the germ is no longer needed and

the

>> >> > nodule goes away. The process by which this occurs is one of

natural

>> >> > attrition; cells are periodically replaced, and if the cause for

>> defense

>> >> > is no longer there, the body will remove the old cells without

sending

>> >> > in new ones. "

>> >> > bforwh wrote:

>> >> > >

>> >> > > Hello

>> >> > > I need some info on the nodules as well does anyone have any info

>> about

>> >> > > nodules on the lungs or know of a site where I might learn more

>> about

>> >> them

>> >> > > any info appreciated .

>> >> > >

>> Burlyne

>> >>

>>

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Rene Cassie was 90 when she died from complications suffered after being

operated on a week earlier for a broken hip.

Mexico plays host to a lot of people running medical scams, but there

are also very legitimate, successful treatments offered there. The

problem is some people don't do their research and end up going to the

quacks.

In Steve McQueen's case, I've heard he neglected to follow directions.

Diet plays a vital part in any therapy as it strengthens the immune

system. It seems that once that immune system is impaired, a weakness

remains making it important to live a healthy lifestyle for the rest of

your life.

I remember a young man from Houston who was dying from cancer that came

to Plano to be treated by a doctor who specialized in treating these

cases with diet, supplements and herbs. The doctor put him in remission

and sent him home with the warning he had to eat correctly and take

necessary supplements. This man was a junk food addict.

He resumed his former eating habits (father of a child) ignoring all the

warnings and the cancer returned with vengence. Back he came again for

treatment - 24 hours around the clock - but this time he didn't make.

His wife was pregnant with the second child when he died.

I met this man's mother when I spoke to the local scleroderma support

group at a local hospital. She had scleroderma. I tried to get her on

the AP but she informed me she was doing very well but would consider it

when she " developed disturbing symptoms. " Overnight she developed lung

problems that put her in the hospital. She called me from her hospital

bed, barely able to speak, now ready for the AP, but it was too late.

Ethel

Briarwood wrote:

>

> From: " Briarwood " <briarwood@...>

>

> Ethel you don't hear about it anymore. I remember when Steve McQueen had

> cancer and was going to Mexico for treatment people were arguing about it

> and some saying it was a sham. I believe Cassie died of cancer, I can't

> remember tho. Maybe someone knows. Cancer is as big a money maker as RA

> and we all pay the price for the greed. I wonder if it is available. The

> government in Canada is so slow to approve drugs and are scared of

> alternative medicine so this lady would sure have had a fight on her hands.

> The pharmaceutical companies are strong lobbyists. Just look at the price

> of our meds. Shameful.

>

> Bev

> rheumatic Re: nodules

> >>

> >> >From: Snooks <snooks@...>

> >> >

> >> >, I would think that could be a possibility, but there may be other

> >> >reasons for them as well. Have you checked this out with Dr. Whitman?

> >> >

> >> >You cannot live in fear. What was it Job said? " For the thing I

> >> >greatly feared has come upon me. And what I dreaded has happened to

> >> >me. "

> >> >

> >> >I've been where you are and I have no guarantee what may come in the

> >> >future, but cancer doesn't hold the fear for me it once did. I'll never

> >> >forget the day (1994) Dr. Duvall put his arm around my shoulder and

> >> >said, " Ethel, I hate to tell you this, but you have acute leukemia. " *

> >> >

> >> >I knew something was wrong. It had been over a week since the blood

> >> >work and biopsy and he was evading me. Dr. Duvall wanted to be sure

> >> >before talking to me so he asked me to be at the University hospital at

> >> >8 AM that morning. He said there would be about 20 doctors with years

> >> >of experience gathering for a meeting and he wanted them to look at me.

> >> >Things just weren't looking good so my husband went with me. The

> >> >pathlogist also came to the meeting. One by one those doctors came into

> >> >my room, looked me over good, questioned me and walked out. Then I was

> >> >left alone for about 20 minutes after which Dr. Duvall and the

> >> >pathologist came in and requested we follow them back to Dr. Duvall's

> >> >office which was in the building next to the hospital where he

> >> >practiced. They were going to take a third biopsy. It was then I heard

> >> >the news.

> >> >

> >> >I was stunned. I walked out of the office and told my husband. He took

> >> >my hand and we walked in silence to the car.

> >> >

> >> >With that diagnosis, I didn't have long. We left that office and went

> >> >straight to a health food store where just a few weeks earlier I heard

> >> >them discussing a cancer therapy from Canada using diet, supplements and

> >> >herbs - an old Indian remedy. I started taking the herbs immediately

> >> >and in just over a month everything cleared up. I still take a

> >> >maintenance dose off and on. My husband had surgery for stomach cancer

> >> >in 1986. He takes the herbals and supplements regularly.

> >> >

> >> >At this same time, I had a friend with breast cancer metastasized to the

> >> >bone. We both had the same oncologist. She immediately started the

> >> >diet, supplements and herbs and is now in remission. Then there were

> >> >the two women here in Dallas in their late 30's with breast cancer. The

> >> >one, daughter of a dentist and sister of a pediatrician, had both

> >> >breasts removed and now the cancer was back. A friend had heard me

> >> >speak at one of the country clubs here and she came to see me. Today

> >> >she is free of cancer.

> >> >

> >> >The other woman was a lab technician at the local hospital. Her

> >> >husband's business partner had heard me speak at that same club. She

> >> >said over the years she watched cancer patients returning to the

> >> >hospital for more toxic therapies. Everytime they came they looked

> >> >worse until finally they died. She knew cut, burn and poison was not

> >> >the way for her. That woman too is free of cancer.

> >> >

> >> >The families of both of these women thought at the time they were out of

> >> >their minds not to follow conventional therapy.

> >> >

> >> >My sister, a nurse, was so impressed she told their lawyer about the

> >> >therapy. His wife was dying with an ovarian type cancer. Ellen

> >> >made up the herbs, laid out a diet and supplements and personally

> >> >supervised this woman's recovery. That was in 1994. I've lost count of

> >> >the number of people who have been helped by this therapy. I've also

> >> >seen it work for melanoma and cancer of the brain, lungs, pancreas, and

> >> >liver. Several friends have found it effective for allergies and

> >> >asthma.

> >> >

> >> >The information I've learned about cancer and the various effective

> >> >alternative therapies used to treat it is absolutely amazing. I've also

> >> >learned:

> >> >1. How powerful diet is in maintaining and regaining health.

> >> >2. The importance of keeping the colon clean daily.

> >> >3. The body's many needs for water.

> >> >4. The importance of adequate supplements including antioxidents.

> >> >5. The role of exercise in maintaining health.

> >> >

> >> >I can't control environmental pollutants that are in the very air we

> >> >breathe, but I do follow the above 5 guidelines.

> >> >

> >> >Scleroderma can be just as nasty as cancer. Instead of worrying and

> >> >fearing the worst, put your energy into doing all you can to get better.

> >> >Keep a positive attitude.

> >> >

> >> > just asked if anyone had read Norman Cousins book The Anatomy of

> >> >an Illness. Norman holed himself up in a hotel room and rented funny

> >> >movies that made him laugh. He understood the importance a positive

> >> >attitude had on his system.

> >> >

> >> >Ethel

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >RTC@... wrote:

> >> >>

> >> >> From: RTC@...

> >> >>

> >> >> So Ethel, Do you think that nodules in the lungs are the same? I sure

> >> hope so.

> >> >> Dr. Chiu are you reading this? My docs are ready to open my lungs up

> to

> >> see

> >> >> if my lung nodules are cancer.

> >> >>

> >> >> Burlyn, did you find an internet site? Are you as worried as I am? I

> go

> >> to

> >> >> sleep and wake worring,,,not a productive way to be.

> >> >> Thank good ness this list is back. I try to read every note, although

> >> there

> >> >> seems to be too many, but it was far worse without the list.

> >> >> Hope everyone is feeling well

> >> >>

> >> >> CREST 15 yrs, AP 2years.

> >> >>

> >> >> In a message dated 2/2/99 11:42:49 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> >> snooks@...

> >> >> writes:

> >> >>

> >> >> > Dr. Brown talked about nodules on page 149 of The New Arthritis

> >> >> > Breakthrough.

> >> >> >

> >> >> > " The most pronounced and classic symptom of rheumatoid arthritis is

> >> the

> >> >> > nodule, which appears at the joints as the first external evidence

> of

> >> >> > arthritic disfigurement. Because this is so widely recognized for

> >> what

> >> >> > it represents, some victims of the disease are actually relieved

> when

> >> >> > the first rheumatoid nodule appears; now, at last, the patient has

> >> >> > something tangible to take to the doctor. Nodules usually arise at

> >> the

> >> >> > site of some injury, such as a sprain or bump, and although it is

> >> >> > possible to have one or two without necessarily having arthritis,

> it

> >> is

> >> >> > likely that all such nodules are the result of disease activity at

> the

> >> >> > site.

> >> >> >

> >> >> > Nodules are unlike malignant lesions that keep on spreading,

> however,

> >> >> > and they can come and go. Sometimes a patient will detect one on

> an

> >> >> > elbow or wrist and make an appointment with the doctor, only to

> >> discover

> >> >> > that the nodule has receded and perhaps even disappeared by the

> time

> >> the

> >> >> > appointment is kept. Or it can vanish in one place and reappear

> later

> >> >> > in another.

> >> >> >

> >> >> > The most likely explanation for these nodules is that they contain

> >> >> > fibrous tissue that forms in a skein around the small lesions where

> >> the

> >> >> > mycoplasmas are located. The tissue is a protective response by

> the

> >> >> > body to contain the infection and keep it from spreading. If the

> >> >> > mycoplasma antigen stops coming out for some reason, either because

> >> the

> >> >> > body's defense puts it down for a while or a medicine suppresses

> it,

> >> >> > then the scar tissue surrounding the germ is no longer needed and

> the

> >> >> > nodule goes away. The process by which this occurs is one of

> natural

> >> >> > attrition; cells are periodically replaced, and if the cause for

> >> defense

> >> >> > is no longer there, the body will remove the old cells without

> sending

> >> >> > in new ones. "

> >> >> > bforwh wrote:

> >> >> > >

> >> >> > > Hello

> >> >> > > I need some info on the nodules as well does anyone have any info

> >> about

> >> >> > > nodules on the lungs or know of a site where I might learn more

> >> about

> >> >> them

> >> >> > > any info appreciated .

> >> >> > >

> >> Burlyne

> >> >>

> >>

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Thank you for the clarification Ethel.

Bev

rheumatic Re: nodules

>> >>

>> >> >From: Snooks <snooks@...>

>> >> >

>> >> >, I would think that could be a possibility, but there may be

other

>> >> >reasons for them as well. Have you checked this out with Dr.

Whitman?

>> >> >

>> >> >You cannot live in fear. What was it Job said? " For the thing I

>> >> >greatly feared has come upon me. And what I dreaded has happened to

>> >> >me. "

>> >> >

>> >> >I've been where you are and I have no guarantee what may come in the

>> >> >future, but cancer doesn't hold the fear for me it once did. I'll

never

>> >> >forget the day (1994) Dr. Duvall put his arm around my shoulder and

>> >> >said, " Ethel, I hate to tell you this, but you have acute

leukemia. " *

>> >> >

>> >> >I knew something was wrong. It had been over a week since the blood

>> >> >work and biopsy and he was evading me. Dr. Duvall wanted to be sure

>> >> >before talking to me so he asked me to be at the University hospital

at

>> >> >8 AM that morning. He said there would be about 20 doctors with

years

>> >> >of experience gathering for a meeting and he wanted them to look at

me.

>> >> >Things just weren't looking good so my husband went with me. The

>> >> >pathlogist also came to the meeting. One by one those doctors came

into

>> >> >my room, looked me over good, questioned me and walked out. Then I

was

>> >> >left alone for about 20 minutes after which Dr. Duvall and the

>> >> >pathologist came in and requested we follow them back to Dr. Duvall's

>> >> >office which was in the building next to the hospital where he

>> >> >practiced. They were going to take a third biopsy. It was then I

heard

>> >> >the news.

>> >> >

>> >> >I was stunned. I walked out of the office and told my husband. He

took

>> >> >my hand and we walked in silence to the car.

>> >> >

>> >> >With that diagnosis, I didn't have long. We left that office and

went

>> >> >straight to a health food store where just a few weeks earlier I

heard

>> >> >them discussing a cancer therapy from Canada using diet, supplements

and

>> >> >herbs - an old Indian remedy. I started taking the herbs immediately

>> >> >and in just over a month everything cleared up. I still take a

>> >> >maintenance dose off and on. My husband had surgery for stomach

cancer

>> >> >in 1986. He takes the herbals and supplements regularly.

>> >> >

>> >> >At this same time, I had a friend with breast cancer metastasized to

the

>> >> >bone. We both had the same oncologist. She immediately started the

>> >> >diet, supplements and herbs and is now in remission. Then there were

>> >> >the two women here in Dallas in their late 30's with breast cancer.

The

>> >> >one, daughter of a dentist and sister of a pediatrician, had both

>> >> >breasts removed and now the cancer was back. A friend had heard me

>> >> >speak at one of the country clubs here and she came to see me. Today

>> >> >she is free of cancer.

>> >> >

>> >> >The other woman was a lab technician at the local hospital. Her

>> >> >husband's business partner had heard me speak at that same club. She

>> >> >said over the years she watched cancer patients returning to the

>> >> >hospital for more toxic therapies. Everytime they came they looked

>> >> >worse until finally they died. She knew cut, burn and poison was not

>> >> >the way for her. That woman too is free of cancer.

>> >> >

>> >> >The families of both of these women thought at the time they were out

of

>> >> >their minds not to follow conventional therapy.

>> >> >

>> >> >My sister, a nurse, was so impressed she told their lawyer about the

>> >> >therapy. His wife was dying with an ovarian type cancer. Ellen

>> >> >made up the herbs, laid out a diet and supplements and personally

>> >> >supervised this woman's recovery. That was in 1994. I've lost count

of

>> >> >the number of people who have been helped by this therapy. I've also

>> >> >seen it work for melanoma and cancer of the brain, lungs, pancreas,

and

>> >> >liver. Several friends have found it effective for allergies and

>> >> >asthma.

>> >> >

>> >> >The information I've learned about cancer and the various effective

>> >> >alternative therapies used to treat it is absolutely amazing. I've

also

>> >> >learned:

>> >> >1. How powerful diet is in maintaining and regaining health.

>> >> >2. The importance of keeping the colon clean daily.

>> >> >3. The body's many needs for water.

>> >> >4. The importance of adequate supplements including antioxidents.

>> >> >5. The role of exercise in maintaining health.

>> >> >

>> >> >I can't control environmental pollutants that are in the very air we

>> >> >breathe, but I do follow the above 5 guidelines.

>> >> >

>> >> >Scleroderma can be just as nasty as cancer. Instead of worrying and

>> >> >fearing the worst, put your energy into doing all you can to get

better.

>> >> >Keep a positive attitude.

>> >> >

>> >> > just asked if anyone had read Norman Cousins book The Anatomy

of

>> >> >an Illness. Norman holed himself up in a hotel room and rented funny

>> >> >movies that made him laugh. He understood the importance a positive

>> >> >attitude had on his system.

>> >> >

>> >> >Ethel

>> >> >

>> >> >

>> >> >

>> >> >

>> >> >

>> >> >RTC@... wrote:

>> >> >>

>> >> >> From: RTC@...

>> >> >>

>> >> >> So Ethel, Do you think that nodules in the lungs are the same? I

sure

>> >> hope so.

>> >> >> Dr. Chiu are you reading this? My docs are ready to open my lungs

up

>> to

>> >> see

>> >> >> if my lung nodules are cancer.

>> >> >>

>> >> >> Burlyn, did you find an internet site? Are you as worried as I am?

I

>> go

>> >> to

>> >> >> sleep and wake worring,,,not a productive way to be.

>> >> >> Thank good ness this list is back. I try to read every note,

although

>> >> there

>> >> >> seems to be too many, but it was far worse without the list.

>> >> >> Hope everyone is feeling well

>> >> >>

>> >> >> CREST 15 yrs, AP 2years.

>> >> >>

>> >> >> In a message dated 2/2/99 11:42:49 PM Eastern Standard Time,

>> >> snooks@...

>> >> >> writes:

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > Dr. Brown talked about nodules on page 149 of The New Arthritis

>> >> >> > Breakthrough.

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> > " The most pronounced and classic symptom of rheumatoid arthritis

is

>> >> the

>> >> >> > nodule, which appears at the joints as the first external

evidence

>> of

>> >> >> > arthritic disfigurement. Because this is so widely recognized

for

>> >> what

>> >> >> > it represents, some victims of the disease are actually relieved

>> when

>> >> >> > the first rheumatoid nodule appears; now, at last, the patient

has

>> >> >> > something tangible to take to the doctor. Nodules usually arise

at

>> >> the

>> >> >> > site of some injury, such as a sprain or bump, and although it

is

>> >> >> > possible to have one or two without necessarily having

arthritis,

>> it

>> >> is

>> >> >> > likely that all such nodules are the result of disease activity

at

>> the

>> >> >> > site.

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> > Nodules are unlike malignant lesions that keep on spreading,

>> however,

>> >> >> > and they can come and go. Sometimes a patient will detect one

on

>> an

>> >> >> > elbow or wrist and make an appointment with the doctor, only to

>> >> discover

>> >> >> > that the nodule has receded and perhaps even disappeared by the

>> time

>> >> the

>> >> >> > appointment is kept. Or it can vanish in one place and reappear

>> later

>> >> >> > in another.

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> > The most likely explanation for these nodules is that they

contain

>> >> >> > fibrous tissue that forms in a skein around the small lesions

where

>> >> the

>> >> >> > mycoplasmas are located. The tissue is a protective response by

>> the

>> >> >> > body to contain the infection and keep it from spreading. If

the

>> >> >> > mycoplasma antigen stops coming out for some reason, either

because

>> >> the

>> >> >> > body's defense puts it down for a while or a medicine suppresses

>> it,

>> >> >> > then the scar tissue surrounding the germ is no longer needed

and

>> the

>> >> >> > nodule goes away. The process by which this occurs is one of

>> natural

>> >> >> > attrition; cells are periodically replaced, and if the cause for

>> >> defense

>> >> >> > is no longer there, the body will remove the old cells without

>> sending

>> >> >> > in new ones. "

>> >> >> > bforwh wrote:

>> >> >> > >

>> >> >> > > Hello

>> >> >> > > I need some info on the nodules as well does anyone have any

info

>> >> about

>> >> >> > > nodules on the lungs or know of a site where I might learn

more

>> >> about

>> >> >> them

>> >> >> > > any info appreciated .

>> >> >> > >

>> >> Burlyne

>> >> >>

>> >>

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Sue,

Welcome. This is a great group of people. The support here is like no

other. I don't blame you for worrying about the nodules. I'm lucky and have

never had any. As a former smoker I understand worrying about unwanted

lasting results, but I figure what's going to happen is going to happen and

worrying about it isn't going to change it. Again, welcome. Tery - FL

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Welcome, Sue!

Yes, rheumatoid nodules can form internally:

" Another fairly common lung problem with rheumatoid arthritis is the

formation of rheumatoid nodules in the lung. In one study, 77 people with RA

were evaluated by high resolution CT scan of the chest, 17 of them were

found to have some degree of nodules present in the lungs. Again, these can

present without causing any symptoms. "

Source:

http://www.arthritisinsight.com/medical/disease/ra/notjustthejoints.html

I'm 41, undiagnosed for four years, and never smoked. A little over a year

ago, I had a chest x-ray that showed a spot in one lobe which the

radiologist called a calcified granuloma. So far, nobody can really explain

why it's there, but it could even be leftover from a fungal infection said

one doctor who looked over the report.

I can understand your worry, but try not to. When will you get the results

of your CT scan?

Glad you found us.

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From: " Sue Tupa " <TwoTupas@...>

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Sent: Monday, January 01, 2001 12:24 PM

Subject: [ ] Nodules

> Had a routine physical - x-ray showed nodule on the lung - had a

> CTScan immediately because I insisted - they wanted me to wait until

> the 25th!!!!. Had the scan on Friday so now I wait. My

> rheumatologist said that nodules are a dime a dozen with RA but I am

> a former smoker so am running alot scared - has anybody had arthritic

> nodules internally - thanks and Happy New Year - I have just found

> this Board - Sue

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Sue,

Of course you are afraid - anyone would be. Good for you by insisting on

the CT scan sooner. It is better to get it done quickly so your mind will

be set at ease.

Your doctor is correct - nodules are a dime a dozen in RA patients. I have

had one on my elbow, two on the breast and one in the spine. They were all

removed and none were malignant. If you have one in the lung, removing it

would probably not be an option unless they thought it looked cancerous.

When they read the CT results, they can usually determine if cancer could

be present. After the CT they may recommend an MRI if they are not certain

and they are very accurate in determining if a growth is cancerous by the

shades and shapes on the MRI films.

Once they have done a CT scan they will have a good comparison to monitor

any change in the size of the nodule. It is possible for RA to attack the

heart and lungs - I have scars on both which my doctors have determined are

because the RA has attempted to strike the heart and lungs. That is one of

the things that sets RA apart from OA - it can affect the internal organs.

My guess is, your doctor is correct and it is just a nodule from the RA but

you are going to be worried until you have the CT results - and we are here

to worry along with you.

Welcome to the group - I am so glad you found us. People in this group are

compassionate, caring and loving as well as being full of experience and

information. If you have any questions, please feel free to ask the group.

Please let us know when you get the CT results back.

Pat

..At 06:24 PM 01/01/2001 +0000, you wrote:

>Had a routine physical - x-ray showed nodule on the lung - had a

>CTScan immediately because I insisted - they wanted me to wait until

>the 25th!!!!. Had the scan on Friday so now I wait. My

>rheumatologist said that nodules are a dime a dozen with RA but I am

>a former smoker so am running alot scared - has anybody had arthritic

>nodules internally - thanks and Happy New Year - I have just found

>this Board - Sue

>

>

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Welcome Sue. Pat, and Tery summed these nodules up quite well. I just

wanted to add that I've had several nodules removed and they were all just

RA nodules. I've been very lucky that none of them were on my heart or

lungs. As another former smoker, I understand your fears, but try to have

faith that it is an RA nodule. I had one removed off the top of my foot

that the doctor really thought was cancerous. None were and after they

were removed, they didn't grow back. I still have a few more that could be

removed, but I'm waiting until they bother me more. You have many very

caring people worrying here with you, so please don't feel alone.

a

----- Original Message -----

From: Sue Tupa <TwoTupas@...>

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Sent: Monday, January 01, 2001 1:24 PM

Subject: [ ] Nodules

> Had a routine physical - x-ray showed nodule on the lung - had a

> CTScan immediately because I insisted - they wanted me to wait until

> the 25th!!!!. Had the scan on Friday so now I wait. My

> rheumatologist said that nodules are a dime a dozen with RA but I am

> a former smoker so am running alot scared - has anybody had arthritic

> nodules internally - thanks and Happy New Year - I have just found

> this Board - Sue

>

>

> Our websites: http://rheumatoid.arthritis.freehosting.net/

> http://www.rasupport.webprovider.com/

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Sue,

has many of those on his lungs and on his wind pipe. When they did the

lung byopsy they said that they weren't anything to worry about at that time

but to have chest xrays on a regular basis to make sure they weren't growing

and if they did grow then they would go in and remove them. at this time he

is about the same as he was 6 years ago.

hope this helps,

shelly and jesse

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Hi everyone, Thanks for the info. Pictures I've seen on the internet show them

to be large, so I wasn't sure if the pea-size lump on my left elbow was a nodule

or not. My last doc's visit he was poking at it, but I didn't think of asking

him if it was or not and I don't see him again until August.

nne

[ ] Nodules

Hi nne, yes they can be as small as a pea and they can also be the size of

a golf ball. I have had many taken off my elbows but unfortunately they do come

back. Unless they are painful(mine never are) the only reason to have them

removed is for cosmetic reasons and it is and in and out operation. Hope this

helps.

Hugs

June

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Hi June,

Hope you are feeling well. Can you tell me more about these nodules? I am

not sure what I have but I do think it is one of these nodules. It is not that

large but has become painful. It is on my finger and now I can look at my

finger and see it. I was waiting to ask the my Rheumy about it when I see him

this

month.

Thank you,

Lynn (MeMom)

june dixon wrote:

> Hi nne, yes they can be as small as a pea and they can also be the size

of a golf ball. I have had many taken off my elbows but unfortunately they do

come back. Unless they are painful(mine never are) the only reason to have them

removed is for cosmetic reasons and it is and in and out operation. Hope this

helps.

>

> Hugs

> June

>

>

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I have had nodules removed from my ankles and around my Achilles tendon

several times.

They normally don¹t hurt, but mine were rubbing when I wore shoes. Now I

have a new

one that popped up right in the arch of my foot. My doctor wanted to

inject it, but I¹ve tried that

in the past and it was unsuccessful. I¹d rather just go have it removed if

it gets any bigger.

Here¹s a good article on nodules:

http://www.uws.edu.au/exhs/Podiatry/rheumato.htm

a

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Hi a,

What I have on my finger is bothering me. I can't wear my ring because it

hurts. I guess it is a nodule. I will see what the Rheumy says, always

something. I went to therapy today to be re-evaluated. The therapist is not

happy, he expect some improvement. So he wants to talk to the doctor. So I am

scheduled for five more water therapist and than back to the therapist to see

what the doctor says. My feeling is I would be better off if this was left

alone. It seems so much more painful with all they are doing. But I don't

want to make wc angry that I am not getting treatment. The therapist did tell

me, he doesn't think I am a good candidate for land therapy. Well at least I

get into a warm pool which is nice with the RA. Isn't our weather terrible.

Today it is so humid and I always think that makes the RA worse. Hope you and

are feeling good.

Lynn (MeMom)

a wrote:

> I have had nodules removed from my ankles and around my Achilles tendon

> several times.

> They normally don¹t hurt, but mine were rubbing when I wore shoes. Now I

> have a new

> one that popped up right in the arch of my foot. My doctor wanted to

> inject it, but I¹ve tried that

> in the past and it was unsuccessful. I¹d rather just go have it removed if

> it gets any bigger.

>

> Here¹s a good article on nodules:

>

> http://www.uws.edu.au/exhs/Podiatry/rheumato.htm

>

> a

>

>

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Lynn,

You should have your doctor look at it. It may be in a place that is

constantly aggravated.

Sorry the water therapy is not helping your neck. Maybe it will make

everything else feel better.

WC can¹t get mad for your condition being aggravated by the therapy.

Besides, they are already

mad enough since you WON! I just don¹t want to see you do anything to hurt

yourself.

This weather is outrageous. So will my electric bill with the air running

constantly, but

we¹d die without it. I hope you¹re staying cool.

When do you go back to your doctor? Let us know what he says about the

nodule.

Hugs,

a

> Hi a,

> What I have on my finger is bothering me. I can't wear my ring because it

> hurts. I guess it is a nodule. I will see what the Rheumy says, always

> something. I went to therapy today to be re-evaluated. The therapist is not

> happy, he expect some improvement. So he wants to talk to the doctor. So I

> am

> scheduled for five more water therapist and than back to the therapist to see

> what the doctor says. My feeling is I would be better off if this was left

> alone. It seems so much more painful with all they are doing. But I don't

> want to make wc angry that I am not getting treatment. The therapist did tell

> me, he doesn't think I am a good candidate for land therapy. Well at least I

> get into a warm pool which is nice with the RA. Isn't our weather terrible.

> Today it is so humid and I always think that makes the RA worse. Hope you and

> are feeling good.

> Lynn (MeMom)

>

> a wrote:

>

>> > I have had nodules removed from my ankles and around my Achilles tendon

>> > several times.

>> > They normally don¹t hurt, but mine were rubbing when I wore shoes. Now I

>> > have a new

>> > one that popped up right in the arch of my foot. My doctor wanted to

>> > inject it, but I¹ve tried that

>> > in the past and it was unsuccessful. I¹d rather just go have it removed if

>> > it gets any bigger.

>> >

>> > Here¹s a good article on nodules:

>> >

>> > http://www.uws.edu.au/exhs/Podiatry/rheumato.htm

>> >

>> > a

>> >

>> >

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