Guest guest Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 yeah.. states have taken kidsaway from parents who refuse chemo. Re: Dateline Chemotherapy is toxic but it is standard practice for cancer. Parents aren't critized for having their kids take chemo for cancer. We are trying to help our children with chelation but that isn't how we are portrayed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 I think it was great, laid it out as thoroughly as I've seen on tv. I also didn't like the statement that all vaccines are hg-free for under 2 yrs old. Isn't it still trace amounts in some? Debi > > This was a much better report than we could have expected. Japan, Pink Disease, Methyl > vs Ethyl, hotly contested medical debate, etc. We have to appreciate the fact it was > mentioned. The story of the child death was a low blow and was unethical without > explanation. We are used to this a can expect more. We need to tell her > story. Millions of kids and families could benefit from it. This long battle will consist of > winning hearts and minds one person at a time. Don't expect a organization like NBC that > receives 1/3 of its' revenues from pharma advertising to bite the hand that feeds them. > This is about as good as it gets for us on network TV media. Keep working at it with other > media, blogs and grass roots and we will convince the masses over time. > > Mike > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 I am still amazed that the chelation stories aired at all. If you look at all of the other stories which were presented on Dateline tonight, most of them had to do with counterfeit pharmaceutical drugs, and had the pharma companies looking good in trying to stop this illegal traffic. It was an interesting program tonight... Aasaahs10402 <allprint@...> wrote: This was a much better report than we could have expected. Japan, Pink Disease, Methyl vs Ethyl, hotly contested medical debate, etc. We have to appreciate the fact it was mentioned. The story of the child death was a low blow and was unethical without explanation. We are used to this a can expect more. We need to tell her story. Millions of kids and families could benefit from it. This long battle will consist of winning hearts and minds one person at a time. Don't expect a organization like NBC that receives 1/3 of its' revenues from pharma advertising to bite the hand that feeds them. This is about as good as it gets for us on network TV media. Keep working at it with other media, blogs and grass roots and we will convince the masses over time. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 The program is subversive, although it may not seem so obvious on the surface. If I had an autistic child and was hearing about mercury and chelation for the first time from this report, I would be rushing to find out more about it. This will result in who knows how many children become recovered or improved as a result of seeing this news. It was good that the CDC and the AAP were given plenty of room to dismiss it -- but their denials were based solely on " trust us " assurances and little else. All the CDC " research " is self-serving junk science and Dateline gate it the proper weight in passing mention. Kudos to NBC Dateline and the s, for being heros once again. As for worry over pharma: they are not one big monolith entity that all have the same interest. Only a very small number of pharmacuetical companies are implicated in the mercury-damage epidemics now upon us. (The real evil-doers, in my opinion, are the CDC and other public health agencies and the AAP for their criminal coverup. The pharmacuetical companies involved are no doubt negligent, though.) Lenny > > This was a much better report than we could have expected. Japan, Pink Disease, Methyl > vs Ethyl, hotly contested medical debate, etc. We have to appreciate the fact it was > mentioned. The story of the child death was a low blow and was unethical without > explanation. We are used to this a can expect more. We need to tell her > story. Millions of kids and families could benefit from it. This long battle will consist of > winning hearts and minds one person at a time. Don't expect a organization like NBC that > receives 1/3 of its' revenues from pharma advertising to bite the hand that feeds them. > This is about as good as it gets for us on network TV media. Keep working at it with other > media, blogs and grass roots and we will convince the masses over time. > > Mike > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 I'm surprised it aired too. I just watched the tape, again, with my friend. For me the part that hit me the most was when they said how Jim ' daughter didn't respond to chelation. That is so sad. Here is this guy working so hard to help all these children with autism and he can't even recover his own child. He is just so impressive. Did you all catch when he was sitting in bed with his daughter and she was reading a book- she said " thanks for reading with me " ? That was so simple- and powerful at the same time. I think we only " get " that. Most parents who don't know anyone with autism wouldn't even notice that. For those of you who missed it.... I wrote down some quick things I saw Here are some images shown in the video: People sick from mercury in fish in Japan children with Pink Disease the bottle of teething powder that had mercury in it recovered children at DAN children with autism and their parents in doctors offices a mother getting a test kit from Jim a baby getting a shot people protesting in DC baxter putting drops on his arms homemovie footage of children before and after jim's daughter getting on the school bus jim and his daughter reading in bed jim's daughter getting her hair braided a picture schedule pecs symbols being used pictures of jim's daughter standing on furniture a headline of a child dying while going thru chelation (argh) facts talked about: autism is 1 in 175 growing problem children with autism memorize videos they like repetition and ritual change in routines can upset her jim's daughter needs help brushing teeth or making bed she has special diets, special teachers, special classes.... little eye contact tantrums, punched holes in walls what the different types of mercury is defined Pink disease- social withdrawal and lack of language teething power We think it's a combo of genetics and decreased ability to excrete mecury.... " one of the most hotly contested and policially charged medical debates of our time " vaccines fought back many diseases showed ingrediants of shots (thimerosal on labels) in high doses can do damage (explained this) amount grew over the years 1999- congress asked pharm to take mercury out growing body of evidence radical new treatment thousands of parents have tried chelation most parents give children mild, oral medication or cream explains what chelation does parents report children are talking and expressing themselves after chelation " from almost complete withdrawal " to interacting with their families again must look at thimerosal Jim designs study of chelation that will answer many questions No one else has done this study (why??????) Study of 23,000 families say Chelation has helped the most Chelation didn't help Jim's daughter " what ever way it turns out we'll report it " says Jim " we'll have the results first on dateline " says Stone Other Images and facts; CDC--- 2 reports that show no " causal relationship " of thimerosal and, a, autism (she stutters when saying this) most doctors don't buy the stories of recovery " usefullness is NULL " says one dr. led to one death (reports same dr) chelation therapy is potentially toxic (dr. optinion) effects liver and kidneys some children " JUST OUTGROW " problem or have a lot of ABA So- even though we don't all agree with what the CDC or that doctor says- there is still a lot of good information given. Many images, stories, etc. that I think make up for the 20% of " them " (for lack of a better word). I agree with and think they should definately do another story about the specific recovery stories- show the medical proof.... Did it play on the West coast yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 They are fighting based on a safe exposure level for ethylmercury that DOES NOT exist. Re: Dateline Excellent point about the chemotherapy. And the AAP is fighting legislation to ban thimerosal. And Thimerosal is toxic. It says so on the label and the Material Safety Data Sheet. Typical AAP BS.> I agree the dateline piece was as good as we can expect.> > "The chelation piece was very good except for one thing...they> mentioned the child that died during chelation and did not mention> that the EDTA that was administered was not what was prescribed. I> consider that a major omission."> > However, this was not a "major omission". It was a deliberate "deception" by Dr. Jay Berklehiemer of the American Academy of Pediatricians, who obviously knew this child died because he was unintentionally administered the wrong chelation drug by a medical professional who made a human error. We should be encouraged the spokesman for the AAP must rely upon deception in order to make his case appear more credible.> > It was sad listening to Dr. Berklehiemer defend thimerosal while warning viewers chelation theraphy was "potentially toxic".> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 : THANK YOU! I missed it - arghhhhh - kids and televisions here, but I really appreciate your " condensed version " ! Sally > > I'm surprised it aired too. > > I just watched the tape, again, with my friend. > > For me the part that hit me the most was when they said how Jim ' > daughter didn't respond to chelation. That is so sad. Here is this guy > working so hard to help all these children with autism and he can't even > recover his own child. He is just so impressive. Did you all catch when he > was sitting in bed with his daughter and she was reading a book- she said > " thanks for reading with me " ? That was so simple- and powerful at the same > time. I think we only " get " that. Most parents who don't know anyone with > autism wouldn't even notice that. > > For those of you who missed it.... I wrote down some quick things I saw > > Here are some images shown in the video: > > People sick from mercury in fish in Japan > children with Pink Disease > the bottle of teething powder that had mercury in it > recovered children at DAN > children with autism and their parents in doctors offices > a mother getting a test kit from Jim > a baby getting a shot > people protesting in DC > baxter putting drops on his arms > homemovie footage of children before and after > jim's daughter getting on the school bus > jim and his daughter reading in bed > jim's daughter getting her hair braided > a picture schedule > pecs symbols being used > pictures of jim's daughter standing on furniture > a headline of a child dying while going thru chelation (argh) > > facts talked about: > autism is 1 in 175 > growing problem > children with autism memorize videos > they like repetition and ritual > change in routines can upset her > jim's daughter needs help brushing teeth or making bed > she has special diets, special teachers, special classes.... > little eye contact tantrums, punched holes in walls > what the different types of mercury is > defined Pink disease- social withdrawal and lack of language > teething power > We think it's a combo of genetics and decreased ability to excrete > mecury.... > " one of the most hotly contested and policially charged medical debates of > our time " > vaccines fought back many diseases > showed ingrediants of shots (thimerosal on labels) > in high doses can do damage (explained this) > amount grew over the years > 1999- congress asked pharm to take mercury out > growing body of evidence > radical new treatment > thousands of parents have tried chelation > most parents give children mild, oral medication or cream > explains what chelation does > parents report children are talking and expressing themselves after > chelation > " from almost complete withdrawal " to interacting with their families again > must look at thimerosal > Jim designs study of chelation that will answer many questions > No one else has done this study (why??????) > Study of 23,000 families say Chelation has helped the most > Chelation didn't help Jim's daughter > " what ever way it turns out we'll report it " says Jim > " we'll have the results first on dateline " says Stone > > Other Images and facts; > > CDC--- 2 reports that show no " causal relationship " of thimerosal and, a, > autism (she stutters when saying this) > most doctors don't buy the stories of recovery > " usefullness is NULL " says one dr. > led to one death (reports same dr) > chelation therapy is potentially toxic (dr. optinion) > effects liver and kidneys > some children " JUST OUTGROW " problem or have a lot of ABA > > So- even though we don't all agree with what the CDC or that doctor says- > there is still a lot of good information given. Many images, stories, etc. > that I think make up for the 20% of " them " (for lack of a better word). > > I agree with and think they should definately do another story about > the specific recovery stories- show the medical proof.... > > Did it play on the West coast yet? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 on 6/4/06 11:20 PM, Sally Colletti at rainmanmama@... wrote: > : THANK YOU! I missed it - arghhhhh - kids and > televisions here, but I really appreciate your " condensed version " ! > Sally even better- just got this (btw- click on the link and go to the website- so NBC knows we are interested in this story) http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13102473/ <BLOCKED::http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13102473/> MSNBC.com The unorthodox practice of chelation No one knows for certain what causes autism, but one theory has ignited an intense debate By Larson Correspondent NBC News Updated: 7:41 p.m. ET June 4, 2006 Autism is a mysterious and devastating disorder that is believed to affect as many as 500,000 children in this country. No one knows for certain what causes autism, but one theory ‹ chelation‹ has sparked controversy. Now, Jim wants to put that theory to the test. In a desperate quest for answers, he is using his scientific know-how to test a controversial therapy called " chelation. " And he has a special reason for taking on this mission ‹ his daughter Kim. Kim knows every word, every move, every pause by heart because she has watched this same video thousands of times. Kim , autistic girl: Barney¹s Birthday! Like many diagnosed with autism, she is trapped in a world of repetition and ritual. For example, her father Jim knows his daughter will want two braids because it is Wednesday. Kim insists on wearing two braids and a dress to school every Wednesday. Her need for order is extreme. Even a minute change in routine, like a spot appearing on her father's shirt, can make her world feel frighteningly out of whack. Kim : Daddy¹s shirtŠJim , Kim's father: Oh, daddy¹s shirt is dirty.Kim : Mommy, daddy¹s shirt is dirty.Marie , Kims mother: That¹s okay. At 13 years of age, Kim is still a child who needs help with life's most basic skills. She can't brush her teeth without a list of directions, or make her bed without a series of pictures. Jim : My little girl was diagnosed with autism at age two-and-a-half. We were told it was a lifelong, incurable disorder. There was nothing we could do for her, that it was just a matter of time until we¹d probably have to institutionalize her. It was absolutely crushing. Jim and his wife, Marie immediately ruled out institutionalizing Kim. And although already raising two other children, they began doing everything they could for Kim ‹ special diets, special teachers, special classes. While she appeared normal, Kim couldn't speak, couldn't follow simple instructions, and made little eye contact. Marie : Then as she got older, you know her anger, her tantrums, her aggression ‹ she used to hit, kick, bite. When she was older, she knocked holes in the walls. A professor of chemistry at Arizona State University by day, Jim studied autism at night, learning about brain development and damage, how the brain interacts with vitamins, minerals and metals. He sought out others concerned with the rising number of children being labeled autistic ‹ parents and scientists who also wondered how a condition that was diagnosed in only one in 100,000 children in the 1980s was two decades later diagnosed in as many as one in every 175 American children. He started hearing stories about damage done to people exposed to methyl mercury, the kind found in thermometers and in polluted environments. There was the mercury spill in Japan that led to mercury laden fish and Minimata disease, affecting many who ate the fish. He heard about Pink Disease, also called Acrodynia, a mysterious condition that afflicted children in this country roughly a hundred years ago. The symptoms included social withdrawal and lack of language. The condition disappeared almost overnight when a certain type of teething powder which contained mercury was removed from the market. Jim : There is no doubt that the mercury in the teething powders was what caused Acrodynia, and that symptoms of Acrodynia were pretty similar to symptoms of autism. Larson, Dateline correspondent: What¹s your basic idea here? That mercury causes autism or that somehow makes it worse?Jim : We think that it¹s a combination of a genetic susceptibility leading to a decreased ability to excrete mercury. So that these kids are not necessarily dosed to high levels of mercury, but that simply, they are a small subset of the population that they have unusual genes, that they just can¹t excrete mercury very well.Larson: Jim¹s suspicion that mercury might somehow be connected to the rise in the number of children diagnosed with autism places him near the center of one of the most hotly contested and politically charged medical debates of our time ‹ one that has pitted activist parents against federal health officials and vaccine manufacturers, because mercury in children often comes from vaccines. Vaccines -- those life-saving miracle drugs that have successfully fought back everything from polio, small pox, and diptheria, to measles, mumps and rubella. It began to be phased out a few years ago, but until then, most infant vaccines included something called ethyl mercury in a preservative called thimerasol. Although different from methyl mercury, the kind found in pollution, ethyl mercury in high enough doses, can also damage the nervous system. Jim : Thimerasol was introduced into vaccines before the FDA even existed. It was just grandfathered in. And then as children begain receiving more vaccines in the vaccination schedule, the amount they received kept growing and growing until 1999 when Congress asked the FDA to evaluate the amount of mercury in all the pharmaceutical products. What the Food and Drug Administration discovered was that along with getting more shots, by 1992, children were also getting more mercury. The vaccines undoubtedly were protecting the children from a variety of deadly diseases, but were they also causing autism in some children? In order to answer that question, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention commissioned two reports into the issue, both of which dismissed thimerasol as the problem. Dr. Popovic is the CDC's Associate Director for Science Research. Popovik, CDC Associate Director for Science Research: Top-notch scientists have reviewed everything and anything that is available and have really in their latest report said that they reject causal association of thimerasol in vaccines and autism. The American Academy of Pediatrics and many other scientists also reject the link between vaccines and autism and are concerned the debate over mercury will discourage parents from vaccinating their children. But despite the stance of mainstream science, thousands of parents, and even some scientists, claim there is a growing body of evidence to suggest there might be a connection between mercury and autism. And they point to the benefits of a radical new treatment to help make their case. Berle, mother of autistic child: It saved my child. This mother and thousands of other parents have turned to a process called chelation. Chelation involves ridding the body of metals, including mercury. In its most aggressive form, it is done intravenously, but most parents give their autistic children a milder oral medication, or as in this case, a cream that is absorbed through the skin. The chelation agent binds to the mercury, which is then passed through the system. Originally approved for treating lead poisoning, there are parents who claim chelation has helped cure their children's autism. The parents share stories and home videos of what they describe as their children's recoveries. Some report their children going from agitated repetitive behaviors to simply being calmer and able to focus. >From being unable to use language, to being able to express themselves‹ from almost complete withdrawal, to interacting with their families again. But most doctors aren't buying those stories of near-miraculous recovery. Dr. Jay Berkelhamer, presidnet of American Academy of Pediatrics: The usefulness of chelation therapy in treating autism is nil. Dr. Jay Berkelhamer is the President of the American Academy of Pediatrics. Like most doctors Dateline spoke with, he pointed out the process can be dangerous. Performed intravenously, it even led to one death. Dr. Berkelhamer: Chelation therapy is potentially toxic. The chelation material that are used to remove these metals from the bloodstream can affect the liver and the kidney. The reason most doctors agree with the American Academy of Pediatrics is because they don't believe mercury from vaccines is the problem in the first place. They say some autistic children may just outgrow the problem, or improve from behavioral and other therapies, but that autism isn't cured by removing metals from a child's system. But despite the position of mainstream science on chelation, for Jim and some other scientists, the verdict is still out. Jim : It¹s a very controversial topic. There have been a number of epidemiology studies looking at it, Some showing absolutely no link, some showing a very strong link. It depends, I think, very much on who does the research. I think the most critical issue is looking into thimerasol. So Jim has decided to do just that. Along with Dr. Matt Boral of the Southwest College of Naturopathic Medicine ‹ an accredited school of alternative and integrated medicine ‹ he has designed the first double-blinded, placebo-controlled study of chelation. The mission: to answer the question of whether chelation really works, or whether it's just the wishful thinking of desperate parents. Larson, Dateline correspondent: You¹ve got strong feelings about the connection between mercury and autism. Are you the guy who should be doing this study? Will critics come out and say, ³Well, here, he just proved what his suspicions were?²Jim : I think that if someone else were to do the research, I¹d be thrilled. But the fact is no one else has done it and thousands of families are out there using it. And so, because it¹s pretty much the most highly ranked treatment according to a survey of 23,000 families, I think there¹s a lot of good reason to do it. But he already knows chelation does not work for everyone. Chelation did not help his daughter, Kim, perhaps Jim says because it was done too late. But regardless of why it didn't work, he wants to know if chelation can help any autistic children. After all, he is not just a chemist in search of knowledge, but a father who knows the desire for a cure. Larson: What happens in the end, after all this hard work? If you find that there really is no relation between mercury and autistic behavior. Will you be disappointed?Jim : Disappointed, yes. But whatever way it turns out, we¹ll report it. If it doesn¹t help, we¹ll report it. And if it does, we¹re gonna report that, too. Public health officials stress the need to vaccinate children against known diseases. Today most American children under the age of two years are automatically vaccinated with mercury-free vaccines, and parents can ask their pediatricians about getting thimerasol free vaccines for their older children. Some experts also suggest requesting mercury-free flu shots for pregnant women, infants and children. Jim predicts he'll have the final results of his study by the end of the year, and we'll have them first, here on Dateline. You should know that most children under the age of two are now automatically given mercury-free vaccines, and parents can request those shots for their older children as well. © 2006 MSNBC Interactive URL: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13102473/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 Nice summary... Thanks . I almost forgot. What about the part when that ass clown from the AAP said that chelation was potentially toxic. Well, isn't injecting children with mercury and aluminum " potentially toxic " . My $.02 > > I'm surprised it aired too. > > I just watched the tape, again, with my friend. > > For me the part that hit me the most was when they said how Jim ' > daughter didn't respond to chelation. That is so sad. Here is this guy > working so hard to help all these children with autism and he can't even > recover his own child. He is just so impressive. Did you all catch when he > was sitting in bed with his daughter and she was reading a book- she said > " thanks for reading with me " ? That was so simple- and powerful at the same > time. I think we only " get " that. Most parents who don't know anyone with > autism wouldn't even notice that. > > For those of you who missed it.... I wrote down some quick things I saw > > Here are some images shown in the video: > > People sick from mercury in fish in Japan > children with Pink Disease > the bottle of teething powder that had mercury in it > recovered children at DAN > children with autism and their parents in doctors offices > a mother getting a test kit from Jim > a baby getting a shot > people protesting in DC > baxter putting drops on his arms > homemovie footage of children before and after > jim's daughter getting on the school bus > jim and his daughter reading in bed > jim's daughter getting her hair braided > a picture schedule > pecs symbols being used > pictures of jim's daughter standing on furniture > a headline of a child dying while going thru chelation (argh) > > facts talked about: > autism is 1 in 175 > growing problem > children with autism memorize videos > they like repetition and ritual > change in routines can upset her > jim's daughter needs help brushing teeth or making bed > she has special diets, special teachers, special classes.... > little eye contact tantrums, punched holes in walls > what the different types of mercury is > defined Pink disease- social withdrawal and lack of language > teething power > We think it's a combo of genetics and decreased ability to excrete > mecury.... > " one of the most hotly contested and policially charged medical debates of > our time " > vaccines fought back many diseases > showed ingrediants of shots (thimerosal on labels) > in high doses can do damage (explained this) > amount grew over the years > 1999- congress asked pharm to take mercury out > growing body of evidence > radical new treatment > thousands of parents have tried chelation > most parents give children mild, oral medication or cream > explains what chelation does > parents report children are talking and expressing themselves after > chelation > " from almost complete withdrawal " to interacting with their families again > must look at thimerosal > Jim designs study of chelation that will answer many questions > No one else has done this study (why??????) > Study of 23,000 families say Chelation has helped the most > Chelation didn't help Jim's daughter > " what ever way it turns out we'll report it " says Jim > " we'll have the results first on dateline " says Stone > > Other Images and facts; > > CDC--- 2 reports that show no " causal relationship " of thimerosal and, a, > autism (she stutters when saying this) > most doctors don't buy the stories of recovery > " usefullness is NULL " says one dr. > led to one death (reports same dr) > chelation therapy is potentially toxic (dr. optinion) > effects liver and kidneys > some children " JUST OUTGROW " problem or have a lot of ABA > > So- even though we don't all agree with what the CDC or that doctor says- > there is still a lot of good information given. Many images, stories, etc. > that I think make up for the 20% of " them " (for lack of a better word). > > I agree with and think they should definately do another story about > the specific recovery stories- show the medical proof.... > > Did it play on the West coast yet? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 on 6/4/06 11:31 PM, scottshoe11 at shoemaker@... wrote: > Nice summary... Thanks . No problem. Glad we got the transcript so quickly too. I like to list these things because it shows what facts people will walk away with. Those of us on this list forget that most people know nothing about autism, let alone mercury or thimerosal. Dateline explained a lot of things. I thought they did a great job progressing with the story and explaining various details- like the difference in mercury and what chelation does. It's a good start. We also get hit with the CDC clowns- but I really feel like there was a ton of good stuff in there. Also, they linked some great info on their website. Oh yes- chelation is toxic, but mercury isn't ? --- whateva Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 Great " Cliff Notes " ! Thanks! > > I'm surprised it aired too. > > I just watched the tape, again, with my friend. > > For me the part that hit me the most was when they said how Jim ' > daughter didn't respond to chelation. That is so sad. Here is this guy > working so hard to help all these children with autism and he can't even > recover his own child. He is just so impressive. Did you all catch when he > was sitting in bed with his daughter and she was reading a book- she said > " thanks for reading with me " ? That was so simple- and powerful at the same > time. I think we only " get " that. Most parents who don't know anyone with > autism wouldn't even notice that. > > For those of you who missed it.... I wrote down some quick things I saw > > Here are some images shown in the video: > > People sick from mercury in fish in Japan > children with Pink Disease > the bottle of teething powder that had mercury in it > recovered children at DAN > children with autism and their parents in doctors offices > a mother getting a test kit from Jim > a baby getting a shot > people protesting in DC > baxter putting drops on his arms > homemovie footage of children before and after > jim's daughter getting on the school bus > jim and his daughter reading in bed > jim's daughter getting her hair braided > a picture schedule > pecs symbols being used > pictures of jim's daughter standing on furniture > a headline of a child dying while going thru chelation (argh) > > facts talked about: > autism is 1 in 175 > growing problem > children with autism memorize videos > they like repetition and ritual > change in routines can upset her > jim's daughter needs help brushing teeth or making bed > she has special diets, special teachers, special classes.... > little eye contact tantrums, punched holes in walls > what the different types of mercury is > defined Pink disease- social withdrawal and lack of language > teething power > We think it's a combo of genetics and decreased ability to excrete > mecury.... > " one of the most hotly contested and policially charged medical debates of > our time " > vaccines fought back many diseases > showed ingrediants of shots (thimerosal on labels) > in high doses can do damage (explained this) > amount grew over the years > 1999- congress asked pharm to take mercury out > growing body of evidence > radical new treatment > thousands of parents have tried chelation > most parents give children mild, oral medication or cream > explains what chelation does > parents report children are talking and expressing themselves after > chelation > " from almost complete withdrawal " to interacting with their families again > must look at thimerosal > Jim designs study of chelation that will answer many questions > No one else has done this study (why??????) > Study of 23,000 families say Chelation has helped the most > Chelation didn't help Jim's daughter > " what ever way it turns out we'll report it " says Jim > " we'll have the results first on dateline " says Stone > > Other Images and facts; > > CDC--- 2 reports that show no " causal relationship " of thimerosal and, a, > autism (she stutters when saying this) > most doctors don't buy the stories of recovery > " usefullness is NULL " says one dr. > led to one death (reports same dr) > chelation therapy is potentially toxic (dr. optinion) > effects liver and kidneys > some children " JUST OUTGROW " problem or have a lot of ABA > > So- even though we don't all agree with what the CDC or that doctor says- > there is still a lot of good information given. Many images, stories, etc. > that I think make up for the 20% of " them " (for lack of a better word). > > I agree with and think they should definately do another story about > the specific recovery stories- show the medical proof.... > > Did it play on the West coast yet? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!! On a smaller less impactful note... the potential of problems w/ chelation was HEAVILY monitored. where were the docs when my kid got acute pyleonephritis (caused by Hg) and repeated infections (ditto) that started the antibiotic trail......The bias is crazy. baby steps people. baby steps. and Baxter > > > > I'm surprised it aired too. > > > > I just watched the tape, again, with my friend. > > > > For me the part that hit me the most was when they said how Jim > ' > > daughter didn't respond to chelation. That is so sad. Here is > this guy > > working so hard to help all these children with autism and he > can't even > > recover his own child. He is just so impressive. Did you all > catch when he > > was sitting in bed with his daughter and she was reading a book- > she said > > " thanks for reading with me " ? That was so simple- and powerful at > the same > > time. I think we only " get " that. Most parents who don't know > anyone with > > autism wouldn't even notice that. > > > > For those of you who missed it.... I wrote down some quick things > I saw > > > > Here are some images shown in the video: > > > > People sick from mercury in fish in Japan > > children with Pink Disease > > the bottle of teething powder that had mercury in it > > recovered children at DAN > > children with autism and their parents in doctors offices > > a mother getting a test kit from Jim > > a baby getting a shot > > people protesting in DC > > baxter putting drops on his arms > > homemovie footage of children before and after > > jim's daughter getting on the school bus > > jim and his daughter reading in bed > > jim's daughter getting her hair braided > > a picture schedule > > pecs symbols being used > > pictures of jim's daughter standing on furniture > > a headline of a child dying while going thru chelation (argh) > > > > facts talked about: > > autism is 1 in 175 > > growing problem > > children with autism memorize videos > > they like repetition and ritual > > change in routines can upset her > > jim's daughter needs help brushing teeth or making bed > > she has special diets, special teachers, special classes.... > > little eye contact tantrums, punched holes in walls > > what the different types of mercury is > > defined Pink disease- social withdrawal and lack of language > > teething power > > We think it's a combo of genetics and decreased ability to excrete > > mecury.... > > " one of the most hotly contested and policially charged medical > debates of > > our time " > > vaccines fought back many diseases > > showed ingrediants of shots (thimerosal on labels) > > in high doses can do damage (explained this) > > amount grew over the years > > 1999- congress asked pharm to take mercury out > > growing body of evidence > > radical new treatment > > thousands of parents have tried chelation > > most parents give children mild, oral medication or cream > > explains what chelation does > > parents report children are talking and expressing themselves after > > chelation > > " from almost complete withdrawal " to interacting with their > families again > > must look at thimerosal > > Jim designs study of chelation that will answer many questions > > No one else has done this study (why??????) > > Study of 23,000 families say Chelation has helped the most > > Chelation didn't help Jim's daughter > > " what ever way it turns out we'll report it " says Jim > > " we'll have the results first on dateline " says Stone > > > > Other Images and facts; > > > > CDC--- 2 reports that show no " causal relationship " of thimerosal > and, a, > > autism (she stutters when saying this) > > most doctors don't buy the stories of recovery > > " usefullness is NULL " says one dr. > > led to one death (reports same dr) > > chelation therapy is potentially toxic (dr. optinion) > > effects liver and kidneys > > some children " JUST OUTGROW " problem or have a lot of ABA > > > > So- even though we don't all agree with what the CDC or that > doctor says- > > there is still a lot of good information given. Many images, > stories, etc. > > that I think make up for the 20% of " them " (for lack of a better > word). > > > > I agree with and think they should definately do another > story about > > the specific recovery stories- show the medical proof.... > > > > Did it play on the West coast yet? > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 on 6/4/06 11:44 PM, djberle at dberle@... wrote: > EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > On a smaller less impactful note... the potential of problems w/ > chelation was HEAVILY monitored. where were the docs when my kid got > acute pyleonephritis (caused by Hg) and repeated infections (ditto) > that started the antibiotic trail......The bias is crazy. > > baby steps people. baby steps. > > and Baxter > Hey Baxter, Did you like seeing yourself on tv today? - what did you think when you finally saw the segment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 That was brutal. I know what you mean. But honest. we DON'T still know so much about it and it COULD be that she was on the older side....(add the complexity of the girl component...ugh) but i like that they said... " maybe b/c she was older... " Although it completely broke my heart. she was so " THERE " in so many ways. not to mention beautiful and cherished (even by me although she's a stranger....) He's the real deal. What you see is what you get. Sure he wants this study to be definitive and help us...but he's right. If it doesn't show that...it doesn't benefit our kids in the long run. I believe in my heart there will be statistically likely link. Then maybe someone from hte CDC can pair up with (fill in any of " our " doctors names) to do a joint-checks-and-balances- repeat study of Dr. A's. > > > > I'm surprised it aired too. > > > > I just watched the tape, again, with my friend. > > > > For me the part that hit me the most was when they said how Jim ' > > daughter didn't respond to chelation. That is so sad. Here is this guy > > working so hard to help all these children with autism and he can't even > > recover his own child. He is just so impressive. Did you all catch > when he > > was sitting in bed with his daughter and she was reading a book- she > said > > " thanks for reading with me " ? That was so simple- and powerful at > the same > > time. I think we only " get " that. Most parents who don't know > anyone with > > autism wouldn't even notice that. > > > > For those of you who missed it.... I wrote down some quick things I saw > > > > Here are some images shown in the video: > > > > People sick from mercury in fish in Japan > > children with Pink Disease > > the bottle of teething powder that had mercury in it > > recovered children at DAN > > children with autism and their parents in doctors offices > > a mother getting a test kit from Jim > > a baby getting a shot > > people protesting in DC > > baxter putting drops on his arms > > homemovie footage of children before and after > > jim's daughter getting on the school bus > > jim and his daughter reading in bed > > jim's daughter getting her hair braided > > a picture schedule > > pecs symbols being used > > pictures of jim's daughter standing on furniture > > a headline of a child dying while going thru chelation (argh) > > > > facts talked about: > > autism is 1 in 175 > > growing problem > > children with autism memorize videos > > they like repetition and ritual > > change in routines can upset her > > jim's daughter needs help brushing teeth or making bed > > she has special diets, special teachers, special classes.... > > little eye contact tantrums, punched holes in walls > > what the different types of mercury is > > defined Pink disease- social withdrawal and lack of language > > teething power > > We think it's a combo of genetics and decreased ability to excrete > > mecury.... > > " one of the most hotly contested and policially charged medical > debates of > > our time " > > vaccines fought back many diseases > > showed ingrediants of shots (thimerosal on labels) > > in high doses can do damage (explained this) > > amount grew over the years > > 1999- congress asked pharm to take mercury out > > growing body of evidence > > radical new treatment > > thousands of parents have tried chelation > > most parents give children mild, oral medication or cream > > explains what chelation does > > parents report children are talking and expressing themselves after > > chelation > > " from almost complete withdrawal " to interacting with their families > again > > must look at thimerosal > > Jim designs study of chelation that will answer many questions > > No one else has done this study (why??????) > > Study of 23,000 families say Chelation has helped the most > > Chelation didn't help Jim's daughter > > " what ever way it turns out we'll report it " says Jim > > " we'll have the results first on dateline " says Stone > > > > Other Images and facts; > > > > CDC--- 2 reports that show no " causal relationship " of thimerosal > and, a, > > autism (she stutters when saying this) > > most doctors don't buy the stories of recovery > > " usefullness is NULL " says one dr. > > led to one death (reports same dr) > > chelation therapy is potentially toxic (dr. optinion) > > effects liver and kidneys > > some children " JUST OUTGROW " problem or have a lot of ABA > > > > So- even though we don't all agree with what the CDC or that doctor > says- > > there is still a lot of good information given. Many images, > stories, etc. > > that I think make up for the 20% of " them " (for lack of a better word). > > > > I agree with and think they should definately do another story > about > > the specific recovery stories- show the medical proof.... > > > > Did it play on the West coast yet? > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 Yes. that is their posture. good point Bob. Nice to see you this eve. > > I agree the dateline piece was as good as we can expect. > > > > " The chelation piece was very good except for one thing...they > > mentioned the child that died during chelation and did not mention > > that the EDTA that was administered was not what was prescribed. I > > consider that a major omission. " > > > > However, this was not a " major omission " . It was a > deliberate " deception " by Dr. Jay Berklehiemer of the American > Academy of Pediatricians, who obviously knew this child died because > he was unintentionally administered the wrong chelation drug by a > medical professional who made a human error. We should be > encouraged the spokesman for the AAP must rely upon deception in > order to make his case appear more credible. > > > > It was sad listening to Dr. Berklehiemer defend thimerosal while > warning viewers chelation theraphy was " potentially toxic " . > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 -Its 100 degrees out here in Southern CA today and our AC is broken. I could not pull him in from the sprinkler to watch. He just went down to bed saying " tomorrow I'll see myself on TV...........when do I get to be in the movies..not just TV??? " (true story!!!!!) I go up and down. I generally feel like it was great but it pulls me to how much more needs to be said. I've already said it 10 times but I wish they would now re-go- thhrough all their footage of improved/recovered kids and show W H Y we parents " think " our kids have recovered. (I AM USING THINK IN QUOTES AND NOT RECOVERED ON PURPOSE) I have sipped the water and now I want the kool aid...GIVE ME MORE!!! I have the documentation...let me show it! But as I just reminded you all (really for my benefit???) baby steps baby steps...) Ugh. and Baxter -- In EOHarm , christine zichittella-heeren <christine@...> wrote: > > on 6/4/06 11:44 PM, djberle at dberle@... wrote: > > > EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > > > > On a smaller less impactful note... the potential of problems w/ > > chelation was HEAVILY monitored. where were the docs when my kid got > > acute pyleonephritis (caused by Hg) and repeated infections (ditto) > > that started the antibiotic trail......The bias is crazy. > > > > baby steps people. baby steps. > > > > and Baxter > > > > Hey Baxter, > > Did you like seeing yourself on tv today? > > > - what did you think when you finally saw the segment? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 The CDC/AAP has become a litigation management team. Dateline I agree the dateline piece was as good as we can expect. "The chelation piece was very good except for one thing...theymentioned the child that died during chelation and did not mentionthat the EDTA that was administered was not what was prescribed. Iconsider that a major omission." However, this was not a "major omission". It was a deliberate "deception" by Dr. Jay Berklehiemer of the American Academy of Pediatricians, who obviously knew this child died because he was unintentionally administered the wrong chelation drug by a medical professional who made a human error. We should be encouraged the spokesman for the AAP must rely upon deception in order to make his case appear more credible. It was sad listening to Dr. Berklehiemer defend thimerosal while warning viewers chelation theraphy was "potentially toxic". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 The AAP is so dirty on this issue and they continue to dissemble. The fact that NBC mostly got this right is a tremendous breakthrough. The CDC/AAP continue to argue that it is appropriate to put mercury in vaccines at high concentration and give it to babies and pregnant women. That shows you where they are coming from. Dateline I agree the dateline piece was as good as we can expect. "The chelation piece was very good except for one thing...theymentioned the child that died during chelation and did not mentionthat the EDTA that was administered was not what was prescribed. Iconsider that a major omission." However, this was not a "major omission". It was a deliberate "deception" by Dr. Jay Berklehiemer of the American Academy of Pediatricians, who obviously knew this child died because he was unintentionally administered the wrong chelation drug by a medical professional who made a human error. We should be encouraged the spokesman for the AAP must rely upon deception in order to make his case appear more credible. It was sad listening to Dr. Berklehiemer defend thimerosal while warning viewers chelation theraphy was "potentially toxic". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 AAP is in litigation management mode. There is no other explanation for their conduct. They are petrified of the outcome for their members. They should be. Expect to get nothing out of the AAP but dissembling, lies and misconduct. Re: Dateline Excellent point about the chemotherapy. And the AAP is fighting legislation to ban thimerosal. And Thimerosal is toxic. It says so on the label and the Material Safety Data Sheet. Typical AAP BS.> I agree the dateline piece was as good as we can expect.> > "The chelation piece was very good except for one thing...they> mentioned the child that died during chelation and did not mention> that the EDTA that was administered was not what was prescribed. I> consider that a major omission."> > However, this was not a "major omission". It was a deliberate "deception" by Dr. Jay Berklehiemer of the American Academy of Pediatricians, who obviously knew this child died because he was unintentionally administered the wrong chelation drug by a medical professional who made a human error. We should be encouraged the spokesman for the AAP must rely upon deception in order to make his case appear more credible.> > It was sad listening to Dr. Berklehiemer defend thimerosal while warning viewers chelation theraphy was "potentially toxic".> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 Subversive in a very good way. Re: Dateline The program is subversive, although it may not seem so obvious on thesurface. If I had an autistic child and was hearing about mercury andchelation for the first time from this report, I would be rushing tofind out more about it. This will result in who knows how manychildren become recovered or improved as a result of seeing this news.It was good that the CDC and the AAP were given plenty of room todismiss it -- but their denials were based solely on "trust us"assurances and little else. All the CDC "research" is self-servingjunk science and Dateline gate it the proper weight in passingmention. Kudos to NBC Dateline and the s, for being heros onceagain.As for worry over pharma: they are not one big monolith entity thatall have the same interest. Only a very small number of pharmacueticalcompanies are implicated in the mercury-damage epidemics now upon us.(The real evil-doers, in my opinion, are the CDC and other publichealth agencies and the AAP for their criminal coverup. Thepharmacuetical companies involved are no doubt negligent, though.) Lenny >> This was a much better report than we could have expected. Japan,Pink Disease, Methyl > vs Ethyl, hotly contested medical debate, etc. We have toappreciate the fact it was > mentioned. The story of the child death was a low blow and wasunethical without > explanation. We are used to this a can expect more. We need to tell her > story. Millions of kids and families could benefit from it. Thislong battle will consist of > winning hearts and minds one person at a time. Don't expect aorganization like NBC that > receives 1/3 of its' revenues from pharma advertising to bite thehand that feeds them. > This is about as good as it gets for us on network TV media. Keepworking at it with other > media, blogs and grass roots and we will convince the masses overtime. > > Mike> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 The bias is not crazy, we must understand that it is fully expected. Re: Dateline EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!On a smaller less impactful note... the potential of problems w/ chelation was HEAVILY monitored. where were the docs when my kid got acute pyleonephritis (caused by Hg) and repeated infections (ditto) that started the antibiotic trail......The bias is crazy.baby steps people. baby steps. and Baxter> >> > I'm surprised it aired too.> > > > I just watched the tape, again, with my friend.> > > > For me the part that hit me the most was when they said how Jim > '> > daughter didn't respond to chelation. That is so sad. Here is > this guy> > working so hard to help all these children with autism and he > can't even> > recover his own child. He is just so impressive. Did you all > catch when he> > was sitting in bed with his daughter and she was reading a book- > she said> > "thanks for reading with me"? That was so simple- and powerful at > the same> > time. I think we only "get" that. Most parents who don't know > anyone with> > autism wouldn't even notice that.> > > > For those of you who missed it.... I wrote down some quick things > I saw> > > > Here are some images shown in the video:> > > > People sick from mercury in fish in Japan> > children with Pink Disease> > the bottle of teething powder that had mercury in it> > recovered children at DAN> > children with autism and their parents in doctors offices> > a mother getting a test kit from Jim > > a baby getting a shot> > people protesting in DC> > baxter putting drops on his arms> > homemovie footage of children before and after> > jim's daughter getting on the school bus> > jim and his daughter reading in bed> > jim's daughter getting her hair braided> > a picture schedule> > pecs symbols being used> > pictures of jim's daughter standing on furniture> > a headline of a child dying while going thru chelation (argh)> > > > facts talked about:> > autism is 1 in 175> > growing problem> > children with autism memorize videos> > they like repetition and ritual> > change in routines can upset her> > jim's daughter needs help brushing teeth or making bed> > she has special diets, special teachers, special classes....> > little eye contact tantrums, punched holes in walls> > what the different types of mercury is> > defined Pink disease- social withdrawal and lack of language> > teething power> > We think it's a combo of genetics and decreased ability to excrete> > mecury....> > "one of the most hotly contested and policially charged medical > debates of> > our time"> > vaccines fought back many diseases> > showed ingrediants of shots (thimerosal on labels)> > in high doses can do damage (explained this)> > amount grew over the years> > 1999- congress asked pharm to take mercury out> > growing body of evidence> > radical new treatment> > thousands of parents have tried chelation> > most parents give children mild, oral medication or cream> > explains what chelation does> > parents report children are talking and expressing themselves after> > chelation> > "from almost complete withdrawal" to interacting with their > families again> > must look at thimerosal> > Jim designs study of chelation that will answer many questions> > No one else has done this study (why??????)> > Study of 23,000 families say Chelation has helped the most> > Chelation didn't help Jim's daughter> > "what ever way it turns out we'll report it" says Jim> > "we'll have the results first on dateline" says Stone > > > > Other Images and facts;> > > > CDC--- 2 reports that show no "causal relationship" of thimerosal > and, a,> > autism (she stutters when saying this)> > most doctors don't buy the stories of recovery> > "usefullness is NULL" says one dr.> > led to one death (reports same dr)> > chelation therapy is potentially toxic (dr. optinion)> > effects liver and kidneys> > some children "JUST OUTGROW" problem or have a lot of ABA> > > > So- even though we don't all agree with what the CDC or that > doctor says-> > there is still a lot of good information given. Many images, > stories, etc.> > that I think make up for the 20% of "them" (for lack of a better > word).> > > > I agree with and think they should definately do another > story about> > the specific recovery stories- show the medical proof....> > > > Did it play on the West coast yet?> > > > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 , Would the people from Dateline accept that suggestion from you, since you allowed them to film you and your son?? Worth a try! Barb Re: Dateline > -Its 100 degrees out here in Southern CA today and our AC is broken. > I could not pull him in from the sprinkler to watch. He just went > down to bed saying " tomorrow I'll see myself on TV...........when do > I get to be in the movies..not just TV??? " (true story!!!!!) > > I go up and down. I generally feel like it was great but it pulls me > to how much more needs to be said. > > I've already said it 10 times but I wish they would now re-go- > thhrough all their footage of improved/recovered kids and show W H Y > we parents " think " our kids have recovered. (I AM USING THINK IN > QUOTES AND NOT RECOVERED ON PURPOSE) I have sipped the water and now > I want the kool aid...GIVE ME MORE!!! I have the documentation...let > me show it! > > But as I just reminded you all (really for my benefit???) baby steps > baby steps...) > > Ugh. > and Baxter > > -- In EOHarm , christine zichittella-heeren > <christine@...> wrote: >> >> on 6/4/06 11:44 PM, djberle at dberle@... wrote: >> >> > EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!! >> > >> > >> > On a smaller less impactful note... the potential of problems w/ >> > chelation was HEAVILY monitored. where were the docs when my kid > got >> > acute pyleonephritis (caused by Hg) and repeated infections > (ditto) >> > that started the antibiotic trail......The bias is crazy. >> > >> > baby steps people. baby steps. >> > >> > and Baxter >> > >> >> Hey Baxter, >> >> Did you like seeing yourself on tv today? >> >> >> - what did you think when you finally saw the segment? >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 I think as many people as possible asking for that would be great. I would like them to show why we " think " our kids got better. I don't think.. I know. I have labs, reports and tons of proof that can show just that. We may not have the science just yet but our anecdotal stories of recovery are compelling and show our side of this story in a way that can be easily viewed and understood by the masses. > > >> > > >> > EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!! > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > On a smaller less impactful note... the potential of problems > w/ > > >> > chelation was HEAVILY monitored. where were the docs when my > kid > > > got > > >> > acute pyleonephritis (caused by Hg) and repeated infections > > > (ditto) > > >> > that started the antibiotic trail......The bias is crazy. > > >> > > > >> > baby steps people. baby steps. > > >> > > > >> > and Baxter > > >> > > > >> > > >> Hey Baxter, > > >> > > >> Did you like seeing yourself on tv today? > > >> > > >> > > >> - what did you think when you finally saw the segment? > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 and the others who have recovered their children - A HUGE, Enormous THANK YOU from the rest of us who will follow in your footsteps. Sally > > > >> > > > >> > EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > On a smaller less impactful note... the potential of > problems > > w/ > > > >> > chelation was HEAVILY monitored. where were the docs when > my > > kid > > > > got > > > >> > acute pyleonephritis (caused by Hg) and repeated infections > > > > (ditto) > > > >> > that started the antibiotic trail......The bias is crazy. > > > >> > > > > >> > baby steps people. baby steps. > > > >> > > > > >> > and Baxter > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> Hey Baxter, > > > >> > > > >> Did you like seeing yourself on tv today? > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> - what did you think when you finally saw the segment? > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 Just a piece of important info copy and paste if at all interested and I do have alot more information,...http://www.avaccineinjurylawyer.com/thimerosal_and_autism/default.aspx schaferatsprynet <schafer@...> wrote: The program is subversive, although it may not seem so obvious on thesurface. If I had an autistic child and was hearing about mercury and chelation for the first time from this report, I would be rushing tofind out more about it. This will result in who knows how manychildren become recovered or improved as a result of seeing this news. It was good that the CDC and the AAP were given plenty of room todismiss it -- but their denials were based solely on "trust us"assurances and little else. All the CDC "research" is self-servingjunk science and Dateline gate it the proper weight in passingmention. Kudos to NBC Dateline and the s, for being heros onceagain.As for worry over pharma: they are not one big monolith entity thatall have the same interest. Only a very small number of pharmacueticalcompanies are implicated in the mercury-damage epidemics now upon us. (The real evil-doers, in my opinion, are the CDC and other publichealth agencies and the AAP for their criminal coverup. Thepharmacuetical companies involved are no doubt negligent, though.) Lenny >> This was a much better report than we could have expected. Japan,Pink Disease, Methyl > vs Ethyl, hotly contested medical debate, etc. We have toappreciate the fact it was > mentioned. The story of the child death was a low blow and wasunethical without > explanation. We are used to this a can expect more. We need to tell her > story. Millions of kids and families could benefit from it. Thislong battle will consist of > winning hearts and minds one person at a time. Don't expect aorganization like NBC that > receives 1/3 of its' revenues from pharma advertising to bite thehand that feeds them. > This is about as good as it gets for us on network TV media. Keepworking at it with other > media, blogs and grass roots and we will convince the masses overtime. > > Mike> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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