Re: Dateline

[Guest guest]

Did anyone else catch the statistic that Katy Couric threw out, that one out of

every 200 gastric bypass patients DIE? I have a hard time believing that.

Aren't we glad Dr. R has better statistics than that!

I am not sure that is a true statistic, but the bent the media is so insistent

on about this subject!

Pat Eppler

Re: dateline

>

>

> Did everyone watch Dateline last night? I thought it was

> really good. Any

> comments?

>

> /Michigan

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[Guest guest]

I heard that ---- they talked about " significant " death risk. I know

that any surgery (even something like a tonsillectomy) has risks but

geez!!!! I am glad I am postop -- and I guess will be praying that my

guardian angel (my mother) will be watching me during my plastics!

in GA

> Re: dateline

>

>

> Did anyone else catch the statistic that Katy Couric threw

> out, that one out of every 200 gastric bypass patients DIE?

> I have a hard time believing that. Aren't we glad Dr. R has

> better statistics than that!

>

> I am not sure that is a true statistic, but the bent the

> media is so insistent on about this subject!

>

> Pat Eppler

> Re: dateline

> >

> >

> > Did everyone watch Dateline last night? I thought it was

> > really good. Any

> > comments?

> >

> > /Michigan

> > 278/218

> > 7/10/02

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

YEAH I THOUGHT THE SHOW WAS GOOD BUT THE LAST STATEMENT HE MADE WAS KIND OF

FALSE. ALL INSURANCES DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM PAYING FOR THE SURGERY, WELL HE

NEEDS TO TALK TO CIGNA. I AM HAVING NOTHING BUT PROBLEMS WITH THEM. BUT

OTHER THAN THAT IT WAS GOOD.

AIMEE

8-21-02

328/271

[Guest guest]

Does that mean die during surgery from complications, or just die soon after.

I must have missed something.

Connie

[Guest guest]

I think the 1 in 200 figure is correct. I have heard it from several sources

including a gastric surgeon who does the RNY.

Sandy

7/31/02

[Guest guest]

I only got that the surgery causes 1/200 to die--I suppose during or after from

complications.

Pat

Re: dateline

Does that mean die during surgery from complications, or just die soon after.

I must have missed something.

Connie

[Guest guest]

The 1 in 200 figure may be correct for 'ALL' gastric bypass surgeries.

Imagine what it is for the NON-MGB types to average out to .005%.

Warmest Regards,

TommyB from Kingston, NY

Re: dateline

> I think the 1 in 200 figure is correct. I have heard it from several

sources including a gastric surgeon who does the RNY.

> Sandy

> 7/31/02

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 11/14/02 10:10:28 AM Eastern Standard Time,

jwmson1@... writes:

> if I was painfully honest I

> would be voicing the same things about my life as I think would most of

> us. I did not like the way I looked or felt. I hated the lack of

> control I felt I had over my body and my weight

DITTO!

Busching

[Guest guest]

My understanding is that for Wt. loss surgeries other than the MGB, the

mortality rate is at or perhaps a little greater than 2% mortality rate.

Betty Pappas, RN,C., CIC

MGB: 3/13/00

Re: dateline

>

>

> > I think the 1 in 200 figure is correct. I have heard it from several

> sources including a gastric surgeon who does the RNY.

> > Sandy

> > 7/31/02

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I personally did NOT like this show. It did not focus on what was important

i.e., that Obesity is a disease, etc. The questions asked were more for a

talk-show not for helping the public understand obesity. Al's comments

about himself BEFORE he had surgery were negative to the point of disgust.

He obviously is taking a different approach to his experience and it is one

I do not care for.

Marleen from St. Louis

post-op 08-21-02

>From: " Tom Bover " <tjbover@...>

>Reply-

>< >

>Subject: Re: dateline

>Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 04:32:38 -0400

>

>The 1 in 200 figure may be correct for 'ALL' gastric bypass surgeries.

>Imagine what it is for the NON-MGB types to average out to .005%.

>Warmest Regards,

>TommyB from Kingston, NY

> Re: dateline

>

>

> > I think the 1 in 200 figure is correct. I have heard it from several

>sources including a gastric surgeon who does the RNY.

> > Sandy

> > 7/31/02

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I did like the show. I don't think it was meant to be a discussion of

obesity - I think it was meant to be a discussion about Al Roker and his

" personal " decision to do something about the obesity that has been

present in his entire life. As for the " disgust " that you thought he

portrayed about his life before surgery --- if I was painfully honest I

would be voicing the same things about my life as I think would most of

us. I did not like the way I looked or felt. I hated the lack of

control I felt I had over my body and my weight. I felt as if (and

knew) that I was going to die long before my time because of my obesity.

Yes those are issues that have to be addressed before a patient can

truly be ready for surgery but once again I don't think that is what the

story was meant to be about.

in GA

> Re: dateline

> >Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 04:32:38 -0400

> >

> >The 1 in 200 figure may be correct for 'ALL' gastric bypass

> surgeries.

> >Imagine what it is for the NON-MGB types to average out to .005%.

> >Warmest Regards, TommyB from Kingston, NY

> > Re: dateline

> >

> >

> > > I think the 1 in 200 figure is correct. I have heard it from

> > > several

> >sources including a gastric surgeon who does the RNY.

> > > Sandy

> > > 7/31/02

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

I'm only speaking for myself, but the feelings I had about myself prior to

surgery WERE feelings of disgust. I didn't have any positive thoughts about

myself. The way I saw my life, there wasn't a lot of things to feel good about

myself about. I was fat, ugly, miserable, I DID disgust myself. I felt the

only thing I did have that was good was my daughter (didn't have my baby boy

then). Losing the weight and becoming thin has opened a whole new world for all

of us. Al was describing what a lot of obese people feel. So if I went into

detail about how I saw myself prior to surgery, it would be very negative and

maybe even to the point of disgust to some. We can't help our feelings about

how we see ourselves. Depression also reinforced these negative feelings.

in OK

>> Re: dateline

>>

>>

>> I personally did NOT like this show.  It did not focus on

>> what was important

>> i.e., that Obesity is a disease, etc.  The questions asked

>> were more for a

>> talk-show not for helping the public understand obesity.  

>> Al's comments

>> about himself BEFORE he had surgery were negative to the

>> point of disgust.  

>> He obviously is taking a different approach to his experience

>> and it is one

>> I do not care for.

>>

>> Marleen from St. Louis

>> post-op  08-21-02

>>

>> --------------------------------------------------------------

>> -------~->

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

I think it is a given for most of us that we are disgusted with

ourselves before wls. While I would not take disgust from other people,

I had plenty for myself. I think by Al verbalizing this on national

television it will help other morbidly obese people understand that if

someone who is famous, someone everyone considers an 'everyman', someone

who seemingly has everything, can have those kinds of feelings just the

same as every other morbidly obese person. By being brave enough to

publicly say it, it gives a voice to others who may have felt they were

the only person who ever had those kinds of feelings.

Hugs,

LyndaV

Cushing Oklahoma USA

p8nlady@...

9/5/2001

296/168

...I am always happy to be a contact. But

Please....contact me privately.

> Re: dateline

> >>

> >>

> >> I personally did NOT like this show.  It did not focus on

> >> what was important

> >> i.e., that Obesity is a disease, etc.  The questions asked

> >> were more for a

> >> talk-show not for helping the public understand obesity.  

> >> Al's comments

> >> about himself BEFORE he had surgery were negative to the

> >> point of disgust.  

> >> He obviously is taking a different approach to his experience

> >> and it is one

> >> I do not care for.

> >>

> >> Marleen from St. Louis

> >> post-op  08-21-02

>

> >>

> >> --------------------------------------------------------------

> >> -------~->

> >>

> >>

[Guest guest]

Well put, Lynda! I think you're right on with your thinking. As I read (didn't

see the program) the interview, it really broke my heart... I was reading this

nodding my head cause I've felt those exact feelings Al described. I well

remember the pain being obese causes - - - Physically and mentally. It's a pain

I will never forget either. I really wish all obese people could have the gift

of surgery.

in OK

MGB 3/29/2001

303/145 sizes 5/6-7/8

TT scheduled 12/16/02

In a message dated 11/14/2002 12:11:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, " Lynda Vance "

<p8nlady@...> writes:

>I think it is a given for most of us that we are disgusted with

>ourselves before wls.  While I would not take disgust from other people,

>I had plenty for myself.  I think by  Al verbalizing this on national

>television it will help other morbidly obese people understand that if

>someone who is famous, someone everyone considers an 'everyman', someone

>who seemingly has everything,  can have those kinds of feelings just the

>same as every other morbidly obese person.  By being brave enough to

>publicly say it, it gives a voice to others who may have felt they were

>the only person who ever had those kinds of feelings.

>Hugs,

>LyndaV

>Cushing Oklahoma USA

>p8nlady@...

>

>9/5/2001

>296/168

>

>                         ...I am always happy to be a contact. But

>            Please....contact me privately.

>

>

>> Re: dateline

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> I personally did NOT like this show.  It did not focus on

>> >> what was important

>> >> i.e., that Obesity is a disease, etc.  The questions asked

>> >> were more for a

>> >> talk-show not for helping the public understand obesity.  

>> >> Al's comments

>> >> about himself BEFORE he had surgery were negative to the

>> >> point of disgust.  

>> >> He obviously is taking a different approach to his experience

>> >> and it is one

>> >> I do not care for.

>> >>

>> >> Marleen from St. Louis

>> >> post-op  08-21-02

>>

>> >>

>> >> --------------------------------------------------------------

>> >> -------~->

>> >>

>> >>

[Guest guest]

Beverly,

I have to agree with you. He has done a lot to help the obese with his

presentation. I was agree with so many things he said about the way he felt

and how others felt about him. He does need more information about insurance

companies and their refusal to pay for the surgery. Perhaps he could do a

show about others having the surgery and the issues they are having to deal

with. I for one am proud of him and all of us who have helped ourselves. In

1996 when the " Nutty Professor " came out, I was what I thought was my highest

weight. I cried through most of the movie because at that point, I was so

unhappy with myself and being overweight. I still don't like the movie!

Cheers to Al!

in SC

[Guest guest]

Wow, to each his own and I respect your right to your opinion but

it's hard to believe we saw the same show. I identified very strongly

with what he said he felt about himself before surgery. I was sitting

there saying to myself " Yes! Exactly! " I had to agree with him also

on what he said about no matter how much someone protests, no one

likes themselves to be fat. I think the money made in the diet

industry attests to that. I think that there are some people who make

a kind of peace with it but I will never be able to beieve anyone

likes it- like all of you, I've been there and it was awful-

physically and emotionally. Just my 2 cents. Hugs, Beverly

> I personally did NOT like this show. It did not focus on what was

important

> i.e., that Obesity is a disease, etc. The questions asked were more

for a

> talk-show not for helping the public understand obesity. Al's

comments

> about himself BEFORE he had surgery were negative to the point of

disgust.

> He obviously is taking a different approach to his experience and it

is one

> I do not care for.

>

> Marleen from St. Louis

> post-op 08-21-02

>

>

>

>

>

>

> >From: " Tom Bover " <tjbover@a...>

> >Reply-@y...

> ><@y...>

> >Subject: Re: dateline

> >Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 04:32:38 -0400

> >

> >The 1 in 200 figure may be correct for 'ALL' gastric bypass

surgeries.

> >Imagine what it is for the NON-MGB types to average out to .005%.

> >Warmest Regards,

> >TommyB from Kingston, NY

> > Re: dateline

> >

> >

> > > I think the 1 in 200 figure is correct. I have heard it from

several

> >sources including a gastric surgeon who does the RNY.

> > > Sandy

> > > 7/31/02

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

I agree with this. He only voiced what most of us felt. We tried to cover it

up with various coping mechanisms, but deep down I felt exactly the same way. I

just wish more people could be convinced that this is a legitimate treatment.

Pat

Re: dateline

> >>

> >>

> >> I personally did NOT like this show. It did not focus on

> >> what was important

> >> i.e., that Obesity is a disease, etc. The questions asked

> >> were more for a

> >> talk-show not for helping the public understand obesity.

> >> Al's comments

> >> about himself BEFORE he had surgery were negative to the

> >> point of disgust.

> >> He obviously is taking a different approach to his experience

> >> and it is one

> >> I do not care for.

> >>

> >> Marleen from St. Louis

> >> post-op 08-21-02

>

> >>

> >> --------------------------------------------------------------

> >> -------~->

> >>

> >>

[Guest guest]

Beverly, also well put

TommyB from Kingston, NY

Re: dateline

> > >

> > >

> > > > I think the 1 in 200 figure is correct. I have heard it from

> several

> > >sources including a gastric surgeon who does the RNY.

> > > > Sandy

> > > > 7/31/02

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

BEVERLY,

I TOTAL AGREE WITH YOU. I SAT IN MY LIVING ROOM WITH MY HUSBAND AND I

COULDN'T STOP SAYING STUFF LIKE EXACTLY, THATS RIGHT, AND I TOLD MY HUBBY

THAT I COULD CONNECT WITH HIM. I KNEW EXACTLY HOW HE FELT. I AM GLAD TO

KNOW THAT SOMEONE ELSE FELT THAT WAY TOO.

AIMEE

8-21-02

328/271

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 7/20/2003 10:07:46 AM Central Daylight Time,

p_welborn13@... writes:

> They say there is going to be a ds patient on there

> tonite,Marta what does your tv guide say??? 7PM

> Pat

>

>

Not Marta BUT.....

Mine says....Weighing nearly 300lbs a woman considers stomach surgery to

bring about dramatic weight loss. I tivo'd it... Thanks pat

in Bama

http://hometown.aol.com/mdl1031/myhomepage/profile.html

Surgery- RNY to DS revision on12/6 -377.5

12/17 - 346.5 ( minus 31lbs)

02/12-330.0 (minus 47.5 lbs)

05/12- 304.8 (minus 72.7 lbs)-BMI now 48

06/22- 290.8 (minus 86.7)BMI 46.

[Guest guest]

I caught the end of dateline a few nights ago and it looked good, tho

I couldn't tell what kind of surgery they were talking about. I have

no clue when Dateline will be on again up here. ( But I would like

to find out and tape/watch it also.

Katharine

> In a message dated 7/20/2003 10:07:46 AM Central Daylight Time,

> p_welborn13@y... writes:

>

> > They say there is going to be a ds patient on there

> > tonite,Marta what does your tv guide say??? 7PM

> > Pat

> >

> >

> Not Marta BUT.....

> Mine says....Weighing nearly 300lbs a woman considers stomach

surgery to

> bring about dramatic weight loss. I tivo'd it... Thanks pat

> in Bama

>

>

http://hometown.aol.com/mdl1031/myhomepage/profile.html

Surgery- RNY to DS revision on12/6 -377.5

> 12/17 - 346.5 ( minus

31lbs)

>

> 02/12-330.0 (minus 47.5

lbs)

> 05/12- 304.8 (minus 72.7 lbs)-BMI now 48

> 06/22- 290.8 (minus 86.7)BMI 46.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Here is what TV Guide says about Dateline's showing. Not sure

if that is for everywhere or just when our local cable station is

airing it:

Jul 20 07:00pm Add to My Calendar

Series/Talk, 120 Mins.

Weighing nearly 300 pounds, a woman considers stomach surgery to

bring about dramatic weight loss; VH1 counts down the greatest pop-

culture icons.

Original Airdate: July 20, 2003.

Katharine

...who didn't know I could do this with a search! Amazing what

can be done on the internet

> In a message dated 7/20/2003 10:07:46 AM Central Daylight Time,

> p_welborn13@y... writes:

>

> > They say there is going to be a ds patient on there

> > tonite,Marta what does your tv guide say??? 7PM

> > Pat

> >

> >

> Not Marta BUT.....

> Mine says....Weighing nearly 300lbs a woman considers stomach

surgery to

> bring about dramatic weight loss. I tivo'd it... Thanks pat

> in Bama

>

>

http://hometown.aol.com/mdl1031/myhomepage/profile.html

Surgery- RNY to DS revision on12/6 -377.5

> 12/17 - 346.5 ( minus

31lbs)

>

> 02/12-330.0 (minus 47.5

lbs)

> 05/12- 304.8 (minus 72.7 lbs)-BMI now 48

> 06/22- 290.8 (minus 86.7)BMI 46.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Helen,

I have been researching and trying natural methods but have not ruled

out abx etc. I am wondering what you mean when you say you have life

after Dr B. Thank You-anne

- In , Liveitup2@c... wrote:

>

> Dear Lovette,

> WOW! You were GREAT!!!! I pray to God that somebody has the

sense not to

> edit that. I am so proud to know you. I feel like you're

Wallace

> (Mel) in Braveheart!!!!!!!!!!! I am in your army all the way. I see

Dr B on

> Monday and I can't wait to hug him for allowing me to feel this

never before

> in 8 years feeling of " life. " I'll probably cry. God you are so

right to say

> we'd rather have cancer. This horrible stress of not knowing if our

LLMDs are

> going to be here for us is horrendous. I am living proof of a

" chronic " Lyme

> patient. I just want to smack Siegal and put a hundred ticks on

him----no,

> 1,000,000 and save the other trillion for the " boys up north. "

> Proud to be your friend,

> Helen

>

[Guest guest]

That's aawesome!!!!!!!

>

> If you go to the msnbc website and look at this story it will link

you

> right to ARI's website. Nice going NBC!!!

>

[Guest guest]

> However, this was not a " major omission " . It was a deliberate

" deception "

> by Dr. Jay Berklehiemer of the American Academy of Pediatricians, who

> obviously knew this child died because he was unintentionally

administered the wrong

> chelation drug by a medical professional who made a human error.

NBC still could have inserted the correct information about the boy if

they had wanted to. I guess that's why I considered it an omission.

I never expected the guy from AAP to speak the truth.

> We should be encouraged the spokesman for the AAP must rely upon

deception in order to

> make his case appear more credible.

If I heard correctly, he's the president " elect " of the AAP. If he

ever wants to sit in that office, of course he has to stick to the script.

> It was sad listening to Dr. Berklehiemer defend thimerosal while

warning

> viewers chelation theraphy was " potentially toxic " .

The truth will win out in the end.

Lila