Guest guest Posted June 7, 2006 Report Share Posted June 7, 2006 --- So which Transfer Factor is good for autoimmune disease In , " Dirk Coetsee " <dirk.coetsee@...> wrote: > > If you have autoimmune disease, make sure you don't use the most expensive > one: Transfer Factor Plus advanced > > Dirk > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2006 Report Share Posted June 7, 2006 > > 4Life makes a good Transfer Factor: http://www.livingnow.net/gevans/ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2006 Report Share Posted June 7, 2006 Blake, Thank you for this. Edy Blake Graham <blanket@...> wrote: Hi Pam, Are you doing the Dr. Jadin protocol (http://lassesen.com/cfids/Jadin.htm)? Blake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2006 Report Share Posted June 7, 2006 I chose ImmuneCare64 because of its activity against specific herpes viruses. According to their studies, standard Transfer Factor will not produce statistically significant relief of symptoms or improvement of NKC function. You need a Transfer Factor with activity against whichever virus you are trying to suppress (HHV6a in my case). Here's the conclusion of their study: " In the study reported herein, we analyzed the response to TF with activity against HHV-6 derived from bovine colostrum in a group of patients with severe CFS symptoms, proven active HHV-6 viremia and marked NK dysfunction. There was a statistically significant improvement in symptom scores and NK function throughout the observational period as compared to baseline values in these same patients. Additionally, statistically significant improvements were noted, in comparison to a group of control CFS patients who received a TF preparation without any HHV-6 activity. " I recommend you scroll down towards the bottom of this page and look at the difference in symptom improvement and NKC Function: http://www.immunitytoday.com/hhv6article.html Katrina. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2006 Report Share Posted June 7, 2006 Hi Pam, Are you doing the Dr. Jadin protocol (http://lassesen.com/cfids/Jadin.htm)? Blake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2006 Report Share Posted June 8, 2006 > > Hi Pam, > > Are you doing the Dr. Jadin protocol (http://lassesen.com/cfids/Jadin.htm)? > > Blake > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2006 Report Share Posted June 8, 2006 No, actually I used Immunity today. but they are quite expensive. how is 4life? http://www.immunitytoday.com/products.html paul > > > > I found it very helpful in alleviating painful lymph nodes. > > > > paul d. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2006 Report Share Posted June 8, 2006 I'm confused. And in spite of my good research capacities I'm not sure I'll be able to sleuth this out. 4life is so much less than Immunity Today...and then there is the other product I mentioned...how can one evaluate the differences? The companies might not be willing to talk. One would have to try them all and see, I guess. I'm not sure I have viral issues anyway. I wish there were TF for FUNGUS. WHere is Sue ? Sue, have you tried this product on ? I think viruses are involved in her situation. > > > > > > I found it very helpful in alleviating painful lymph nodes. > > > > > > paul d. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2006 Report Share Posted June 16, 2006 I would also like to see a TF for sackie Virus - since that was what was affecting my heart. Chelating helped with this but I still start to get heart pains if I am in an area with a lot of electrosmog. paul > > > > > > > > I found it very helpful in alleviating painful lymph nodes. > > > > > > > > paul d. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2006 Report Share Posted June 16, 2006 When I studied with the late Hannah Kroeger, RN, many years ago, she had a real thing about coxsackie. You might do a search for her website and see what's there. mjh " The Basil Book " _http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/_ (http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/) _Re: Transfer Factor _ (http://us.lrd./_ylc=X3oDMTJwN3N1dXZyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzkxNTc0BG\ dycHNwSWQDMTYwMDA2MTY0NQRtc2dJZAM5OTcyOQRzZWMDZG1zZwR zbGsDdm1zZwRzdGltZQMxMTUwNDY4OTUy;_ylg=1/SIG=122k4f5va/**http://groups..c om/group//message/99729) Posted by: " rvankonynen " _richvank@... _ (mailto:richvank@...?Subject= Re: Transfer Factor) _rvankonynen _ (rvankonynen) Fri Jun 16, 2006 6:00 am (PST) Hi, . I understand that sackie virus infects the heart in Keshan disease, which occurs in a part of China where selenium is deficient in the soil. I'm wondering what your selenium status is. Rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2006 Report Share Posted June 16, 2006 Hi, . I understand that sackie virus infects the heart in Keshan disease, which occurs in a part of China where selenium is deficient in the soil. I'm wondering what your selenium status is. Rich > > I would also like to see a TF for sackie Virus - since that was > what was affecting my heart. Chelating helped with this but I still > start to get heart pains if I am in an area with a lot of > electrosmog. > > paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2006 Report Share Posted June 17, 2006 Rich, I remember reading something about a number of diseases starting in China which has a deficiency of selenium in the soil but I can't remember exactly what the article was about - but I think that they were connecting it with CFS at some point. When I first got sick I was taking a lot of selenium and zinc and other minerals that I had read were good for this condition and I do believe that I even had a blood test to check my selenium levels and that the test came up normal. But from what I understand from corresponding with one CFS expert is that the cocksackie virus infecting the heart was common with people with CFS. He had recommended that I get tested, which I did - and which came up positive. Maybe this is also what caused Dr. Cheney's heart problems? paul http://www.ahummingbirdsguide.com/topicthenamemeitis.htm " " Prevalence in the Cerebrospinal Fluid of the Following Infectious Agents in a Cohort of 12 CFS Subjects: Human Herpres Virus-6 and 8, Chlamydia Species, Mycoplasma Species, EBV, CMV and sackievirus " Levine MD. JCFS 2001:9 (1-2):41-51 The abstract states: " Over the last decade a wide variety of infectious agents has been associated with the chronic fatigue syndrome (CFS) as potential etiologies for this disorder by researchers from all over the world. Many of these agents are neurotrophic and have been linked previously to other diseases involving the central nervous system (CNS). Because patients with CFS manifest a wide range of symptoms involving the CNS as shown by abnormalities on brain MRIs, SPECT scans of the brain and results of tilt-table testing, we sought to determine the prevalence of HHV-6, HHV-8, EBV, CMV, Mycoplasma species, Chlamydia species and sackie virus in the spinal fluid of a group of patients with CFS. We found evidence of HHV-8, Chlamydia species, CMV and sackie virus. " http://www.immunesupport.com/library/showarticle.cfm/ID/3658/e/1/T/CF IDS_FM/ " Other enteroviruses that cause damage and symptoms similar to the polioviruses include all the other sackie viruses, the ECHO viruses (which in 1956 were the first viruses associated with a CFS/ME outbreak) and the recently discovered Enteroviruses 71. One piece of evidence directly links an enterovirus to CFS/ME and damage to the neurons that activate the brain. Sadly, the evidence comes from a CFS/ME patient who took her own life. Traces of sackie B virus -- the same virus for which Dowsett found antibodies in her CFS/ME patients -- was found in both the hypothalamus and brain stem, the very heart of the brain activating system which our and others' research has found is damage in polio survivors with fatigue and in patients with CFS/ME. " http://users.aol.com/rgm1/private/seminar.htm " sackie Virus There are six serotypes of sackie B virus and 23 serotypes of the sackie A virus of which 8 to 16 of these are supposedly important. Of the B group, CVB-3 and CVB-5 have been shown to cause persistent infection of human vascular tissue replicating for greater than 260 days. In 8 CFS cases, 4 of the 8 were found to have closely related enteroviral sequences with a unique, shared pattern detectable for up to 24 months. This is what he sees clinically. One patient after another who has relapsing problems with muscle pain, decreased exercise intolerance, hypothalamic symptoms, brain fog, spaciness, etc. All the hypothalamic involvement you would expect. sackie virus is myotropic and neurotropic and also an enterovirus which can cause enteritis. It can also cause pancreatitis and myocarditis, both of which are relapsing in nature. sackie virus is contagious which is demonstrated by the amount of people that have pleurisy caused by coxsackie virus. The leading researcher in coxsackie virus was called and asked how likely it was to hear pleurisy in patients that are exposed to coxsackie virus routinely. The researcher answered, " We use all the precautions in the world that you would consider, suits, gloves. Everybody in my laboratory has pleurisy. " sackie virus is extremely contagious and it is much more prevalent than people realize. " http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi? cmd=Retrieve & db=pubmed & dopt=Abstract & list_uids=9152508 " In 1979, Chinese scientists reported that selenium had been linked to Keshan disease, an endemic juvenile cardiomyopathy found in China. However, certain epidemiological features of the disease could not be explained solely on the basis of inadequate selenium nutrition. Fluctuations in the seasonal incidence of the disease suggested involvement of an infectious agent. Indeed, a coxsackievirus B4 isolated from a Keshan disease victim caused more heart muscle damage when inoculated into selenium-deficient mice than when given to selenium-adequate mice. Those results led us to study the relationship of nutritional status to viral virulence. sackievirus B3/0 (CVB3/0), did not cause disease when inoculated into mice fed adequate levels of Se and vitamin E. However, mice fed diets deficient in either Se or vitamin E developed heart lesions when infected with CVB3/0. " http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/bird-flu.html " In Senegal they have a very high content of selenium in their soil. There less than 1 % of the population is infected with the HIV. Also in Senegal they have the lowest in the world death rate from the common kinds of cancer. In one area of China they have a very low content of selenium in soil along with an epidemic of the sackie virus and of hepatitis C. This convinced that selenium was antiviral. has written about the sackie virus causing deaths from heart attacks in the area of China with very low selenium in soil. The government of the PRC has acted on the problem of low selenium causing high sackie viral infections which, in turn, may cause deaths from heart attacks. Selenium has been put in table salt and in fertilizers and supplemental selenium has been added to diet. As a result, the death rate from sackie viral induced infections and heart arracks has been greatly reduced. " http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0ISW/is_2002_July/ai_87720 039 " The soil in Kesham has very little selenium and it is presumed that Kesham disease is caused by a lack of selenium. Supplementation with selenium will prevent Kesham type heart attacks. It is presumed that Kesham type heart attacks are caused by a sackie viral infection. There are two forms of the sackie viral infections, sackie B3 and sackie B4. sackie B3 is presumed to be harmless but sackie B4 is said to attack the myocardium and produce damage to the myocardium much like an infarction. Virologist Dr. Melinda Beck of the University of North Carolina has found that a deficiency of selenium will cause the sackie B3 virus to mutate to the deadly form of the sackie B4 virus. She has found that a sackie B4 infection will cause great damage to the myocardium in mice. She feels certain that if one has enough selenium in diet the sackie B3 virus will not mutate to the B4 virus. " > > > > I would also like to see a TF for sackie Virus - since that was > > what was affecting my heart. Chelating helped with this but I still > > start to get heart pains if I am in an area with a lot of > > electrosmog. > > > > paul > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2006 Report Share Posted June 17, 2006 Hi, . Thanks for the information. sackie is one of the viruses that has a genome that codes for making a form of glutathione peroxidase, which contains selenium (based on the work of et al.). HIV and hepatitis C are two others that do this. Prof. Harold (http://www.hdfoster.com) has proposed the theory that these viruses deplete their hosts of selenium and three of the amino acids (glutamine, cysteine and tryptophan) and in that way the suppress the immune system of the host, enabling them to produce an infection. He is currently testing a supplement in Uganda against AIDS, using this theory. I have suggested that perhaps the reason sackie seems to show up more in CFS cases in the U.K. than in the U.S. is that the population of the U.K. is known to have become more deficient in selenium over the past few years. This occurred because of the formation of the European Union and the transfer of grain imports to the U.K. from continental Europe, rather than from Canada, as in the past. The soils in the grain-growing regions of Europe are lower in selenium than those of North America. Rich > > > > > > I would also like to see a TF for sackie Virus - since that > was > > > what was affecting my heart. Chelating helped with this but I > still > > > start to get heart pains if I am in an area with a lot of > > > electrosmog. > > > > > > paul > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2006 Report Share Posted June 22, 2006 Rich, I would be curious to know just exactly when did Keshan Disease first make its appearance - and if a deficiency of selenium is the only factor promoting this disease - since I find that my heart becomes affected when I am in areas of high microwave radiation. paul http://www.free-food-recipes.com/keshan-disease.htm Keshan Disease Information Keshan Disease Information Keshan disease is a potentially fatal form of cardiomyopathy (disease of the heart muscle). It was first observed in keshan province in china and since has been found elsewhere (including new zealand and finland) in areas where the selenium level in the soil is low. Keshan disease may be the result of several interacting causes including a dominant nutritional deficiency (selenium), other nutritional factors (vitamin E, polyunsaturated fatty acids), and an infectious agent (virus). Keshan disease is an endemic form of dilated cardiomyopathy which is found in areas of China where dietary selenium deficiency is common. This is an endemic form of dilated cardiomyopathy which is found in areas of China where dietary selenium deficiency is common. Keshan disease is a potentially fatal form of cardiomyopathy (disease of the heart muscle). Keshan Disease symptoms Here are the list of symptoms of Keshan Disease Dizziness headache syncope tinnitus vertigo irritability difficulty sleeping or concentrating are more frequent in severe chronic anemia. > > > > > > > > I would also like to see a TF for sackie Virus - since that > > was > > > > what was affecting my heart. Chelating helped with this but I > > still > > > > start to get heart pains if I am in an area with a lot of > > > > electrosmog. > > > > > > > > paul > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2006 Report Share Posted August 15, 2006 , I have been using Transfer Factor for about one year now and I can't NOT take it. When I don't take it I am really drug out and the brain fog is bad. Mine is ImmuneCare 64. They make a lyme type transfer factor, but my LLMD prefers this one. Sorry you are still struggling, but there's a light at the end of the tunnel. <smiles> cooky --------------------------------- Stay in the know. Pulse on the new .com. Check it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2006 Report Share Posted August 15, 2006 Really? I take 4Life brand. My dr. called back-my emergency was severe muscle pain. He called in ultracet which he said before he would not. I am back on the abx and it has been two weeks. I asked him if it was a herx and he said a herx should only be the 1st week. My diary said I was very sick last time for 2 weeks and then starting feeling better. Cooky-I really need to find a live support group. family understands and friends say they do but my one nurse friend asked if I was depressed. I know depression. I am long-term treated for it and had it severely but never had all over body pain. Uggggh. I don't know how you hang in there Cooky. -- In , cooky <brntcooky_2000@...> wrote: > > , I have been using Transfer Factor for about one year now and I can't NOT take it. When I don't take it I am really drug out and the brain fog is bad. Mine is ImmuneCare 64. They make a lyme type transfer factor, but my LLMD prefers this one. Sorry you are still struggling, but there's a light at the end of the tunnel. <smiles> > > cooky > > > --------------------------------- > Stay in the know. Pulse on the new .com. Check it out. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2006 Report Share Posted August 15, 2006 you can do it .... hang on to any hope. Makayla <scorpionallure@...> wrote: Really? I take 4Life brand. My dr. called back-my emergency was severe muscle pain. He called in ultracet which he said before he would not. I am back on the abx and it has been two weeks. I asked him if it was a herx and he said a herx should only be the 1st week. My diary said I was very sick last time for 2 weeks and then starting feeling better. Cooky-I really need to find a live support group. family understands and friends say they do but my one nurse friend asked if I was depressed. I know depression. I am long-term treated for it and had it severely but never had all over body pain. Uggggh. I don't know how you hang in there Cooky. -- In , cooky <brntcooky_2000@...> wrote: > > , I have been using Transfer Factor for about one year now and I can't NOT take it. When I don't take it I am really drug out and the brain fog is bad. Mine is ImmuneCare 64. They make a lyme type transfer factor, but my LLMD prefers this one. Sorry you are still struggling, but there's a light at the end of the tunnel. <smiles> > > cooky > > > --------------------------------- > Stay in the know. Pulse on the new .com. Check it out. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2006 Report Share Posted October 6, 2006 This (below) caught my eye: " The resulting data were comparable to those obtained in patients receiving conventional treatment with interferons. " A bit of hope.. I'd been researching this, ( Transfer Factor and Transfer Factor Plus) but I don't know anyone that's actually tried it..???????????????????? Thanks for posting this.. Sheena shewolfetwo <shewolfetwo@...> wrote: rticles The Effectiveness of Transfer Factor Use in Viral Hepatitis Excerpted from " Transfer factors Use in Immunorehabilitation After Infectious- Inflammatory and Somatic Disease - Methodological Letter " by the Ministry of Health and Social Development of the Russian Federation, Moscow, 2004. Destabilized immune mechanisms play a leading role in the pathogenesis of parenteral hepatitis (viral hepatitis B and C) as well as in the course and outcomes of the disease (42,43). Despite considerable experience in viral hepatitis treatment, including chronic ones, a number of issues concerning an optimal regimen are still being discussed with doses and the treatment with interferons (INF) as the current drugs of choice. The fact that treatment with INF of one patient with the chronic form of hepatitis C costs $10,000- $15,000 prompts the necessity of solving this issue. In addition, this antiviral therapy prescription has a list of other indications, but interferons are sometimes poorly tolerated by patients and the host produces antibodies against recombinant interferons. For these reasons the search for agents with proven therapeutic effect in the patients with viral hepatitis is quite justified. The first results obtained from adult patients receiving TF along with the conventional therapy attests to a high effectiveness of cellular cytokines use in this kind of pathology (9). Along with the normalization of biochemical values and the decrease of viral load (62% of cases), all patients registered a marked improvement of the general state, were more efficient and did not experience excessive fatigue, and there was no discomfort in the right hypochondrium. Further studies with the patients with acute and chronic forms of viral hepatitis B and C, wherein patients were followed up for 6 months after the treatment, were carried out by the same authors (19,21). Fifty (50) patients with chronic viral hepatitis B and C and 15 patients with acute viral hepatitis B received TF, one capsule 3 times daily for 14 days. The resulting data were comparable to those obtained in patients receiving conventional treatment with interferons. Twenty four (24) patients with acute hepatitis B and 34 patients with chronic hepatitis C (CVHC) received TF PLUS, 1 capsule 3 times daily for 14 days. The control group, 15 CVHC patients, received 3,000,000 IU of reaferon (an antiviral IFN) intramuscularly 3 times a week. The remaining patients received basic therapy aimed at improving bile secretion (holosas or hophitol) and liver function (riboxin per os). Identical immunocorrecting effects were registered in the patient group receiving TF PLUS for 2 weeks and in the patients, receiving IFN therapy for 3 months. In the patients receiving TF PLUS there were earlier symptom dynamics that were positive. TF PLUS was well tolerated and there were no side effects as compared with fever, joint pain and asthenia during interferon therapy. It is worth pointing out that the incidence of viral remission in the groups receiving reaferon and TF Plus was the same, i.e. 65%. At the same time the level of g-interferons production was significantly higher in the patients receiving TF Plus. The effectiveness of TF and TF PLUS in the treatment of viral hepatitis B and C may be of great help in considering the use of TF products as the alternative treatment to recombinant interferons or as an addition to the conventional therapies for viral hepatitis. The data obtained indicates further studies of the effectiveness of TF products should be conducted in additional patients in order to develop the most effective schemes of complex treatment, pharmacologically effectiveness, the dose courses and the economics. See `What is Transfer Factor and where can I get it?' to read more information about TF and to find out how to order it. --------------------------------- Stay in the know. Pulse on the new .com. Check it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2007 Report Share Posted June 22, 2007 > > Bee whats your oponion on tranfer factor heres the website > www.transferfactor.com ==>It would be better if you could refer me to the ingredients in a specific product you want me to check out. I had to search and search to find them. I checked out one product and they use egg yolk and colostrum (which is the first milky fluid that is produced right after giving birth, in this case it is from cows), but it also contains a lot of sugar so I wouldn't recommend it. You'd be better off eating eggs the way I recommend them, particularly in Bee's Raw Egg Drink. My program provides plenty of immune boosters so you wouldn't need to take anything else. In future if you are thinking of taking a specific product please provide the label ingredients so I can evaluate it better. Thanks. IMO their claims are marketing ploys. You cannot improve your immune system without providing all of the nutrients your body requires in order to heal. Bee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 hello. I'm new in the group, I am doing the review process to my 3 years old son, I foud this article, I want to have your opinion about it, for me, everithing is new , so I would like to have the opinon of you who have a lot of experience in the process of recovering your kids. Thank you so much http://www.notmilk.com/forum/773.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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