Guest guest Posted July 10, 2000 Report Share Posted July 10, 2000 Thanks. But if transfer factor is specific to a certain virus, how come when you go to buy it (immunitytoday.com) it mentions 10 different viruses but you don't choose which one you have? It's the same product for all 10. Cindi luke@... 07/07/00 07:33 PM Please respond to egroups cc: Subject: Re: Transfer Factor > I'm confused. I was told by my doctor that Transfer Factor for HHV6 was > $270 per month. Now I'm hearing $50 per month. Are we talking about the > same thing? > > Cindi > Nope, not the same thing. The product for $50/mo is best understood as a general immune stimulant. It is targeted at the mass market, not necessarily at people with specific immune problems or infections. The product at $270 is called a targeted or antigen specific transfer factor. It provides your immune system with specific information on how to attack a pathogen that I assume you have tested positive for. If you can't afford the HHV6 targeted TF, the cheaper brand is better than nothing, as it has been show to stimulate the activity of NK cells. Nk cells are our primary way of fighting viral infections. At least some people are reporting dramatic improvement using the antigen specific TF, whereas there is no information I know of yet regarding the 4Life brand with CFS. TF is generally a long term therapy, so it gets expensive after a while. Immupro is supposed to produce the same result with HHV6 IF you can tolerate a high enough dose. Luke ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Old school buds here: 1/5536/5/_/531724/_/963023617/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2000 Report Share Posted July 10, 2000 In a message dated 7/10/00 7:13:53 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jfloyd123@... writes: << The product I am using is from Chisolm Labs. They do have several different types, one a polyvalent that covers a broad spectrum of antigens and three others for Immune Maintenance (Herpes 1 & 2, EBV, CMV, HHV6, HIV1, Candida, TB), CF (EBV, HHV6, Candida, Mycoplasma, Chlamydia, Cell Wall Deficiency, Lyme), and HP (Hepatitis A, B, and C). I buy this from Dynamune Labs at www. dynamune.com. I'm using the broad spectrum product for $25/month until I get the results of my Lyme and other tests. Best, Jennie F. >> Hi Jennie, which one are you using from Chisolm Labs? I was thinking of ordering there candida one and the immunfactor #2 for cfs. Are you noticing any improvement? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2000 Report Share Posted July 10, 2000 Cindi, Because the Transfer Factor is specific to EACH of the 10. There is no theoretical limit to how many " specifities " can be in any particular TF. All TF contains specific info against a huge number of bugs. With the generic TF products, the problem is we don't know WHICH bugs it is active against. With the specific TFs we know that they are active against AT LEAST the listed bugs; they will also be active against an unknown number of other bugs. Hope this helps, n At 10:29 11/07/00, you wrote: >Thanks. But if transfer factor is specific to a certain virus, how come >when you go to buy it (immunitytoday.com) it mentions 10 different viruses >but you don't choose which one you have? It's the same product for all >10. > >Cindi n Tel/Fax +61-2-6239 6226 Canberra, Australia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2000 Report Share Posted July 10, 2000 Hi all - The product I am using is from Chisolm Labs. They do have several different types, one a polyvalent that covers a broad spectrum of antigens and three others for Immune Maintenance (Herpes 1 & 2, EBV, CMV, HHV6, HIV1, Candida, TB), CF (EBV, HHV6, Candida, Mycoplasma, Chlamydia, Cell Wall Deficiency, Lyme), and HP (Hepatitis A, B, and C). I buy this from Dynamune Labs at www. dynamune.com. I'm using the broad spectrum product for $25/month until I get the results of my Lyme and other tests. Best, Jennie F. --- canderson@... wrote: > Thanks. But if transfer factor is specific to a > certain virus, how come > when you go to buy it (immunitytoday.com) it > mentions 10 different viruses > but you don't choose which one you have? It's the > same product for all > 10. > > Cindi > > > > > > luke@... > 07/07/00 07:33 PM > Please respond to > > > egroups > cc: > Subject: Re: > Transfer Factor > > > > I'm confused. I was told by my doctor that > Transfer Factor for > HHV6 > was > > $270 per month. Now I'm hearing $50 per month. > Are we talking > about the > > same thing? > > > > Cindi > > > Nope, not the same thing. The product for $50/mo is > best understood > as a general immune stimulant. It is targeted at > the mass market, > not > necessarily at people with specific immune problems > or infections. > The product at $270 is called a targeted or antigen > specific transfer > factor. It provides your immune system with > specific information on > how to attack a pathogen that I assume you have > tested positive for. > > If you can't afford the HHV6 targeted TF, the > cheaper brand is better > than nothing, as it has been show to stimulate the > activity of NK > cells. Nk cells are our primary way of fighting > viral infections. > At > least some people are reporting dramatic improvement > using the > antigen > specific TF, whereas there is no information I know > of yet regarding > the 4Life brand with CFS. > > TF is generally a long term therapy, so it gets > expensive after a > while. Immupro is supposed to produce the same > result with HHV6 IF > you can tolerate a high enough dose. > > Luke > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Old school buds here: > 1/5536/5/_/531724/_/963023617/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > This list is intended for patients to share personal > experiences with each > other, not to give medical advice. If you are > interested in any treatment > discussed here, please consult your doctor. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2000 Report Share Posted July 11, 2000 To All: Immunity Today's TF Formula 560 is antigen-specific ONLY to two Herpes viruses: HHV-6 and CMV. NO OTHERS. The other viruses are simply listed at their Website, probably to confuse the FDA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2000 Report Share Posted July 11, 2000 Ah, so they have " infected " the cows with ALL these viruses. Yes, that helps. Thanks. Cindi n <jrobinso@...> 07/10/00 06:33 PM Please respond to egroups cc: Subject: Re: Re: Transfer Factor Cindi, Because the Transfer Factor is specific to EACH of the 10. There is no theoretical limit to how many " specifities " can be in any particular TF. All TF contains specific info against a huge number of bugs. With the generic TF products, the problem is we don't know WHICH bugs it is active against. With the specific TFs we know that they are active against AT LEAST the listed bugs; they will also be active against an unknown number of other bugs. Hope this helps, n At 10:29 11/07/00, you wrote: >Thanks. But if transfer factor is specific to a certain virus, how come >when you go to buy it (immunitytoday.com) it mentions 10 different viruses >but you don't choose which one you have? It's the same product for all >10. > >Cindi n Tel/Fax +61-2-6239 6226 Canberra, Australia ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To email plain text is conventional, to add graphics is devine. We'll show you how at www.supersig.com. 1/6811/5/_/531724/_/963282812/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2000 Report Share Posted July 13, 2000 I have been lurking for awhile but today I felt a need to reply to a couple of messages. So hello to all. I'm enjoying this group and I am learning alot. But I am very confused about somethig. Could someone explain simply the use of Transfor Factors? There are so many talked about. How would I decide which to us and where would I go for these? I am sorry I have been in brain fog very badly lately. Thanks for the help. Cheryl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2000 Report Share Posted July 13, 2000 Cheryl, Here is some detailed information on Transfer Factor. There are several companies which distribute TF. I am associated with 4Life Research, which as regular TF and Transfer Factor Plus, which contains both antigen specific and non specific transfer factors. There are also companies who distribute transfer factors which may be " specific " to a particular pathogen. Let me know if you need any more info. What is Transfer Factor™? Transfer Factor™ is an all natural substance that works by " teaching " your own immune system to identify infectious agents that attack your body every day (bacteria, viruses, fungus, and parasites, and malignancies) How does Transfer Factor™ work? Transfer Factor™ provides " immune data " collected from the mother’s own immune system and then passed on to her baby. The mother transfers valuable immunity information to be used by the new life in staving off infection and disease. These powerful immunity agents have been identified and are called transfer factors. To keep your body healthy, your immune system must do three very important things each time your body comes in contact with a pathogen: First it must first recognize the pathogen as a threat to the body; second, it must then attack and kill off the threat; and third, it must remember that pathogen so that your body can rid itself quickly of it the next time it is attacked. It is the identification process of the immune system that is so critical.If your body can identify a pathogen quickly, it can mount a response against it quickly, thus keeping substances that provide this information. By transferring information from cell to cell, transfer factors serve as " teachers " of new cells, thereby ensuring a stronger immune system capable of withstanding our often harsh environment.* Transfer Factor Plus - The Next Generation Transfer Factor Plus is a scientifically advanced immune system support that combines the power of Transfer Factor XF (4Life's proprietary transfer factor extract) with new components developed through research studies. These are listed below. ThyRX™ is 4Life™'s proprietary thymus complex which contains thymic factors to support the immune T-cells. Cordyvant™ is a proprietary blend of glyconutrients (IP6, Cordyceps, Maitake, and Shiitake mushrooms, Beta Glucans and Aloe) that enhance the innate immune system, our first line of defense in the war against invading pathogens. Glyconutrients also activate B-cells (another component of the immune system) to produce antibodies without the help of T-cells. Ron Santoro http://home.earthlink.net/~rsfriar/index.html -------------------------- saturn3@... wrote: I have been lurking for awhile but today I felt a need to reply to a couple of messages. So hello to all. I'm enjoying this group and I am learning alot. But I am very confused about somethig. Could someone explain simply the use of Transfor Factors? There are so many talked about. How would I decide which to us and where would I go for these? I am sorry I have been in brain fog very badly lately. Thanks for the help. Cheryl --------------------------------- --------------------------------- This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor. --------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2000 Report Share Posted July 13, 2000 hi cheryl! glad to see you! this is another explanation for the transfer factor - this was posted by sean on this list in early april, i think. the transfer factor being used in a trial is Formula 560, 3 capsules a day, http://www.immunitytoday.com. it's expensive - if you can buy 9 bottles at a time (you need 3 a month for one person - put the rest in your freezer), you get a $10 discount per bottle - it'll run you 239.85 a month (plus s & h). if you can't, it'll run you 269.85 a month (plus s & h). -------------------------- Transfer factor is in fact not an antibody but it is a messenger molecule that is sent between lymphocytes and educates the receiving lymphocyte on how to deal with a particular pathogen. It 'transfers' immunity from one cell to another, consequently its name. Transfer factor is antigen specific, so if you are taking transfer factor for HHV-6, the lymphocytes in your body are being trained to destroy HHV-6. It will have little or no effect on any other pathogen is in the body. I don't think that antigen specific transfer factor would be a problem with lupus as it is not a general immune stimulant, but rather a very specific one. Colostrum is very rich in transfer factor as this is one of the ways the mother passes on her immunity to her infant, which has an immature and uneducated immune system. Interestingly, there are both activator and suppressor transfer factors. So in fact you can theoretically use a suppressor transfer factor to suppress the immune response to certain allergens etc. (I think it has been done in a few studies). Transfer factor has the potential to help autoimmune diseases as if the appropriate suppressor transfer factor could be found, it could be used to help suppress the errant part of the immune system. Best regards, ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ " Would they have found nothing, unless nothing was what they wanted to find? " - Agent Dales, X-Files @}{~{<<~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ @}{~{<<~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ debbie s. - dlsherman@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2000 Report Share Posted July 13, 2000 As an FYI, just got off the phone with Dave Berg (Hemex)- in passing he mentioned that Immunity Today's Transfer Factor is the one that appears to be showing the best results ... There are so many talked about. How would I > decide which to us and where would I go for these? > Cheryl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2000 Report Share Posted July 27, 2000 I am very behind in my email but wanted to thank you for the info on transfor factor. I cannot afford to buy anything at this time. In fact, crcumstances have left me looking at being homeless on Monday unless I truly get a miracle. I'm no sure where my strength is coming from. Well yes I do. I just find itdifficult to think the Lord is keeping me moving to pack and look for some room to afford and yet thigs are not pulling through for me. Any prayers would be much appreciated. I haven't even received one call from parents or family to see if I am still alive. I am grateful for all of you for being there. I pray I can manage to keep this going. Thanks Cheryl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2000 Report Share Posted August 6, 2000 In a message dated 8/6/00 4:10:14 PM Pacific Daylight Time, melillo3@... writes: << " Should you be taking Transfer Factor ? " The ending paragraph says " The initial study on Immunity Todays TF was a clinical trial funded by the company which infers bias. To find out whether this is worth pursuing for those who can't easily pay for the product, the National CFIDS Foundation has funded a small pilot study of just a handful of patients who have either ME/CFIDS or GWI. >> So are they just started this study or are the results in already? Thank you, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2000 Report Share Posted August 7, 2000 Thanks a lot Jennie, I was going to ask if anyone felt any practicle benefits taking Transfer Factor. What is in the TF i.e is it for Mycoplasma or is it a general purpose one for people with immune disfunctions? Thanks Adam > , yes, its #2, and my doctor advised me to up it > to 3 per day. I gradually increased the dosage over a > week and am starting to notice a difference in my > energy level already. > > Hope it helps - Jennie > --- lbinujrsy@... wrote: > > In a message dated 8/6/00 5:38:16 PM Pacific > > Daylight Time, > > jfloyd123@... writes: > > > > > > Are you talking about the Chisolm TF? I take that > > one as well. I think its > > transfer factor #2, right? How much did you > > increase it to? The bottle says > > to take one a day, do you take more then this? > > Thanks, > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2000 Report Share Posted September 9, 2000 I have been on 560 since April or so. I think I'm a little better as a result. The die-off has been pretty severe. The best, most visible result has been that since I started on it, I immediately stopped having chest pain. My chest pain was always mild, but I think it may have been the result of a virus attacking cardiac tissue - pretty scary. I have confirmed CMV, which 560 is active against. I haven't had the HHV6 test yet - I came back negative from Immunosciences Lab, but apparently the only good test is from Viracor. Transfer Factor Hi All, Can any of you give me your thoughts or experience about a product called Transfer Factor and whether it would be useful for bacterial or viral infections (Mycoplasma, CMV, HHV-6, etc.). Also, I have read about Formula 560, which is much more expensive then Transfer Factor. Any thoughts on it also or anybody who has used either of these products? Thank You! _________________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2000 Report Share Posted September 9, 2000 Lucy, my whole family has been using 4Life's Transfer Factor for over a year now with excellent results. I got rid of bad fungal infection, my brother has been helped with his asthma problem, and my mother has found relief from Fibro(with the help of additional nutritionals) Ron Santoro http://gift4life.homestead.com/ > > Transfer Factor > > Hi All, > > Can any of you give me your thoughts or experience about a product > called > Transfer Factor and whether it would be useful for bacterial or > viral > infections (Mycoplasma, CMV, HHV-6, etc.). Also, I have read about > Formula > 560, which is much more expensive then Transfer Factor. Any > thoughts on it > also or anybody who has used either of these products? Thank You! > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2000 Report Share Posted September 9, 2000 hi lucy! i've had two teenagers on the 560 since feb 9, i've been on it since mar 18, and i've had a cat on it since sometime in april. i've been doing periodic updates, and we're probably overdue for one now. if you go to the experimental list archives and do a search on transfer factor, they should turn up........ <<< have read about Formula 560, which is much more expensive then Transfer Factor. Any thoughts on it also or anybody who has used either of these products? >>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ " Would they have found nothing, unless nothing was what they wanted to find? " - Agent Dales, X-Files @}{~{<<~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ @}{~{<<~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ debbie s. - dlsherman@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2000 Report Share Posted September 10, 2000 Thanks for sharing your experiences Ron. Could you let us know where you get your TF from and how much you buy it for and how long it lasts before you have to buy more? TF seems a really good treatment but the stuff I have been looking at is really pricey. Adam > Lucy, > > my whole family has been using 4Life's Transfer Factor for over a > year now with excellent results. I got rid of bad fungal infection, > my brother has been helped with his asthma problem, and my mother has > found relief from Fibro(with the help of additional nutritionals) > > Ron Santoro > http://gift4life.homestead.com/ > > > > > > > Transfer Factor > > > > Hi All, > > > > Can any of you give me your thoughts or experience about a product > > called > > Transfer Factor and whether it would be useful for bacterial or > > viral > > infections (Mycoplasma, CMV, HHV-6, etc.). Also, I have read about > > Formula > > 560, which is much more expensive then Transfer Factor. Any > > thoughts on it > > also or anybody who has used either of these products? Thank You! > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2000 Report Share Posted September 11, 2000 Thanks , Ron, and Debbie concerning your experience with Transfer Factor and Formula 560. I am currently taking Nutricillin which has 4 ingredients in it: Lysozyme, 60,000unit Colostrum, 150 mg Lactoferrin, 60 mg Olive Leaf Extract, 50 mg I will stick with that until I get my blood tests back sometime in the next couple of weeks and see what direction to go. Just looking ahead somewhat and trying to get information. Lucy _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2000 Report Share Posted September 13, 2000 I just started on " Transfer Factor Plus " by 4-Life. I'm taking 9/day. My dentist suggested it and my doctor checked it with EAV. It's the only brand that has tested beneficial for me thus far. I've tested different Chisolm strains and some from Annimune. Phil Lucy Lake wrote:--------------------------------------------------------------------> > > Hi All, > > Can any of you give me your thoughts or experience about a product called > Transfer Factor and whether it would be useful for bacterial or viral > infections (Mycoplasma, CMV, HHV-6, etc.). Also, I have read about Formula > 560, which is much more expensive then Transfer Factor. Any thoughts on it > also or anybody who has used either of these products? Thank You! > > _____________________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2000 Report Share Posted September 13, 2000 I just started on " Transfer Factor Plus " by 4-Life. I'm taking 9/day. My dentist suggested it and my doctor checked it with EAV. It's the only brand that has tested beneficial for me thus far. I've tested different Chisolm strains and some from Annimune. Phil Lucy Lake wrote:--------------------------------------------------------------------> > > Hi All, > > Can any of you give me your thoughts or experience about a product called > Transfer Factor and whether it would be useful for bacterial or viral > infections (Mycoplasma, CMV, HHV-6, etc.). Also, I have read about Formula > 560, which is much more expensive then Transfer Factor. Any thoughts on it > also or anybody who has used either of these products? Thank You! > > _______________________________________X-Mozilla-Status: 0009 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2000 Report Share Posted November 18, 2000 From: " Jana Flaherty " <jana138@...> Date sent: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 12:29:35 -0700 Send reply to: cures for canceregroups Subject: Transfer Factor > Cliff: this is the independent study that Dr.Darryl See, from the Immune In= > stitute and the Division of Longevity and Medicine conducted. Notice where = > some of the nutritional products are that many have a lot of faith in. But= > then look where transfer factor and transfer factor plus are a 103% and 24= > 8% increase in NK cell activity. This link will give you all the info. > http://www.transferfactor.com/study.html Hi, I've got nothing against Transfer Factor (I dont sell it), I would just like to see it made from New Zealand Cows. The studies on Transfer Factor look interesting. moonbeam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2000 Report Share Posted December 16, 2000 You get it from immunitytoday.com. It's called Formula 560 and it's very expensive, about $190 month if you buy in volume. Just recently ordered it so I don't know how effective it is yet. Chisolm has a TF specifically for CFS but I haven't had any feedback on it. I have had positive feedback on the 560. Steve B. Transfer Factor > I am interested in trying TF. Can anyone guide me in the right > directionas far as where they get theirs from and how they have done > on it? hank you, a > > > > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2000 Report Share Posted December 17, 2000 Hello - I've taken the one from Dynamune for Lyme and Herpes (I think it's their formula #2). It runs about $85 for 30 capsules and the recommended dose is 3 per day. I noticed a big reaction at first - got cold sores and increased pain, then nothing after about a week. I took it for four months and have recently stopped - this seems to be the recommended dosage period. Good luck - Jennie --- a <StarDantzer@...> wrote: > I am interested in trying TF. Can anyone guide me in > the right > directionas far as where they get theirs from and > how they have done > on it? hank you, a > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2001 Report Share Posted April 6, 2001 In a message dated 4/6/01 5:22:45 AM, tlizzy@... writes: << These are the ingredients in the TF Plus, right? My understanding is that this isn't recommended for anyone w/autoimmune disorders - those folks are suggested to use just the Transfer Factor (vs the TF Plus). >> This is true but lyme is not an auto-immune disorder. 'sue in nj' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2001 Report Share Posted April 6, 2001 >It is about $50/bottle BUT you only take 2 every morning. The other cos. are >about $50 but they advise taking up to 6/day. Actually, some docs treating Lyme (and some patients) swear by dose adjustment of this product - ie, working the dose upwards slowly (9 is the highest I've heard about, so far), and then eventually back down again, to a maintenance dose. (I'm also a distributor.) >What's in these pills? 3 things, Transfer >Factor XF--Mother Nature's design to help teach our immune systems how to >respond to microbial threats. Cordyvant--a proprietary blend of standarized >glyconutrients (IP-6 **newest anti-cancer**, Cordyceps, Maitake and Shiitake >mushrooms, Beta Glucans, and Aloe vera extract) that enhance the innate >immune system. Thyrex-- proprietary thymus ingredient, These are the ingredients in the TF Plus, right? My understanding is that this isn't recommended for anyone w/autoimmune disorders - those folks are suggested to use just the Transfer Factor (vs the TF Plus). Aloe vera increases tumor necrosis factor (which supposedly is already increased w/Lyme) - this increase is not a good thing.... Sue " The greatest part of our happiness and misery depends on our dispositions and not on our circumstances. " Martha Washington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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